THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. ALL RIGHT. DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, WOULD YOU RESUME THE WITNESS STAND, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, DETECTIVE FUHRMAN. YOU ARE REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH.
BY MS. CLARK: WHEN WE LAST LEFT OFF, YOU WERE WALKING DOWN TOWARDS THE BRONCO; IS THAT RIGHT, SIR?
BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE VEHICLE THAT'S BEING SHOWN TO YOU IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
OKAY. SO THAT IF YOU -- AS YOU WALKED TOWARDS IT, YOU WERE FACING THE FRONT OF THE BRONCO; IS THAT RIGHT?
I WAS WALKING TOWARDS THE BRONCO AND I MADE THE -- I NOTICED THAT IT WAS JUST PARKED JUST A LITTLE ASKEW, A LITTLE STRANGELY. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS NO DIFFICULTY IN PARKING THERE, BUT YET IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PARKED RATHER HAPHAZARDLY.
WELL, IT APPEARED THAT IT WASN'T PULLED TO THE CURB EVENLY. THE REAR END WAS JUTTING OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THE TIRES WEREN'T STRAIGHT IN THE FRONT COMPLETELY.
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. SHOWING YOU THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR, IF YOU CAN TELL US WHETHER THAT APPEARS TO BE THE SAME FORD BRONCO THAT WE JUST SAW IN THE PREVIOUS PHOTOGRAPH.
AND THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SEE IT IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, DOES THAT APPEAR TO BE THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SAW IT ON JUNE THE 13TH AT APPROXIMATELY 5:00 A.M.?
YES. I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT, BUT THE REAR APPEARS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME POSITION, YES.
NOW, THE BRONCO THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT HERE, IS THAT THE SAME BRONCO THAT YOU PASSED ON THE WAY TO PARKING ON ASHFORD?
AND WHEN YOU NOTICED THAT IT WAS PARKED A LITTLE BIT ASKEW OR A LITTLE BIT HAPHAZARDLY, WERE YOU LOOKING AT IT FROM THE FRONT OR FROM THE REAR?
I WALKED CLOSER TO THE BRONCO, AND AS I APPROACHED TO THE LEFT OF THE BRONCO, WHICH WOULD BE EAST, ON THE PARKWAY, I SAW A BROKEN PIECE OF WOOD. IT WAS WHITE WOOD WITH A FRESHLY EXPOSED PIECE OF WOOD.
WELL, IT LOOKED OUT OF PLACE. THERE WAS -- THIS IS A PARKWAY. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT RESEMBLED THIS. THERE WAS NO GARBAGE. THERE WAS NO LEAVES, LIMBS, ANYTHING. IT WAS JUST ODD AND I DID NOT SEE AT ANY TIME ANY TYPE OF WOOD FENCE ANYWHERE WHERE I CAME UP ROCKINGHAM OR ANYWHERE AROUND THE PREMISES.
OKAY. YOUR HONOR, I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO COUNSEL, I ASK IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 106.
BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 107, SIR, CAN YOU TELL US -- YOU JUST DESCRIBED A WOODEN STICK THAT YOU SAW NEAR THE BRONCO SHORTLY AFTER 5:00 A.M. ON JUNE THE 13TH. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN TO YOU IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
YES. IT APPEARS TO BE A -- DIRECTLY EAST OF THE RIGHT FRONT TIRE OF THE BRONCO ON THE PARKWAY.
I AM SORRY. IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SAW IT ON THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE THE 13TH?
AND THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH ALSO BEEN SHOWN TO COUNSEL, ASK THAT IT BE MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 108.
THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME KIND OF A SMUDGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, A DARKER COLOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PIECE OF WOOD?
BASED UPON YOUR RECOLLECTION, YOUR OBSERVATION OF THAT PIECE OF WOOD, SIR, DID THERE APPEAR TO BE ANY BLOOD ON IT?
DO YOU -- THAT SMUDGE THAT YOU SEE THERE, DO YOU RECALL SEEING THAT DARKER SPOT ON THE WOOD WHEN YOU OBSERVED IT?
TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE THE PATH OF A IRON NAIL THAT HAD RUSTED AND CAUSED RUST TO BE LEFT ON THE WOOD.
I WAS STILL TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE, AND JUST AS I PASSED THE FRONT BUMPER, I LAID THE BACK OF MY HAND TOWARDS WHERE THE RADIATOR PART OF THE ENGINE WOULD BE DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE HOOD. IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE WARM TO THE TOUCH AT ALL. I WALKED AROUND --
IS THAT WHAT OFFICER RISKE ALSO DID AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY WITH THE FERRARI AND THE JEEP CHEROKEE WHEN HE FIRST ARRIVED AROUND MIDNIGHT AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY; PLACE HIS HAND ON THE CARS?
THEN I WALKED TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE, THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE VEHICLE AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE AS I WAS WALKING DOWN THE LENGTH OF IT.
AND AT THAT POINT, WERE YOU WAITING FOR SOMEBODY -- WHAT WERE YOU DOING OTHER THAN LOOKING AT THE CAR? WERE YOU WAITING FOR SOMETHING?
I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE RESIDENCE RINGER OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TO OBTAIN SOME INFORMATION ON THE WHEREABOUTS OF ANYONE INSIDE IF HE COULD GET A -- I WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO GET SOMEONE TO ANSWER THE DOOR.
AND THE GATE, THE ROCKINGHAM GATE THAT THE BRONCO WAS PARKED JUST NORTH OF, WAS THAT CLOSED?
I BELIEVE VANNATTER AND LANGE WERE IN THAT GENERAL AREA AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM WAS STANDING IN THE STREET WITH A CELLULAR PHONE.
BY MS. CLARK: THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. YOU SAID YOU WALKED ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE BRONCO. AND DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT SIDE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
WELL, AS I WAS WALKING PAST THE VEHICLE, I NOTICED A SMALL SPOT ABOVE THE DOOR HANDLE OF THE DRIVER'S SIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
WELL, THE VEHICLE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS WHITE AND IT STOOD OUT SOMEWHAT. IT WAS A VERY CLEAN VEHICLE.
UH-HUH. AND WERE YOU ABLE -- AS YOU LOOKED AT THE CAR DOOR, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE CLEARLY WHAT IT WAS AT FIRST GLANCE?
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MY DUTY BELT THAT I WEAR WITH MY DETECTIVE OUTFIT I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT.
NOW, SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 62-C, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
WELL, AT FIRST, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE A SPOT OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN. WHEN I TOOK THE FLASHLIGHT OUT, I LOOKED AT IT AND IT LOOKED REDDISH BROWN AND TRANSLUCENT QUALITIES TO IT AND APPEARED TO BE DRY BLOOD.
THEN I CONTINUED TO LOOK FARTHER AROUND THE VEHICLE. AT ONE POINT, I ACTUALLY GOT DOWN ON MY HANDS AND KNEES AND LOOKED IN THE COMPLETE DOOR AREA, AND DOWN ON THE DOOR SILL I FOUND THREE OR FOUR SMALL LITTLE LINES WITH THE SAME COLOR AND QUALITIES THAT WERE EXHIBITED ABOVE THE DOOR HANDLE.
OKAY. AND WHAT AREA OF THE DRIVER'S DOOR WOULD THAT BE THAT YOU SAW THOSE THREE OR FOUR LINES THAT LOOKED THE SAME COLOR AS THE SMUDGE SHOWN IN 62-C?
AS YOU OPEN THE DRIVER'S DOOR, THE AREA THAT THE DRIVER'S DOOR WOULD OPEN TO EXPOSE AT THE BOTTOM WOULD BE CALLED THE DOOR SILL, AND THAT EDGE THAT IS EXPOSED TO THE EXTERIOR BUT STILL PART OF THE BOTTOM OF THE SILL, IT WAS ON THAT PART.
I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW AT THAT TIME, BUT I CONTINUED TO LOOK AT THE VEHICLE TO SEE IF I COULD OBSERVE ANYTHING ELSE.
BY MS. CLARK: WHY DON'T YOU SHOW US -- I'M GOING TO USE THE LASER LIGHT. YOU DIRECT THE LIGHT, TELL ME WHERE -- TELL US WHERE YOU SAW --
YOU CAN SEE THE LINE OF THE DOOR THAT OUTLINES THE DOOR THAT WOULD OPEN. GO DIRECTLY UP, NOW TO THE LEFT. YOU CAN CIRCLE ANY AREA IN THAT SIX INCHES PROBABLY IN THAT AREA, YES.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW THOSE THREE LINES THAT APPEARED TO BE THE SAME COLOR AS THE SPOT POINTED TO BY DENNIS FUNG UP HERE?
I ATTEMPTED TO LOOK IN THE VEHICLE WITH MY FLASHLIGHT. IT WASN'T VERY HIGH POWERED AND THERE WAS TINTED WINDOWS. SO THAT WAS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. AT ONE POINT, I CUPPED MY FLASHLIGHT AND TRIED TO GET THE BEAM TO FOCUS AS MUCH AS I COULD, AND I SAW A PACKAGE IN THE REAR CARGO AREA.
WHAT ELSE DID YOU SEE IN THE REAR CAR -- NEVER MIND. STRIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. AS YOU MADE -- AFTER YOU MADE THOSE OBSERVATIONS OF THE PACKAGES IN THE REAR CARGO AREA, DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE REAR CARGO AREA?
THERE WAS A SHOVEL THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET LONG. IT WAS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A POINTED OR A FLAT-NOSE SHOVEL, BUT IT WAS TURNED POINT DOWN; IN OTHER WORDS, THE CUTTING EDGE DOWN, AND THERE WAS A LARGE PIECE OF HEAVY GAUGE PLASTIC THAT WAS TUCKED IN A SIDE CARGO AREA IN THE REAR PART OF THE VEHICLE.
KEY QUOTEYOUR HONOR, I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SHOWN TO COUNSEL, ASK THAT IT BE PEOPLE'S 109.
BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 109, SIR, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SAW IT, SIR, WHEN YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE REAR CARGO WINDOW OF THE BRONCO IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JUNE THE 13TH?
I WENT BACK TOWARDS ASHFORD AND I -- I DIDN'T WANT TO YELL TO THE OTHER DETECTIVES, BUT I WANTED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS I MADE.
I SAW DETECTIVE LANGE UP TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION OF ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM, AND I BELIEVE I WALKED THAT AREA. I DIDN'T GET REAL CLOSE, BUT I GOT CLOSE ENOUGH WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO USE AN ELEVATED VOICE TO COMMUNICATE, AND I GOT DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND LANGE TO COME DOWN TO THE BRONCO.
I THINK HE WAS ON ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM INTERSECTION MORE INBOARD OF ROCKINGHAM ON ASHFORD, BUT I COULD VISIBLY SEE HIM AS I WAS WALKING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION.
I DON'T RECALL SEEING HIM INITIALLY WHEN I TURNED AROUND. I BELIEVE HE WAS BACK TOWARDS THE GATE.
WELL, I BELIEVE I SAID, "I THINK I SAW SOMETHING ON THE BRONCO," AND VANNATTER AND LANGE AND I BOTH WALKED DOWN THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
I SHOWED THEM THE OBSERVATIONS. FIRST, THE -- AS WE WERE WALKING, I DESCRIBED THE WAY THE BRONCO FIRST KIND OF GOT MY ATTENTION. THEN I SHOWED THEM THE PIECE OF WOOD AND THEN THE SPOT THAT I THOUGHT WAS BLOOD, THE FOUR SMALL MARKS THAT I THOUGHT WAS BLOOD. I DESCRIBED WHAT WAS IN THE VEHICLE AND TRIED TO USE MY FLASHLIGHT AND GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO SEE THOSE ITEMS.
YES. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG HE STAYED THERE. I REMEMBER DETECTIVE VANNATTER SAID, "LET'S RUN THE VEHICLE"; IN OTHER WORDS, RUN A DMV ON THE VEHICLE.
USE THE RADIO TO RUN A DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES CHECK ON THE LICENSE PLATE TO THE REGISTERED OWNER.
I HAD A RADIO. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS TAKEN FROM OUR VEHICLE OR ROBBERY-HOMICIDE'S, BUT WE HAD A ROVER.
DID THAT GIVE YOU ANY FURTHER INFORMATION CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT WAS THE DEFENDANT'S VEHICLE?
WELL, I HAD KNOWN THAT HE HAD WORKED FOR HERTZ RENT-A-CAR ONLY FROM COMMERCIALS. BUT THE PACKAGE IN THE REAR COUPLED WITH THE DMV, I CONCLUDED THAT AT THAT TIME.
WELL, AT THAT POINT, DETECTIVE LANGE WALKED BACK UP TOWARDS ASHFORD AND ROCKINGHAM AND I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY TO THE FRONT GATE AT ASHFORD AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND I STOOD FOR A MOMENT SEVERAL FEET IN FRONT OF THE BRONCO AND WE DISCUSSED EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD OBSERVED AND WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
WELL, WE WERE THERE TO MAKE NOTIFICATION, BUT WE WERE FAIRLY UNSUCCESSFUL AT RAISING ANYONE IN THE HOME.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW -- I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING. I WAS NOT IN CHARGE. BUT AS FAR AS THE OBSERVATIONS ON THE BRONCO, I THINK DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND I BOTH VOCALIZED OUR CONCERN THAT COMING FROM THE SCENE OF A DOUBLE HOMICIDE AND NOW WE'RE AT THIS LOCATION WITH A VEHICLE PARKED AT THIS LOCATION WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS BLOOD AND WE BELIEVE IT BELONGED TO MR. SIMPSON.
DID YOU ATTEMPT TO GET ANY FURTHER INFORMATION OR TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS FURTHER INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM WESTEC ABOUT WHETHER -- ABOUT THE -- WHETHER YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO FIND SOMEONE IN THE RESIDENCE?
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT WE EVENTUALLY OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS EVENTUALLY GOT THE RESIDENCE PHONE NUMBER INSIDE THE RESIDENCE, WHICH WAS UNSUCCESSFUL TO RAISE ANYBODY.
THERE WAS A WESTEC UNIT THAT WAS TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON ROCKINGHAM THAT PARKED HIS VEHICLE ON ROCKINGHAM AND EXITED THAT VEHICLE AND WALKED TOWARDS ME.
AND WAS THAT -- CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, HAD YOU SEEN ANY KIND OF WESTEC SIGN ON ANY PART OF THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE -- EITHER THE ASHFORD OR THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?
WESTEC'S A PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM THAT -- AN ARMED SECURITY FIRM THAT USUALLY INSTALLS ALARMS AND THEY HAVE RESPONSE UNITS THAT CAN INVESTIGATE ANYTHING FROM A PANIC ALARM TO A POSSIBLE BURGLAR TO TRESPASSING.
AS THE WESTEC SERGEANT WAS PASSING MYSELF, I STOPPED HIM AND I SAID, "IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT HOME NOW," AND HE RESPONDED THAT, "WELL, THERE'S A LIVE-IN MAID THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY."
WELL, I DIRECTLY WENT BACK TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND LANGE'S LOCATION BY THE ASHFORD GATE AND INFORMED THEM OF THAT SITUATION OR THAT INFORMATION.
AND WHAT TIME WAS IT BY THAT TIME AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU WENT TO TELL DETECTIVE VANNATTER THAT YOU HAD LEARNED THE MAID WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE ALL THE TIME, IF YOU RECALL?
WELL, I THINK IT HAD TO BE 30 OR 40 MINUTES SINCE WE'D BEEN THERE. IT'S PROBABLY A QUARTER TO 6:00, 10 TO 6:00.
AT THIS POINT, THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE LOCATION AND OUR CONCERN THAT THERE COULD BE ANOTHER VICTIM OR SOME TYPE OF A SITUATION HERE THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
YOU INDICATED I BELIEVE THAT YOU LEFT -- YOU AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LEFT BUNDY AT ABOUT 5:00 A.M.; IS THAT RIGHT?
SO YOU -- YOU -- THE FOUR OF YOU WERE OUTSIDE TRYING TO REACH SOMEONE INSIDE THE HOUSE FROM ABOUT 10 AFTER 5:00 TO AT LEAST A QUARTER TO 6:00 OR 10 TO 6:00?
ALL RIGHT. SO YOU INDICATED AT THAT POINT AFTER YOU HAD BEEN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 35 TO 40 MINUTES, YOU AND DETECTIVE LANGE OR -- WHO WERE YOU -- WHO WAS TALKING?
DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND I WERE SPEAKING IN FRONT OF THE BRONCO INITIALLY AND -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT LOCATION OR AT -- BY THE ASHFORD GATE?
WE WERE AT THE ASHFORD GATE, THE THREE OF US, AND I BELIEVE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS STILL ON THE CELLULAR PHONE.
WELL, WHAT WE'D BEEN CONFRONTED WITH. WE HAD SOME SMALL PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT QUITE POSSIBLY, SOMEBODY HAD LEFT THE BUNDY SCENE AND COME TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION.
DETECTIVE VANNATTER WAS DOING MOST OF THE TALKING. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED OUR CONCERNS WITH ANOTHER POSSIBLE VICTIM OR A KIDNAP TYPE ROBBERY, MURDER SUICIDE. WE HAD NO IDEA EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE CONFRONTED WITH AT THAT POINT.
AT SOME POINT, A CONCLUSION WAS MADE BY DETECTIVE VANNATTER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET INTO THE COMPOUND AT 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM.
THERE WAS A QUESTION HOW -- HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, AND I SUGGESTED, "YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE WALL?"
I JUMPED THE WALL JUST TO THE LEFT OR EAST OF THE ASHFORD GATE, LANDED ON THE OTHER SIDE, CAME AROUND AND RELEASED THE HYDRAULIC ARM TO THE GATE ON ASHFORD AND LET THE OTHER DETECTIVES INTO THE LOCATION.
I BELIEVE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER WERE SOMEWHAT AHEAD WALKING AND THEN DETECTIVE LANGE AND THEN MYSELF TRAILING AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WENT TO THE FRONT DOOR.
CAN YOU -- IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN, PLEASE DIRECT THE POINTER TO THE AREA WHERE YOU -- WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS.
GO STRAIGHT UP AND THEN TO THE LEFT AND THEN A LITTLE HIGHER. RIGHT IN THAT AREA I SUPPOSE (INDICATING).
I AM SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. FOR THE RECORD, I'M POINTING TO AN AREA THAT APPEARS TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE MIDDLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH JUST UNDER THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT ARE DEPICTED THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH DIRECTLY STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THERE.
BY MS. CLARK: WHAT HAPPENED -- YOU ALL WENT TO THAT FRONT DOOR AREA, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
I WAS STANDING TO THE REAR OF THE GROUP AND I'M NOT SURE IF VANNATTER OR PHILLIPS WERE KNOCKING. BUT FOR A COUPLE MINUTES, WE STOOD THERE AND KNOCKED AT THE FRONT DOOR AND RECEIVED NO RESPONSE.
IT WAS PHILLIPS OR VANNATTER. I TEND TO THINK IT WAS PHILLIPS, BUT I CAN'T BE ABSOLUTELY SURE.
VANNATTER AND PHILLIPS LEFT THE FRONT DOOR AREA, AND WE ALL TURNED AND PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER STARTED WALKING BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT GATE AND THEN ENTERED A WALKWAY THAT WENT ALONGSIDE TO THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE.
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD, DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, WOULD YOU STEP DOWN. USING THE POINTER, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE SHOW US THE PATH THAT YOU TOOK WITH DETECTIVES PHILLIPS, VANNATTER AND LANGE AFTER YOU KNOCKED ON THE FRONT DOOR AND GOT NO RESPONSE. WHEN I SAY YOU, I MEAN THEY, ALL OF YOU.
THIS AREA THAT'S MARKED AS "ENTRANCE," THAT IS THE FRONT DOOR AREA. WE TURNED AROUND AND WALKED NORTHBOUND UNTIL WE COME TO THIS PATH THAT IS BEIGE IN COLOR ON THIS CHART AND IT'S SOMEWHAT IN KIND OF AN "S", CIRCLES AROUND TO THE REAR OF THE -- REAR OF THE RESIDENCE. IT CONTINUES AROUND AND STARTS TO GO SOUTHBOUND UP SOME STAIRS INTO A PATIO AREA NEXT TO THE POOL.
YES. I BELIEVE IT WAS -- HE MIGHT HAVE CAME OUT OF THE PATHWAY AREA, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT WHERE THE PATHWAY MEETS THE DRIVEWAY, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS WAS INDICATING THE SOUTHERN POINT OF THE INTERSECTION OF THE PATHWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY.
BLACK, LONG-HAIRED -- I COULDN'T TELL THE BREED. IT LOOKED MAYBE LIKE SOME KIND OF A MIX OR SHEPHERD TYPE DOG, ALL BLACK.
WELL, WE STOPPED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE ABOUT TO BE BIT, AND THEN THE DOG DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. SO WE KIND OF WALKED BY AND HE JUST ALLOWED US TO.
OKAY. AND WHAT WERE YOU DOING AS YOU WERE WALKING ON THE WALKWAY WITH THE OTHER THREE DETECTIVES?
AND WHEN YOU GOT -- WHEN YOU WALKED THROUGH THE REAR YARD AREA, WERE YOU SEARCHING OR LOOKING AROUND? WHAT WERE YOU DOING?
I WAS REALLY DOING NOTHING. I WAS JUST FOLLOWING THESE DETECTIVES THAT WERE WALKING ALONG THIS PATHWAY.
I SAW THE LAWN AND THE PATHWAY AND WALKING INTO THE POOL AREA, JUST SAW THE POOL AREA. NOTHING -- NOTHING UNUSUAL.
WE WALKED ONTO THE PATIO AREA. I THINK -- I THINK PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER PROBABLY SLOWED SOMEWHAT AND LOOKED AROUND, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY VERBALIZE, BUT I KIND OF ASSUMED THAT SOMEONE SAW SOMETHING DOWN IN THIS AREA THAT THEY WANTED TO LOOK AT OR KNOCK ON. I DON'T KNOW. THEY WALKED PAST THESE STEP AREA DOWN ONTO THIS AREA BY THE POOL AND DOWN TOWARDS THIS ROOM THAT IS DENOTED ON THIS CHART BY KAELIN'S ROOM (INDICATING).
DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, IF YOU WANT TO STEP OVER TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE JURORS ON THE END CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE POINTING TO, AND SHOW -- SHOW THEM THE AREA YOU'VE JUST INDICATED THAT YOU WENT TO.
WE WALKED DOWN THIS AREA ONTO THIS AREA HERE. I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE PAUSE AND THEN CONTINUING DOWN TO THIS PATIO AREA, AND THIS IS WHERE DETECTIVE PHILLIPS APPROACHED THIS DOORWAY OF WHAT IS DESCRIBED HERE AS KAELIN'S ROOM (INDICATING).
AND WHAT WERE YOU DOING? WERE YOU IN THE FRONT? WERE YOU IN THE REAR? WHERE WERE YOU IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER -- THE OTHER THREE DETECTIVES?
WELL, I WAS TO THE REAR AND I BELIEVE I WAS STILL UP EITHER ON THESE STAIRS OR STANDING UP ON THIS AREA HERE (INDICATING).
AND WHEN YOU GOT TO THE AREA MARKED -- WHEN THE FOUR OF YOU GOT TO THE AREA MARKED KAELIN'S ROOM, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
I SAW DETECTIVE PHILLIPS LOOK TOWARDS THE DOOR AND HE WENT UP TO IT, AND I THINK ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS ABOUT TO KNOCK, I COULD TELL IT WAS A GLASS PANE DOOR AND THERE WAS WOOD LOUVERS ON THE INSIDE AND SOME OF THEM WERE OPEN. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS COULD -- HE SAW SOMETHING, HE TURNED BACK AND SAID, "THERE'S A GUY ON THE BED," OR, "THERE'S SOMEONE LYING ON THE BED," SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND HE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, SOMEONE CAME TO THE DOOR.
MALE WHITE, 5/9, 5/10, LONG BROWN HAIR. HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS JUST WOKEN UP. HE HAD -- HE MIGHT HAVE HAD SWEATPANTS ON OR SOME TYPE OF PAJAMA, T-SHIRT.
BY MS. CLARK: WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND RESUME YOUR SEAT, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. JUST FOR A MOMENT RESUME YOUR SEAT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE BOARD AGAIN. SO --
(DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. THE PERSON THAT YOU -- THAT ANSWERED THE DOOR, DO YOU KNOW NOW WHO THAT IS, SIR?
I WAS STANDING BEHIND AND ABOVE AND I HEARD -- I HEARD HIM ASK MR. KAELIN IF HE KNEW -- IF MR. SIMPSON WAS IN THE HOUSE, AND THEN I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS PHILLIPS OR ONE OF THE OTHER DETECTIVES MAKING A COMMENT THAT, "THERE MIGHT BE SOME SORT OF AN EMERGENCY, WE NEED TO KNOW," OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I HEARD MR. KAELIN DIRECT ALL OF US TO MR. SIMPSON'S DAUGHTER'S ROOM WHICH HE POINTED EAST DOWN THAT WALKWAY AMONG THE BUNGALOWS AND SAID SOMETHING LIKE, "MR. SIMPSON'S DAUGHTER, ARNELLE'S ROOM IS DOWN THIS WAY," AND I THINK HE POINTED OR DIRECTED THEM DOWN THAT WAY.
THIS RIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF WHAT'S DESCRIBED AS KAELIN'S ROOM, THERE'S A WALKWAY. THIS WALKWAY (INDICATING). HE POINTED THEM DOWN TOWARDS THIS AREA, WHICH WAS ARNELLE'S ROOM.
AND WHEN HE DIRECTED THE -- WHEN HE DIRECTED ALL OF YOU TO ARNELLE'S ROOM, HE POINTED THAT OUT, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY WALKED DOWN AND TALKED TO ARNELLE SIMPSON. I STAYED WITH MR. KAELIN, AND HE WAS STANDING SOMEWHAT IN THE DOORWAY AND I ASKED IF I COULD COME IN, AND HE SAID YES.
OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE YOUR SEAT. WHEN YOU MADE YOUR FIRST CONTACT WITH MR. KAELIN, WERE YOU OUTSIDE OR INSIDE HIS ROOM?
LIKE HE HAD JUST WOKEN UP, MUSSED HAIR. I NOTICED HE HAD BLOODSHOT EYES. THEY WERE KIND OF GLASSY. HE HAD A T-SHIRT, SOME TYPE OF LOOSE-FITTING PANTS ON, COULD HAVE BEEN SWEATPANTS, LITTLE DISORIENTED.
WELL, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW IF I REALLY HAD FORMED AN OPINION. I DID ASK HIM IF HE HAD BEEN DRINKING AND I THINK -- I'M PRETTY SURE HE RESPONDED THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN DRINK.
I ASKED HIM IF I COULD JUST DO A SHORT TEST ON HIM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WASN'T UNDER THE INFLUENCE.
IT'S A TEST THAT YOU WOULD USE TO DETERMINE IF SOMEBODY WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OR POSSIBLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A DEPRESSANT, ONE BEING ALCOHOL.
WELL, SITUATIONS MAYBE ON A TRAFFIC STOP THINKING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY ONE MIGHT BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL OR A NARCOTICS LOCATION TO ELIMINATE A DEPRESSANT OR ALCOHOL FROM YOUR OBSERVATIONS.
WELL, YOU USE USUALLY A PENCIL OR A PEN. YOU HOLD IT VERTICAL, FOOT TO 15, 16 INCHES IN FRONT OF THE PERSON'S FACE. YOU TELL THEM TO CONCENTRATE USUALLY ON THE FOREHEAD RIGHT BETWEEN YOUR EYES AND TO NOT MOVE THEIR HEAD, BUT FOLLOW THE PEN AS YOU MOVE IT FROM RIGHT TO LEFT WITH YOUR EYES.
I PUT THE PEN APPROXIMATELY THIS FAR AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE PERSON'S FACE THAT IS GOING TO SUBMIT TO THE TEST AND THEN I WOULD INSTRUCT THEM, I BEING THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PEN, TO DO NOT MOVE YOUR HEAD, AND I'LL DEMONSTRATE THIS WITHOUT -- BEING THE PERSON THAT'S BEING GIVEN THE TEST, I WOULD CONCENTRATE ON THAT PERSON'S HEAD, AND AS I MOVE THE PEN, I WOULD WANT TO MOVE MY EYE, NOT MY HEAD (INDICATING). IF THERE IS SOMETHING INDICATIVE OF A DEPRESSANT, THE EYE WOULD BOUNCE.
I ENGAGED MR. KAELIN IN CONVERSATION WHILE THE FIRST -- I BELIEVE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASKED HIM IS, "DO YOU MIND IF I LOOK AROUND?" HE REPLIED, "NO."
THEY WERE DIRECTED TO ARNELLE'S ROOM AND I CAN ONLY ASSUME THEY WERE EAST OF MY LOCATION AT THAT PART OF THE BUNGALOWS.
THAT IS WHEN I ASKED HIM IF I COULD LOOK AROUND AND IF HE -- I ASKED IF HE WOULD MIND IF I LOOKED AROUND. HE SAID NO. AND I LOOKED INTO THE BATHROOM, INTO THE SHOWER AREA. I LOOKED INTO SOME TALL CLOSETS ON THE EAST WALL AND THEN I CAME BACK AND ENGAGED HIM IN A CONVERSATION ONCE AGAIN.
I WAS LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE SOMEONE COULD SECRET THEMSELVES, HIDE OR SOMEONE COULD PUT A HUMAN SIZED OBJECT.
WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY CARE TO STAND -- I DIDN'T KNOW WHO MR. KAELIN WAS, AND JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT OF OFFICER SAFETY, I WANTED TO GET PERMISSION TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE PLACES THAT SOMEONE COULD AT LEAST HIDE.
I ASKED MR. KAELIN IF THE WHITE BRONCO IN FRONT -- WHO IT BELONGS TO, AND HE SAID IT WAS O.J.'S, AND I ASKED HIM IF HE DROVE IT LAST NIGHT. BUT I BELIEVE BEFORE HE ANSWERED THAT, I THINK I ASKED HIM ANOTHER QUESTION.
WELL, YOU WOULD NEVER DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT A CASE EXCEPT WITH THE DETECTIVES UNTIL YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE CASE OR WHAT INFORMATION THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ELICIT.
ROUTINE THING? SO WHEN YOU ASKED HIM DID ANYTHING UNUSUAL HAPPEN THE NIGHT BEFORE, WHAT WAS HIS RESPONSE?
HE SAID ABOUT 10:45 P.M. THE PREVIOUS NIGHT, I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE. HE SAID HE HEARD A CRASH OR A THUMP ON HIS WALL. HE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EARTHQUAKE AND HIS PICTURE SHOOK.
KEY QUOTEHE POINTED TO A PICTURE TOWARDS THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS BED, WHICH WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF HIS BED. HIS BED WAS -- THE HEAD WAS ON THE SOUTH WALL AND THE FOOT WAS AT THE NORTH END OF THE ROOM. THE --
YOUR HONOR, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT IS GOING TO BE SHOWN NOW I ASK BE MARKED PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, 109? 110.
AND HOW IS IT DIFFERENT? HOW IS THE CONDITION OF THIS ROOM DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU OBSERVED ON JUNE THE 13TH?
THIS CHAIR THAT'S IN THE LEFT UPPER CORNER, I DON'T RECALL THAT CHAIR BEING THERE, THAT FRENCH PROVINCIAL LOOKING CHAIR. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT OBJECT IS DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT OF THAT CHAIR, BUT I RECALL A DRESSER, A TALL MAN'S BUREAU TO BE THERE. THE AIR-CONDITIONER TO THE LEFT OF THE BED WAS IN THAT LOCATION. I CAN'T TELL IF THE PICTURE THAT WAS ON THE WALL IS OUT OF THE FOCUS OF THIS -- OR OUT OF THE PICTURE OR IF IT HAD BEEN REMOVED.
OKAY. THE -- THE AREA ON THE WALL THAT HE POINTED TO AS WHERE HE FELT THE -- THAT CRASHING SOUND CAME FROM, CAN YOU SEE THAT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE?
WELL, THE WAY HE DESCRIBED IT WAS BETWEEN THE AIR CONDITIONER AND THE PICTURE THAT WAS TO THE RIGHT OF THE AIR CONDITIONER WHICH WAS SOMEWHERE ABOVE THE BED TO THE RIGHT.
OKAY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR, DIRECT -- IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN, CAN YOU DIRECT THE LIGHT? CAN YOU SEE THE LIGHT, THE LIGHT, THE LAZER LIGHT?
YES, I DO. GO UP WHERE THE LAMP IS, GO UP A LITTLE HIGHER, TO THE RIGHT, TO THE RIGHT, TO THE RIGHT. PROBABLY SOMEWHERE FROM THAT AREA TOWARDS THE PICTURE (INDICATING).
HE JUST POINTED GENERALLY BEHIND HIS BED BETWEEN THE AIR CONDITIONER AND THE PICTURE. HE SAID HIS PICTURE SHROOK -- THE PICTURE SHOOK.
IT WAS TO THE RIGHT I THINK CLOSE TO THE END OF THE BED. I'M NOT EXACTLY POSITIVE ON THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE PICTURE.
BUT IT WAS TO THE RIGHT -- IT WAS ON THE WALL TO THE RIGHT OF THE BED AS YOU FACE THE BED FROM THE --
IT WAS TO THE RIGHT OF THE AIR CONDITIONER SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BED QUITE POSSIBLY ABOVE THAT NIGHTSTAND, YES.
BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE AIR CONDITIONER IS ON THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR? CAN YOU SEE IT?
WELL, IT'S -- THERE'S THAT BRIGHT AREA TO THE LEFT UPPER OF THE LAMP SHADE. THAT -- TO THE LEFT. THAT APPEARS TO BE THE OPEN DOOR TO THE BATHROOM ON MY SCREEN, AND THEN DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, RIGHT THERE, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE AIR CONDITIONER IS (INDICATING).
OKAY. NOW, DID MR. KAELIN TELL YOU WHAT TIME HE HEARD THAT CRASHING SOUND OVER HIS BED ON THE WALL OVER HIS BED?
AND DID HE POINT OUT THE PICTURE THAT HE SAID MOVED WHEN HE HEARD THAT CRASHING SOUND OR THAT THUMPING SOUND?
YES. DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BED WHICH WAS CLOSEST TO THE BATHROOM, THERE WAS A PILE OF CLOTHES AND A PAIR OF SHOES.
I DIDN'T KNOW. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THEM. THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE CLOTHES THAT APPEARED TO BE ANYTHING THAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH. I LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SOLES OF THE SHOES. THERE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ANYTHING ON IT. I PUT THEM BACK IN THEIR ORIGINAL POSITION.
WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING -- WHAT DID YOU EXPECT TO FIND OR WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU MIGHT FIND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SHOES?
I DIDN'T KNOW, BUT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS POSSIBLY ANY BLOOD ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SHOES OR DIRT OR THE SOLE DESIGN.
UH-HUH. DID YOU ASK HIM WHETHER -- MR. KAELIN WHETHER HE HAD BEEN WEARING THOSE SHOES AND THAT CLOTHING THE NIGHT BEFORE?
OKAY. AFTER LOOKING THROUGH THE CLOTHES AND THE SHOES, SIR, DID YOU HAVE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH MR. KAELIN?
YES. WELL, MR. KAELIN OFFERED -- HE DESCRIBED THAT WHEN HE HEARD THAT NOISE, INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WAS AN EARTHQUAKE, BUT NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED. SO HE WENT OUT TO INVESTIGATE.
HE WENT AROUND THE NORTH SIDE PAST THE POOL, NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE AND WALKED THE SAME PATHWAY THAT WE HAD USED TO APPROACH HIS -- HIS ROOM.
HE SAID HE SAW A LIMO IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN HE PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE AREA WHERE HE WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE, BUT HE DIDN'T DESCRIBE ANYTHING ANY FARTHER.
NOW, THE AREA ON THE WALL WHERE HE INDICATED HE HEARD THE THUMPS, COULD YOU TELL WHERE THAT -- THE EXTERIOR OF THAT POINT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY?
SO AFTER HE TOLD YOU THAT HE HAD GONE OUT TO INVESTIGATE THE THUMPS AND GOTTEN TO THE DRIVEWAY AND SEEN THE LIMO DRIVER, DID HE TELL YOU WHERE HE WENT AFTER THAT POINT?
I ASKED MR. KAELIN IF HE WOULD COME WITH ME, AND WE EXITED HIS ROOM AND I LOOKED TOWARDS THE MAIN HOUSE AND I SAW THERE WAS AN OPEN DOOR, THE REAR OFF THE PATIO.
CAN YOU TELL US -- CAN YOU SHOW US, SIR, THE PATH THAT YOU TOOK ON THE DIAGRAM MARKED PEOPLE'S 66 IN THE COMPANY OF MR. KAELIN?
YES. WE EXITED MR. KAELIN'S ROOM. WE WALKED UP THESE STAIRS, WENT TOWARDS THE MAIN HOUSE, PROBABLY THESE STAIRS RIGHT HERE. THERE'S A DOOR RIGHT HERE THAT WAS PARTIALLY OPEN (INDICATING). I BELIEVE IT HAD A SCREEN ON IT ALSO. WALKED INTO THAT DOOR. IT LED INTO A BAR AREA JUST TO THE LEFT OF A BILLIARD TABLE THAT YOU STEP DOWN INTO.
I DIDN'T KNOW. I HAD NOT SEEN THIS DOOR OPEN PRIOR. SO I ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE INSIDE THE RESIDENCE.
AND THE DOOR, WAS IT STANDING -- THAT REAR DOOR, WAS IT STANDING OPEN WHEN YOU WENT IN WITH MR. KAELIN?
DID YOU ASK FOR HIS ASSISTANCE IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE HOUSE OR WAS THAT OBVIOUS TO YOU?
I MIGHT HAVE. BUT I NOTICED THE DOOR -- MR. KAELIN COULD HAVE -- COULD HAVE LED ME THERE. I'M NOT POSITIVE WHICH WAY THAT WENT.
WHEN I FIRST WALKED IN, I NOTICED THIS AREA, YOU STEP DOWN WHERE THERE'S A LARGE BILLIARD TABLE AND THEN DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF WHERE WE CAME IN, THERE'S A BAR AREA WITH FOUR OR FIVE BAR STOOLS. AND I ASKED MR. KAELIN TO SIT IN ONE OF THOSE STOOLS AND RELAX AND SOMEBODY WOULD TALK TO HIM IN A MINUTE.
GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. NOW, AT THAT POINT, HAD YOU ASKED MR. KAELIN WHERE MR. SIMPSON WAS OR WHERE HE COULD BE FOUND?
DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT THAT POINT WHETHER THE DEFENDANT WAS HOME OR OUT OF TOWN OR WHAT HIS WHEREABOUTS WERE?
DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THE -- WHAT TIME THE DEFENDANT HAD COME OR GONE FROM HIS RESIDENCE THAT NIGHT?
AND DID YOU EVER OBTAIN AN ANSWER TO THE INITIAL QUESTION YOU ASKED MR. KAELIN ABOUT WHETHER THE BRONCO, THE WHITE BRONCO BELONGED TO MR. SIMPSON?
AFTER YOU GOT -- YOU PUT KATO -- YOU GOT -- YOU TOOK KATO TO THE BAR AREA, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
I LEFT HIM AT THAT LOCATION AND I TRIED TO FIND WHERE THE DETECTIVE -- THE OTHER THREE DETECTIVES HAD WALKED TO.
I WALKED TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR. THERE'S A HALLWAY TYPE AREA. AND AS I WALKED PAST THERE, THERE WAS AN OPEN DOORWAY, AND I SAW ALL THREE DETECTIVES IN THE KITCHEN AREA.
OKAY. SO DID YOU WALK -- DID YOU WALK THROUGH THE KITCHEN AREA OR THROUGH THE LIVING ROOM AREA?
I THINK IT'S THE LIVING ROOM AREA THAT THERE'S A HALLWAY THAT ACCESSES THE KITCHEN THROUGH A SMALL DOORWAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TURN LEFT, BUT THE HALLWAY GOES SOMEWHAT DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR.
BY MS. CLARK: AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SHOWING YOU THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AHEAD OF TIME SO YOU COULD ORIENT YOURSELF, BUT DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN IN PEOPLE'S 11?
YES. JUST OFF CENTER IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER AREA, YOU SEE AN OPEN DOOR. THAT'S THE REAR DOOR I WAS SPEAKING OF COMING FROM THE PATIO AREA. THERE'S SEVERAL FRAMED PHOTOGRAPHS YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT DOORWAY THAT WOULD BE LEADING DOWN INTO THE BILLIARD AREA. THERE'S A LARGE PICTURE DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT OF THAT. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A LARGE NEIMAN THAT WAS AT THE SOUTH WALL OF THE BILLIARD ROOM. THE BAR AREA IS WHERE ALL THE CHAIRS ARE TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT CORNER OF THIS. AND IF YOU WALK DIRECTLY PAST THAT BAR AREA GOING TO THE RIGHT OF THE PICTURE, YOU WOULD BE GOING DOWN THE HALLWAY THAT WOULD LET YOU SEE THE DOORWAY THAT LEADS INTO THE KITCHEN.
OKAY. IF YOU WOULD DIRECT THE LIGHT I'M GOING TO BE SHINING ON THE SCREEN NOW. CAN YOU SEE THE LIGHT?
STRAIGHT UP, RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THE BAR STOOLS. IT WAS -- THEY'RE BAR STOOLS THAT SIT AT A NORMAL LEVEL OF A CHAIR, NOT AN ELEVATED BAR STOOL.
DIRECTLY -- USE YOUR POINTER AND GO DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT PAST -- THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL THAT YOU'RE NOW TOUCHING WOULD BE THE HALLWAY THAT LEADS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE KITCHEN.
NO. IT'S ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST WONDERING, IF YOU WEREN'T GOING TO USE IT ANYMORE, LET'S TAKE IT DOWN. BUT IF YOU PLAN TO USE IT AGAIN, BE MY GUEST.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR I'M GOING TO GET. THAT'S WHY -- TO SAVE TIME, I WAS LEAVING IT THERE. BUT I WILL USE IT AGAIN.
OKAY. DID YOU EXIT THROUGH THAT DOOR, SIR, WHEN YOU INDICATED TO US EARLIER THAT YOU WENT DOWN A HALLWAY TOWARD THE FRONT DOOR?
I BELIEVE ONE DETECTIVE WAS ON THE PHONE, THAT DETECTIVE NOT BEING VANNATTER. I BELIEVE PHILLIPS WAS ON THE PHONE, BUT I CAN'T BE POSITIVE ABOUT THAT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS OR DETECTIVE LANGE BEFORE LEAVING THE FRONT DOOR?
WHAT WAS THE -- YOU SPOKE TO DETECTIVE -- YOU WERE WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, LANGE AND VANNATTER AT THE POINT THAT YOU FIRST WENT TO MR. KAELIN'S ROOM I BELIEVE YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND WAS THAT THE LAST TIME THAT YOU SPOKE TO THEM OR YOU WERE WITH THEM BEFORE YOU WENT OUT THE FRONT DOOR? DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THEM BEFORE LEAVING KATO IN THE BAR AND GOING OUT THE FRONT DOOR?
AND OTHER THAN THAT, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION WITH DETECTIVE VANNATTER, DETECTIVE LANGE OR DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
I WAS TRYING TO ORIENT MYSELF FROM WHERE THIS SOUTH WALL OF KATO'S BEDROOM COULD BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
ALL RIGHT. YOU INDICATED EARLIER, SIR, THAT WHEN YOU LOOKED INSIDE THE REAR CARGO AREA OF THE BRONCO, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US A SHOVEL AND A PIECE OF PLASTIC. DO YOU RECALL THAT, SIR?
YOUR HONOR, I HAVE HERE WHAT I WOULD LIKE MARKED PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, BE PEOPLE'S 1 --
I WOULD LIKE TO UNSEAL IT IF I COULD, YOUR HONOR, AND HAVE THE WITNESS IDENTIFY IT.
I'M JUST GOING TO CUT THROUGH -- IT APPEARS TO BE CURRENTLY SEALED WITH TAPE WITH AN ANALYZED EVIDENCE MARKER ON IT, SID MARKER ON IT. IT'S I BELIEVE BEEN EXAMINED. AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M CUTTING THROUGH THE SEAL AND THE TAPE. I THINK RATHER THAN TAKING THIS COMPLETELY OUT, I'M JUST GOING TO TEAR THIS SO THAT IT CAN BE SEEN.
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE, PEOPLE'S 113?
THANK YOU. AND NOW, YOU ALSO DESCRIBED A PIECE OF PLASTIC THAT YOU SAW IN THE POCKET ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CARGO AREA?
IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S NOW ON THE SCREEN, PEOPLE'S 109, DO YOU SEE A WHITE OBJECT UNDERNEATH THE HANDLE OF THE SHOVEL, SIR?
I WAS LOOKING FROM THAT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE. SO I MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN SEEN THAT WHITE OBJECT. MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUT OF MY VIEW.
BY MS. CLARK: I'M SHOWING YOU THE BOX THAT'S NOW BEEN MARKED PEOPLE'S 114. GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO CUT IT, BREAK THE SEAL.
FOR THE RECORD, YOUR HONOR, THE BOX IS CURRENTLY TAPED AND THERE'S AN LAPD SEALED EVIDENCE TAG THAT IS UNBROKEN OVER THE TOP OF IT.
BY MS. CLARK: IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO AHEAD CUT IT AND DESCRIBE YOUR ACTIONS AS YOU DO, SIR.
I'M CUTTING THE TAPE ON BOTH ENDS OF THE BOX. I'M NOW CUTTING THE CENTER OF THE TAPE THAT'S GOING OVER THE ANALYZED EVIDENCE SEAL.
I'M OPENING THE BOX AND I -- THERE'S A BROWN PAPER BAG WITH AN L.A. EVIDENCE SEAL.
CAN YOU -- THIS ITEM THAT HAS THE NUMBER ITEM NO. 93 ON IT, PHOTO NO. 64 ON IT, IS IT CURRENTLY SEALED?
YES. CUTTING THE SEAL ON THE PACKAGE. I'M OPENING THE PACKAGE AND REMOVING A FOLDED PIECE OF HEAVY GAUGE PLASTIC.
YES, SIR. IT APPEARS TO BE A BAG THAT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE FOOT BY FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
ALL RIGHT. FOR THE RECORD, DETECTIVE FUHRMAN IS NOW REFOLDING THE PLASTIC, PLACED IT ON TOP OF THE BOX.
BY MS. CLARK: THERE IS ANOTHER BAG INSIDE THIS BOX, SIR. I'M GOING TO BRING IT OVER TO YOU. IS IT CURRENTLY SEALED?
WOULD YOU PLEASE REPLACE THE -- HOLD THE TOWEL UP, SHOW THE JURY? THANK YOU. PUT IT BACK IN THE BAG.
IT'S CURRENTLY WRAPPED UP IN BROWN PAPER AND IT APPEARS TO BE SEALED, AND IT BEARS THE DR NUMBER 940817431.
BY MS. CLARK: SIR, IS THAT THE -- IF YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE SAME NUMBER THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE BAG THAT YOU'VE JUST REPLACED THE TOWEL BACK INTO?
COULD YOU PLEASE OPEN THAT PACKAGE, SIR, DESCRIBE WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?
I'M CUTTING THE BROWN TAPE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE EVIDENCE TAG, UNROLLING THE BROWN PAPER. THERE'S ANOTHER WHITE PAPER ALSO. IT HAS LAPD ANALYZED EVIDENCE SEALS ON IT WITH THE DR 940817431. CUTTING THROUGH THOSE SEALS.
THAT'S THE PIECE OF WOOD THAT I FOUND TO THE LEFT OF THE WHITE FRONT TIRE OF THE BRONCO THAT WAS LYING ON THE PARKWAY.
DO YOU SEE THE ITEM THAT YOU'VE JUST UNWRAPPED THAT WE'VE MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 115 IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
AND CAN YOU PLEASE -- HOLD IT UP FOR THE JURY AND TELL US IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN ITS APPEARANCE TODAY THAN YOU -- THAN IN THE WAY YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU SAW IT ON JUNE THE 13TH?
THE -- YES. THERE'S A PIECE OF PLASTIC OVER AN EXPOSED NAIL AND THE WHITE PAINT SEEMS TO BE SOILED WITH FINGERPRINT POWDER AND THE WOOD PROBABLY IS JUST SLIGHTLY LESS FRESH APPEARING THAN IT WAS THE DAY I OBSERVED IT.
ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONCLUDE FOR THE MORNING SESSION. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITION TO YOU; DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, DON'T FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DON'T CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR YOUR DECISION, ALSO, DO NOT ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU REGARDING THE CASE. WE WILL SEE YOU MONDAY MORNING 9:00 A.M. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- I WOULD LIKE THE ATTORNEYS TO REMAIN AFTER WE HAVE EXCUSED THE JURY. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME DISCOVERY AND OTHER MATTERS. ALL RIGHT. DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, YOU MAY STEP DOWN. YOU ARE ORDERED TO RETURN MONDAY MORNING AT 9:00 A.M. THANK YOU, SIR.
I looked at it and it looked reddish brown and translucent qualities to it and appeared to be dry blood.
There was a shovel that was approximately five feet long... turned point down; in other words, the cutting edge down, and there was a large piece of heavy gauge plastic that was tucked in a side cargo area in the rear part of the vehicle.
I think I made the statement and then he just said, 'Okay.'
He said about 10:45 P.M. the previous night... he heard a crash or a thump on his wall. He thought there was going to be an earthquake and his picture shook.
I saw 'O.J. Simpson' on the address or 'O.J. Simpson Enterprises' and 'Attention Cathy.'