Sidebar: evidence terminology

📄 Sidebar: evidence terminology — Wednesday, August 16, 1995

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TRIAL

▲ Day 137 of 167

◀ Cross-examination of Michele Kestler (part 1) Cross-examination of Michele Kestler (part 2) ▶

Date: Wednesday, August 16, 1995 • Lines: 12

At sidebar, Peter Neufeld argued that only items subsequently tested and corroborated should be described as blood and said he was unaware of DNA testing on other stains observed or collected that date. Christopher Darden asked whether the witness could instead say she saw red stains; Judge Ito said yes and cited prior testimony using 'red substances.' Darden agreed to use 'red stains or substances.'

# 1 (The following proceedings were held at the bench:)

# 2 THE COURT:

All right. We're over at the sidebar. What's your objection, Mr. Neufeld?

# 3 MR. NEUFELD:

My objection is, if she's--the only items which are allowed to be described as blood are those items which have been subsequently tested and corroborated. We know that the stains on the console were subsequently tested for DNA and corroborated. I'm not aware of any other stains observed or collected on that date being subjected to DNA analysis in this case.

# 4 THE COURT:

Were you asking about the steering wheel, Mr. Darden?

# 5 MR. DARDEN:

I think it is 293. We can get a list and see.

# 6 MR. NEUFELD:

Check on that. My recollection is, no, that's--29 was the steering wheel that was collected on June 14th and tested. So if they're talking about something different now, it's my understanding there was no DNA testing on any of the items collected subsequently except on the console.

# 7 MR. DARDEN:

Is she allowed to say that she saw red stains as opposed to using the term "Blood"?

KEY QUOTE

# 8 THE COURT:

Yes.

# 9 MR. DARDEN:

Okay. Why don't I just change it to that?

# 10 THE COURT:

Because if you recollect, I allowed Mr. MacDonell to testify that he saw red substances on the opposite side of the sock. So--

KEY QUOTE

# 11 MR. DARDEN:

I'll use red stains or substances.

# 12 THE COURT:

All right. Or whatever. Dry red stain, whatever.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Peter Neufeld

The only items which are allowed to be described as blood are those items which have been subsequently tested and corroborated.

Establishes the defense's evidentiary principle: characterizing a stain as 'blood' is a conclusion requiring scientific support, not merely an observation.

Christopher Darden

Is she allowed to say that she saw red stains as opposed to using the term 'Blood'?

Darden proposes the practical compromise that resolves the objection.

Lance A. Ito

Because if you recollect, I allowed Mr. MacDonell to testify that he saw red substances on the opposite side of the sock. So--

Judge cites prior ruling as precedent, providing consistency in terminology standards across witnesses.

Evidence (3)

293 (tentative; Neufeld recalled 29)

Steering wheel collected June 14th, subsequently tested for DNA

discussed while checking the identity and testing history of the steering-wheel item.

Informal

Stains on the Bronco console, DNA tested and corroborated

cited by Neufeld as tested and corroborated blood evidence.

Informal

Other Bronco stains collected on the same date that Neufeld said he was unaware of having been subjected to DNA analysis

subject of the objection; Darden proposed 'red stains,' which Ito permitted.

Notable Exchanges (1)

Peter Neufeld•Lance A. Ito•Christopher Darden

Neufeld argued for distinguishing tested and corroborated blood evidence from other observed stains; Darden proposed 'red stains,' Ito confirmed that wording was permissible and referenced prior 'red substances' testimony, and Darden agreed to use neutral terminology.

strategic

Objections

1 objections (1 sustained, 0 overruled)

Proceeding 7328 • 12 lines

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