Sergeant Rossi testified about his arrival at the Bundy crime scene around 1:30 AM on June 13, 1994, walking the perimeter with Officer Riske and confirming the scene was properly sealed. He described viewing the victims, observing bloody dog paw prints on the front walkway and along Bundy/Dorothy streets, spotting a black leather glove and dark knit cap near the bodies, and discovering bloody shoeprints in the rear walkway leading away from the victims toward the back gate. He also described the sequential arrival and scene tours of Detectives Phillips, Fuhrman, and Vannatter, and a post-scene call to Westec Security to locate OJ Simpson's Rockingham address.
# 1 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 2 MS. CLARK: THIS IS FROM P-40, YOUR HONOR.
# 3 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-40-A.
# 4 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 5 Q: ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT?
# 7 Q: AND DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE DOG SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 8 A: YES. THAT APPEARS TO BE THE DOG THAT WAS THERE WHEN I ARRIVED.
# 9 Q: AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY? HE WAS AT THE INTERSECTION?
# 11 Q: OF BUNDY AND DOROTHY?
# 12 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 14 A: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
# 15 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 16 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-51, YOUR HONOR.
# 17 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU SEE THAT, SIR?
# 19 Q: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS DEPICTED THERE?
# 20 A: YES. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY.
# 21 Q: AND DO YOU SEE THE YELLOW TAPE THAT GOES ACROSS I GUESS IS IT BUNDY, THAT IT IS GOING ACROSS THERE?
# 22 A: THAT'S CORRECT, GOING ACROSS BUNDY.
# 23 Q: AND IS THAT THE CRIME SCENE TAPE AS YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU CAME TO THE SCENE AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 A.M.?
# 25 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-46. YOUR HONOR, YOU SHOULD CUT THE FEED FOR THIS FILM.
# 26 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN THERE, SIR?
# 28 Q: AND IS THAT -- CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS?
# 29 A: THAT IS THE POLICE BANNER TAPE STRETCHING UP IN FRONT OF THE BUNDY LOCATION.
# 30 Q: OKAY. AND IS THAT HOW YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE AT 1:30 A.M.?
# 31 A: YES, THAT IS HOW IT WAS.
# 33 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-38, YOUR HONOR.
# 34 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 35 A: THAT APPEARS TO BE THE REAR OF THE CONDOMINIUM, THE ALLEYWAY.
# 36 Q: AND DO YOU SEE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
# 38 Q: BOTH IN THE FOREGROUND AND IN THE BACKGROUND THERE?
# 40 Q: AND CAN YOU TELL US IF THAT IS THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU SAW IT TAPED OFF WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT 1:30 A.M.?
# 41 A: YES, THAT IS HOW IT WAS.
# 42 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHEN YOU -- AFTER YOU MET WITH THE SERGEANT AND WITH OFFICER RISKE, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 43 A: AFTER I WAS CONVINCED THAT THE AREA WAS SEALED PROPERLY, I THEN ASKED THEM TO ESCORT ME UP TO THE LOCATION SO I COULD VIEW THE VICTIMS.
# 44 MS. CLARK: YES, YOUR HONOR, IF YOU COULD CUT THE FEED.
# 46 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-42, YOUR HONOR.
# 47 MS. CLARK: NO. BACK UP.
# 49 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THIS IS P-43-B, YOUR HONOR.
# 50 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN NOW, SIR?
# 51 A: YES, I DO. THAT APPEARS TO BE THE WALKWAY LEADING UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
# 52 Q: AND DOES IT APPEAR TO BE IN THE MANNER THAT YOU FOUND IT?
# 54 Q: AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 A.M.?
# 56 Q: HOW IS IT THAT YOU APPROACHED TO THE AREA OF THE MAILBOX?
# 57 A: THE AREA OF THE WHAT, MA'AM?
# 58 Q: THE MAILBOX IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, IF YOU CAN SEE? HOW DID YOU DO THAT?
# 59 A: I WALKED UP THE GRASSY PART OF THE FRONT JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE VICTIMS ARE AND JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THAT BOX IS.
# 61 A: I WALKED UP TO THE GATE.
# 62 Q: CAN YOU LOOK AT YOUR MONITOR, SIR?
# 64 Q: DO YOU SEE THE RED ARROW?
# 66 Q: CAN YOU TELL US WHERE TO PUT THE RED ARROW THAT SHOWS THE PATHWAY YOU TOOK?
# 67 A: A LITTLE FARTHER OVER TO THE LEFT. A LITTLE FARTHER OVER. PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THERE, (INDICATING).
# 68 Q: AND THEN YOU WALKED UPWARD FROM THERE?
# 69 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
# 70 Q: AND IS THAT TRACING YOUR PATH?
# 72 Q: AND YOU TOOK THAT PATH ALL THE WAY UP TO --
# 73 A: JUST ABOUT AS FAR AS I COULD GO WHICH THERE WAS A FENCE THERE.
# 74 Q: UP TO THAT MAILBOX THEN OR WHERE THAT ACTUAL CALL BOX IS?
# 75 A: THAT CALL BOX, YES, MA'AM.
# 76 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 77 THE COURT: THERE SHOULD BE NO PHOTOGRAPHY OF ANY OF THESE CRIME SCENES OR THE VICTIMS OR VICTIM. THANK YOU.
# 78 MS. CLARK: AND PLACE THE ARROW BY THE CALL BOX AND THAT -- SHALL WE MARK THIS AND PRINT IT AS 43-B-1?
# 79 MR. BAILEY: YOUR HONOR, MAYBE WE COULD PUT THE WITNESS' INITIALS ON THE PHOTO. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SORT THESE ALL OUT LATER ON.
# 81 MS. CLARK: YES. THAT'S FINE.
# 82 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU PUT A "D.R." UP IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER, PLEASE.
# 83 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 84 Q: NOW, FROM THAT LOCATION, SIR, WAS OFFICER RISKE WITH YOU?
# 86 Q: AND DID HE HAVE A FLASHLIGHT WITH HIM?
# 88 Q: AND DID HE POINT CERTAIN THINGS OUT TO YOU?
# 90 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT WERE YOU -- CAN WE CUT THIS NOW?
# 91 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.
# 93 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, IF I MAY HAVE A MOMENT. THE MARKINGS ARE NOT SHOWING UP ON THE PRINT FRAME FOR THE PRINTER.
# 94 MR. BAILEY: SO LONG AS WE HAVE A MOMENT, MIGHT WE PUT "43-B-1" RIGHT ON THE LOWER CORNER?
# 95 MS. CLARK: WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE BACK OF THE PHOTOGRAPH.
# 96 (PEO'S 43-B-1 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 97 (BRIEF PAUSE.) (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 98 MS. CLARK: APPARENTLY IT WILL NOT PRINT WITH THE MARKINGS ON IT.
# 99 THE COURT: WHY IS THAT?
# 100 MS. CLARK: WHY IS THAT?
# 101 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, AT THIS POINT IN TIME I'M NOT SURE. THE MARKINGS ARE NOT SHOWING UP ON THE PHOTO CHECK MARK. I WILL CHECK THE ACTUAL PRINT WHICH I CAN PRINT AT THIS TIME.
# 102 THE COURT: IF NECESSARY, WE CAN HAVE THE WITNESS ACTUALLY DRAW ON THE PHOTOGRAPH.
# 103 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT.
# 104 THE COURT: DO YOU HAVE A BLACK MARKER?
# 105 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 106 THE COURT: MR. FAIRTLOUGH, WILL A BLACK MARKER WRITE ON ONE OF THOSE PRINTOUTS?
# 107 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THIS PARTICULAR ONE WILL, YOUR HONOR. IT IS A -- IT IS A SHARPIE TYPE THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY MARK ON THE PHOTOGRAPH.
# 108 THE COURT: GREAT. THANK YOU.
# 109 MS. CLARK: MAY I PROCEED?
# 110 THE COURT: YOU MAY. MISS CLARK.
# 111 MS. CLARK: NOW, WHAT -- I'M SORRY.
# 112 Q: WHAT WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE WHEN THE FLASHLIGHT WAS SHINED ON THE VICTIMS?
# 113 A: I SAW A FEMALE VICTIM LYING IN A POOL OF BLOOD AND SHE APPEARED TO BE WEARING A BLACK DRESS.
KEY QUOTE # 114 Q: OKAY. WHAT ELSE COULD YOU SEE?
# 115 A: ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HER I SAW THE MALE VICTIM AND IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE MALE VICTIM WAS NOT COMPLETELY LYING DOWN. IT WAS -- HE APPEARED IN A SEMI-SEATING SLUMPED TYPE OF A POSITION.
# 116 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 117 MS. CLARK: COULD YOU CUT THE FEED, YOUR HONOR.
# 119 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND IS THAT -- DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN THERE, SIR?
# 121 Q: IS THAT THE MALE VICTIM YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED?
# 123 Q: AND IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SAW HIM?
# 124 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
# 125 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 126 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHICH EXHIBIT IS THIS?
# 127 MS. CLARK: THIS IS 43-A.
# 131 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 132 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, P-59. AGAIN, THE FEED SHOULD BE OFF FOR THIS.
# 133 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 134 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS VISIBLE TO YOU AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 A.M. ON JUNE 13TH?
# 135 A: I REMEMBER SEEING A WHITE ENVELOPE OR AT LEAST A LIGHT-COLORED ENVELOPE AND A DARK KNIT CAP. I SAW A BLOCK GLOVE.
# 137 A: I SAW A BLACK GLOVE.
KEY QUOTE # 140 Q: DID IT APPEAR TO BE LEATHER?
# 142 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, P-56-H.
# 144 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 145 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-55, YOUR HONOR.
# 146 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. P-55.
# 147 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 148 MS. CLARK: PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, YOUR HONOR, P-60.
# 149 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PEOPLE'S 60.
# 150 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 151 (PEO'S 60 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 152 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU SEE WHAT IS BEING POINTED TO IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 154 Q: DO YOU RECALL SEEING THIS AT 1:30 A.M. ON THE NIGHT -- THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE 13TH?
# 156 Q: IS THAT THE GLOVE YOU JUST DESCRIBED?
# 158 Q: AND THE CAP YOU JUST DESCRIBED?
# 161 A: YES. THE CAP ALSO, YES.
# 162 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 163 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, AGAIN THE FEED WILL NEED TO BE CUT FOR THESE IMAGES. P-43-C.
# 164 MS. CLARK: CUT THE FEED, YOUR HONOR.
# 166 MS. CLARK: BACK UP.
# 167 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: 43-B.
# 168 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. SHOWING YOU THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, SIR, 43-B AND C, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THEM?
# 170 Q: DO YOU SEE THE WALKWAY?
# 172 Q: THAT WALKWAY, IS THAT THE WALKWAY THAT GOES FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT STEPS OF THE CONDOMINIUM AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?
# 174 Q: AND DO YOU RECALL SEEING IT IN THAT CONDITION?
# 176 Q: DID YOU LOOK AT IT WHEN YOU WERE FIRST ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION?
# 178 Q: CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SAW?
# 179 A: THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD THERE AND IN WITH THE BLOOD THERE WAS A LOT OF DOG PAWS.
KEY QUOTE # 184 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY SHOEPRINTS ON THAT WALKWAY?
# 186 MS. CLARK: CUT IT. THANK YOU.
# 187 Q: AFTER YOU MADE THE OBSERVATIONS THAT YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED TO US, SIR, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 188 A: I THEN ASKED SERGEANT MARTY COON AND OFFICER RISKE TO ESCORT ME AROUND TO THE REAR OF THE LOCATION SO I COULD PREVIEW THAT AND THEY DID. WE WALKED, ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE BUNDY SIDEWALK. WE WALKED SOUTHBOUND TO DOROTHY AND THEN WE WALKED WESTBOUND DOROTHY TO THE ALLEYWAY.
# 189 Q: AS YOU WALKED SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY TO -- TOWARD DOROTHY, DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ON THE SIDEWALK?
# 190 A: AGAIN THERE WERE A LOT OF DOG PAW PRINTS GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
# 191 Q: BLOODY PAW PRINTS?
# 193 Q: AND THAT WAS GOING SOUTH ON BUNDY AROUND TO DOROTHY?
# 194 A: THAT'S CORRECT. THEY CONTINUED ON WESTBOUND ON DOROTHY FOR PROBABLY HALFWAY BETWEEN BUNDY AND THE ALLEYWAY WHERE THEY FADED OUT.
# 195 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOODY SHOEPRINTS GOING SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY?
# 197 Q: AND WHEN YOU -- WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT THE BLOODY PAW PRINTS FADED OUT?
# 198 A: ABOUT HALFWAY BETWEEN THE ALLEYWAY AND THE BUNDY SIDEWALK.
# 200 A: ON DOROTHY. ON THE SIDEWALK OF DOROTHY, YES.
# 201 Q: WHERE DID YOU GO WHEN YOU CAME OUT -- WHEN YOU WENT WESTBOUND ON DOROTHY?
# 202 A: TO THE ALLEYWAY AND WE MADE A RIGHT-HAND TURN AND PROCEEDED TO WALK NORTHBOUND IN THE ALLEYWAY TO THE REAR OF 875 BUNDY.
# 203 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THIS IS P-48-H.
# 204 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHEN YOU GOT TO THE REAR DRIVEWAY, SIR, WAS SOMETHING POINTED OUT TO YOU?
# 207 A: THERE WERE -- THERE WAS A JEEP PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY. I OBSERVED A WHITE-COLORED SPORTS CAR IN THE OPEN GARAGE, AND AS I ROUNDED THE JEEP AND WENT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE JEEP, I WAS SHOWN SOME CHANGE ON THE GROUND AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME DROPLETS OF BLOOD.
# 208 Q: AND LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS -- PHOTOGRAPH NOW, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU -- CAN YOU GET A CLOSE-UP OF THE BLOOD DROP. OKAY. DOES THAT -- LOOKING AT THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, SIR, DOES THAT APPEAR TO BE THE BLOOD DROP AND THE CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED SEEING IN THE REAR DRIVEWAY?
# 209 A: THAT APPEARS TO BE, YES.
# 210 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHAT PHOTOS WERE THOSE, MISS CLARK?
# 211 MS. CLARK: I'M SORRY, YOUR HONOR.
# 212 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THE CHANGE IS P-48.
# 214 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-48-J AND K AND BLOOD DROP IS P-48-I.
# 216 THE COURT: THANK YOU.
# 217 Q: BY MS. CLARK: NOW, WAS THERE A REAR GATE THAT YOU APPROACHED IN THAT LOCATION, SIR?
# 219 Q: AND DID YOU GO TO THE -- GO THROUGH THAT REAR GATE?
# 220 A: THE GATE WAS OPENED AND OFFICER RISKE AND I WALKED DOWN THAT PATHWAY THAT BORDERS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CONDOMINIUM.
# 221 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 222 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THIS IS P-43-A, P-53-B, P-53-C, P-53-D, P-53-E AND P-53-F.
# 224 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 225 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-53-E.
# 227 Q: HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, SIR?
# 229 Q: FIRST OF ALL, THE LOCATIONS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, THIS LAST SERIES YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN, IS THAT THE REAR GATE YOU HAVE DESCRIBED?
# 230 A: THAT APPEARS TO BE THE REAR GATE, YES.
# 231 Q: AND DO YOU RECALL SEEING BLOOD ON THE GATE, THE LOWER RUNG WHERE IT WAS SHOWN IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS?
# 233 Q: NOW, YOU WENT THROUGH THAT REAR GATE THAT IS SHOWN HERE?
# 235 Q: AND FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH YOU ARE STANDING OUTSIDE THE REAR GATE?
# 237 Q: YOU WENT THROUGH THAT GATE WITH OFFICER RISKE?
# 239 Q: WHERE DID YOU WALK?
# 240 A: WE WALKED APPROXIMATELY HALFWAY TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE CONDOMINIUM, AT WHICH TIME I OBSERVED SOMEWHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOODY SHOE SOLE PRINTS ON THE GROUND, ON THE CONCRETE.
# 241 Q: SO -- AND WHICH DIRECTION WERE THOSE SHOEPRINTS GOING, SIR?
# 242 A: THEY WERE GOING TOWARD THE REAR OF THE CONDOMINIUM.
# 243 Q: GOING FROM -- IN A DIRECTION THAT WOULD BE FROM WHERE THE VICTIMS LAY OUT TOWARD THE REAR GATE?
# 245 Q: AND YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THOSE UNTIL YOU GOT HALFWAY DOWN?
# 247 Q: SO THEY FADED OUT HALFWAY AWAY FROM THE VICTIMS?
# 249 Q: WHEN YOU SAW THOSE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 250 A: I STOPPED AND INFORMED OFFICER RISKE THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO ANY FARTHER AND WE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED BACK OUT TO THE REAR OF THE COMPLEX.
# 251 Q: NOW, WHEN YOU DID THAT, DID YOU TAKE CARE TO AVOID THE BLOOD THAT YOU SAW ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THE CHANGE?
# 252 MR. BAILEY: OBJECTION, LEADING.
# 253 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 254 SGT. DAVID ROSSI: ABSOLUTELY.
# 255 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND THEN WHERE DID YOU GO?
# 256 A: WE THEN RETURNED TO THE FRONT OF THE -- TO THE FRONT OF THE CONDO ON BUNDY.
# 257 Q: WHEN YOU GOT TO THE FRONT OF THE CONDO ON BUNDY, WHAT DID YOU SEE? DID YOU SEE THAT DOG, BY THE WAY?
# 258 A: DID I -- YES, I SAW THE DOG.
# 259 Q: WHERE WAS IT WHEN YOU CAME BACK OUT?
# 260 A: WHEN I CAME BACK OUT IT HAD BEEN SECURED WITH ITS LEASH TO A POLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
# 261 Q: OKAY. AND THEN DID YOU STAY OUT IN FRONT OF THE CONDOMINIUM OR IN THE INTERSECTION?
# 262 A: I REMAINED OUT THERE UNTIL THE DETECTIVES ARRIVED, THAT'S CORRECT.
# 263 Q: AND WHERE IS "OUT THERE" EXACTLY?
# 264 A: AT THE -- IN THE STREET CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY. IN BUNDY -- ACTUALLY ON BUNDY, YES.
# 265 Q: NOW, WERE THERE OFFICERS GUARDING THE CRIME SCENE TAPE PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM COMING IN?
# 266 A: YES, THERE WERE.
# 267 Q: IN FRONT AND IN THE REAR?
# 268 A: FRONT AND REAR, YES.
# 269 Q: AND WHICH DETECTIVES ARRIVED FIRST?
# 270 A: DETECTIVE RON PHILLIPS AND MARK FUHRMAN ARRIVED FIRST.
# 271 Q: WERE THEY TOGETHER?
# 273 Q: WHERE DID YOU FIRST MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM?
# 274 A: THEY WALKED OVER TO ME WHERE I WAS STANDING ON BUNDY.
# 275 Q: AND WERE THEY ON FOOT?
# 276 A: THEY HAD PARKED THEIR VEHICLE ON DOROTHY AND THEY HAD WALKED OVER TO ME ON FOOT, YES.
# 277 Q: AND WHERE ON DOROTHY WAS THAT? WAS THIS EAST OR WEST OF THE INTERSECTION WITH BUNDY?
# 279 Q: WHERE THEY PARKED?
# 280 A: WHERE THEY PARKED? THEY PARKED THEIR VEHICLE HEADING EASTBOUND ON DOROTHY JUST EAST OF BUNDY.
# 281 Q: OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY?
# 283 Q: AND YOU MET THEM OUT THERE IN THE STREET?
# 285 Q: DID YOU TALK TO THEM?
# 287 Q: WHAT DID YOU TELL THEM?
# 288 A: I TOLD THEM WHAT WE HAD THERE IN REGARD TO THE TWO VICTIMS, AND I TOLD THEM THAT WE HAD THE CRIME SCENE SECURED AND THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE -- AFTER I HAD RESPONDED, AFTER I HAD ARRIVED, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WERE INSIDE THE BANNER TAPE WERE MYSELF AND OFFICER RISKE AND SERGEANT MARTY COON. AND I TOLD THEM THAT WE HAD GONE AROUND TO THE BACK AFTER WE HAD VIEWED THE VICTIMS AND I TOLD HIM WHAT I HAD OBSERVED IN THE REAR OF THE LOCATION AND I HAD MENTIONED ALSO THE DOG PAW PRINTS THAT I HAD SEEN ON BUNDY AND ON DOROTHY.
# 289 Q: NOW, YOU HAD OFFICERS THAT WERE SECURING THE CRIME SCENE MAKING SURE PEOPLE DON'T GO INSIDE THE TAPE, RIGHT?
# 291 Q: WAS THAT ALL THEY WERE DOING OR WERE THERE OFFICERS OUT DOING OTHER THINGS AS WELL?
# 292 A: I HAD AT LEAST TWO OFFICERS AND SERGEANT MARTY COON -- COON TOLD ME THIS, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM IF ANYBODY WAS CHECKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR POSSIBLE WITNESSES, AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD -- AS I RECALL, AT LEAST ONE TEAM, THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS DOING THAT, GOING FROM DOOR TO DOOR, AND INQUIRING AS TO WHERE -- IF THERE WERE ANY WITNESSES AND TAKING INFORMATION DOWN ON FIELD INTERVIEW CARDS.
# 293 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER YOU SPOKE TO DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, TOLD THEM WHAT YOU HAD SEEN AND WHAT YOU HAD THERE, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 294 A: WE THEN WALKED TOWARDS THE VICTIM TAKING THE SAME ROUTE THAT I HAD TAKEN WHEN I HAD FIRST OBSERVED THEM UP THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FEMALE VICTIM IN THE GRASSY AREA OF THE FRONT OF THE CONDOMINIUM. HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT I DECIDED TO REMAIN ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE NOW AND THERE WAS NO REASON FOR ME TO PROCEED. I ALLOWED SERGEANT MARTY COON AND OFFICER RISKE TO POINT OUT THE VICTIMS TO THE TWO DETECTIVES AND I REMAINED ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT.
# 295 Q: NOW, WHEN THEY WALKED UP TO EXAMINE -- TO LOOK AT THE VICTIMS, WHAT ROUTE DID THEY TAKE?
# 296 A: THEY TOOK THE SAME ROUTE THAT I HAD EARLIER.
# 297 Q: YOU MEAN BY WALKING ON THE GRASS AND ON THE BUSHES?
# 299 Q: DID ANYONE WALK UP THAT WALKWAY WHILE YOU WERE THERE?
# 300 A: YOU MEAN THE WALKWAY IN FRONT OF THE --
# 301 Q: IN FRONT, RIGHT. THE WALKWAY LEADING FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT STEPS TO THE BODY OF NICOLE SIMPSON, DID YOU SEE ANYONE WALK ON THAT WALKWAY?
# 302 A: NO ONE WALKED ON THAT WALKWAY WHILE I WAS THERE.
KEY QUOTE # 303 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW -- SO YOU SAW DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN AND OFFICER RISKE SHOWING THEM THE CRIME SCENE OUT IN FRONT OF THE CONDOMINIUM, THE BODIES OF NICOLE BROWN AND RON GOLDMAN?
# 305 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 306 A: THEN THEY WALKED BACK DOWN TO WHERE I WAS STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEY WANTED TO GO AROUND TO THE REAR, SO AGAIN WE PROCEEDED IN THE SAME ROUTE THAT I HAD TAKEN SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY AND THEN WESTBOUND ON THE SIDEWALK OF DOROTHY.
# 307 Q: AND WHO WALKED -- WHO TOOK THAT ROUTE AROUND TO THE BACK OF THE CONDOMINIUM SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY AND WEST ON DOROTHY?
# 308 A: THAT WAS MYSELF, IT WAS THE TWO DETECTIVES AND SERGEANT MARTY COON AND OFFICER RISKE.
# 309 Q: YOU ALL WALKED TOGETHER?
# 310 A: PRETTY MUCH SO, YES.
# 311 Q: WHERE DID YOU GO?
# 312 A: WHAT ROUTE AGAIN?
# 313 (NODS HEAD UP AND DOWN.) # 314 A: SOUTHBOUND ON THE BUNDY SIDEWALK TO THE WESTBOUND DOROTHY SIDEWALK.
# 315 Q: AND DID YOU GO UP THAT ALLEY AGAIN?
# 316 A: AGAIN UP THE SAME ROUTE IN THE ALLEY, YES.
# 317 Q: AND DID THEY -- DID YOU ALL GO BACK TO THAT REAR DRIVEWAY AREA?
# 319 Q: AND WAS THE EVIDENCE OF THE LOOSE CHANGE AND THE BLOOD DROPS POINTED OUT AGAIN?
# 321 Q: DID YOU SEE ANYBODY STEP IN ANY OF THAT?
# 323 Q: THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 324 A: THEN I TOLD DETECTIVE PHILLIPS THAT I HAD OBSERVED SOME SHOEPRINTS IN THE WALKWAY AND HE ASKED ME TO WALK HIM UP THERE THROUGH THAT AREA AND SHOW HIM, WHICH I DID.
# 325 Q: SO YOU TOOK DETECTIVE -- YOU TOOK DETECTIVE PHILLIPS THROUGH THAT REAR GATE AND DOWN THE WALKWAY AGAIN?
# 327 Q: DID YOU -- AND YOU TOOK HIM UP TO THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS THAT YOU SAW?
# 329 Q: AND THEN STOPPED?
# 330 A: AND THEN STOPPED, YES.
# 331 Q: WHAT HAPPENED TO DETECTIVE FUHRMAN AND OFFICER RISKE?
# 332 A: THEY REMAINED AT THE REAR OF THE -- OF THE COMPLEX AROUND THE ALLEYWAY, AROUND THE GARAGE.
# 333 Q: AND WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE BACK THERE WITH THEM?
# 334 A: THERE WAS OFFICER TERRAZAS WHO WAS ON A FIXED POST THERE FOR SECURITY.
# 335 Q: AND WHAT ABOUT SERGEANT -- SERGEANT MARTY COON?
# 338 A: YES, HE WAS THERE ALSO AND SO --
# 340 A: IN THE REAR. SO WAS OFFICER RISKE.
# 341 Q: SO ALL FOUR OF THEM STAYED BACK THERE WHILE YOU TOOK DETECTIVE PHILLIPS HALFWAY DOWN THE WALKWAY?
# 343 Q: AND WHEN YOU GOT UP TO THE POINT OF THE LAST BLOODY SHOEPRINT ON THE PATH, YOU DID WHAT?
# 344 A: I POINTED THEM OUT TO DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND THEN WE RETURNED TO THE BACK OF THE CONDOMINIUM.
# 345 Q: OKAY. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 346 A: I REMEMBER DETECTIVE PHILLIPS MAKING A PHONE CALL OR TWO ON A CELLULAR PHONE. I BELIEVE HE CALLED ROBBERY/HOMICIDE. BUT A SHORT WHILE LATER WE WENT AHEAD AND -- WELL, CORRECTION. LET ME BACK UP A SECOND. THEY -- THEY, BEING THE TWO DETECTIVES AND OFFICER RISKE, WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND THE TWO DETECTIVES HAD NOT BEEN INSIDE YET, AND RISKE HAD EARLIER, SO THEY ASKED RISKE TO WALK THEM THROUGH THE INSIDE OF THE LOCATION.
# 348 A: AND THEY DID AND I REMAINED OUT AND BEHIND.
# 349 Q: OKAY. SO DID OFFICER RISKE -- HOW DID HE TAKE THE DETECTIVES INTO THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 350 A: THROUGH THE GARAGE.
# 351 Q: NOW, WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT FOR THEM -- FOR THESE DETECTIVES TO SEE THE INSIDE OF THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 352 A: BECAUSE IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THE CRIME SCENE.
# 354 A: OR IT COULD BE, YES.
# 355 Q: OKAY. AND AT THAT POINT WERE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN IN CHARGE OF THIS CASE?
# 357 Q: ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE DUTIES OF A DETECTIVE IN CHARGE OF A HOMICIDE CASE?
# 358 A: BASICALLY. I HAVE NEVER BEEN A DETECTIVE, BUT I HAVE BEEN ON MANY OF THESE CRIME SCENES.
# 359 Q: SO IS IT THEIR JOB TO EXAMINE ALL OF THE EVIDENCE AND EXAMINE ALL OF THE CRIME SCENE TO SEE WHAT THERE IS THERE?
# 360 MR. BAILEY: OBJECTION, LEADING.
# 361 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 362 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT IS THEIR DUTY WITH RESPECT TO THE EXAMINATION OF EVIDENCE AT THE CRIME SCENE?
# 363 A: THEY HAVE TO TOUR AS MUCH OF THE CRIME SCENE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO GET AN OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION.
# 364 Q: SO OFFICER RISKE TOOK DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN INTO THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 366 Q: WHERE DID YOU GO?
# 367 A: I STAYED IN THE ALLEYWAY.
# 368 Q: AT THE REAR OF THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 370 Q: AT SOME POINT DID YOU SEE THEM COME BACK OUT?
# 374 Q: AND HOW DID THEY EXIT?
# 375 A: THE SAME WAY THEY WENT IN, THROUGH THE REAR.
# 376 Q: THROUGH THE GARAGE?
# 377 A: THROUGH THE GARAGE, YES.
# 378 Q: NOW, WHILE YOU WERE STAYING OUT THERE BEFORE THEY CAME BACK OUT, DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE ANY CARS -- YOU NOTICED THE JEEP IN THE DRIVEWAY I THINK YOU INDICATED?
# 380 Q: DID YOU NOTICE WHETHER ANY OF THE DOORS SEEMED TO BE OPENED?
# 381 A: I REMEMBER SEEING THE PASSENGER DOOR, THE FRONT PASSENGER DOOR OF THE JEEP AJAR.
# 382 Q: WAS IT STANDING OPEN? I MEAN WIDE OPEN?
# 383 A: NO, IT WASN'T WIDE OPEN. IT WAS -- MAYBE THREE INCHES.
# 384 Q: NOW, AFTER DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN AND OFFICER RISKE ALL CAME OUT OF THE CONDOMINIUM THROUGH THE GARAGE, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 385 A: AT THAT POINT THAT IS WHEN -- THAT IS WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS. I TOLD HIM THAT WHEN I HAD SPOKE TO DEPUTY CHIEF FRANKLE, CHIEF FRANKLE INFORMED ME THAT IF IT WAS -- IF IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE VICTIM WAS IN FACT NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON, THAT HE WANTED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TO NOTIFY ROBBERY/HOMICIDE.
# 386 Q: AND SO DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS MAKE THAT CALL?
# 387 A: YES, HE DID. I REMEMBER HIM TALKING TO ROBBERY/HOMICIDE ON HIS CELLULAR PHONE.
# 388 Q: NOW, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD LEFT A MESSAGE FOR LIEUTENANT SPANGLER?
# 390 Q: OKAY. HE IS HIGHER RANKING THAN THE DETECTIVES, RIGHT?
# 392 Q: DID YOU SEE HIM ARRIVE AT SOME POINT?
# 393 A: WHILE WE WERE STILL AT THE REAR OF THE LOCATION LIEUTENANT SPANGLER WALKED UP -- HE CAME FROM THE DOROTHY SIDEWALK AND HE WAS WALKING NORTHBOUND IN THE -- IN THE ALLEYWAY TOWARD US AND HE WALKED UP TO THE TWO DETECTIVES AND THEN THEY ENGAGED IN CONVERSATION. AT THAT POINT DETECTIVE PHILLIPS GAVE LIEUTENANT SPANGLER A RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE HAD SEEN AND WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING.
# 394 Q: AND DID LIEUTENANT SPANGLER THEN WALK INTO THE -- WALK DOWN THE WALKWAY AND LOOK AT THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS OR APPROACH THE BODY OF THE VICTIMS?
# 395 A: NO, HE DIDN'T DO THAT.
# 397 A: I THINK HE ACCEPTED THE EXPLANATION FROM DETECTIVE -- FROM BOTH THE DETECTIVES.
# 398 MR. BAILEY: WELL. EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WITNESS SHOULD SPECULATE WHAT WAS IN THE MIND OF THE LIEUTENANT.
# 399 THE COURT: SUSTAINED, SUSTAINED.
# 400 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AFTER LIEUTENANT SPANGLER MADE CONTACT WITH YOU ALL IN THE REAR OF THE CONDOMINIUM, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 401 A: SHORTLY THEREAFTER WE RETURNED TO THE AREA OF BUNDY AND DOROTHY.
# 403 A: YES. AT THAT POINT ALL OF US WALKED.
# 404 Q: WHAT ABOUT OFFICER RISKE, DID HE COME BACK ALSO?
# 406 Q: AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS ALSO?
# 408 Q: AND THEN LIEUTENANT SPANGLER WAS IN FRONT AS WELL?
# 409 A: HE CAME BACK AROUND THE FRONT WITH US, YES.
# 410 Q: DID YOU REMAIN OUT IN FRONT AT THAT POINT, SIR?
# 412 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU DO? WHEN I SAY "OUT FRONT," CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THAT IS, APPROXIMATELY?
# 413 A: ON -- IN THE STREET ON BUNDY JUST NORTH OF DOROTHY. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
# 414 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: P-51.
# 415 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AGAIN, WHEN YOU SAID THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY, THAT YOU MET THEM IN THE STREET, YOU STOOD OUT IN THE STREET THERE, IS THAT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION SHOWN WHERE THE GENTLEMAN ARE STANDING IN THE PHOTOGRAPH NOW BEFORE YOU?
# 417 Q: NOW, IS DOROTHY THE STREET THAT IS IN THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE -- OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
# 419 Q: OKAY. AND THEN IT INTERSECTS WHERE -- AND BUNDY IS THE STREET THAT YOU SEE THE BROWN CAR PARKED ON?
# 421 Q: AND THE BROWN CAR WOULD BE FACING IN A NORTHBOUND DIRECTION THEN?
# 423 Q: AND THIS BLUE CAR IN THE FOREGROUND WOULD BE FACING IN AN EASTBOUND DIRECTION ON DOROTHY?
# 425 Q: NOW, WHAT DID YOU DO AS YOU STOOD OUT FRONT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY?
# 426 A: I TOLD THE TWO DETECTIVES THAT I WOULD MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE, I WOULD STAY THERE, AND IF THEY NEEDED ME TO DO ANYTHING OR GET AHOLD OF ME. MY CAPTAIN ARRIVED RIGHT AROUND THAT SAME TIME, CONSTANCE DIAL SHOWED UP.
# 427 Q: AND DID YOU SPEAK TO HER?
# 428 A: I DID, YES. I TOLD HER WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING UP TO THIS POINT AND THE DETECTIVES WENT ABOUT DOING SOMETHING, BUT I LOST SIGHT OF THEM AS I WAS TALKING -- I WAS TALKING WITH CAPTAIN DIAL.
# 429 Q: SHE IS -- IS SHE YOUR BOSS?
# 431 Q: YOU WERE STANDING WITH HER IN THE INTERSECTION?
# 433 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER DETECTIVE ARRIVE?
# 434 A: NOT TOO LONG AFTER THAT I REMEMBER DETECTIVE VANNATTER ARRIVING.
# 435 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU SEE HIM DO?
# 436 A: HE APPROACHED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN. THEY ENGAGED IN CONVERSATION.
# 438 A: THE DETECTIVES PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN HAD RETURNED TO WHERE I WAS ON BUNDY AND DOROTHY AND THAT IS WHERE THEY -- THAT IS WHERE THEY SPOKE WITH DETECTIVE VANNATTER.
# 439 Q: OUT IN THAT SAME INTERSECTION THEN?
# 441 Q: AND THEN WHAT DID YOU SEE THEM DO AFTER THEY SPOKE?
# 442 A: I REMEMBER JUST A FEW MINUTES LATER THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPROACHED THE IMMEDIATE CRIME SCENE AGAIN WHERE THE VICTIMS WERE.
# 443 Q: AND WHO WAS IT THAT YOU SAW APPROACH THE CRIME SCENE AT THAT POINT?
# 444 A: IT WAS DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN AND VANNATTER.
# 445 Q: THE THREE OF THEM?
# 447 Q: DID YOU SEE WHAT ROUTE THEY TOOK?
# 448 A: THEY WENT THE SAME ROUTE THAT THEY HAD TAKEN -- THAT I HAD TAKEN EARLIER.
# 449 Q: AND THAT -- BY THAT YOU MEAN WHAT?
# 450 A: TO THE LEFT OF THE FEMALE VICTIM UP THROUGH THE GRASS AND THE -- THE FOLIAGE AREA, UP TO THE FENCE.
# 451 Q: SO THAT WOULD BE TO THE LEFT OF THE WALKWAY?
# 452 A: TO THE LEFT OF WALKWAY, CORRECT.
# 453 Q: NOW, THAT GRASSY AREA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT A FLAT AND LEVEL AREA, SIR?
# 454 A: NO, YOU HAVE TO WALK UP IT. IT GOES UP AND IT IS KIND OF TIERED.
# 455 Q: SO IT IS KIND OF UP A LITTLE INCLINE?
# 457 Q: AND YOU SAW THEM TAKE THAT SAME PATH?
# 459 Q: DID YOU SEE ANYBODY SHINING A FLASHLIGHT ON THE CRIME SCENE AREA AROUND THE VICTIMS?
# 460 A: THEY WERE USING FLASHLIGHTS, YES.
# 461 Q: AND THEN DID YOU SEE THEM LEAVE THAT AREA BY THE SAME ROUTE, WALKING BACK THROUGH THE GRASS?
# 463 Q: AT SOME POINT DID YOU SEE THE THREE OF THEM WALK TOWARD THE REAR ALLEY?
# 464 A: I DON'T REMEMBER WALKING TOWARD THE REAR.
# 465 Q: DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING -- DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING THEM COME OUT ON TO THE SIDEWALK OF BUNDY?
# 467 Q: DID YOU EVER SEE THEM THEN PROCEED DOWN DOROTHY TOWARDS THE REAR ALLEY AREA OF THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 468 A: I REMEMBER THEM WALKING THAT WAY, YES.
# 469 Q: NOW, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU LEAVE THAT SCENE, SIR?
# 470 A: I BELIEVE I LEFT RIGHT AROUND 0410, 0415, AROUND THAT TIME.
# 471 Q: 4:10 TO 4:15 A.M.?
# 472 A: RIGHT. I DISCUSSED IT WITH CAPTAIN DIAL AND I TOLD HER THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT I AM NEEDED HERE ANY MORE AND THAT I WOULD LEAVE AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS THERE AS THE DETECTIVE WISHED, AND SHE SAID FINE.
I TOLD HER I HAD SOME WORK PILING UP AT THE STATION, SO I DISCUSSED IT WITH DETECTIVE FUHRMAN AND LET HIM KNOW THAT I WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING AND I TOLD HIM HE COULD USE AS MANY OF THE POLICE OFFICERS AS WERE THERE AND AT THAT POINT I LEFT.
# 473 Q: NOW, WAS THAT PART OF YOUR DUTIES AS WELL, TO DETERMINE HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS WILL BE ASSIGNED TO THE INVESTIGATION -- TO ASSIST IN THE INVESTIGATION OF A CRIME SCENE?
# 474 A: NO, THAT IS NOT MY JOB, BUT I JUST TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT WHATEVER WE HAD WERE AVAILABLE TO HIM, WHATEVER HE NEEDED. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A PATROL DIVISION TO RUN AND RADIO CALLS COMING IN, SO I WAS DISCUSSING IT WITH HIM AND WAS WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY PEOPLE HE COULD KICK LOOSE SO I COULD USE THEM FOR PATROL FUNCTIONS.
# 475 Q: NOW, WHEN YOU LEFT AT APPROXIMATELY 4:10 TO 4:15 P.M., WAS LIEUTENANT SPANGLER STILL THERE?
# 477 Q: ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GET BACK TO THE STATION, SIR?
# 478 A: I GOT BACK TO THE STATION RIGHT AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK. I HAD STOPPED AND PICKED UP SOMETHING TO EAT AND BROUGHT IT BACK TO THE POLICE STATION.
# 479 Q: SHORTLY AFTER YOU GOT BACK, DID YOU GET A PHONE CALL FROM DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
# 480 A: YES, I DID. SHORTLY AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
# 481 Q: DID HE MAKE SOME REQUEST OF YOU?
# 482 A: HE ASKED ME TO CALL WESTEC SECURITY AND HE ASKED ME TO INQUIRE AS TO IF -- INQUIRE IF THEY HAD A LISTING FOR THE SECURITY CONTRACT FOR MR. O.J. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE ON ROCKINGHAM.
# 483 Q: AND DID HE ASK YOU TO MAKE ANY OTHER INQUIRIES OF WESTEC?
# 484 A: HE WAS INTERESTED TO FIND OUT ALSO IF THEY HAD A TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR THAT LOCATION.
# 485 Q: DID HE ASK YOU TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DEFENDANT WAS IN OR OUT OF TOWN, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?
# 486 A: HE ASKED ME TO ASK WHOEVER I SPOKE WITH THERE IF THE DEFENDANT WAS -- IF THEY HAD ANY IDEA IF THE DEFENDANT WAS IN TOWN.
# 487 Q: AND THEN DID YOU CALL WESTEC?
# 489 Q: NOW, AT THAT POINT THAT YOU CALLED WESTEC FOR THE FIRST TIME, DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ADDRESS FOR MR. SIMPSON?
# 490 A: NO, I DIDN'T GET A NUMBER. THE ONLY THING I HAD WAS MR. O.J. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE ON ROCKINGHAM.
# 491 Q: YOU SPOKE TO SOMEONE AT WESTEC?
# 492 A: YES. THE PERSON THAT ANSWERED THE PHONE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS OPERATOR 48 AND I LATER FOUND OUT HIS NAME WAS FRANK, AND I MADE THE INQUIRY.
AT THAT TIME OPERATOR 48 TOLD ME THAT HE DID NOT SHOW A LISTING ON ROCKINGHAM FOR AN O.J. SIMPSON, SO I TOLD HIM THAT -- TO HANG ON, THAT I WOULD CALL HIM BACK, THAT I HAD TO GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH THE DETECTIVES. SO I HUNG UP AND I CALLED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS BACK AND I ASKED HIM FOR THE ACTUAL ADDRESS, THE NUMBER ADDRESS.
# 493 Q: AND DID YOU GET THE ACTUAL ADDRESS?
# 494 A: YES. HE GAVE ME 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM.
# 495 Q: WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE CALLING DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT? ON WHAT?
# 496 A: I WAS CALLING HIS CELLULAR PHONE.
# 497 Q: HE HAD A CELL PHONE?
# 499 Q: AND WERE YOU -- YOU WERE AT THAT -- YOU WERE THAT NIGHT THE WATCH COMMANDER?
# 501 Q: IS THERE A SPECIAL LINE OR A SPECIAL NUMBER THAT CAN BE CALLED BY THE DETECTIVES SO THAT THEY GO STRAIGHT THROUGH TO YOU?
# 502 A: YES. I HAVE A STRAIGHT THROUGH NUMBER, REGULAR TELEPHONE NUMBER ON MY DESK, A NUMBER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LOBBY DESK.
# 504 THE COURT: PRETTY DELICATE.