Redirect and recross-examination of Laura Hart McKinny covered two main areas: Cochran establishing that McKinny had reviewed court documents confirming Fuhrman's 41+ uses of the N-word, and Darden probing whether McKinny or her attorneys had attempted to monetize the tapes by shopping them to media outlets including the National Enquirer. Cochran rehabilitated McKinny by eliciting that she refused to sell the tapes and had made them available to anyone with standing, including Fuhrman himself.
# 1 THE COURT: Mr. Cochran.
# 2 MR. COCHRAN: Just two other questions, your Honor.
# 3 MR. COCHRAN: When you indicated that Mr. Fuhrman had used this word some 41 or more times, much how do you know that? Did you count them yourself from the transcripts and the tapes?
# 4 MS. MCKINNY: No, I did not count them.
# 5 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You have seen them, however, in the various and sundry documents filed with this court?
# 6 MR. DARDEN: Objection, your Honor.
# 8 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Have you had occasion to review any document filed with this court with regard to the use of that word?
# 9 MR. DARDEN: This is irrelevant.
# 10 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 11 MS. MCKINNY: Yes, I have reviewed the offer of proof submitted by the Defense.
KEY QUOTE # 12 MR. DARDEN: Objection.
# 14 MR. DARDEN: Irrelevant.
# 15 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 16 MR. COCHRAN: You have counted those documents, right?
# 18 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, I have nothing further at this point, your Honor.
# 19 THE COURT: All right. Recross.
RECROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. DARDEN
# 20 MR. DARDEN: Miss McKinny, you testified in North Carolina on July 30th; is that correct?
# 21 MS. MCKINNY: I don't recall the exact date. That sounds close.
# 22 MR. DARDEN: Would it refresh your recollection if I showed you a transcript? Sorry. The date is wrong on the transcript. In any event, are you aware that the D.A.'s office attempted to subpoena these tapes from your attorneys on July 14th?
# 23 MS. MCKINNY: Again I don't--
# 24 MR. DARDEN: Are you aware that the D.A.'s office obtained a court order from the Judge attempting to subpoena to this court these very same tapes from your attorneys on July 14th?
# 25 MR. COCHRAN: Object to the form of the question. Assumes a fact not in evidence.
# 26 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 28 MR. DARDEN: Are you aware that on July 10th the D.A.'s office addressed the court and advised the court of the existence of these tapes and sought guidance from the court in terms of recovering these tapes?
# 29 MS. MCKINNY: On July 10th?
# 31 MS. MCKINNY: Again, please, I'm--
# 33 MS. MCKINNY: And did what? Could you say what you did again?
# 34 MR. DARDEN: That we went to Judge Ito and told him that we heard of the existence of these tapes and we asked the court for guidance and help in obtaining these tapes and causing them to be delivered to the court?
# 35 MS. MCKINNY: No, I'm not--I am not aware of that.
# 36 MR. DARDEN: Just so it is clear, when was it that you authorized your attorneys to contact media entities--entities to determine the value of the tapes and transcripts?
# 37 MR. COCHRAN: Object to the form of that question, your Honor. There is no testimony about media entities.
# 38 THE COURT: Rephrase the question.
# 39 MR. DARDEN: When was it that you authorized your attorneys to contact any person or any organization or any business or corporation?
# 40 MS. MCKINNY: I don't recall a specific date that I authorized my attorneys to do that.
# 41 MR. DARDEN: Do you recall which month?
# 42 MS. MCKINNY: Which month?
# 44 MS. MCKINNY: It would have to be July or August.
# 45 MR. DARDEN: Okay. Well, do you know which one?
# 46 MS. MCKINNY: No, I don't.
# 47 MR. DARDEN: Okay. Was there any contact with the National Enquirer.
# 48 MR. COCHRAN: Object to the form of that question. By whom, your Honor?
# 49 MR. DARDEN: By your attorneys?
# 50 THE COURT: Rephrase the question.
# 51 MR. DARDEN: Did you have your attorneys contact the National Enquirer?
# 52 MS. MCKINNY: I don't know if my attorneys have contacted the National Enquirer. They may have. I don't know.
# 53 MR. DARDEN: Okay. Did you have your attorneys contact media entities outside the United States?
# 54 MS. MCKINNY: I don't know. We were--we were contacted by people I didn't even know, and my attorneys would relay that information to me, so I don't know if for instance the National Enquirer would have called my attorneys or who would have contacted them.
# 55 MR. DARDEN: Thank you. That is all.
# 56 THE COURT: Mr. Cochran.
# 57 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel and the Defendant.) # 58 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.) # 59 MR. COCHRAN: I presume there has been a great amount of interest in these tapes and transcripts by a lot of the media; isn't that correct?
# 60 MS. MCKINNY: That's correct.
# 61 MR. COCHRAN: But you have refused steadfastly to sell these tapes; isn't that correct?
# 62 MS. MCKINNY: That's correct.
# 63 MR. COCHRAN: And you have even sent some portions of these tapes to Mr. Mark Fuhrman; isn't that correct?
# 64 (No audible response.) # 65 MR. COCHRAN: Back in 1985 or earlier?
# 67 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you very kindly. Nothing further at this particular point, your Honor.
FURTHER RECROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. DARDEN
# 68 MR. DARDEN: You said you sent tapes to Mark Fuhrman?
# 69 MS. MCKINNY: Excuse me then.
# 70 MR. COCHRAN: Transcription.
# 71 MR. DARDEN: I'm sorry, I'm asking the questions.
# 72 THE COURT: All right. Mr. Darden.
# 73 MR. DARDEN: You said you sent tapes to Mr. Fuhrman?
# 74 MS. MCKINNY: I sent transcripts.
# 75 MR. DARDEN: With regard to the tapes and the transcript, who owns those tapes or transcripts, you or Mark Fuhrman?
# 76 MS. MCKINNY: I assume I own them. They are my tapes, my transcripts.
# 77 MR. DARDEN: That is all.
# 78 THE COURT: Mr. Cochran.
# 79 MR. COCHRAN: Just one last question.
FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. COCHRAN
# 80 MR. COCHRAN: Your lawyers and you have made these tapes and these transcripts available to Mark Fuhrman and his lawyer; isn't that correct?
# 81 MR. DARDEN: Objection, your Honor.
# 82 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 83 MR. COCHRAN: Isn't that correct?
# 84 MS. MCKINNY: Yes, as well as to anyone else who has asked.
KEY QUOTE # 85 MR. COCHRAN: Others who have asked can go to your lawyer's office and listen to these things?
# 86 MS. MCKINNY: Anyone who has standing; LAPD, yes.
KEY QUOTE # 87 MR. COCHRAN: Anyone who has standing?
# 89 MR. DARDEN: Just a few if the may.
FURTHER RECROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. DARDEN
# 90 MR. DARDEN: The L.A. Police Commission has come over to take a listen to these tapes?
# 91 MS. MCKINNY: My attorney's office has been available for anyone who has standing who has called the attorneys to listen to the tapes and take copious notes on the transcript. They have spent hours, days there taking notes, but they are under protective order with only the Prosecution and the Defense actually having copies of the tapes or the transcripts.
# 92 MR. DARDEN: Okay. And the United States Department of Justice, have they been there to listen to the tapes yet?
# 93 MS. MCKINNY: I don't know.
# 94 MR. DARDEN: Has the FBI been there yet?
# 95 MS. MCKINNY: I don't know.
# 96 MR. DARDEN: They will be, won't they?
KEY QUOTE # 97 MS. MCKINNY: I don't know.
# 98 MR. DARDEN: That is all.