BY MR. COCHRAN: AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, THE LAST THING THAT YOU DID WITH MR. SIMPSON WAS YOU SHOOK HANDS WITH HIM AND THEN YOU TOOK YOUR LEAVE; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND YOU HAD HAD A RATHER PLEASANT ENCOUNTER WITH HIM; IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY, BASED UPON THE FACT YOU GOT HIM THERE ON TIME AND EVERYTHING WENT WELL?
AND FIRST OF ALL, WITH REGARD TO THE GOLF BAG THAT WAS TAKEN OVER HERE, THIS WAS THE FIRST NIGHT THAT YOU HAD EVER SEEN MR. O.J. SIMPSON; ISN'T THAT CORRECT, IN YOUR LIFE, ON JUNE 12TH?
AND IN YOUR FIRST MEETING WITH MR. SIMPSON HE DIDN'T SHARE WITH YOU HIS LIFE SECRETS ABOUT HIM HAVING RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DID HE?
NOW, SIR, WITH REGARD TO QUESTIONS YOU WERE ASKED, YOU WERE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE IN A HURRY AND YOU INDICATED TO MISS CLARK AT SOME POINT THAT YOU WERE IN FACT IN A HURRY AGAIN BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO GET MR. SIMPSON TO THE AIRPORT ON TIME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
YOU PREVIOUSLY TOLD US ALREADY THAT AT SOME POINT YOU DROVE PERHAPS AS FAST AS 75 OR 80 SO COULD YOU ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOAL?
YOU RECALL MISS CLARK ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE LOOKING OR PAYING ATTENTION TO MR. SIMPSON'S BODY OR HIS HAND. DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE QUESTIONS?
YOU WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED, WOULD YOU HAVE NOT, IF MR. SIMPSON HAD A BAND-AID, A LARGE BAND-AID ON THIS LEFT KNUCKLE HERE? IT WOULD STAND OUT? YOU WOULD REMEMBER THAT, WOULDN'T YOU?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE TIME YOU WERE WAITING AND TRYING TO GET INSIDE THE ASHFORD GATE, WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT YOUR ATTENTION AT THAT TIME WAS -- YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO LOCATE SOMEBODY INSIDE THE PREMISES AND REACHING YOUR CLIENT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
IN FACT, SO MUCH SO THAT YOU NOT ONLY CALLED YOUR BOSS, BUT YOU ALSO CALLED YOUR MOTHER; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND WHEN YOU TESTIFIED AT THE GRAND -- AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING AS FOLLOWS, COUNSEL AGAIN AT PAGE 40 --
WERE YOU ASKED THESE QUESTIONS AND GAVE THESE ANSWERS TO MISS CLARK? "WHAT GATE DID YOU LEAVE FROM? "ANSWER: THE ROCKINGHAM GATE. "QUESTION: AND WHICH WAY DID YOU GO ON ROCKINGHAM AS YOU EXITED THE GATE? "ANSWER: I MADE A LEFT. "QUESTION: DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER ANY CARS WERE PARKED ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU FACED THE DRIVEWAY OF ROCKINGHAM OUTSIDE THE RESIDENCE?" YOUR ANSWER WAS: "I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE.
"QUESTION: YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT THE PARKED CARS?" AND YOUR ANSWER WAS: "YEAH." YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT PARKED CARS THAT NIGHT BECAUSE YOUR FOCUS WAS ON SOMETHING ELSE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AS YOU TOLD US BEFORE, YOU CAN'T BE POSITIVE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY PARKED CARS PARKED THERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE GATE WHEN YOU CAME OUT OF THAT GATE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND WHEN YOU TESTIFIED AT THE GRAND JURY IN THAT CONNECTION, YOU WERE AGAIN TRYING TO BE AS ACCURATE AND AS FACTUAL AS YOU COULD, WERE YOU NOT?
COUNSEL, LET'S BEGIN AT PAGE 270, ABOUT LINE 21. AND LET'S GO OVER TO PAGE 272, LINE 14. "QUESTION:" --
BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED THESE SERIES OF QUESTIONS BY MISS CLARK ON JUNE 17, 1994? "QUESTION: WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE SUSPECT'S HOUSE, WHAT DRIVEWAY EXIT DID YOU USE, ASHFORD OR ROCKINGHAM? "ANSWER: ROCKINGHAM. "QUESTION: WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CAR PARKED ON THE STREET NEXT TO THAT GATE? "ANSWER: THERE WAS A VEHICLE TO MY LEFT. WHEN I WAS EXITING I NOTICED I HAD TO LOOK AROUND A VEHICLE. I NEVER NOTICED WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE IT WAS. I DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT, BUT THERE WAS A VEHICLE THERE. "QUESTION: YOU SAY A VEHICLE TO YOUR LEFT. THAT WOULD BE THE AREA I AM INDICATING WITH MY PEN -- "ANSWER: CORRECT. "WHY DON'T YOU MARK THAT. "YOU SAID YOU NOTICED THE VEHICLE DOWN THERE? "ANSWER: YES. "(WITNESS COMPLIES.) "GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. "YOU EXITED OUT OF THE GATE THAT FEEDS ONTO ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT RIGHT? "ANSWER: YES. "SO YOU WERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR CAR, RIGHT? "ANSWER: YES. "AND YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE GATE? "ANSWER: THAT'S CORRECT. "SO YOU ARE LOOKING TO YOUR LEFT FOR TRAFFIC, FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC? "ANSWER: YEAH, BOTH WAYS. "QUESTION: DID YOU ATTEMPT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE WHETHER THE CARS WERE PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY" I PRESUME THAT MEANS TO THE RIGHT SIDE. "ANSWER: THERE WERE NO CARS."
BY MR. COCHRAN: "DID YOU ATTEMPT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE WHETHER CARS WERE PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY? "ANSWER: THERE WERE NO CARS. "QUESTION: ARE YOU SURE? "ANSWER: I'M PRETTY SURE. "QUESTION: DID YOU MAKE AN EFFORT TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE WERE ANY CARS THERE? "ANSWER: I LOOKED TO THE RIGHT TO SEE IF WERE ANY CARS COMING DOWN THE STREET. "I'M ASKING IF YOU LOOKED TO -- MADE AN EFFORT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A CAR PARKED? "ANSWER: NO." WAS THAT A CORRECT ANSWER AT THAT TIME?
ALL RIGHT. "QUESTION: THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CAR PARKED THERE AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT? "ANSWER: CORRECT." AND THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IS BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T FOCUSING ON ANY CARS OR PAYING ANY ATTENTION; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?
BY MR. COCHRAN: BASICALLY YOUR GOAL WAS TO GET MR. O.J. SIMPSON -- TRY TO GET HIM TO THE AIRPORT ON TIME, ISN'T IT?
WELL, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. LET'S SEE. WELL, LET'S START WITH MY QUESTION FIRST. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE ENGINE OF ANY FORD BRONCO?
WELL, OLDER CARS SEEM TO -- SOME OF THE OLDER BRONCOS SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOUDER THAN THE NEW ONES.
ALL RIGHT. AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THOSE ENGINES CAN BE LOUD ON OCCASION, THOSE CARS?
YOU DIDN'T HEAR THE ENGINES ON ANY CARS OR ANYTHING THAT SOUNDED LIKE A FORD BRONCO THAT NIGHT, DID YOU?
NOW, MISS CLARK ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS FIGURE THAT WAS WALKING INTO THE WALKWAY THERE, OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? AND YOU RECALL THAT, AS YOU HAVE TESTIFIED FOR US, THE FIGURE WAS WALKING TOWARDS THE DOOR WHEN YOU FIRST OBSERVED THAT FIGURE, RIGHT?
AND YOU TOLD US THAT THAT FIGURE WAS ATTIRED IN SOMETHING DARK AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A ROBE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS; IS THAT CORRECT?
SO YOU NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE HEM OF A ROBE SWIRLING AROUND OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, DID YOU?
AND WITH REGARD TO THIS TIME FRAME, YOU SHARED WITH US THAT IT WAS YOUR BELIEF THAT FROM THE TIME THAT YOU SAW THIS FIGURE TO THE TIME THAT YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON COME DOWN WITH A BAG, WHICH WE NOW KNOW IS THE LOUIS VITTON BAG, ONE OF THE DEFENDANT'S EXHIBITS, ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MINUTES, HAD PAST; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
YOU HAVE DONE THAT THROUGHOUT YOUR TESTIMONY HERE, GIVE US YOUR HONEST AND BEST ESTIMATE ISN'T THIS RIGHT, SIR?
YOU HAVE DONE THAT WITH REGARD TO THAT FIVE OR SIX-MINUTE PERIOD OF TIME; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?
WHEN YOU WERE SHOWN PEOPLE'S 112 FOR IDENTIFICATION, THE FOYER AREA OF THE SIMPSON RESIDENCE THERE, DO YOU RECALL ON THAT NIGHT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS EVER A RUG ANYWHERE IN THAT FOYER AREA WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE, WHEN YOU WERE INSIDE THERE?
YOU RECALL THAT YOU WALKED SOME TWO TO THREE FEET IN THERE YOURSELF BUT YOU DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A RUG OF ANY KIND; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?
NOW, YOU NEVER WENT OUT AND LOOKED AND YOU WERE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT LOOKING IN THE PLAY YARD FOR GOLF BALLS. YOU NEVER DID THAT, DID YOU?
BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU DIDN'T GO AROUND LOOKING IN MR. SIMPSON'S PREMISES FOR ANY GOLF BALLS, DID YOU?
BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU CAME THERE TO PICK HIM UP AND YOU LEFT AS SOON AS YOU COULD; IS THAT RIGHT?
YOU WERE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ON REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MISS CLARK REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THIS SMALLER BAG THAT WAS SOME TWENTY FEET AWAY FROM YOU. DO YOU RECALL THAT?
AS YOU THINK BACK IN YOUR MIND'S EYE, CAN YOU TELL US HOW FAR THAT SECOND BAG WAS AWAY FROM THE SECOND CAR, IF THE SECOND CAR WAS THERE?
IN OTHER WORDS, SO IF WE -- IF WE COULD PUT THAT DIAGRAM UP, IT WOULD BE BEHIND WHERE YOU BELIEVE THE SECOND -- THE BACK BUMPER OF THE SECOND CAR?
AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, MR. KATO KAELIN HAD PLACED THE GOLF CLUBS IN THE BACK OF THE LIMOUSINE AT ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT RIGHT?
AND WITH REGARD TO THESE GOLF CLUBS THAT HAVE NOW BEEN MARKED AS ONE OF OUR EXHIBITS -- 1063 FOR IDENTIFICATION?
BY MR. COCHRAN: IT IS YOUR BELIEF THAT AS YOU LIFTED THE ITEMS THAT YOU LIFTED THAT NIGHT, APPEARED ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT AS THAT?
IT IS YOUR TESTIMONY THAT WHEN YOU LIFTED THIS ITEM ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12, 1994, IT APPEARED TO BE ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?
AND THIS MORNING YOU REMEMBER I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INSIGNIA OF THE SWISS ARMY BRAND LIMITED. WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR TESTIMONY AT ALL IF I WERE TO TELL YOU THAT --
KEY QUOTEJUST SEEMED TO BE DARK CLOTHING. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING.
THERE WERE NO CARS. ... I'M PRETTY SURE.
NO.
AND THIS MORNING YOU REMEMBER I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR INSIGNIA OF THE SWISS ARMY BRAND LIMITED. WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR TESTIMONY AT ALL IF I WERE TO TELL YOU THAT --