Cochran cross-examines Detective Lange about the criminalists who processed the Bundy crime scene, focusing on who was in charge between Fung and Mazzola, and discrepancies in Lange's notes about when the coroner was notified. Cochran also probed Lange's knowledge of the Bundy glove and whether there were Caucasian hairs on it, with Lange claiming ignorance. The session ended at the lunch recess before Lange could answer the hair question.
# 1 THE COURT: MR. COCHRAN.
# 2 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 3 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DETECTIVE LANGE, WHO WERE THE CRIMINALISTS WHO WERE -- WHO ULTIMATELY CAME TO THE BUNDY LOCATION ON THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE 13TH, 1994?
# 5 Q: AND WHAT DOES THE INITIALS OIC MEAN?
# 6 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. VAGUE, IRRELEVANT.
# 7 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 8 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHAT DOES OIC MEAN?
# 10 Q: IF YOU -- ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH A FORM CALLED THE "CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHECKLIST"?
# 11 A: I BELIEVE IT'S A FORM THAT'S USED BY CRIMINALISTS IN THE FIELD.
# 12 Q: HAVE YOU SEEN THAT FORM BEFORE?
# 14 Q: AND WITH REGARD TO THE TERM "SEARCH TEAM OIC NAME," DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
# 15 A: I CAN ONLY ASSUME IT'S SCIENTIFIC --
# 16 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. SPECULATION.
# 17 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 18 DET. TOM LANGE: IT'S SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION DIVISION FORM. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE THEIR CRIMINALIST SEARCH TEAM AT A CRIME SCENE.
# 19 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND AS BETWEEN MAZZOLA AND FUNG, WHO WAS THE MOST EXPERIENCED, IF YOU KNOW?
# 21 Q: AND WERE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER -- OF HOW MANY CRIME SCENES BEFORE THIS MAZZOLA HAD WORKED ON BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR CASE ON JUNE 13TH, 1994?
# 22 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. HEARSAY, IRRELEVANT.
# 23 MR. COCHRAN: IF HE KNOWS.
# 24 THE COURT: OVERRULED. IF YOU KNOW.
# 25 DET. TOM LANGE: NOT AT THAT TIME, NO.
# 26 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, YOU HAD WORKED WITH FUNG BEFORE THIS DATE OF JUNE 1994. YOU KNEW HIM?
# 27 A: I KNEW WHO HE WAS. I DON'T RECALL WORKING ANY SPECIFIC CASES WITH HIM.
# 28 Q: AND AS BETWEEN MAZZOLA AND FUNG, IF YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS THE OFFICER IN CHARGE? WHICH OF THE TWO OF THEM WERE IN CHARGE?
# 29 A: I WOULD HAVE SAID FUNG.
# 30 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. MAY I SHOW HIM THIS FORM, YOUR HONOR, AT THIS POINT?
# 31 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. NO FOUNDATION.
# 32 THE COURT: YOU CAN SHOW IT TO HIM.
# 33 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU.
# 34 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: PLACING BEFORE YOU 1039.
# 35 THE COURT: SEE IF IT REFRESHES HIS RECOLLECTION.
# 36 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT 1039 REFRESHES YOUR RECOLLECTION AS TO WHICH WAS IN CHARGE.
# 37 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION AND HE HAS NO NEED TO REFRESH HIS RECOLLECTION AS TO WHO WAS IN CHARGE. THIS DETECTIVE HAS INDICATED HE KNOWS.
# 38 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 39 MS. CLARK: THE QUESTION IS IRRELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 40 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 41 DET. TOM LANGE: YOU WANT MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS?
# 42 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NO. I WANT YOU TO READ IT TO YOURSELF.
# 43 THE COURT: WHETHER OR NOT IT REFRESHES YOUR RECOLLECTION AS TO WHICH CRIMINALIST WAS IN CHARGE.
# 45 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: IT DOES NOT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION?
# 47 Q: ALL RIGHT. BY THE WAY, THIS PARTICULAR FORM, IS THIS THE FORM THAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS, A CRIMINALIST FORM?
# 49 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THIS FORM THEN, "CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHECKLIST"?
# 50 A: THIS IS A FORM USED BY SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION DIVISION FOR THEIR PURPOSES.
# 51 Q: AND THAT'S PART OF THE LAPD?
# 52 A: IT'S PART OF THE LAPD. IT'S NOT A FORM THAT I USE OR AM FAMILIAR WITH.
# 53 Q: ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT FORM BEFORE?
# 54 A: I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, I PROBABLY HAVE, YES. IT'S IN -- IT SHOULD BE PART OF SID'S NOTES.
# 55 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AS SUCH, AS BETWEEN FUNG AND MAZZOLA, MAZZOLA AND FUNG, YOU DIDN'T CALL EITHER ONE OF THEM ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 57 MR. COCHRAN: A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO --
# 58 THE COURT: KEEP GOING.
# 59 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. I MAY NOT FINISH, BUT --
# 60 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WERE YOU PRESENT AT THE BUNDY LOCATION WHEN THE KNIT CAP WAS TAKEN BY SOMEONE, BY THE CRIMINALIST PRESUMABLY TO BE BOOKED INTO EVIDENCE?
# 61 A: I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS THERE OR NOT.
# 62 Q: DO YOU HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION OF THAT AT ALL?
# 64 Q: DO YOU KNOW -- DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING FUNG AT THAT LOCATION?
# 66 Q: DO YOU REMEMBER SEEING MAZZOLA AT THE LOCATION?
# 68 Q: DO YOU REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT AT SOME POINT, FUNG WAS PLACING ITEMS OF EVIDENCE INTO A PAPER BAG OF SOME KIND?
# 69 A: I DON'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY SEEING HIM DO THAT. I RECALL HIM BEING WITH THE GLOVE AND WHEN I EXAMINED THE GLOVE, BUT PUTTING IT IN THE BAG AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN THE CRIMINALIST WAGON, IN THE TRUCK.
# 70 Q: ALL RIGHT. WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS BEFORE. YOU HAD ASKED AND WAS ASSISTED -- YOU WERE ASSISTED BY PHILLIPS IN CALLING THE CORONER'S OFFICE FOR THE FIRST CALL; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 72 Q: AND IN YOUR NOTES THAT YOU WROTE DOWN, YOU INDICATED SOMETHING ABOUT THE CALL BEING AT 7:35 IS IT? THAT CALL WAS LATER THAN 7:35; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 73 A: I DON'T RECALL WRITING 7:35.
# 74 Q: WELL, LET'S REFER TO YOUR NOTES, THE CRIME SCENE NOTES.
# 75 MS. CLARK: CAN WE HAVE A PAGE, COUNSEL?
# 76 MR. COCHRAN: I THINK IT'S 054 IS WHAT I SEE, COUNSEL.
# 77 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: THE FIRST PAGE, DETECTIVE.
# 79 Q: YES. MY "7" IS CUT OFF. DO YOU SEE AT THE VERY TOP THERE, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT HEATH NOTIFIED? DO YOU SEE THAT?
# 81 Q: SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS WRITTEN OVER. WHAT DOES THAT SAY IN YOUR NOTES?
# 82 A: "CORONER INVESTIGATOR HEATH NOTIFIED 0735."
KEY QUOTE # 83 Q: 0735, THAT'S 7:35 IN THE MORNING?
# 85 Q: AND YOU KNOW NOW FROM THE REPORTS IN THIS CASE THAT THE CORONER WAS FIRST CALLED AT PERHAPS 6:49, 6:50 IN THE MORNING; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 86 A: SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YES.
# 87 Q: AND THAT THE SECOND CALL WAS ABOUT 8:08 IN THE MORNING; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 88 A: I DON'T RECALL, BUT PERHAPS, YES.
# 89 Q: ALL RIGHT. AT THE TIME THAT YOU HAD PHILLIPS CALL THE CORONER THE FIRST TIME, DID YOU KNOW THAT MR. GOLDMAN AND MISS BROWN HAD -- MISS BROWN SIMPSON HAD DIED FROM KNIFE WOUNDS?
# 90 A: AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST CORONER'S NOTIFICATION?
# 91 Q: YES. THE ONE JUST BEFORE 7:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
# 92 A: NOT FOR SURE, NO.
# 93 Q: WELL, YOU DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD BEEN BLUDGEONED TO DEATH, DID YOU?
# 94 A: DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE.
# 95 Q: YOU COULD SEE -- YOU COULD SEE BOTH THEIR BODIES; COULD YOU NOT?
# 97 Q: AND YOU DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD BEEN SHOT, DID YOU, AT THAT POINT?
# 99 Q: YOU HAD NO IDEA AT ALL?
# 100 A: I FELT THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A COMBINATION OF THINGS CERTAINLY. WE MORE OR LESS RESERVE JUDGMENT UNTIL THE CORONER'S INVESTIGATOR GETS THERE AND WE CAN EXAMINE FURTHER.
KEY QUOTE # 101 Q: AND WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE THEORY THAT THEY -- IN TELLING THE CORONER'S INVESTIGATOR THAT, "WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THESE BODIES WERE BLUDGEONED TO DEATH OR SHOT," BECAUSE THAT WAS THE STATE OF YOUR MIND AT THAT TIME WHEN THE CORONER'S FIRST CALL WAS MADE SHORTLY BEFORE 7:00 O'CLOCK ON JUNE 13, 1994?
# 103 Q: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU EVER AT ANY TIME BEFORE IT WAS COLLECTED EVER EXAMINE THIS GLOVE THAT WE'VE SEEN DEPICTED AT THE BUNDY LOCATION?
# 104 A: DID I EXAMINE IT?
# 107 Q: THAT MORNING BEFORE IT WAS EVER COLLECTED BY ANYONE.
# 108 A: IN THE PRESENCE OF MR. FUNG, YES.
# 109 Q: AND THIS IS BEFORE FUNG -- DID FUNG COLLECT IT AFTER THAT, IF YOU KNOW?
# 110 A: I BELIEVE IT HAD BEEN COLLECTED.
# 111 Q: AND BY COLLECTED, WHAT DO WE MEAN?
# 112 A: PICKED IT UP. I BELIEVE IT HAD BEEN PICKED UP, AND IN FACT WHAT I HAD TESTIFIED TO WAS, I OBSERVED IT IN THE TRUCK. HE WAS POINTING OUT TO ME THAT THERE -- TO BE CAREFUL OF THE GLOVE, THAT THERE WERE HAIRS AND FIBERS ON IT.
# 113 Q: FUNG POINTED THIS OUT FOR YOU, CORRECT?
# 115 Q: AND WITH REGARD TO THAT GLOVE, THERE WERE CAUCASIAN HAIRS ON THAT GLOVE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 117 Q: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER THERE WERE CAUCASIAN HAIRS ON THAT GLOVE?
# 119 Q: WERE THERE CAUCASIAN HAIRS ON EITHER OF THE GLOVES?
# 121 Q: YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT AT ALL?
# 122 A: I HAVE HEARD THAT -- I DON'T KNOW --
KEY QUOTE # 123 Q: NOT WHAT YOU HEARD. JUST WHAT YOU KNOW.
# 124 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. HOW ELSE WOULD HE KNOW?
# 125 MR. COCHRAN: I'M ASKING HIM WHAT HE KNOWS AND HE WILL HAVE TO TELL US AS THE INVESTIGATOR.
# 126 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
# 127 MS. CLARK: HEARSAY.
# 128 THE COURT: AND HE WILL HAVE TO TELL US AFTER LUNCH.
# 129 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT.
# 130 THE COURT: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR RECESS FOR THE NOON HOUR AT THIS TIME. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITIONS TO YOU; DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, DON'T FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU WITH REGARD TO THE CASE, DO NOT CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU FINALLY. DETECTIVE LANGE, YOU ARE EXCUSED AND ORDERED BACK FOR 1:30. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, 1:30. WE'RE IN RECESS.