📄 Sidebar — Tuesday, September 12, 1995
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Date: Tuesday, September 12, 1995 • Utterances: 37
A brief sidebar to clarify the status of glove expert Richard Rubin's testimony. The court and both sides agreed Rubin could be released for the day but remained subject to recall pending the prosecution's review of an NBC videotape from an Indianapolis Colts game, which may contain relevant footage. The conference also briefly touched on a pending ruling regarding witness Sims.
1 THE COURT:

Well, let me see counsel over at sidebar with the court reporter, please.

2 (The following proceedings were held at the bench:)
3 THE COURT:

We're over at the sidebar. Mr. Darden, my recollection is that the NBC tape you still haven't seen from which game was it? The Bengals game?

4 MR. DARDEN:

Indianapolis Colts.

5 THE COURT:

Guidera videotape. Are you planning on recalling Rubin after you see that tape?

6 MR. DARDEN:

In all honesty, no.

7 THE COURT:

Is that it?

8 MR. DARDEN:

That's it unless I see something in the Indianapolis Colts game that I find so persuasive that I would want to bring him out.

9 THE COURT:

This is logically the end of glove 2?

KEY QUOTE
10 MR. DARDEN:

Yes.

11 MS. CLARK:

Well--

12 MR. COCHRAN:

Except he wanted to reserve excusing him.

13 THE COURT:

I understand.

14 MR. BLASIER:

If they--

15 THE COURT:

But our difficulty being, I didn't know if the Prosecution was going to offer anything more with the new videotapes.

16 MS. CLARK:

Let me make it clear.

17 MR. COCHRAN:

One person, Judge.

18 THE COURT:

I'm sorry.

19 MR. DARDEN:

Let me make it clear.

20 MR. COCHRAN:

Sounds just like her.

KEY QUOTE
21 MR. DARDEN:

You know, we're concerned about--my concern is this. If the Indianapolis Colts tape shows to be a necessary tape, if I come in and lay a foundation for NBC to play it, then I'm going to want to play it. My only concern is this. We might need Rubin back for foundational reasons. But I don't expect that that's going to be a problem. Could be. So I don't want to give the impression that there's no way we are going to call him back.

22 THE COURT:

Let me ask you this, Mr. Blasier. As to what's been presented so far, do you feel you've completed cross-examination?

23 MR. BLASIER:

If they're not going to present the video, he's subject to recall, but we're not going to bring him back.

24 MR. DARDEN:

I haven't said whether I'm going to put it on or not. I haven't seen it.

25 THE COURT:

I understand. So both sides understand, Mr. Rubin may still be recalled if something turns up on the Indianapolis Colts video. Okay. I just wanted to make it clear that since we don't have the tape, we are not going to talk to Rubin about it today, I am going to let the guy go. But I'm sure if we pick up the phone and call him, tell him to come back, he'll come back.

26 MS. CLARK:

Let me ask you for guidance on this. If we get the tape and want to show it, I believe we'll get it with a 1560 affidavit. I'd like to save time and just show the tape without having to recall Rubin.

27 THE COURT:

Well, it depends.

28 MR. DARDEN:

That's what I said.

29 MR. COCHRAN:

How can we answer that? I'm not answering nothing until I see the tape.

30 MS. CLARK:

I understand. I'm telling the court where I am going with this.

31 THE COURT:

I'm just seeing where we are at this point. There's a possibility one side or the other may want to call Rubin in light of what the tape shows. That's so we're all clear.

32 MR. COCHRAN:

Where do we go from here so we know on Sims? Did we get a ruling on that?

33 THE COURT:

I'm about to. I said I'll get to it when I get to look at the stuff.

34 MR. COCHRAN:

They're leaving at 4:00 anyway.

35 THE COURT:

I think I'm going to kick them loose at this point.

36 MR. COCHRAN:

We have some other motions to talk about.

37 THE COURT:

All right.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Christopher Darden
In all honesty, no.
Darden candidly admits he does not plan to recall Rubin, signaling the glove phase of testimony is essentially over barring something unexpected on the Colts tape.
Johnnie Cochran
Sounds just like her.
A rare moment of courtroom banter — Cochran quips when Darden echoes Clark's exact words, briefly lightening the mood.
Lance A. Ito
This is logically the end of glove 2?
Ito's framing confirms the trial was organized into discrete evidentiary phases, with 'glove 2' as a recognizable unit.

Evidence (2)

Informal
NBC videotape of an Indianapolis Colts game, potentially showing O.J. Simpson wearing gloves
discussed — prosecution has not yet viewed it; Rubin's recall contingent on its contents
Informal
Bengals game tape (Guidera videotape), referenced by Ito in confusion with the Colts tape
mentioned in passing

Notable Exchanges (2)

Marcia ClarkLance A. ItoJohnnie Cochran
Clark asks for guidance on whether she can introduce the Colts tape via a 1560 affidavit without recalling Rubin; Cochran refuses to commit to any position until he sees the tape; Ito declines to rule.
strategic
Lance A. ItoChristopher Darden
Judge confirms the prosecution's intent, releases Rubin, and notes he can be recalled by phone if needed.
routine

Light Moments (1)

Johnnie Cochran
When Darden echoed Clark's exact phrase 'Let me make it clear,' Cochran quipped 'Sounds just like her.'

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 7614 • 37 utterances
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