Brian Park, the limousine driver who took OJ Simpson to LAX on the night of June 12, 1994, testified about his observations at Rockingham before departure. He described a small, dark duffel bag that appeared on the driveway near the Rockingham gate — a bag OJ insisted on retrieving himself — which was not seen at the airport. Park also noted that Simpson repeatedly complained of being hot despite mild 68-70 degree weather, and was visibly sweating upon arrival at LAX.
# 1 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) # 2 MR. COCHRAN: I WILL WITHDRAW THE OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 3 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
# 4 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 5 THE COURT: MISS CLARK.
# 6 THE COURT: I THINK WE WERE DISCUSSING MR. KAELIN.
# 7 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 8 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU FIRST PULLED INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND GOT OUT OF THE CAR, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. KAELIN?
# 10 Q: AND DID HE ASK YOU A QUESTION?
# 12 Q: WHAT DID HE ASK YOU?
# 13 A: HE ASKED ME IF I FELT AN EARTHQUAKE.
# 14 Q: DID YOU FEEL ONE?
# 16 Q: DID YOU HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT THAT SUBJECT?
# 18 Q: HOW DID HE APPEAR TO YOU, HIS DEMEANOR WHEN HE WAS DISCUSSING THAT SUBJECT OF THE EARTHQUAKE?
# 19 A: HIS -- LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I HAVE NEVER MET THIS GUY, SO I -- HE SEEMED NORMAL TO ME.
# 20 Q: DID HE -- WAS HE EXCITED, CALM, NONCHALANT, HYPER?
# 21 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION. IF HE SAYS "YES," WE WON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
# 22 MS. CLARK: I AM ASKING HIM TO PICK ONE SO I WON'T BE LEADING.
# 23 THE COURT: LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE.
# 24 MS. CLARK: ONE OF THE ABOVE.
# 25 THE COURT: NO, I DON'T THINK IT WORKS QUITE THAT WAY.
# 26 MR. COCHRAN: I DON'T THINK SO. TRY AGAIN.
# 27 ALLAN PARK: IF ANYTHING, HE SEEMED CONCERNED.
# 28 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CONCERNED?
# 30 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU HAD THAT CONVERSATION? DID HE THEN ASK YOU FOR SOMETHING?
# 31 A: NOT AT THAT POINT, NO.
# 32 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 33 A: HE ASKED ME WHERE I DROVE UP FROM.
# 35 A: HE REFERRED TO SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS -- "IS O.J. RUNNING LATE" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THAT SENSE.
# 37 A: THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
# 38 Q: OKAY. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 39 A: UMM, I WAS STILL WAITING FOR THE DEFENDANT TO COME OUT. HE -- MR. KAELIN WALKED TO THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE.
# 40 Q: THAT IS AN AREA YOU CAN SHOW US ON THE DIAGRAM THAT HAS BEEN MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 66 -- E? THIS ONE WILL BE MARKED E, 66-E, YOUR HONOR.
# 41 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 42 (PEO'S 66-E FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 43 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU PLEASE DIRECT THE POINTER?
# 44 A: YES. IT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHERE THE WHITE LINE IS DRAWN, DOWN A LITTLE FARTHER TO THAT CORNER, RIGHT AROUND THERE, (INDICATING). A LITTLE FARTHER OUT ONTO THE DRIVEWAY, THOUGH. NO. BACK DOWN. RIGHT THERE, (INDICATING). THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE, (INDICATING).
# 45 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. CAN WE DO A "K.K." OR JUST ONE? THAT IS FINE.
# 46 Q: OKAY. WHAT DID HE DO WHEN HE GOT TO THAT CORNER OF THE GARAGE?
# 47 A: AT THAT POINT HE STOPPED AND I WAS OVER TOWARDS THE FRONT WALKWAY BY THE ENTRANCE, AND I WAS PETTING THE DOG.
# 48 Q: WHAT KIND OF DOG WAS THAT?
# 49 A: I THINK IT WAS A CHOW, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER.
# 50 Q: WHAT COLOR WAS IT?
# 52 Q: DID THAT DOG BARK AT YOU AT ALL?
# 56 Q: AND WHILE YOU WERE PETTING THE DOG, WHAT WAS MR. KAELIN DOING?
# 57 A: HE STARTED CALLING THE DOG. THE DOG WAS LIKING THE ATTENTION SO HE WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
# 58 Q: THE DOG STAYED WITH YOU, DID HE?
# 60 Q: THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 61 A: I THINK HE YELLED AT THE DOG A LITTLE LOUDER AND IT STARTED TO GO OVER TOWARD HIM. I WAS JUST WAITING. AT THAT POINT I WASN'T WATCHING WHETHER HE WALKED AROUND OR NOT.
# 62 Q: SO DID YOU START TO PUT THE BAGS IN THE CAR, EITHER IN THE TRUNK OR IN THE PASSENGER SEAT OR ANYTHING AT THAT POINT?
# 65 A: BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR MR. SIMPSON TO COME DOWN. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF HE WANTED TO TAKE THOSE BAGS.
# 66 Q: OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 67 A: AT ABOUT THAT TIME MR. SIMPSON CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE.
# 68 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT.
# 69 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 70 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS WEARING WHEN THE DEFENDANT CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE?
# 71 A: WHEN HE CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE HE HAD SOME STONE WASHED JEANS AND A WHITE-COLLARED SHIRT AND HE HAD A BLACK COAT WITH HIM. I DON'T REMEMBER IF HE WAS WEARING IT OR CARRYING IT.
# 72 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 73 A: HE CARRIED DOWN WHAT LOOKED LIKE A GUCCI BAG WITH HIM THAT FOLDED IN HALF, SEEMED TO BE SOME TYPE OF GARMENT BAG. HE CAME OUT AND SET THAT ON THE GROUND NEXT TO THE BAGS, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, AND FROM THERE I PICKED IT UP AND PUT THAT INTO THE TRUNK. AT THAT TIME I SEEM TO REMEMBER HE WALKED OVER TO THE CARS.
# 74 Q: OKAY. LET ME BACK YOU UP FOR A MINUTE. CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG IT WAS BETWEEN THE TIME YOU SAW THE SIX-FOOT 200-POUND PERSON DRESSED IN ALL DARK CLOTHING GO INTO THE HOUSE AND THE TIME YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON COME OUT THE FRONT ENTRANCE?
# 75 A: IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE OR SIX MINUTES.
# 76 Q: AND WHEN YOU HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH KATO AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE, SIR, DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE WHETHER HE HAD ANYTHING IN HIS HANDS?
# 77 A: YEAH. HE HAD A FLASHLIGHT.
# 78 Q: COULD YOU TELL WHETHER THE BEAM WAS DIM OR STRONG?
# 79 A: IT WAS PRETTY DIM. IT WAS A SMALL LIGHT.
# 80 Q: WHEN MR. SIMPSON DID COME OUT OF THE HOUSE, SIR, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM?
# 83 A: NOT THAT I REMEMBER, NO.
KEY QUOTE # 84 Q: HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO YOU?
# 85 A: NOT THAT I REMEMBER.
# 86 Q: OKAY. AND WHEN THE DEFENDANT CAME OUT, WHERE WAS KATO?
# 87 A: HE WAS OUT IN THE FRONT WITH ME ON THE DRIVEWAY.
# 88 Q: OKAY. WAS HE STANDING NEXT TO YOU OR WAS HE WALKING? CAN YOU TELL US?
# 89 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 91 A: I KNOW HE WAS OUT IN THE AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE.
# 92 Q: WAS HE COMING BACK FROM THE GARAGE AREA?
# 93 A: HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
# 95 A: I REMEMBER HIM SAYING, YOU KNOW, "HI, JUICE" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
# 96 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 97 A: AT THAT TIME I PUT THE GUCCI BAG INTO THE TRUNK AND FROM -- FROM WHAT I REMEMBER MR. SIMPSON WALKED OVER TO THE CARS, WHAT HE WAS DOING, GRABBING, I DON'T KNOW.
# 98 Q: WHEN YOU SAY "OVER TO THE CARS," WHAT DIRECTION DID YOU SEE HIM WALK IN?
# 99 A: TOWARD THE ROCKINGHAM GATE.
# 100 Q: OKAY. COULD YOU SEE IF HE WENT OUT THROUGH THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR NOT?
# 102 Q: YOU JUST SAW HIM WALK IN THAT DIRECTION?
# 104 Q: DID YOU HAPPEN -- THE GUCCI -- THE GARMENT BAG THAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING AS A GUCCI BAG, THE DEFENDANT DID NOT PUT THAT IN THE CAR HIMSELF?
# 106 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT AS LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR.
# 107 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 108 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT DID YOU SEE HIM DO WITH IT? WHEN HE BROUGHT IT DOWNSTAIRS, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THAT GARMENT BAG?
# 109 A: WHAT I REMEMBER, HE EITHER SET IT DOWN NEAR THE OTHER BAGS OR HE HANDED IT TO ME.
# 110 Q: OKAY. AND AFTER YOU PUT THAT BAG IN THE TRUNK, WHERE DID THE DEFENDANT GO?
# 111 A: TOWARD THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR IN THAT AREA.
# 112 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 113 A: UMM, WELL, WE STARTED PUTTING BAGS INTO THE CAR. HE WALKED OVER AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER GRABBED THE -- THE GOLF CLUBS.
# 118 Q: DID YOU SEE HIM CARRYING GOLF CLUBS WITH HIM?
# 119 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 120 Q: YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON WITH GOLF CLUBS?
# 121 A: WELL, I SAW HIM HAND THEM TO KATO.
# 122 Q: AND WHERE WAS THAT, THAT YOU SAW HIM HAND GOLF CLUBS TO KATO?
# 123 A: JUST TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE LIMOUSINE.
# 124 Q: AND WAS THAT AFTER HE HAD GONE DOWN IN THE DIRECTION OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 126 Q: AND WHAT DID KATO DO WITH THE GOLF BAG?
# 127 A: HE PUT THEM IN THE TRUNK.
# 128 Q: THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 129 A: AFTER THAT MR. SIMPSON WENT INTO THE HOUSE A FEW TIMES, TWO OR THREE TIMES HE WAS COMING IN AND OUT.
# 130 Q: DID YOU EVER SEE HIM BRING ANY MORE BAGS OUT?
# 134 Q: WAS THE GARMENT BAG THE ONLY BAG THAT HE BROUGHT OUT?
# 135 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, YES.
# 136 Q: OKAY. AND THAT WAS THAT -- WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT HE CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE THAT HE BROUGHT THAT BAG WITH HIM?
# 138 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION. THE FIRST TIME HE CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE? VAGUE, YOUR HONOR.
# 139 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 140 MS. CLARK: WHY IS THAT VAGUE?
# 141 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 142 ALLAN PARK: I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE FIRST OR THE SECOND.
# 143 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. WELL, HOW MANY BAGS DID THE DEFENDANT BRING OUT OF THE HOUSE WITH HIM?
# 147 Q: ALL RIGHT. AFTER THAT POINT HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE HIM GO IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE?
# 149 Q: OKAY. AND DID ANY MORE BAGS COME OUT WITH HIM? DID HE BRING ANY MORE BAGS OUT WITH HIM ON THOSE OCCASIONS?
# 151 Q: WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE WHAT HE WAS DOING INSIDE THE HOUSE WHEN HE WENT BACK IN?
# 153 Q: YOU INDICATED EARLIER THAT AT SOME POINT YOU SAW THE DEFENDANT WALK DOWN IN THE DIRECTION OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 155 Q: AFTER WHICH YOU SAW -- I THINK YOU SAID YOU SAW HIM COME BACK WITH GOLF CLUBS; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 156 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO RESTATING, NOT FOUNDATIONAL. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 157 THE COURT: I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN THAT OBJECTION. I THINK IT MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 159 Q: YOU SAID YOU SAW THE DEFENDANT GO DOWN TOWARD THE ROCKINGHAM GATE AT SOME POINT?
# 161 Q: OKAY. WHEN HE -- DID YOU SEE HIM AFTER HE WENT DOWN TOWARDS THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 163 Q: OKAY. DID HE HAVE ANYTHING IN HIS HANDS AT THAT POINT?
# 165 Q: OKAY. AND THOSE ARE THE GOLF CLUBS HE GAVE TO KATO?
# 167 Q: AFTER THAT, DID YOU SEE HIM GO BACK INTO -- AFTER GOING IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE A COUPLE TIMES DID EVER YOU SEE HIM GO BACK DOWN TO THE ROCKINGHAM GATE IN THAT -- NOT TO THE GATE, BUT IN THAT DIRECTION?
# 170 A: UMM, AFTER HE GOT THE GOLF CLUBS?
# 173 Q: DID YOU SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HE BROUGHT BACK WITH HIM AT -- ON EITHER THAT ONCE OR TWICE THAT HE WENT BACK IN THE DIRECTION OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE AFTER HE HAD GOTTEN THE GOLF CLUBS?
# 174 A: NOT THAT I REMEMBER, NO.
KEY QUOTE # 175 Q: IS IT THAT YOU DON'T REMEMBER OR THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH HIM WHEN HE CAME BACK?
# 176 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 177 Q: ALL RIGHT. AFTER THE -- AFTER KATO PUT THE GOLF CLUBS INTO THE TRUNK, DID SOMETHING EVER OCCUR WITH THE DUFFEL BAG THAT YOU SAW IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE WHEN YOU FIRST PULLED UP?
# 178 A: YES. IT WAS -- MR. SIMPSON WAS WALKING BY ONE OF THE TIMES, I ASKED HIM WHERE HE WOULD LIKE THOSE BAGS, IN THE TRUNK OR INSIDE THE CAR? HE ASKED ME TO PUT THEM INSIDE THE CAR.
# 179 Q: AND DID YOU DO THAT, SIR?
# 181 Q: DID YOU EVER RESUME YOUR CONVERSATION WITH KATO ABOUT THE NOISES, THE EARTHQUAKE?
# 182 A: YES. HE CAME BACK AND ASKED ME IF I -- IF I HAD A FLASHLIGHT, WHICH I WENT TO THE CAR TO CHECK AND AS I WAS CHECKING I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT -- HE THOUGHT -- WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE, HE TALKED ABOUT A PICTURE MOVING ON HIS WALL, THAT HE HEARD SOME THUMPS AND THAT HE WANTED A FLASHLIGHT SO HE CAN -- TO GO CHECK IT OUT. AND AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, I THINK HE WAS -- SOMEWHERE HE WAS REFERRING TO THE EARTHQUAKE, MR. SIMPSON OVERHEARD US, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, AND HE SAID -- AS A QUESTION HE SAID, "OH, WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE?" AS HE WAS WALKING BACK INTO THE HOUSE.
# 183 Q: AND THEN DID HE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. KAELIN?
# 184 A: AT THAT TIME? I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 185 Q: DID HE WALK INTO THE HOUSE AFTER MAKING THAT REMARK TO YOU, "OH, WE HAD AN EARTHQUAKE?"?
# 189 Q: AND WHAT DID KATO KAELIN DO AFTER MR. SIMPSON WALKED INTO THE HOUSE?
# 190 A: OH, I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T HAVE A FLASHLIGHT AND FROM THERE ON OUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE HE WENT. I DON'T KNOW IF HE WENT INTO THE HOUSE OR NOT AT THAT TIME.
# 191 Q: DID MR. SIMPSON COME BACK OUT OF THE HOUSE?
# 193 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 194 A: UMM, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, ONE OF THOSE TIMES THERE WAS A -- THERE WAS ANOTHER BAG ON THE DRIVEWAY.
# 195 Q: WHAT KIND OF BAG WAS THAT?
# 196 A: IT WAS ANOTHER -- SEEMED TO BE SMALL DUFFEL BAG.
# 197 Q: CAN YOU SHOW US WITH YOUR HANDS HOW BIG THAT BAG WAS?
# 198 A: FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER -- I SAW IT AT A DISTANCE. FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, IT WAS SMALLER THAN THE OTHER TWO. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, A FOOT AND A HALF -- ABOUT A FOOT A HALF. A FOOT AND A HALF BY A HALF A FOOT. IT WASN'T VERY BIG, (INDICATING).
# 199 Q: COULD YOU TELL WHAT COLOR IT WAS?
# 200 A: IT SEEMED TO BE DARK.
# 201 Q: WHERE DID YOU SEE IT?
# 203 Q: IF YOU CAN LOCATE THE AREA ON THIS DIAGRAM.
# 204 A: IT WAS OVER HERE ON THE ROCKINGHAM -- ON THE ROCKINGHAM DRIVEWAY A LITTLE FARTHER TOWARD THE HOUSE. KEEP GOING. UP TO -- GO UP A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT -- RIGHT AROUND THERE SOMEWHERE, (INDICATING).
# 205 MS. CLARK: COULD YOU PUT A "B" THERE FOR BAG.
# 206 Q: IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT, SIR?
# 208 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT.
# 209 THE COURT: AND THAT MARKING IS ON PEOPLE'S --
# 212 (PEO'S 66-E FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 213 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT DREW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT BAG?
# 214 A: WHAT -- WHEN -- I THINK IT WAS WHEN -- WHEN MR. SIMPSON GAVE KATO THE GOLF BAGS, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING IN THAT AREA. I SAW IT ON THE GROUND.
# 215 Q: OKAY. NOW, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT BAG?
# 216 A: UMM, IT WAS SOMETIME WHEN -- WHEN KATO WAS ASKING ME FOR A FLASHLIGHT, WE WERE STANDING AROUND THE CAR AND MR. SIMPSON CAME BACK OUT.
# 218 A: I COULDN'T REMEMBER. HE JUST CAME TOWARD THE CAR. WE WERE TOWARD THE BACK OF THE TRUNK.
# 219 Q: HE CAME TOWARD THE CAR. COULD YOU TELL IF HE CAME FROM THE ROCKINGHAM GATE LOCATION OR FROM THE HOUSE?
# 220 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 222 A: HE CAME OUT AND KATO OFFERED TO GO GET THE BAG AND HE SAID, "NO, NO, THAT IS OKAY. I'LL GET IT, I'LL GET IT."
KEY QUOTE # 224 A: SO HE WENT AND GOT THE BAG, AND AS HE WAS GETTING THE BAG I WALKED AROUND THE SIDE OF THE CAR TOWARD THE DRIVER'S SIDE AND I DON'T IF HE PUT THAT INSIDE THE CAR OR IN THE TRUNK. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
# 225 Q: OKAY. SO AFTER THE DEFENDANT SAID THAT HE WOULD GET IT, DID YOU SEE HIM WALK OVER TO THE BAG?
# 229 Q: DID YOU SEE HIM COME BACK WITH IT?
# 230 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THIS. HE JUST TESTIFIED TO ALL THIS. OBJECT. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 231 THE COURT: OVERRULED. OVERRULED.
# 232 Q: BY MS. CLARK: YOU CAN ANSWER.
# 233 A: UMM, YES. I DIDN'T -- WELL, ACTUALLY I DIDN'T SEE HIM COME BACK WITH IT. BUT HE CAME BACK TOWARD THE CAR, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF HE PUT IT INSIDE OR IN THE TRUNK.
# 234 Q: WHEN YOU SAY "INSIDE," YOU MEAN IN THE PASSENGER AREA?
# 236 Q: WHEN HE -- AFTER HE WENT AND PICKED UP THE BAG -- AFTER THE DEFENDANT WENT AND PICKED UP THE BAG, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU GO AROUND TO THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF YOUR CAR?
# 237 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 238 Q: WHERE WAS THE DEFENDANT WHEN YOU DID THAT?
# 239 A: WHEN I WALKED AROUND?
# 241 A: HE CAME BACK FROM WHERE THE BAG WAS.
# 243 A: TOWARDS THE -- TOWARD THE LIMOUSINE.
# 244 Q: SO THE DEFENDANT WAS ON HIS WAY BACK FROM PICKING UP THE BAG WHEN YOU WENT TO THE DRIVER'S SIDE?
# 245 A: YEAH. AS I WAS WALKING AROUND HE WAS COMING BACK.
# 246 Q: OKAY. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 247 A: UMM, AFTER THAT HE WENT BACK INTO THE HOUSE AND KATO WENT BACK IN WITH HIM AND THEY WERE STANDING IN THE ENTRANCE AREA OF THE HOUSE. WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW.
# 248 Q: WAS THAT IN THE -- INSIDE THE ENTRANCE AREA OF THE HOUSE?
# 250 Q: THEY APPEARED -- DID THEY APPEAR TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION?
# 252 Q: AT THE TIME THAT THE DEFENDANT CAME BACK FROM PICKING UP THAT BAG ON THE DRIVEWAY AREA, CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER THE CAR DOORS WERE OPENED OR CLOSED?
# 253 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, THAT MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE. MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE.
# 254 THE COURT: OVERRULED. OVERRULED.
# 255 Q: BY MS. CLARK: YOU CAN ANSWER.
# 256 A: FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER BOTH BACK DOORS WAS OPENED AND MY DRIVER'S DOOR WAS OPENED.
# 257 Q: AND WHAT ABOUT THE TRUNK, WAS IT OPENED OR CLOSED?
# 258 A: IT WAS STILL OPEN AT THAT TIME.
# 259 Q: SO WERE ALL THE DOORS AND TRUNK OPENED EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ON THE FRONT PASSENGER SIDE?
# 260 A: FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER AT SOME POINT THEY WERE. I MEAN --
# 261 Q: I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS POINT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE POINT WHEN THE DEFENDANT CAME BACK FROM HAVING PICKED UP THAT BAG ON THE DRIVEWAY TOWARD THE HOUSE.
# 262 A: I KNOW MY DRIVER'S DOOR WAS OPENED AND I KNOW THE DRIVER'S DOOR ON THE -- ON THE -- THE DRIVER'S DOOR ON THE -- THE BACK ONE, THE BACK DOOR ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE WAS OPENED ALSO. THE OTHER ONE, I CANNOT REMEMBER IF IT WAS OR NOT, AND THE TRUNK WAS OPENED.
# 263 Q: OKAY. COULD THE REAR PASSENGER DOOR HAVE BEEN OPENED AS WELL?
# 265 Q: AT THE POINT WHEN THE DEFENDANT WENT TO GET THAT BAG IN THE DRIVEWAY, WERE ALL THE OTHER BAGS LOADED INTO THE CAR?
# 267 Q: SO THAT WAS THE LAST ONE TO GO IN?
# 269 Q: AND WAS IT AFTER THAT POINT THAT HE WENT AND SPOKE TO KATO INSIDE THE ENTRANCE AREA OF THE HOUSE?
# 270 MR. COCHRAN: THIS IS LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE.
# 271 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 273 Q: BY MS. CLARK: HOW LONG DID HE AND KATO SPEAK IN THE ENTRANCE AREA OF THE HOUSE?
# 274 A: IT WAS -- IT WAS VERY BRIEF. THIRTY SECONDS, A MINUTE.
# 275 Q: AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 276 A: UMM, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, AFTER THAT THEY WERE -- THEY BOTH CAME WALKING OUTSIDE. MR. SIMPSON SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SEARCHING THE PROPERTY, ABOUT -- FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, FROM WHAT I HEARD WAS, "YOU GO AROUND ONE WAY AND I'LL GO AROUND THE OTHER." AT THAT TIME I CLOSED THE TRUNK AND THE DOORS, THE CAR DOORS, AND KATO WALKED OVER TO -- STARTED WALKING OVER TO THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE WHERE I POINTED WHERE HE WAS BEFORE, AND MR. SIMPSON STARTED TO GO KIND OF IN THAT -- THAT DIRECTION, AND I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW HIM. I WAS GOING TO GO JUST TO SEE IF THEY NEEDED ANY HELP. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS BACK THERE EITHER, SO I WAS GOING TO GO, AND AT THAT TIME MR. SIMPSON SAID, "WE GOT TO GO."
# 277 Q: OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY KATO WALKED DOWN TOWARD THE GARAGE, CAN YOU SHOW US ON THIS DIAGRAM THE AREA HE WAS WALKING TOWARDS, THE DIRECTION IN WHICH HE WAS WALKING?
# 278 A: FROM POINT A TO POINT B OR JUST THE DIRECTION?
# 279 Q: I GUESS JUST THE DIRECTION?
# 280 A: TO WHERE THE "K" IS WHERE YOU PUT "KATO."
# 281 Q: HE WAS WALKING TOWARDS THAT?
# 283 Q: OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE ARROW POINT THAT WAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WHERE DID HE START FROM?
# 285 Q: FIRST OF ALL, WHO WAS IT THAT SAID "YOU GO ONE WAY, I WILL GO THE OTHER"?
# 287 Q: AND WHERE WAS KATO AND MR. SIMPSON STANDING AT THAT TIME?
# 288 A: THEY WERE STANDING JUST A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK WHERE -- A LITTLE BIT TOWARD THE HOUSE.
# 291 THE COURT: YOU ARE MAKING ME SEASICK HERE.
# 292 ALLAN PARK: AM I LOOKING AT THE DOT OR THE ARROW?
# 293 MS. CLARK: THE DOT.
# 294 ALLAN PARK: IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN TOWARD THE GARAGE, TOWARDS THE GARAGE.
# 295 MS. CLARK: TOWARD THE GARAGE.
# 296 ALLAN PARK: IT WAS IN THAT AREA.
# 297 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ARE YOU GIVING UP?
# 299 Q: IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT?
# 301 Q: ALL RIGHT. THAT IS WHERE THEY STARTED FROM?
# 303 Q: OKAY. WHY DON'T WE PUT "K PLUS S."
# 304 MS. CLARK: OKAY. AND COULD WE PUT AN ARROW ON THAT TO INDICATE DIRECTION UNDERNEATH IT, IN BETWEEN THE -- THERE WE GO.
# 305 Q: CAN YOU TELL THE ARROW WHERE -- WHAT DIRECTION THEY WERE GOING IN. PUT THE ARROW WHERE YOU WANT TO, MR. PARK.
# 306 MR. COCHRAN: ASSUMES A FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE, YOUR HONOR.
# 307 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 308 MS. CLARK: WHAT FACT IS THAT?
# 309 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 311 ALLAN PARK: TO -- THE SAME WAY THE ARROW IS POINTING, BUT AROUND THE GARAGE.
# 312 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO CAN YOU MOVE THAT ARROW?
# 313 A: IN THAT DIRECTION, (INDICATING).
# 314 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AGAIN THIS IS ON 66-E.
# 315 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO WHO WAS IN THE LEAD WALKING SOUTH TOWARD THE GARAGE?
# 316 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, KATO.
# 317 Q: AND WAS MR. SIMPSON BEHIND HIM?
# 319 Q: DID MR. KAELIN HAVE THAT SAME FLASHLIGHT IN HIS HAND AS THE ONE YOU HAD SEEN IN HIS HAND EARLIER?
# 320 A: AT THAT POINT IN TIME I DON'T KNOW. HE MIGHT HAVE GAVE UP ON IT BY THEN. IT -- IT WASN'T VERY BRIGHT AT ALL.
# 321 Q: OKAY. AND THEN THE DEFENDANT -- AFTER THE DEFENDANT SAID, "WE GOT TO GO," WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 322 A: WE BOTH WENT TO THE CAR. I OPENED THE DOOR FOR HIM, LET HIM IN, AND GOT IN THE FRONT AND WE DROVE OFF.
# 323 Q: OKAY. DID YOU GO OVER AND CLOSE THE TRUNK OF THE CAR, SIR?
# 324 A: YES, BEFORE I STARTED TO WALK WITH THEM.
# 325 Q: BEFORE YOU STARTED TO GO WITH THEM SOUTH TOWARD THE GARAGE AREA?
# 327 Q: WHEN YOU CLOSED THE TRUNK OF THE CAR, DID YOU NOTICE WHICH BAGS WERE INSIDE THE TRUNK?
# 328 A: NO, I DIDN'T LOOK.
# 329 Q: YOU JUST CLOSED THE TRUNK?
# 331 Q: WHAT GATE DID YOU EXIT THROUGH?
# 332 A: THE ROCKINGHAM GATE.
# 333 Q: AND HOW WAS IT OPENED, IF YOU KNOW?
# 334 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, KATO OPENED IT.
# 335 Q: DO YOU RECALL WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU WENT OUT THROUGH THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 336 A: IT WAS AROUND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TEN AFTER, FIFTEEN AFTER 11:00.
# 337 Q: NOW, WHEN YOU EXITED THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, DID YOU -- WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING -- DID YOU LOOK OUT ONTO THE STREET?
# 338 A: YES. I WAS WATCHING FOR TRAFFIC.
# 339 Q: OKAY. AND WERE YOU LOOKING TO SEE WHICH CARS WERE PARKED ON THE CURB AT THAT TIME?
# 341 Q: AND YOUR -- YOU WERE ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE CAR, CORRECT?
# 343 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY TRAFFIC APPROACHING AS YOU EXITED THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 344 A: YES. FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THERE WAS A CAR COMING FROM THE SOUTH OR FROM NORTHBOUND HEADING SOUTH DOWN ROCKINGHAM.
# 345 Q: AND WHEN YOU SAW THAT CAR APPROACHING YOU COMING SOUTH -- COMING -- WAS IT COMING TOWARD YOU FROM THE NORTH?
# 347 Q: WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 348 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, I HAD TO EDGE OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR -- THERE WAS -- FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THERE WAS A CAR TO THE LEFT, AND WHEN HE CAME OUT, SOMETHING WAS OBSTRUCTING MY VIEW OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, AND I EDGED OUT AND I LET THE CAR GO BY AND THEN I LEFT.
# 350 A: I FOLLOWED IT DOWN.
# 351 Q: SO WHEN YOU SAW THE CAR APPROACHING THE ROCKINGHAM GATE GOING NORTH TO SOUTH, YOU INDICATED YOU SAW A CAR ON YOUR LEFT?
# 353 Q: YOU MEAN A CAR -- WAS IT A MOVING CAR OR WAS IT A PARKED CAR?
# 354 A: NO, IT WAS PARKED, IT WAS A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN.
# 357 Q: YOU SAID SOMETHING WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VISION ON THE RIGHT?
# 358 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT AS LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR.
# 359 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 360 Q: BY MS. CLARK: YOU SAID SOMETHING WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VIEW ON THE RIGHT?
# 362 Q: WAS THAT TO THE NORTH OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 363 A: YES, THE AREA I WAS LOOKING AT THE CAR.
# 364 Q: OKAY. AND DID YOU LOOK TO PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO WHAT IT WAS THAT WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VIEW TO THE RIGHT OF THE NORTH -- THAT IS, TO THE RIGHT, NORTH OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
# 365 A: NO. I WAS STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC.
# 366 Q: OKAY. AND THE OBJECT THAT WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VIEW, WAS IT STATIONARY PARKED OR WAS IT MOVING, THE AREA THAT WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VIEW TO THE RIGHT, THE OBJECT THAT WAS OBSTRUCTING YOUR VIEW TO THE RIGHT?
# 367 A: I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT. I WAS LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC.
# 368 Q: OKAY. SO YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MOVING AND NOT PARKED VEHICLES AT THAT TIME?
# 370 MR. COCHRAN: LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR.
# 371 THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE ANSWER WILL STAND.
# 372 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND YOU SAID AFTER THAT CAR PASSED THAT WAS GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH YOU PULLED OUT?
# 374 Q: WHERE DID YOU GO THEN?
# 375 A: I TOOK ROCKINGHAM DOWN TO SUNSET AND MADE A LEFT ON SUNSET HEADING EAST AND WAS GOING TO THE 405 FREEWAY TO LEAD SOUTH ON THE 405, AND GO TO LAX. WHEN I WAS GOING DOWN SUNSET I WAS IN MY LEFT HAND LANE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY I KNEW HOW TO GET ONTO THE FREEWAY WAS TO MAKE A LEFT. AND WHEN I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET THERE, MR. SIMPSON TOLD ME THAT YOU COULD GET ON THE FREEWAY ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, SO I GOT IN THE RIGHT-HAND LANE. I MADE A RIGHT-HAND TURN JUST A LITTLE TOO SOON AND MISSED THE ONRAMP, SO HE SAID, "THAT IS OKAY, YOU COULD JUST KEEP GOING STRAIGHT DOWN WHATEVER STREET IT WAS. THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONRAMP A LITTLE BIT FARTHER DOWN," WHICH HE WAS CORRECT. AND GOT BACK ON THE FREEWAY AND DROVE TO LAX FROM THERE.
# 376 Q: OKAY. SO WITH THE DEFENDANT'S ASSISTANCE YOU MADE IT TO THE AIRPORT?
# 378 Q: ALL RIGHT. ON THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT DID THE DEFENDANT SAY ANYTHING TO YOU?
# 379 A: A FEW TIMES HE REPEATED HOW HOT HE WAS. TWO OR THREE TIMES HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, MAN, IT IS HOT." I TOLD HIM HE COULD TURN THE AIR CONDITIONING ON.
KEY QUOTE # 381 A: I REMEMBER HEARING IT COME ON, YES. HE ALSO HAD THE SEAT THAT HE WAS SITTING IN, HE ALSO HAD THE WINDOW DOWN. A COUPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, HE REPEATED, "IT DOESN'T PAY TO GET DRESSED IN A HURRY" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR "I KNOW I FORGOT SOMETHING." I SAID, "THAT USUALLY HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE GOING ON A TRIP." HE ASKED ME WHAT TIME IT WAS.
# 382 Q: MR. PARK, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING --
# 383 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, IS HE FINISHED? I'M NOT SURE IF HE IS FINISHED.
# 384 MS. CLARK: WELL, HE IS ON THE NARRATIVE. IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WILL ASK HIM THE NEXT QUESTION.
# 385 THE COURT: EXCUSE ME, COUNSEL. I THOUGHT WE AGREED WE WERE GOING TO TALK TO ME. THANK YOU. PROCEED.
# 386 Q: BY MS. CLARK: HOW MANY TIMES DID THE DEFENDANT REMARK TO YOU THAT HE WAS HOT?
# 387 A: HE SAID IT PRETTY QUICK RIGHT IN A ROW TWO OR THREE TIMES.
# 388 Q: AND THEN AFTER THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE WINDOW WERE DOWN, DID HE CONTINUE TO REPEAT HE WAS HOT?
# 389 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION. IT HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 390 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 391 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AFTER -- DID HE REMARK ON BEING HOT AGAIN AFTER THE AIR CONDITIONING WAS ON AND THE WINDOW WAS DOWN?
# 393 Q: DID HE SAY IT AGAIN?
# 395 Q: DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE WEATHER WAS LIKE THAT NIGHT?
# 396 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, IT WAS MILD, HAVING OUR NORMAL JUNE GLOOM FOGGY NIGHTS.
# 397 Q: ABOUT WHAT? WHAT ABOUT WAS THE TEMPERATURE, IF YOU RECALL?
# 398 A: 68, 70 DEGREES. I DON'T KNOW.
# 399 Q: WERE YOU SWEATING?
# 403 Q: AND DID THE DEFENDANT SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO YOU ON THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT?
# 404 A: HE ASKED ME -- HE ASKED ME WHERE A LIGHT SWITCH WAS, AND BEFORE I COULD GIVE HIM AN ANSWER, HE FOUND ONE. I WAS ABOUT TO TELL HIM ON THE DOOR BACK THERE. ALSO, WE WERE ON THE FREEWAY, HE ASKED ME WHAT EXIT I WAS GOING TO GET OFF ON, AND HE SUGGESTED THAT I TAKE SEPULVEDA, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE QUICKEST.
# 405 Q: DO YOU SEE WHAT MOVEMENTS HE WAS MAKING AS HE WAS SITTING IN THE BACKSEAT?
# 406 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, HE WAS JUST -- HE WAS -- I DIDN'T LOOK BACK THERE VERY MUCH AT ALL. I REMEMBER HIM BENDING DOWN. YOU COULD JUST SEE HIM BENT DOWN LOOKING, SEEMED LIKE HE WAS JUST CHECKING HIS BAGS TO SEE IF HE HAD EVERYTHING.
# 407 Q: OKAY. COULD YOU SEE SOME BODY MOVEMENTS?
# 408 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR. ASKED AND ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
# 409 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 410 ALLAN PARK: NO, NOT REALLY.
# 411 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT COULD YOU SEE THAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT HE WAS CHECKING HIS BAGS OR DOING SOMETHING?
# 412 A: THAT HE WAS BENT DOWN OVER THE SEAT WHERE THE BAGS WERE ON THE FLOOR.
# 413 Q: COULD YOU HEAR ANY SOUND AS HE WAS DOING THAT?
# 414 A: A LITTLE BIT. NOT -- NOT REALLY.
# 415 Q: LIKE WHAT? WHAT DID YOU HEAR?
# 416 A: JUST SOMEBODY SHIFTING AROUND IN THE BACK LIKE YOU ARE MOVING.
# 417 Q: AND WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER HE TURNED ON THE LIGHT?
# 418 A: I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 419 Q: ALL RIGHT. FOR HOW LONG WAS THE LIGHT ON?
# 420 A: VERY BRIEF; TWENTY, THIRTY SECONDS.
# 421 Q: CAN YOU TELL WHAT THE TRAFFIC WAS LIKE? DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE TRAFFIC WAS LIKE THAT NIGHT?
# 422 A: IT WAS -- IT WAS NICE FOR L.A. I MEAN, IT WAS -- THERE WAS HARDLY ANY CARS ON THE FREEWAY. IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT, SO IT WAS PRETTY WIDE OPENED.
# 423 Q: SO WERE YOU DRIVING PRETTY FAST?
# 425 Q: OKAY. ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU GET TO THE AIRPORT?
# 426 A: IT WAS ABOUT 11:35.
# 427 Q: AND WHEN YOU GOT TO THE AIRPORT, WHERE DID YOU PULL UP TO?
# 428 A: I PULLED UP TO THE AMERICAN AIRLINES TERMINAL.
# 429 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 430 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT TO THAT LOCATION?
# 431 A: I GOT THERE AND I POPPED THE TRUNK AND GOT OUT OF THE CAR. MR. SIMPSON GOT OUT AND STARTED TO TAKE -- WE STARTED TO TAKE BAGS OUT OF THE TRUNK. HE -- THE FIRST BAG I GRABBED WAS THE GUCCI BAG, AND AT THAT TIME HE ASKED ME TO GO GET A SKYCAP.
# 432 Q: OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY "THE GUCCI BAG," YOU MEAN THE GARMENT BAG?
# 434 Q: AND AFTER THE DEFENDANT ASKED YOU TO GET THE SKYCAP, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 435 A: I PROCEEDED TO WALK OVER AND SEE IF I COULD FIND ONE. ALL OF THEM SAID THEY WERE BUSY, SO I WALKED INTO THE TERMINAL PART AND GRABBED A LUGGAGE CART.
# 436 Q: WHEN YOU WENT TO GET THE SKYCAP, DID YOU BRING THE GARMENT BAG WITH YOU OR DID YOU LEAVE IT AT THE CAR?
# 437 A: NO, I SET IT ON THE GROUND.
# 438 Q: WHEN THE DEFENDANT GOT OUT OF THE LIMOUSINE, SIR, COULD YOU OBSERVE HIM? WAS THERE LIGHTING THERE THAT YOU COULD SEE HIM?
# 440 Q: DID HE GET OUT OF THE CAR AS SOON AS YOU PULLED UP TO THE TERMINAL?
# 441 A: I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AS SOON AS WE GOT THERE. I KNOW IT WAS -- I KNOW IT WAS PRETTY -- PRETTY QUICK AFTER WE PULLED UP.
# 442 Q: OKAY. WHEN YOU GOT OUT OF THE CAR AFTER YOU PARKED THERE, DID YOU SEE HIM OUT OF THE CAR?
# 443 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 444 Q: DID YOU SEE HIM GET OUT OF THE CAR?
# 445 A: YEAH, I OPENED THE DOOR.
# 446 Q: OH, YOU OPENED THE DOOR FOR HIM?
# 448 Q: OKAY. AND THEN HE GOT OUT?
# 450 Q: COULD YOU TELL WHETHER OR NOT HE LOOKED SWEATY?
# 451 MR. COCHRAN: LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR.
# 452 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 453 Q: BY MS. CLARK: COULD YOU TELL US HOW HE LOOKED? HOW DID HE APPEAR?
# 454 A: HE SEEMED TO BE HOT.
# 455 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU SEE THAT MADE YOU BELIEVE THAT?
# 456 A: HE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF SWEAT ON HIS FOREHEAD.
# 457 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO AFTER YOU -- SO YOU WENT TO GET A SKYCAP AND YOU COULDN'T GET ONE. YOU WENT TO GET A LUGGAGE CARRIER. DID YOU BRING ONE BACK WITH YOU?
# 459 Q: WHEN I SAY "BACK," DID YOU GO BACK TO THAT CAR WITH THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 461 Q: ABOUT HOW LONG A PERIOD OF TIME WAS IT BETWEEN THE TIME YOU LEFT MR. SIMPSON AND CAME BACK TO HIM WITH THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 462 A: IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NO MORE THAN A MINUTE.
# 463 Q: OKAY. WHEN YOU CAME BACK TO THE CAR, WHERE WAS MR. SIMPSON?
# 464 A: AT THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.
# 469 Q: DID HE HAVE ANYTHING IN HIS HANDS?
# 470 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, HE HAD ONE OF THE DUFFLE BAGS KIND OF STRAPPED OVER HIS SHOULDER, AND AS I WALKED UP, HE PUT THE GOLF BAGS ON THE CART THAT I WAS STILL HOLDING, AND I PICKED UP AND PUT THE GUCCI BAG ON THE CART.
# 471 Q: WHEN YOU SAY "GOLF BAGS," WAS THERE MORE THAN ONE GOLF BAG?
# 472 A: NO, ONE -- IT WAS A GOLF BAG IN A GOLF BAG. THERE WAS A CASE THAT COVERED ALL THE GOLF BAGS.
# 473 Q: OKAY. BUT WAS IT ONE ITEM?
# 475 Q: WHO PUT THE GOLF BAG ONTO THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 477 Q: AND WHO PUT THE GARMENT BAG ON TOP OF THE GOLF BAG ON THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 478 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, I PICKED IT UP AND PUT IT ON TOP.
# 479 Q: AND MR. SIMPSON HAD A DUFFEL BAG OVER -- ONE OF THOSE DUFFLE BAGS OVER HIS SHOULDER?
# 480 A: FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, YES.
# 481 Q: OKAY. AND THAT DUFFEL BAG THAT HE HAD OVER HIS SHOULDER, WAS THAT THE BIG ONE THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING?
# 483 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THAT, YOUR HONOR. THAT MISSTATES THE EVIDENCE. THERE WERE TWO DUFFLE BAGS.
# 484 THE COURT: I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE DIFFERENTIATION IN SIZE OF THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS.
# 485 MS. CLARK: LET ME ASK.
# 486 Q: YOU INDICATED THAT WHEN YOU PULLED UP TO THE FRONT DOOR AT ROCKINGHAM THAT THERE WERE TWO DUFFEL BAGS IN THE FRONT ENTRANCE?
# 488 Q: WHAT COLOR WERE THEY?
# 490 Q: WERE THEY DIFFERENT SIZES?
# 491 A: THEY WERE CLOSE TO THE SAME.
# 492 Q: ABOUT THE SAME SIZE?
# 494 Q: AND WAS IT ONE OF THOSE DUFFLE BAGS THAT YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON HAD OVER HIS SHOULDER WHEN YOU CAME BACK WITH THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 496 Q: SO A GOLF BAG AND A GARMENT BAG WENT ONTO THE LUGGAGE CARRIER?
# 497 A: HE HAD THE OTHER BAG STRAPPED, AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, CARRYING THE OTHER BLACK DUFFEL BAG.
# 498 Q: OKAY. SO ONE OF THE LARGE BLACK DUFFLE BAGS WAS ON HIS SHOULDER AND THE OTHER WAS IN HIS HAND?
# 500 Q: AND THE ONE THAT WAS IN HIS HAND, WAS THAT AS LARGE AS THE ONE ON HIS SHOULDER?
# 501 A: IT WAS AROUND THE SAME SIZE.
# 502 Q: AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
# 503 A: UMM, WE WALKED OVER TO WHERE YOU CHECKED YOUR BAGGAGE IN. I -- I SET THE -- I SET THE GOLF BAG ON THE SKYCAP'S LUGGAGE CART ALONG WITH THE GUCCI BAG, AND HE -- HE JUST -- HE CARRIED THE OTHER BAGS WITH HIM OVER TO WHERE THE -- TO WHERE YOU CHECK YOUR LUGGAGE IN AND HE WAS CHECKING HIS LUGGAGE IN. I PUT THE STUFF ON THE CART, AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT, AND I WALKED OVER, SHOOK HIS HAND AND HE SAID "ADD TWENTY PERCENT" AND SEE YOU LATER.
# 504 Q: OKAY. ON YOUR WAY OVER TO THE SKYCAP, DID ANYBODY STOP MR. SIMPSON?
# 505 A: UMM, I COULDN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT -- WHAT TIME IT TOOK PLACE, BUT SOMEONE FROM AMERICAN AIRLINES ASKED HIM FOR AN AUTOGRAPH, YES.
# 506 Q: OKAY. WAS THAT ON THE WAY FROM THE LIMO TO THE SKYCAP?
# 507 A: FROM -- I'M NOT POSITIVE IF IT WAS BEFORE THAT, WHEN I CAME BACK WITH THE -- WITH THE CART. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENED DURING THAT OR IF IT -- IF IT WAS WHEN WE WERE WALKING OVER THERE.
# 509 THE COURT: MISS CLARK, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD SPOT?
# 510 MS. CLARK: I AM JUST ABOUT DONE ACTUALLY.
# 511 THE COURT: OKAY. CONCLUDED.
# 512 MS. CLARK: IS THAT OKAY?
# 513 Q: SO DID HE CHECK -- DID HE CHECK THE GOLF BAG AND THE GARMENT BAG WITH THE SKYCAP?
# 515 Q: DID YOU SEE WHAT HE CARRIED ON VERSUS WHAT HE CHECKED IN?
# 516 A: I WAS GONE BY THEN.
# 517 Q: OKAY. WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU WENT WITH HIM FROM THE LIMO TO THE SKYCAP, DID YOU SEE THAT SMALL DARK BAG THAT YOU HAD SEEN EARLIER ON THE DRIVEWAY OF ROCKINGHAM?
# 518 A: NOT THAT I REMEMBER.
# 519 MS. CLARK: CAN I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?
# 520 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 521 MS. CLARK: MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME, YOUR HONOR.
# 522 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A RECESS SO I CAN CHANGE COURT REPORTERS. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITIONS TO YOU. DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU OR CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU. WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES. MR. PARK, YOU MAY STEP DOWN AND YOU ARE ORDERED TO RETURN IN FIFTEEN MINUTES.
# 523 ALLAN PARK: THANK YOU.
# 524 THE COURT: THANK YOU.