DETECTIVE LANGE, YOU WERE SPEAKING YESTERDAY YOUR REASONS AS TO WHY IN YOUR OPINION BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THESE TO BE DRUG RELATED MURDERS. YOU RECALL THAT?
IN THAT REGARD, SIR, YOU INDICATED -- DO YOU RECALL INDICATING TO MR. COCHRAN THAT THERE WERE SUPERFICIAL INQUIRIES MADE CONCERNING THE TOPIC OF WHETHER OR NOT DRUGS WERE INVOLVED IN THESE MURDERS? DO YOU RECALL THAT?
CHECKING THE LOCATION FOR DRUG DEBRIS OR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, FOR WEAPONS PERHAPS, FOR ANY -- ANYTHING THAT WOULD INDICATE NARCOTICS ACTIVITY ON THE PART OF THE VICTIM OR THE SUSPECTS.
DID YOU FIND ANY WRITINGS IN THE WAY OF PAY AND OWE SHEETS CONCERNING MONIES TO BE PAID FOR A KILO OF THIS OR A GRAM OF THAT?
WAS ANY MATERIAL LIKE THAT EVER FOUND IN THE APARTMENT -- THE CONDOMINIUM THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU LATER?
BY MS. CLARK: WAS THE EVIDENCE -- WAS THE APARTMENT -- FINDINGS MADE IN THE APARTMENT OF RON GOLDMAN MADE KNOWN TO YOU, SIR?
BY MS. CLARK: WAS ANY EVIDENCE -- WAS -- WERE ANY DRUGS OR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA SEIZED FROM MR. GOLDMAN'S APARTMENT, SIR?
ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS -- THIS INFORMATION IS LIMITED ONLY TO THE STATE OF MIND OF THIS DETECTIVE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. IT'S HIS STATE OF MIND.
DID THEY TURN OVER TO YOU ANY EVIDENCE OF DRUGS OR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA FOUND IN MR. GOLDMAN'S APARTMENT?
WERE THERE ANY SCALES OR CUTTING AGENTS OR DEBRIS ASSOCIATED WITH DRUG USAGE OR DRUG SALES FOUND IN MR. GOLDMAN'S APARTMENT?
AND IS THAT -- DID YOU COMPLETE YOUR ANSWER WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU MEANT BY SUPERFICIAL INQUIRY? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT?
NOW, WITH RESPECT TO -- YOU ALSO ALLUDED TO YESTERDAY THE MANNER OF KILLING AS ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU FELT THESE WERE NOT DRUG-RELATED MURDERS. DO YOU RECALL THAT, SIR?
BY MS. CLARK: YOU REFERRED TO, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S USUALLY FIREARMS, GUNS THAT ARE USED IN DRUG-RELATED MURDERS?
WAS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE WOUNDS THAT YOU OBSERVED EITHER AT THE CRIME SCENE AND IN THE COURSE OF THE AUTOPSY THAT CAUSED YOU TO CONCLUDE THAT THESE WERE NOT DRUG-RELATED MURDERS?
AGAIN, IN MY MIND, IT APPEARED TO BE MOTIVATED BY RAGE AND NOT NARCOTICS RELATED.
NORMALLY A GUNSHOT WOUND. THE MURDERS THAT I'VE HANDLED, NORMALLY BY GUNSHOT WOUNDS AS OPPOSED TO EXCESSIVE SLASHING, STABBING OF THE VICTIM.
KEY QUOTEALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT ON CROSS-EXAMINATION ALSO, YOU DISCUSSED WITH MR. COCHRAN THE POSSIBLE ORDER OF DEATH, WHETHER NICOLE WAS KILLED FIRST, WHETHER RON GOLDMAN WAS KILLED FIRST. DO YOU RECALL THAT?
YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK LEAVE OF THE COURT TO REOPEN DIRECT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THE JURY A VIDEOTAPE.
ALL RIGHT. PROCEED. LET ME JUST INSTRUCT THE JURY WHAT THAT MEANS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, REOPENING DIRECT MEANS THAT THE PROSECUTION IS GOING TO GO INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT PRESENT PREVIOUSLY IN THEIR FIRST EXAMINATION OF MR. LANGE, DETECTIVE LANGE, AND I'VE ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT RATHER THAN TO RECALL THE WITNESS AT A LATER TIME SINCE HE'S HERE. MISS CLARK.
BY MS. CLARK: SIR, I'M SHOWING YOU A PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 57. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE LOCATION SHOWN THERE?
I'M GOING TO PUT THAT UP ON THE ELMO OR LET ME ALSO SHOW YOU DEFENSE 1011. CAN YOU TELL US, DOES THAT APPEAR TO BE A COPY OF THE SAME PHOTOGRAPH BUT WITH THE LOGO AMERICAN JOURNAL BLOCKED OUT?
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT, SIR. NOW, CAN YOU TELL US AT WHAT TIME THE CRIME SCENE IN THIS CASE AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY WAS BROKEN DOWN?
BY MS. CLARK: NOW, AFTER THE CRIME SCENE TAPE IS TAKEN DOWN, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
THAT THE CRIME SCENE IN EFFECT HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN AND THAT THE INVESTIGATORS AND THE OFFICERS INVOLVED ARE LEAVING AT THAT TIME.
OKAY. AND DOES THAT THEN PERMIT PEOPLE TO WALK INSIDE WHERE THE CRIME SCENE -- THE AREA WHERE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY BLOCKING OFF?
IS THERE ANYTHING IMPROPER AT THAT TIME FOR POLICE OFFICERS THEN TO WALK INSIDE THE AREA THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN BLOCKED OFF BY THE CRIME SCENE TAPE?
CAN YOU TELL BY LOOKING AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR, WHETHER THE CRIME SCENE TAPE HAS BEEN REMOVED OR NOT?
DID YOU SEE AN OFFICER STROLL UP THE WALKWAY IN THE MANNER SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH DURING THE TIME THE CRIME SCENE TAPE WAS STILL UP --
THAT'S THE OFFICERS REMOVING THE CRIME SCENE TAPE AND THE SCENE IS APPARENTLY BEING BROKEN DOWN.
BY MS. CLARK: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION -- THE STATUS OF THE CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION IN THIS AREA?
BY MS. CLARK: I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU AGAIN PEOPLE'S -- OOPS -- PEOPLE'S 57 AND THE DEFENSE 1011 AND ASK YOU IF THESE APPEAR TO BE A STILL FRAME TAKEN FROM THE VIDEO WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT THAT'S BEEN MARKED PEOPLE'S 101.
MAY I ASK PERMISSION OF THE COURT TO LET THE JURY -- TO PASS THESE PICTURES TO THE JURY WHILE THIS IS STILL ON THE SCREEN?
DEPUTY RUSSELL, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER CELLULAR PHONE GOING OFF IN THE AUDIENCE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I THINK THE COURT'S ORDER IS QUITE CLEAR. ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICES ARE TO BE TURNED OFF IN THE COURTROOM.
ALL RIGHT. THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THAT EACH OF THE JURORS HAS TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPARE PEOPLE'S 57 AND DEFENSE 1011 WITH THE STILL FRAME VIDEO THAT IS NOW ON THE SCREEN. MISS CLARK, I WOULD SUGGEST WE PRINT THIS OUT.
BY MS. CLARK: THEN AT THE TIME THAT THESE -- THAT YOU SEE THE OFFICER ON THE WALKWAY AS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND IN THE VIDEO FROM WHICH THE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE TAKEN, THE CRIME SCENE TAPE, IS IT UP OR DOWN?
AND DOES THAT -- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER IT WAS APPROPRIATE OR NOT FOR THE OFFICER TO BE ON THAT WALKWAY WALKING IN THE MANNER YOU SEE HIM ON THE VIDEO AND ON THAT STILL?
CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, IN THE COURSE OF YOUR INVESTIGATION IN THIS CASE, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY WITNESSES HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED?
I'M AWARE OF I BELIEVE A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FORMAL INTERVIEWS THAT ARE WRITTEN. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER INTERVIEWS THAT ARE TAPED. THERE'S AN EXCESS OF 440 CLUES I BELIEVE WITH NUMEROUS INTERVIEWS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE.
KEY QUOTEWE -- WE GET CLUES IN ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS AND IT'S AN ON-GOING PROCESS, BUT THEY ARE ALL BEING FOLLOWED UP OR HAVE BEEN.
BY MS. CLARK: AND HAS THE INVESTIGATION OF THIS CASE -- HAS THE INVESTIGATION OF THIS CASE STOPPED, SIR?
IN MOST OF MY CASES, WE GET INFORMATION ALL THE TIME FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES. CERTAINLY IN THIS CASE, DUE TO THE GREAT AMOUNT OF PUBLICITY, WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION ON A DAILY BASIS AND ATTEMPTING TO FOLLOW UP ON ALL OF IT.
UH-HUH. WELL, SIR, BUT IN YOUR OTHER CASES, DOES -- HAS YOUR INVESTIGATION STOPPED AT THE MOMENT OF TRIAL?
BY MS. CLARK: FOR HOW LONG DOES YOUR INVESTIGATION CONTINUE IN YOUR OTHER CASES, NOT JUST THIS ONE?
AND YOU CONTINUE TO FOLLOW UP ALL LEADS IN ALL CASES THAT YOU -- THAT YOU INVESTIGATE, THAT YOU HANDLE?
YOUR HONOR, I HAVE HERE THE -- THE PRINTOUT STILL FROM THE VIDEO TAPE MARKED PEOPLE'S 101, ASK THAT THIS BE 101-A.
BY MS. CLARK: IN THAT RESPECT, SIR, IS THIS CASE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER CASES YOU'VE HANDLED?
THIS APPEARED TO ME TO BE AN OVERKILL OR RAGE KILLING.
NORMALLY A GUNSHOT WOUND. THE MURDERS THAT I'VE HANDLED, NORMALLY BY GUNSHOT WOUNDS AS OPPOSED TO EXCESSIVE SLASHING, STABBING OF THE VICTIM.
IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO DO THAT.
I'M AWARE OF I BELIEVE A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FORMAL INTERVIEWS THAT ARE WRITTEN. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER INTERVIEWS THAT ARE TAPED. THERE'S AN EXCESS OF 440 CLUES I BELIEVE WITH NUMEROUS INTERVIEWS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE.