Christopher Darden cross-examined Rosa Maria Lopez, a neighbor of OJ Simpson, using a recorded tape of her interview with defense investigator Bill Pavelic (People's 94) to expose contradictions between her trial testimony and her earlier statements about when she walked her dog and saw the Bronco parked outside Simpson's house. Lopez repeatedly insisted she only ever said 'after 10:00,' even as the tape captured her agreeing to specific times (10:15, 10:20, 10:30, and 11:00 p.m.) suggested by Pavelic. The examination concluded with a damaging allegation that Lopez had offered a witness named Sylvia $5,000 to testify for the defense — which Lopez flatly denied, calling Sylvia '100 percent' a liar.
# 1 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND 92-A TO MISS LOPEZ AND ASK HER TO INDICATE WITH AN "X" HER EXACT LOCATION THE LAST TIME SHE SAW THE BRONCO.
# 2 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. AND I TAKE IT YOU HAVE A MARKER FOR HER TO USE?
# 3 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, IF YOU WILL, WILL YOU PLEASE PLACE A DOT AT THE EXACT LOCATION THAT YOU WERE THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THE BRONCO.
# 4 MR. COCHRAN: AT WHAT POINT, YOUR HONOR? VAGUE.
# 5 MR. DARDEN: THAT -- SOMETIME AFTER 10:00 CLOCK.
# 6 (THE WITNESS COMPLIES.) # 7 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE WITNESS HAS COMPLIED AND PLACED A BLUE DOT.
# 8 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AND SO YOU'VE INDICATED ON THE DOCUMENT MARKED 92-A THAT YOU WERE IN THE STREET, CORRECT?
# 9 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. MISSTATES WHAT SHE SAID.
# 10 UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: YOUR HONOR, COULD WE HAVE THE INTERPRETER PUT THE MICROPHONE ON?
# 12 MR. DARDEN: WHAT WAS THE ANSWER?
# 13 THE COURT: HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. SHE FORGOT TO PUT THE MICROPHONE ON. MADAM INTERPRETER.
# 14 ROSA LOPEZ: I SAID NOT ON THE STREET.
# 15 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, DID YOU MARK THE STREET IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH MARKED 92-A?
# 16 A: IF I -- YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT IN -- INSIDE THE BUSHES, SIR, I WILL PUT IT IN THE BUSHES THERE BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE BUSHES, SIR.
# 17 Q: OKAY. YOU WERE IN THE BUSHES? OKAY. THE FIRST MARK YOU MADE YOU MADE WITH A BLUE MARKER; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 18 THE INTERPRETER: I AM SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
# 19 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: THE FIRST MARK YOU MADE ON 92-A WAS MADE WITH A BLUE MARKER, CORRECT?
# 20 THE COURT: MR. DARDEN, LET'S USE A RED. IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPRESSED THAN GREEN.
# 21 ROSA LOPEZ: WITH THIS ONE (INDICATING).
# 22 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: LET ME HAND YOU A RED MARKER. AND AGAIN, LET ME ASK YOU TO INDICATE YOUR EXACT LOCATION THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THE BRONCO WHICH YOU SAY WAS SHORTLY AFTER 10:00 P.M. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, LET ME INDICATE TO YOU THAT IF YOU WERE IN THE BUSHES, INDICATE IT IN THE BUSHES. BUT THE EXACT LOCATION THIS TIME.
# 23 A: I WAS RIGHT HERE, SEE? THIS IS THE STREET AND THIS IS THE BUSH ON THE STREET (INDICATING).
# 24 MR. DARDEN: OKAY. SHE HAS MADE A RED MARK ON THE DIAGRAM, YOUR HONOR.
# 25 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 26 ROSA LOPEZ: I WILL GIVE IT TO YOUR HONOR.
# 27 THE COURT: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
# 28 ROSA LOPEZ: UP TO MY HONOR.
# 29 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: YOU TOLD US THAT YOU SPOKE TO A DETECTIVE ON THE MORNING OF JUNE 13?
# 31 Q: OKAY. AND YOU WERE BEHIND THE SECURITY DOOR WHEN THAT DETECTIVE CAME TO THE DOOR, CORRECT?
# 33 Q: HAD YOU EVER SEEN THAT DETECTIVE BEFORE?
# 35 Q: OKAY. DID THAT DETECTIVE TELL YOU HIS NAME?
# 37 Q: OKAY. AND YOU REMEMBERED THAT NAME, CORRECT?
# 39 Q: OKAY. DID YOU KNOW THE DETECTIVE'S NAME WHEN YOU SPOKE TO MR. PAVELIC THE FIRST TIME?
# 40 A: I TOLD HIM THAT I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE IT FOR HIM.
# 41 Q: WHEN YOU SPOKE TO MR. PAVELIC, DID YOU DESCRIBE THE DETECTIVE?
# 43 Q: YOU TOLD MR. PAVELIC HOW TALL THE DETECTIVE WAS?
# 45 Q: DID YOU TELL MR. PAVELIC HOW MUCH THE DETECTIVE WEIGHED?
# 46 A: HE DIDN'T ASK ME, SIR.
# 47 Q: DID YOU TELL THE DETECTIVE WHETHER OR -- STRIKE THAT. DID YOU TELL MR. PAVELIC WHETHER OR NOT THE DETECTIVE HAD A MUSTACHE?
# 48 A: THEY DIDN'T ASK ME, SIR.
# 49 Q: YOU WATCHED THE PRELIMINARY HEARING ON TELEVISION, CORRECT?
# 50 A: I THINK THE WHOLE WORLD HAS SEEN IT, SIR.
KEY QUOTE # 51 Q: OKAY. YOU WATCHED IT -- STRIKE THAT. DID YOU WATCH IT ON THE TELEVISION LOCATED IN YOUR BEDROOM?
# 53 Q: AND YOU SAW DETECTIVE MARK FUHRMAN TESTIFY, CORRECT?
# 54 A: I DIDN'T SEE ALL OF IT, SIR. JUST PART, JUST A PART OF IT.
# 55 Q: OKAY. BUT YOU SAW DETECTIVE FUHRMAN ON TELEVISION, CORRECT?
# 57 Q: OKAY. AND YOU SAW KATO KAELIN ON TELEVISION?
# 59 Q: AND YOU SAW THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER ALLAN PARK ON TELEVISION?
# 60 THE INTERPRETER: LIMOUSINE WHAT? I AM SORRY.
# 61 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AND YOU SAW THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER, MR. PARK, ON TELEVISION?
# 62 A: I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY PARTS OF IT, SIR, BECAUSE I CAN'T JUST BE WATCHING TELEVISION. I HAVE TO WORK.
# 63 Q: BUT YOU SAW THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER ON TELEVISION, RIGHT?
# 64 A: I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU, SIR, THAT I CAN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 65 Q: OKAY. SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER TESTIFY, CORRECT?
# 66 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR.
# 67 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 68 THE INTERPRETER: CAN I PLEASE HAVE THE QUESTION READ BACK?
# 69 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER TESTIFY AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING?
# 70 A: TELL HIM THAT I DON'T JUST WATCH T.V., THAT I HAVE TO WORK.
# 71 Q: SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER TESTIFY AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING?
# 72 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 73 THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE ANSWER HAS BEEN NONRESPONSIVE.
# 74 ROSA LOPEZ: SIR, I CAN NOT JUST SIT AROUND WATCHING TELEVISION, SIR.
# 75 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER TESTIFY AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING, CORRECT?
# 76 A: SIR, I HAVE TO CLEAN THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE LADY WANTS HER HOUSE CLEANED AND I HAVE TO WORK, SIR.
# 77 MR. DARDEN: MOTION TO STRIKE, YOUR HONOR.
# 78 THE COURT: NO. MISS LOPEZ, WHEN YOU WERE WATCHING THE PRELIMINARY HEARING, DO YOU RECALL SOMEBODY TESTIFYING WHO WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE DRIVER OF THE LIMOUSINE?
# 79 ROSA LOPEZ: YOUR HONOR, I CAN NOT SEE THE ENTIRE PRELIMINARY HERE BECAUSE I HAVE TO WORK, SIR.
# 80 THE COURT: AT THIS TIME, DO YOU RECALL SEEING THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER TESTIFY?
# 81 ROSA LOPEZ: I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR.
# 82 THE COURT: NEXT QUESTION.
# 83 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU SEE THE PEOPLE THAT FOUND THE DOG THAT NIGHT TESTIFY?
# 84 MR. COCHRAN: IT'S VAGUE, YOUR HONOR. IT'S VAGUE.
# 85 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 86 ROSA LOPEZ: NOT ALL OF IT, SIR, BECAUSE AS I'VE TOLD YOU, I CAN'T WATCH T.V. ALL DAY LONG, SIR.
# 87 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. BUT YOU HEARD PEOPLE TESTIFY THAT THEY HEARD A DOG BEGIN BARKING AT APPROXIMATELY 10:15 P.M., CORRECT?
# 88 MR. COCHRAN: MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE, YOUR HONOR.
# 89 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 90 ROSA LOPEZ: IT SEEMS, YES, SIR.
# 91 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 92 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AND THE STATEMENT YOU GAVE MR. BILL WAS GIVEN AFTER THE PRELIMINARY HEARING, CORRECT?
# 93 A: I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR.
# 94 Q: WELL, DO YOU RECALL WATCHING THE PRELIMINARY HEARING SOMETIME AROUND JULY 4?
# 95 A: I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE, SIR, BECAUSE I WASN'T -- I WASN'T KEEPING UP.
# 96 Q: OKAY. BUT YOU DID SPEAK TO MR. BILL SOMETIME AFTER THE PRELIMINARY HEARING CONCLUDED?
# 97 A: I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR.
# 98 Q: OKAY. WELL, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO MR. BILL, YOU KNEW WHICH TIMES WERE CRITICAL.
# 99 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 100 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 101 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHEN YOU SPOKE TO MR. BILL, YOU KNEW HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO SHOW THAT THE BRONCO WAS AT MR. SIMPSON'S HOUSE AT 10:15?
# 103 Q: IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IMPORTANT, WHY DID YOU TALK TO MR. BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
# 104 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION. THAT'S ARGUMENTATIVE. OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION; ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 105 THE COURT: REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 106 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: IF YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT 10:15 WAS AN IMPORTANT TIME, WHY THEN DID YOU FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT YOU SPEAK TO MR. BILL?
# 107 MR. COCHRAN: SAME OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 108 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. ASSUMING FACTS THAT ARE NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 109 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAD -- STRIKE THAT.
# 110 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, SHE TESTIFIED YESTERDAY THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT, THAT THE INFORMATION WAS IMPORTANT.
# 111 MS. CLARK: YES, SHE DID.
# 112 MR. COCHRAN: IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 113 THE COURT: THE COURT STANDS CORRECTED. OVERRULED. EXCUSE ME. ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN.
# 114 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. IF YOU DIDN'T THINK THE INFORMATION YOU HAD WAS IMPORTANT, WHY THEN DID YOU AGREE TO SPEAK TO MR. BILL?
# 115 A: BECAUSE I TOLD MICHELLE AND MICHELLE TOLD ME TO TALK TO -- WITH KATHY.
# 116 Q: SO YOU SPOKE TO --
# 117 A: I DIDN'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS.
# 118 Q: WELL, YOU TOLD US A MOMENT AGO THAT YOU NEVER TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU SAW THE BRONCO AT 10:15.
# 119 A: I DID GIVE HIM A SPECIFIC TIME.
# 120 Q: OKAY. WHAT SPECIFIC TIME DID YOU GIVE HIM?
# 121 A: I SAID AFTER 10:00, SIR.
# 124 THE INTERPRETER: ONE MOMENT.
# 125 (CONFERENCE BETWEEN INTERPRETERS.) # 126 THE INTERPRETER: CORRECTION. THE ANSWER WAS, "I DID NOT GIVE HIM A SPECIFIC TIME."
# 127 MR. DARDEN: IS THE INTERPRETER CORRECTING THE PREVIOUS ANSWER?
# 128 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE QUESTION AND ANSWER AGAIN.
# 129 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. WHAT SPECIFIC TIME DID YOU GIVE MR. BILL?
# 130 A: I TOLD HIM AFTER 10:00, SIR.
# 131 MR. DARDEN: OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A PORTION OF A TAPE, OKAY? I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THE TAPE PEOPLE'S 94.
# 132 THE COURT: PEOPLE'S 94, CASSETTE TAPE.
# 133 (PEO'S 94 FOR ID = CASSETTE TAPE) # 134 MR. DARDEN: AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THE TAPED INTERVIEW THAT THE WITNESS HAD WITH MR. BILL PAVELIC. I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A PORTION OF IT INITIALLY AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY THE ENTIRE TAPE UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION FROM MR. COCHRAN.
# 135 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LET'S HEAR THE -- AND THE COURT STAFF PREPARED A TRANSCRIPT OF THAT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT -- NO. I'VE GOT MINE UP HERE.
# 136 MR. DARDEN: INITIALLY, I'M GOING TO PAY -- PLAY RATHER PAGE 7, LINES --
# 137 THE COURT: JUST SO COUNSEL CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
# 138 MR. DARDEN: -- LINES 7 THROUGH --
# 139 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I POINT OUT SOMETHING TO THE COURT ON PAGE 3? MAYBE COUNSEL -- THERE'S A WORD THAT'S WRONG.
# 140 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU CONFER WITH MR. DARDEN.
# 141 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 142 THE COURT: DO WE HAVE THE TAPE CUED UP TO THAT SPOT?
# 143 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YES, YOUR HONOR. I JUST WANT TO CHECK AND SEE IF IT'S AT THE RIGHT POINT.
# 144 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. AND I AM SORRY, MR. DARDEN. WHAT WAS THE PAGE ON THE TRANSCRIPT?
# 145 MR. DARDEN: IT'S GOING TO BE PAGE 7, LINES 7 THROUGH 11.
# 146 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS THE COURT'S TRANSCRIPT WE'RE WORKING FROM?
# 147 MR. DARDEN: YEAH. THE COURT'S TRANSCRIPT.
# 148 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 149 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, IF HE'S GOING TO -- I PRESUME HE IS GOING TO PLAY THIS PORTION, THEN PLAY THE ENTIRE TAPE AFTER THAT; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 150 MR. DARDEN: YES. WHY NOT?
# 151 (AT 10:50 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 94 FOR IDENTIFICATION, A PORTION OF AN AUDIOTAPE WAS PLAYED.) # 152 (AT 10:50 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE ENDED.) # 153 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WAS THAT YOUR VOICE ON THE TAPE?
# 155 Q: SO YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU TOOK YOUR DOG FOR A WALK AT 10:20?
# 156 A: IF THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, 10:15, 10:20, THAT'S FINE FOR ME.
# 157 Q: WELL, YOU SAID 10:15 OR 10:20, CORRECT?
# 158 A: I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC TIME, SIR. I SAID AFTER 10:00. AND I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR. WHEN I HEARD MY NAME ON TELEVISION WITH 10:15, 10:20 TIME, I CALLED MR. JOHNNIE COCHRAN'S OFFICE AND I SAID I HAVE NEVER GIVEN THEM A SPECIFIC TIME. THANK YOU.
# 159 MR. DARDEN: WHY DON'T WE PLAY THE TAPE FROM THE BEGINNING, YOUR HONOR.
# 160 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN, YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY THE ENTIRE TAPE?
# 161 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 162 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ --
# 163 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE JURY MAY HEAR THE TAPE, CAN WE PUT THE TRANSCRIPT ON THE ELMO?
# 164 THE COURT: WELL, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. WHY DO I WANT TO PUT THE TRANSCRIPT ON THE ELMO AT THIS POINT?
# 165 MR. COCHRAN: WELL, PRESUMABLY AT SOME POINT, THE JURY MAY HEAR THIS AND THE OTHER TIMES WE'VE ALSO HAD THE TRANSCRIPT WHERE THE JURY'S BEEN PRESENT. I'M JUST SAYING THEY MAY BE HERE AT SOME POINT FOR THIS TESTIMONY.
# 166 THE COURT: WELL, IF THEY ARE, WE'LL GIVE THEM THE TRANSCRIPT.
# 167 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. THIS TRANSCRIPT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, YOUR HONOR, ALSO.
# 168 THE COURT: I AGREE. BUT MY STAFF MADE THIS TRANSCRIPT IN 20 MINUTES.
# 169 MR. COCHRAN: I UNDERSTAND.
# 170 MR. DARDEN: A VERY FINE TRANSCRIPT, YOUR HONOR.
# 171 THE COURT: INDEED IT IS.
# 172 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, REGARDING THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE TO MR. BILL ON THE TAPE YOU JUST HEARD --
# 174 Q: -- AT ONE POINT, YOU SAID, "I TOOK THE DOG AT 10:00," AND THEN THERE WAS A PAUSE, CORRECT?
# 176 Q: AND WE CAN HEAR PAPER --
# 177 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 178 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 179 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. WELL, CAN YOU HEAR --
# 180 THE COURT: AND ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 181 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. WELL, DID YOU HEAR A SOUND ON THE TAPE BETWEEN THE TIME THAT YOU SAID 10:00 AND THEN THE TIME THAT YOU SAID 10:20?
# 182 A: I DON'T PAY ATTENTION, SIR.
# 183 Q: OKAY. LET ME PLAY IT AGAIN FOR YOU, AND LET ME ASK YOU TO PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME, PLEASE.
# 184 (AT 10:54 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 94 FOR IDENTIFICATION, A PORTION OF AN AUDIOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) # 185 (AT 10:54 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE ENDED.) # 186 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU HEAR A NOISE IN BETWEEN YOUR 10:00 AND 10:20?
# 188 Q: DID MR. BILL SHOW YOU A TIME WRITTEN ON A PIECE OF PAPER AT THAT POINT?
# 190 Q: DID HE POINT TO THE WORDS OR THE NUMBERS 10:20?
# 192 Q: OKAY. WELL, AFTER YOU MENTIONED 10:20, OKAY, YOU THEN SAID 10:15.
# 194 Q: OKAY. WHY DID YOU SAY 10:15?
# 195 A: BECAUSE I SAID AFTER 10:00, SIR, AND I NEVER GAVE THEM A SPECIFIC TIME, SIR.
# 196 Q: OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE PLAYING THE TAPE, YOUR HONOR, UNTIL WE GET TO LINE 19 ON PAGE 7.
# 197 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 198 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, WE'RE GOING TO PLAY SOME MORE OF THE TAPE. I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.
# 200 (AT 10:55 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 94 FOR IDENTIFICATION, A PORTION OF AN AUDIOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) # 201 (AT 10:55 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE ENDED.) # 202 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU HEAR ON THE TAPE MR. PAVELIC SAY 10:30?
# 203 A: I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, SIR.
# 204 Q: DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF AGREE WITH MR. PAVELIC WHEN HE SAID 10:30?
# 205 MR. COCHRAN: THE TAPE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
# 206 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 207 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR IT AGAIN?
# 209 THE COURT: TURN THE VOLUME DOWN JUST A TAD.
# 210 (AT 10:56 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 94 FOR IDENTIFICATION, A PORTION OF AN AUDIOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) # 211 (AT 10:56 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE ENDED.) # 212 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, OBJECTION. THAT IS NOT CLEAR, 10:15, 10:30. IT'S NOT CLEAR, AND BASED UPON THAT, THE TAPE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
# 213 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 214 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU HEAR MR. BILL MENTION 10:30 THERE ON THE TAPE?
# 215 A: HE CAN MENTION ANYTHING HE WANTS, SIR.
# 216 Q: OKAY. BUT DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF AGREE WITH HIM AND SAY "YEAH"?
# 217 A: BUT I NEVER TAKE THE DOG OUT AT 10:30, SIR. IT'S TOO LATE FOR ME.
# 218 Q: YOU DON'T TAKE THE DOG OUT AT 10:15 EITHER, DO YOU?
# 219 A: I SAID AFTER 10:00 AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MINUTES, SIR.
# 220 Q: OKAY. THROUGHOUT THE INTERVIEW YOU HAD WITH MR. BILL, HE KEPT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, DIDN'T HE?
# 221 A: I DON'T KNOW, SIR, IF HE PUT THEM THERE BECAUSE I TOLD HIM WHAT I KNEW.
# 222 Q: WELL, DID YOU TELL HIM THAT THE --
# 223 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, MAY I INTERRUPT COUNSEL FOR JUST A MOMENT? WE'VE AGREED ON A CHANGE AND PERHAPS MR. DARDEN DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, THIS PART ABOUT PAVELIC. PERHAPS HE CAN CONSULT WITH HIS COLLEAGUES. WE AGREED YESTERDAY TO A CHANGE, THAT THAT'S WHAT PAVELIC HAD SAID. PERHAPS HE CAN CONSULT WITH THEM AND DIRECT IT TO THE WITNESS.
# 224 MR. DARDEN: THAT'S WITH THE TRANSCRIPT?
# 226 MR. DARDEN: THE TRANSCRIPT IS NOT EVIDENCE.
# 227 THE COURT: NOT YET.
# 228 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 229 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, THE AGREEMENT FOR PURPOSES OF THIS HEARING I SUPPOSE IS THAT MR. PAVELIC STATES AT LINE 18 OF PAGE 7, "10:20, 10:30, OKAY," AND AT LINE 19, MISS LOPEZ RESPONDS, "YEAH."
# 230 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 231 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID MR. PAVELIC SUGGEST TO YOU CERTAIN TIMES?
# 233 Q: OKAY. LET'S LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE TAPE, OKAY? WE'LL BEGIN. CAN WE PROCEED, YOUR HONOR?
# 234 THE COURT: YES, PLEASE.
# 235 (AT 10:59 A.M., PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 94 FOR IDENTIFICATION, AN AUDIOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) # 236 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, COULD WE STOP IT?
# 237 MR. DARDEN: NO, NO, NO, NO.
# 238 (AT 10:59 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE CONTINUES.) # 239 (AT 11:14 A.M., THE PLAYING OF THE AUDIOTAPE ENDED.) # 240 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, DID MR. BILL EVER READ TO YOU THE WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT HE WROTE OUT?
# 242 Q: WAS IT DURING THAT INTERVIEW THAT YOU MENTIONED SYLVIA?
# 244 Q: DO YOU KNOW THE DATE WHICH YOU GAVE THAT INTERVIEW TO MR. BILL?
# 245 A: I THINK IT WAS JULY, JUNE.
# 246 THE COURT: MICROPHONE, MR. DARDEN.
# 247 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: YOU'RE NOT SURE OF THE DATE?
# 249 Q: ARE YOU SURE OF THE EXACT TIME IN WHICH THAT INTERVIEW BEGAN?
# 250 A: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE HOUR, SIR.
# 251 Q: OKAY. YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU LOOKED OUTSIDE AND YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON'S BENTLEY LEAVING; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 253 Q: OKAY. AND WHEN YOU TESTIFIED HERE THE OTHER DAY, YOU TOLD US THAT YOU COULD SEE A BLOND-HAIRED PASSENGER IN THE CAR, CORRECT?
# 255 Q: SO YOU WERE INSIDE YOUR HOUSE WHEN YOU SAW THE CAR PASS?
# 257 Q: YOU WERE IN YOUR BEDROOM?
# 259 Q: SO YOU WERE STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW?
# 261 Q: WELL, WERE YOU LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WATCHING?
# 262 A: NO, SIR. I WENT OUT TO THE GUEST ROOM TO TURN ON LIGHTS.
# 263 Q: OH, AND YOU WERE OUTSIDE?
# 265 Q: OKAY. AND YOU LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW AND YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON'S CAR PASS?
# 267 Q: AND THIS IS 9:00 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IS IT?
# 268 A: APPROXIMATELY. I NEVER GAVE THEM AN EXACT TIME. I ALREADY TOLD YOU SO, SIR.
# 269 Q: WELL, DIDN'T YOU TELL MR. BILL THAT IT WAS BETWEEN 8:30 AND 9:00 O'CLOCK?
# 270 A: THAT'S IT, BETWEEN 8:30 AND 9:00, SIR. THAT'S NOT THE EXACT TIME, SIR.
# 271 Q: YOU DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME.
# 272 A: YES, I KNOW THE EXACT TIME, BUT I NEVER GIVE YOU THE EXACT TIME BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE, SIR.
# 273 Q: AND WHAT IS THE EXACT TIME?
# 274 A: YOU CAN SAY 9:00, SIR.
# 275 Q: OKAY. BUT YOU'RE NOT SURE THOUGH?
# 276 A: I'M SURE IT WAS 9:00, SIR.
# 277 Q: YOU JUST TOLD US A MOMENT AGO THAT YOU NEVER GAVE AN EXACT TIME BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T SURE.
# 278 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, THAT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 279 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 280 ROSA LOPEZ: AS YOU SAY, SIR, BETWEEN 8:30 AND 9:00 AND I SAID TO YOU BETWEEN 8:30 AND 9:00.
# 281 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. NOW, YOU UNDERSTAND, MISS LOPEZ, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T SAY A TIME JUST BECAUSE I SAY THE TIME, CORRECT?
# 283 Q: OKAY. NOW, IT WAS DARK AT 9:00 P.M. THAT NIGHT, CORRECT?
# 285 Q: OKAY. AND THE WINDOW WHERE YOU WERE STANDING IS ABOUT A HUNDRED AND 40 FEET FROM THE STREET, CORRECT?
# 286 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION.
# 287 THE COURT: OVERRULED. SHE CAN ANSWER IF SHE KNOWS.
# 288 ROSA LOPEZ: I DON'T KNOW, SIR, HOW LONG -- FAR IT'S IN FEET.
# 289 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. BUT FROM YOUR POSITION INSIDE THE HOUSE, YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT THE PASSENGER IN MR. SIMPSON'S VEHICLE HAD BLOND HAIR?
# 290 A: I ONLY SAW PART OF THE HAIR, SIR.
# 291 Q: BUT YOU COULD TELL THAT IT WAS BLOND?
# 293 Q: FROM THAT DISTANCE?
# 295 Q: NOW, MR. SIMPSON'S CAR PASSED THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT?
# 297 Q: OKAY. AND AS THE CAR PASSED YOUR HOUSE, YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, RIGHT?
# 299 Q: SO MR. SIMPSON WAS SEATED IN THE CHAIR CLOSEST TO YOU?
# 301 Q: COULD YOU SEE THROUGH MR. SIMPSON AND SEE THE MAN IN THE PASSENGER SEAT?
# 302 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR. IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 303 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 304 ROSA LOPEZ: WELL, IT CAN BE SEEN, SIR.
# 305 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: I'M SORRY?
# 306 THE INTERPRETER: IT CAN BE SEEN, SIR.
# 307 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: IT CAN BE SEEN. YOU TOLD MR. BILL OR RATHER YOU AGREED WITH MR. BILL WHEN HE SAID THAT IT WAS KATO KAELIN THAT WAS IN THE CAR, CORRECT?
# 308 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT. THAT MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY, YOUR HONOR.
# 309 THE COURT: OVERRULED. IT'S ON THE TAPE.
# 310 MR. DARDEN: CAN WE HAVE AN ANSWER?
# 311 ROSA LOPEZ: I NEVER TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS KATO KAELIN.
# 312 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: BUT YOU AGREED WITH MR. BILL WHEN HE SAID THAT THE PERSON WAS KATO KAELIN, CORRECT?
# 313 A: IF THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, SIR. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS. PERHAPS HE KNEW BETTER, MORE THAN I DID.
# 314 Q: AND YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU SAW THE BRONCO PARKED AT 11:00 P.M., CORRECT?
# 315 A: THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, SIR, NOT I.
# 316 Q: WELL, WHEN HE SAID THAT YOU SAW IT AT 11:00 O'CLOCK, YOU AGREED WITH HIM, CORRECT?
# 317 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 318 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 319 ROSA LOPEZ: I NEVER AGREED ON ANYTHING, SIR. HE WOULD SAY THAT AND I WOULD SAY, "WELL, OKAY."
KEY QUOTE # 320 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHEN YOU SAID, "WELL, OKAY," YOU WERE AGREEING WITH MR. PAVELIC'S STATEMENT, CORRECT?
# 321 A: IF THAT'S WHAT IT SAID, SIR.
# 322 Q: WELL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MISS LOPEZ?
# 324 Q: OKAY. SO YOU SAW THE BRONCO AT 11:00 O'CLOCK?
# 325 A: NO, SIR. I NEVER SAID 11:00, SIR.
# 326 Q: OKAY. LET ME READ TO YOU A QUESTION AND ANSWER. WHAT COCHRAN: WHAT PAGE?
# 327 MR. DARDEN: PAGE 8, LINES 1 THROUGH 6.
# 328 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. DO YOU RECALL --
# 329 THE INTERPRETER: EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. DO YOU WANT ME TO TRANSLATE SIMULTANEOUSLY OR --
# 330 THE COURT: CONSECUTIVELY, PLEASE.
# 331 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND GIVING THE FOLLOWING ANSWERS? AND THESE QUESTIONS WERE BY MR. PAVELIC. "QUESTION: SO YOU SAW THE CAR PARKED THERE THE WHOLE TIME?" YOUR ANSWER WAS: "YES." MR. PAVELIC ASKED: "LET'S SAY FROM 8:30 ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL 11:00 O'CLOCK." YOUR RESPONSE WAS: "YES." DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS AND GIVING THOSE RESPONSES?
# 332 A: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT HE TOLD ME 11:00, SIR.
# 333 Q: OKAY. WELL, YOU JUST HEARD A TAPE HERE IN COURT A MOMENT AGO, CORRECT?
# 335 Q: OKAY. AND THAT WAS YOUR VOICE ON THE TAPE, CORRECT?
# 337 Q: DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF ON THE TAPE AGREE WITH MR. PAVELIC WHEN HE SAID THAT YOU SAW THE BRONCO ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL 11:00 O'CLOCK?
# 338 A: I NEVER TOLD HIM THAT I HAD SEEN THE BRONCO AT 11:00 O'CLOCK, SIR, BUT IF IT SAYS YES, THEN I SAY YES.
# 339 Q: WELL, IF YOU SAID YES THEN, WERE YOU TELLING THE TRUTH?
# 340 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION.
# 341 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 342 ROSA LOPEZ: I'VE NEVER -- I NEVER WAS LOOKING AT -- OUT INTO THE STREET AT 11:00, SIR.
# 343 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. WELL, WHEN YOU AGREED WITH MR. PAVELIC THAT YOU HAD SEEN THE BRONCO AT 11:00 O'CLOCK, YOU WERE LYING, WEREN'T YOU?
# 344 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT. YOUR HONOR, OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION. IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 345 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 346 ROSA LOPEZ: NO, SIR, BECAUSE I NEVER TOLD HIM THAT I HAD SEEN IT AT 11:00 O'CLOCK, SIR. HE TOLD ME, SIR.
# 347 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. AND WHEN HE TOLD YOU, YOU AGREED WITH HIM, DIDN'T YOU?
# 348 A: IF HE SAID SO, SIR.
# 349 Q: NOW, YOU'VE TOLD US HERE IN COURT THAT YOU HAD NOT WALKED THE DOGS AT 10:15 OR 10:20.
# 351 Q: BUT YOU TOLD MR. PAVELIC MORE THAN ONCE THAT YOU DID WALK THE DOG AT 10:15 OR 10:20, CORRECT?
# 352 A: I TOLD HIM AFTER 10:00. I NEVER GAVE HIM THE EXACT TIME.
# 353 Q: WELL, YOU JUST HEARD YOUR VOICE ON THE TAPE, CORRECT?
# 355 Q: OKAY. AND DIDN'T YOU HEAR YOURSELF TELL MR. BILL THAT YOU WALKED THE DOG AT 10:15 OR 10:20?
# 356 A: BUT AS I TOLD YOU, SIR, THAT I SAW MY CLOCK AT 10:00 O'CLOCK; AND AFTER THAT, I BOILED MY WATER AND I MADE MY TEA, I TOOK THE COLLAR OFF THE DOG, FEMALE CONNOTATION, AND I PUT THE LEASH ON AND THEN WE GO OUT. THE EXACT MINUTES I DON'T KNOW, SIR (IN BROKEN ENGLISH).
# 357 Q: BUT YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU TOOK THE DOG OUT AT 10:15 OR 10:20, CORRECT?
# 358 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 359 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 360 ROSA LOPEZ: IF THAT WAS IT, SIR, THEN THE ENTIRE -- YOU CALCULATE IT.
# 361 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. MISS LOPEZ, YOU HEARD YOUR VOICE ON THE TAPE, RIGHT?
# 363 Q: DIDN'T YOU TELL MR. BILL THAT YOU TOOK THE DOG OUT FOR A WALK AT 10:15 OR 10:20?
# 364 MR. COCHRAN: THE TAPE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, YOUR HONOR. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 365 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 366 ROSA LOPEZ: WELL, YES, BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW THE EXACT TIME. I SAID BETWEEN 10:15 AND 10:20.
# 367 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. SO YOU DID SAY 10:15 AND 10:20?
# 368 A: YES, BECAUSE I SAID AFTER 10:00.
# 369 Q: OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAID 10:15 OR 10:20, YOU SAID THAT KNOWING THAT YOU -- THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW THE EXACT TIME?
# 370 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT, YOUR HONOR. THAT'S ARGUMENTATIVE. SHE SAID AFTER 10:00. OBJECT, YOUR HONOR.
# 371 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 372 MR. DARDEN: SHE JUST SAID THAT, YOUR HONOR.
# 373 THE COURT: IT'S ARGUMENTATIVE. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 374 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHEN YOU SAID 10:15 OR 10:20, DID YOU SAY THAT KNOWING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME?
# 375 MR. COCHRAN: ARGUMENTATIVE, YOUR HONOR.
# 376 THE COURT: NOT AS IT'S PHRASED. OVERRULED.
# 377 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR, BECAUSE I NEVER GAVE THE EXACT TIME, SIR.
# 378 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU TOOK MORE THAN ONE DOG OUT FOR A WALK, CORRECT?
# 379 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, THAT MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE.
# 380 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 381 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT.
# 382 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 383 ROSA LOPEZ: THERE'S ONLY ONE DOG IN THAT HOUSE, SIR.
# 384 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHEN MR. BILL SAID OR RATHER ASKED YOU AT PAGE 10: "QUESTION: THEN AT ABOUT 10:15 OR 10:20, YOU TAKE THE DOGS FOR A WALK," YOUR RESPONSE IS, QUOTE, "TO A WALK, YES."
# 385 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I BE HEARD, YOUR HONOR, ON THAT? UNFAIR. MIGHT I BE HEARD? OBJECTION.
# 386 THE COURT: OVERRULED. YOU CAN CLEAN IT UP ON CROSS-EXAMINATION IF YOU FEEL IT'S DIFFERENT. THE TAPE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
# 387 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: SO YOU AGREE WITH MR. BILL WHEN SAID THAT YOU ACTUALLY TOOK MORE THAN ONE DOG OUT FOR A WALK?
# 388 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. MISSTATES.
# 389 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 390 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DIDN'T YOU?
# 391 A: SIR, THERE'S ONLY ONE DOG. HOW AM I GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE UP? MAYBE HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ME, SIR.
KEY QUOTE # 392 Q: WELL, YOU UNDERSTOOD HIM, DIDN'T YOU?
# 394 Q: ARE YOU SAYING NOW THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS MR. BILL ASKED YOU?
# 395 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION. IT'S VAGUE, ARGUMENTATIVE.
# 396 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 397 ROSA LOPEZ: I DIDN'T SAY ABOUT THE QUESTIONS. IT'S NOT THAT THEY SAY IT'S ABOUT THE DOGS. THEY ONLY HAVE ONE DOG AND YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT.
# 398 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AT ANY TIME THAT NIGHT OTHER THAN WHEN YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON DRIVE AWAY IN HIS CAR, DID YOU SEE MR. SIMPSON?
# 400 Q: OKAY. YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM PLAYING GOLF IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT NIGHT?
# 401 A: I'VE NEVER SAID THAT I'VE SEEN HIM PLAY GOLF.
# 402 Q: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM PLAY GOLF?
# 403 A: I KNOW HE PLAYS GOLF BECAUSE MICHELLE TOLD ME, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY.
# 404 Q: SO YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM PLAYING GOLF IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE THAT NIGHT?
# 405 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE, HE'S PLAYING GOLF.
# 406 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 407 ROSA LOPEZ: NO, SIR.
# 408 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 409 MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?
# 410 THE COURT: CERTAINLY.
# 411 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH. MAY IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 9 --
# 414 (PEO'S 95 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 415 MR. DARDEN: I'VE SHOWN IT TO DEFENSE COUNSEL.
# 416 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 417 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, IF YOU WOULD JUST TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR MONITOR FOR A MOMENT. IS THAT THE MAN THAT CAME TO YOUR HOUSE THE MORNING OF JUNE 13TH?
# 419 Q: AND YOU WATCHED THIS MAN TESTIFY YOU SAY?
# 420 A: I SAW PART OF IT, A LITTLE.
# 421 Q: OKAY. AND DID YOU SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE ON TELEVISION?
# 422 A: I SAW HIM IN PERSON SITTING ON THE CHAIR, ON THIS CHAIR WHERE I AM, SIR.
# 423 Q: OKAY. AND YOU SAW HIS NAME JUST LIKE IN THE PICTURE THERE?
# 424 A: HE SAID SO, SIR.
# 425 Q: WELL, DURING YOUR INTERVIEW WITH MR. PAVELIC, HE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO MENTION THE NAME MARK FUHRMAN, CORRECT?
# 427 Q: YOU COULDN'T RECALL THE DETECTIVE'S NAME, CORRECT?
# 428 A: I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME, SIR.
# 429 Q: SO THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR, WAS 9:30 P.M. THE ONLY TIME THAT YOU HEARD FOOTSTEPS GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE AIR-CONDITIONER?
# 430 A: THEY WERE IN THE DIRECTION OF THE GARAGE.
# 431 Q: AND YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT THE FOOTSTEPS WERE GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE AIR-CONDITIONER, RIGHT?
# 432 MR. COCHRAN: BAD DIRECTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 433 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 434 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: CORRECT?
# 435 THE COURT: YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
# 436 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
# 437 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT TO MR. BILL, DID YOU KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THE AIR-CONDITIONER WAS LOCATED?
# 439 Q: OKAY. YOU'VE SEEN THE AIR-CONDITIONER BEFORE?
# 441 Q: BUT IT WAS MR. BILL WHO FIRST MENTIONED THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, CORRECT?
# 442 A: MAYBE HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO MENTION IT, SIR.
# 443 MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? I THINK I'M ALMOST DONE. PERHAPS I AM.
# 444 THE COURT: CERTAINLY.
# 445 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 446 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: MISS LOPEZ, DID YOU SEE THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT --
# 448 Q: -- ON TELEVISION?
# 451 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 452 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WHEN YOU SPOKE TO MR. BILL AND DURING YOUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN SEEMED TO BE A NICE MAN.
# 453 MR. COCHRAN: WHAT PAGE?
# 454 MR. DARDEN: PAGE 11, LINE 26 AND 27.
# 455 THE COURT: TOLD PAVELIC THAT FUHRMAN WAS A NICE MAN.
# 456 MR. COCHRAN: WHAT PAGE, WHAT LINE?
# 457 THE COURT: BOTTOM LINE.
# 458 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: BUT YOU ONLY SPOKE TO HIM FOR 10 SECONDS, CORRECT?
# 459 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, JUST A MOMENT. MISSTATES -- THAT MISSTATES THE TRANSCRIPT.
# 460 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 461 ROSA LOPEZ: I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING SAID THAT IT WAS -- HE WAS A NICE PERSON.
# 462 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT HIM?
# 463 A: I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM, WHATEVER WAS CORRECT.
# 464 Q: YOU DIDN'T TELL DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU SAW THE BRONCO PARKED OUTSIDE AT 10:15?
# 466 Q: OKAY. YOU DIDN'T TELL DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU WALKED THE DOG SOMETIME AFTER 10:00 CLOCK?
# 467 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. SHE WASN'T ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. OBJECTION.
# 468 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 469 ROSA LOPEZ: NO, SIR.
# 470 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: YOU DIDN'T TELL DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON LEAVE WITH A BLOND-HAIRED PERSON?
# 472 Q: YOU DIDN'T TELL DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD A PROWLER?
# 473 A: I DIDN'T SAY A PROWLER. I SAID FOOTSTEPS, SIR.
# 474 Q: BUT YOU TOLD MR. BILL THAT YOU HEARD A PROWLER, CORRECT?
# 475 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR.
# 476 THE COURT: I THINK WE'VE GONE OVER THIS. WE'VE GONE OVER THIS ALREADY.
# 477 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. ALL YOU TOLD MR. --
# 478 THE INTERPRETER: EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. I DIDN'T HEAR THE RULING OF THE COURT.
# 479 THE COURT: WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS ALREADY. SUSTAINED.
# 480 MR. DARDEN: MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT?
# 481 THE COURT: CERTAINLY.
# 482 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 483 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: THE ONLY THING THAT YOU TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN --
# 484 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THIS QUESTION, THE ONLY THING.
# 485 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 486 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: -- WAS THAT YOU HEARD SOMEONE TALKING AT 9:00 O'CLOCK AND AT 11:00 O'CLOCK?
# 487 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT COUNSEL IS READING. WE DON'T HAVE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
# 488 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU APPROACH WITH THE --
# 489 MR. DARDEN: IT IS IN THE COURT'S TRANSCRIPT, YOUR HONOR.
# 490 MR. COCHRAN: I THOUGHT HE WAS READING NOTES IN FRONT OF HIM.
# 491 THE COURT: REFERRING TO THE TRANSCRIPT?
# 492 MR. DARDEN: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 493 MR. COCHRAN: WHERE ARE YOU, COUNSEL?
# 494 MR. DARDEN: PAGE 13, LINE 10.
# 495 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: SO THE ONLY THING THAT YOU TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN WAS THAT YOU HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING?
# 496 A: I TOLD HIM THAT I HEARD VOICES AND THAT I HAD HEARD NOISES.
# 497 Q: WELL, IT WAS MR. BILL WHO SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT YOU TOLD FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD NOISES?
# 498 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION. SHE JUST TESTIFIED -- ARGUMENTATIVE, THE FORM.
# 499 MR. DARDEN: IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE TRANSCRIPT.
# 500 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 501 ROSA LOPEZ: WHAT WAS THAT?
# 502 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: IT WAS DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT SUGGESTED TO YOU -- I'M SORRY. I MISSPOKE. IT WAS MR. BILL THAT SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT YOU TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD SOME NOISES?
# 503 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION.
# 504 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 505 ROSA LOPEZ: I WAS THE ONE THAT TOLD HIM SIR, NOT HIM.
# 506 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: YOU HEARD THE TAPE OF YOUR INTERVIEW WITH MR. PAVELIC, RIGHT?
# 508 Q: AND DID YOU HEAR YOURSELF STATE TO MR. BILL THAT YOU TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING FROM 9:00 O'CLOCK TO 11:00 O'CLOCK?
# 510 Q: OKAY. AND AFTER YOU SAID THAT --
# 511 MR. DARDEN: I'M DIRECTING COURT AND COUNSEL TO PAGE 13, LINE 13.
# 512 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: AND AFTER YOU SAID THAT, MR. BILL ASKED: "SO YOU TOLD HIM THAT YOU HEARD SOME NOISES," AND YOU RESPONDED: "YES."
# 513 MR. COCHRAN: I'M GOING TO OBJECT. THAT'S NOT IMPEACHING, YOUR HONOR.
# 514 THE COURT: OVERRULED. IS THERE A QUESTION AFTER THAT?
# 515 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
# 516 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: SO IT WAS MR. BILL WHO FIRST MENTIONED OR SUGGESTED THAT YOU TOLD FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD NOISES?
# 517 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION. LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE. THAT'S ARGUMENTATIVE, THE QUESTION.
# 518 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 519 ROSA LOPEZ: NO, SIR. I WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD HIM, SIR.
# 520 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: WELL, THE NOISES THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ARE THE VOICES YOU HEARD; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 521 A: WHEN I SAY NOISES, THEY -- IT'S ABOUT FOOTSTEPS AND VOICES, SIR. I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT I HAD HEARD, SIR.
# 522 Q: WELL, YOU NEVER TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN THAT YOU HEARD FOOTSTEPS?
# 523 A: HE NEVER ASKED ME, SIR.
# 524 THE INTERPRETER: I AM SORRY. I DIDN'T GET THAT COMPLETE QUESTION. YOU NEVER TOLD DETECTIVE FUHRMAN --
# 525 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: THAT YOU HEARD FOOTSTEPS.
# 526 A: BECAUSE HE DIDN'T ASK ME.
# 527 Q: OKAY. NOW, DID MICHELLE ASK YOU IF YOU HEARD FOOTSTEPS?
# 528 A: I DON'T REMEMBER IF SHE ASKED ME.
# 529 Q: OKAY. NOW, HOW MANY DAYS AFTER THE MURDER OF NICOLE BROWN AND RON GOLDMAN WAS IT THAT YOU SPOKE TO MICHELLE?
# 530 A: A FEW DAYS AFTER.
# 531 Q: OKAY. WOULD THAT BE TWO OR THREE DAYS AFTER?
# 532 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 533 Q: WOULD IT BE SOMETHING LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS?
# 534 A: IT'S THAT I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR.
# 535 Q: COULD IT HAVE BEEN AS LONG AS A WEEK AFTER THE MURDERS?
# 536 A: I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR.
# 537 Q: BUT IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER?
# 538 A: A LITTLE AFTER THAT, YES.
# 539 Q: OKAY. AND THEN IT WAS WHAT, JULY 29 THAT YOU FIRST SPOKE TO MR. BILL?
# 541 Q: AND SO SEVERAL WEEKS TRANSPIRED BETWEEN THE TIME THAT YOU SPOKE TO MICHELLE AND YOUR CONVERSATION WITH MR. BILL?
# 542 A: YES. ABOUT -- MAYBE, SIR.
# 543 Q: AND YOUR MEMORY BEGAN TO FADE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, RIGHT?
# 544 A: I DON'T THINK MY MEMORY FAILS ME, SIR.
KEY QUOTE # 545 Q: I AM SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT ANSWER?
# 546 A: I DON'T THINK MY MEMORY FAILS ME, SIR. AND IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, ANYBODY CAN SAY, "I DON'T REMEMBER," AND IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, YOU DON'T REMEMBER. IT'S NOT THAT IT FAILS ME.
KEY QUOTE # 547 Q: YOU SAW OR RATHER YOU HAD THE INTERPRETER READ TO YOU THE REPORT PREPARED BY MR. BILL ON JULY 29, 1994.
# 549 Q: OKAY. AND THAT REPORT MENTIONS SYLVIA, CORRECT?
# 551 Q: AND IT'S YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU DID NOT MENTION SYLVIA'S NAME TO MR. BILL DURING THAT JULY 29 INTERVIEW?
# 553 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 554 Q: BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU TELL MR. BILL ABOUT SYLVIA DURING A PHONE CALL?
# 555 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 556 Q: DID YOU TELL MICHELLE ABOUT SYLVIA?
# 558 Q: DID YOU TELL SYLVIA THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED HER NAME TO MR. SIMPSON'S LAWYERS?
# 559 A: I DIDN'T TELL HER THAT I HAVE MENTIONED HER NAME. SHE SAID THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO -- SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE CRIME.
# 560 Q: SHE TOLD YOU THAT SHE WAS NOT WITH YOU AT 8:30 OR AT 9:00 O'CLOCK, RIGHT?
# 561 A: THAT'S WHAT SHE SAYS, SIR, BUT SHE WAS RIGHT THERE AT MY HOUSE.
# 562 Q: WELL, HAVE YOU HEARD THE TAPED INTERVIEW SYLVIA HAD?
# 564 Q: THE INTERVIEW SHE HAD WITH THE DETECTIVES?
# 566 Q: OKAY. AND DURING THAT INTERVIEW, SYLVIA STATED --
# 568 Q: -- THAT YOU TOLD HER THAT THE LAWYERS WERE GOING TO GIVE YOU $5,000 AND THAT SHE COULD ALSO GET $5,000 IF SHE TESTIFIED FOR MR. SIMPSON.
# 569 A: I NEVER SAID THAT, SIR, TO HER.
# 570 Q: SYLVIA IS LYING?
# 571 A: 100 PERCENT, SIR.
# 572 Q: AND YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH?
# 576 MR. DARDEN: THAT'S ALL I HAVE, YOUR HONOR.