📄 Witness discharge — Friday, March 3, 1995
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Witness discharge

Date: Friday, March 3, 1995 • Utterances: 33
Rosa Lopez is formally discharged after her conditional examination, during which her testimony was preserved due to her impending departure from the jurisdiction. Darden attempts to have the court order Lopez to return, arguing that her preserved testimony can only be used at trial if she is found legally unavailable under Evidence Code Section 240. Ito declines the order, and there is a brief light exchange as Lopez thanks the judge for accommodations paid for by Cochran.
1 THE COURT:

MR. COCHRAN.

2 MR. COCHRAN:

I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. MAY SHE BE EXCUSED?

3 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MISS LOPEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE CONCLUDED YOUR TESTIMONY.

4 THE WITNESS:

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY TO YOU.

5 THE COURT:

BRIEFLY.

6 MR. DARDEN:

BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOUR HONOR -- BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE -- I WOULD ASK THE COURT NOT TO EXCUSE THE WITNESS AND THAT THE COURT ORDER THE WITNESS TO RETURN.

7 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MR. JONES?

8 MR. JONES:

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD OBJECT TO THE WITNESS MAKING A STATEMENT AT THIS TIME.

9 THE COURT:

WELL, SHE'S YOUR CLIENT, COUNSEL. DO YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH HER A MOMENT?

10 MR. JONES:

NO. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HER LEAVE THE STAND.

11 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MISS LOPEZ, YOUR ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO ME AT THIS POINT.

12 THE WITNESS:

I JUST -- I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE ROOM YOU RENTED FOR ME, SIR.

KEY QUOTE
13 THE COURT:

YOU ARE WELCOME. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING PAID BY MR. COCHRAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

14 MR. JONES:

NOT MR. JONES OR HIS WIFE, YOUR HONOR.

15 THE COURT:

NO.

16 MR. DARDEN:

YOUR HONOR, BEFORE MISS LOPEZ LEAVES THE COURTROOM --

17 THE COURT:

YES. HOLD ON.

18 THE INTERPRETER:

JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.

19 MR. DARDEN:

-- I WOULD ASK THAT THE COURT ORDER MISS LOPEZ TO RETURN.

20 THE COURT:

WELL, THE PURPOSE OF CONDUCTING A CONDITIONAL EXAMINATION IS UPON THE REPRESENTATION THAT SHE IS LEAVING THE JURISDICTION. WE HAVE NOW PRESERVED HER TESTIMONY. CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE WHY I SHOULD DO THAT?

21 MR. DARDEN:

YES, YOUR HONOR. THE TESTIMONY CAN'T BE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE JURY UNLESS MISS LOPEZ IS ACTUALLY UNAVAILABLE TO TESTIFY.

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22 THE COURT:

THAT'S CORRECT.

23 MR. DARDEN:

OKAY.

24 THE COURT:

THERE HAS TO BE A FINDING UNDER SECTION 240.

25 MR. DARDEN:

I THINK I'M DOING THE DEFENSE A FAVOR IN ASKING TO HAVE HER ORDERED BACK.

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26 MR. COCHRAN:

WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THAT FAVOR, YOUR HONOR.

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27 MR. DARDEN:

I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T.

28 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO DECLINE -- I'M GOING TO DECLINE MAKING THE ORDER AT THIS TIME.

29 MS. CLARK:

AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR IT'S THE DEFENSE REQUEST.

30 THE COURT:

THE RECORD IS CLEAR. GOOD LUCK, MISS LOPEZ. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

31 THE WITNESS:

THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE VERY KIND. I APPRECIATE THIS.

32 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MISS HAMBURGER, MR. JONES, THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

33 MS. HAMBURGER:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Christopher Darden
THE TESTIMONY CAN'T BE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE JURY UNLESS MISS LOPEZ IS ACTUALLY UNAVAILABLE TO TESTIFY.
Identifies the legal catch with conditional examinations — preserved testimony requires a finding of unavailability to be admissible, giving Darden leverage to complicate the defense's use of Lopez.
Johnnie Cochran
WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THAT FAVOR, YOUR HONOR.
Cochran sees through Darden's framing — the 'favor' of ordering Lopez back would actually undercut the defense's ability to control how her testimony is presented.
Christopher Darden
I THINK I'M DOING THE DEFENSE A FAVOR IN ASKING TO HAVE HER ORDERED BACK.
Sardonic framing — Darden is actually trying to deprive the defense of the preserved testimony as a standalone exhibit by forcing live testimony instead.
The Witness
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE ROOM YOU RENTED FOR ME, SIR.
Reveals that Lopez was housed during her testimony, with costs covered by Cochran — a minor but humanizing detail about witness logistics.

Notable Exchanges (2)

Christopher DardenJohnnie CochranLance A. Ito
Darden argues Lopez must be ordered to return so the prosecution can challenge her unavailability before her preserved testimony can be used; Cochran declines the 'favor'; Ito denies the order.
strategic
Lance A. ItoMr. JonesThe Witness
Lopez attempts to address the court; her own attorney blocks it; she gets out a thank-you anyway.
light

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito / Mr. Jones / The Witness
Lopez thanks Ito for 'the room you rented for me'; Ito clarifies Cochran is actually paying for it; Jones quips it is not him or his wife.

Objections

1 objections (0 sustained, 0 overruled)
Proceeding 5137 • 33 utterances
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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