Cross-examination of Arnelle Simpson (part 1)

📄 Cross-examination of Arnelle Simpson (part 1) — Monday, July 10, 1995

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◀ Direct examination of Arnelle Simpson (part 6) Afternoon session opening ▶

Witness: Arnelle Simpson
Examiner: Marcia Clark
Called by: Defense • Date: Monday, July 10, 1995 • Utterances: 465

Marcia Clark cross-examined Arnelle Simpson — OJ's adult daughter — about Rockingham's layout and alarm system, the maid Gigi's schedule, OJ's relationship timeline with Nicole and Paula Barbieri, and the sequence of phone calls on the morning police arrived on June 13th. Clark methodically established gaps in Arnelle's knowledge: she had not been in the main house all of June 12th, did not know when OJ left or where he was, could not confirm whether Gigi was on the premises, and could not clearly recall the order of phone calls that morning. Clark also floated a theory that OJ re-gifted an expensive bracelet from Nicole to Paula Barbieri around the time of their final breakup, though sustained objections blocked her from connecting those dots directly.

# 1 MS. CLARK:

Thank you, your Honor.

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MS. CLARK

# 2 MS. CLARK:

Good afternoon.

# 3 MS. SIMPSON:

Hi.

# 4 MS. CLARK:

We have done this before, haven't we?

# 5 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes, we have.

# 6 MS. CLARK:

At the prelim?

# 7 MS. SIMPSON:

Uh-huh.

# 8 MS. CLARK:

I'll try to make it as quick as I can for you.

# 9 MS. SIMPSON:

Okay.

# 10 MS. CLARK:

Let me just ask you, since you guys left off at June 13th, when people were coming and going at Rockingham, do you recall seeing Skip Taft there?

# 11 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 12 MS. CLARK:

Yes. And Skip Taft, that's your father's lawyer, correct?

# 13 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes, he is.

# 14 MS. CLARK:

And did you also see Howard Weitzman there?

# 15 MS. SIMPSON:

Howard Weitzman, I don't--

# 16 MS. CLARK:

Don't recall him?

# 17 MS. SIMPSON:

I'm sometimes bad with names. I'm better with faces.

# 18 MS. CLARK:

Okay. If I describe him, will that help?

# 19 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 20 MS. CLARK:

I hope he's not watching this. Okay. He's about--oh, about this tall (Indicating) and he's kind of ruddy complected.

KEY QUOTE

# 21 MR. COCHRAN:

About this tall? Can we have a--about this tall?

# 22 MS. CLARK:

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm gesturing.

# 23 MS. CLARK:

I mean--wait. No. With heels on, I'm five eight. He's about my height.

# 24 MS. SIMPSON:

Uh-huh.

# 25 MS. CLARK:

5/8, 5/9 and ruddy complected.

# 26 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to this description.

# 27 MS. CLARK:

Balding.

# 28 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 29 MS. CLARK:

I'm just--kind of balding, ruddy complected. He's a lawyer also.

# 30 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't recall.

# 31 MS. CLARK:

Okay. There were a lot of people there that day?

# 32 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 33 MS. CLARK:

All right. Now, you indicated that you visited Nicole at Bundy on occasion.

# 34 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 35 MS. CLARK:

Is that correct? And was that alone or was that with your father?

# 36 MS. SIMPSON:

Sometimes with my dad, sometimes alone, sometimes with a friend.

# 37 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And when you did that, when you went to visit her, where would you park?

# 38 MS. SIMPSON:

I'd usually park on Bundy.

# 39 MS. CLARK:

And where on Bundy did you park?

# 40 MS. SIMPSON:

Right in front of the house.

# 41 MS. CLARK:

You could leave your car right there in front?

# 42 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes. I believe so. I would.

# 43 MS. CLARK:

Okay. What time of day was it that you'd usually parked there?

# 44 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, sometimes at night, sometimes in the morning, sometimes during the day.

# 45 MS. CLARK:

So you came all different times?

# 46 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 47 MS. CLARK:

As of late `93, Nicole had a black Jeep Cherokee, didn't she?

# 48 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes, she did.

# 49 MS. CLARK:

And also a white Ferrari?

# 50 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 51 MS. CLARK:

And you would see those parked at Bundy whenever you went by there, went to visit?

# 52 MS. SIMPSON:

Not from the front.

# 53 MS. CLARK:

From the back?

# 54 MS. SIMPSON:

Yeah. Yes.

# 55 MS. CLARK:

And there would be occasions sometimes when you would pull up behind the back also maybe to come and get the kids, pull into that alley behind her condo?

# 56 MS. SIMPSON:

I usually always pulled in the front.

# 57 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Was that because you were coming in to visit her, come inside the condo?

# 58 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 59 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Was there ever an occasion when you came by just to pick up the kids or just to drop them off when you'd just pull in behind in that alley?

# 60 MS. SIMPSON:

I never used the alley.

# 61 MS. CLARK:

You didn't?

# 62 MS. SIMPSON:

No, I didn't.

# 63 MS. CLARK:

Now, you stated that you knew that Mr. Simpson traveled on the week of June the 6th of 1994?

# 64 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 65 MS. CLARK:

Can you tell us where he--where he traveled to?

# 66 MS. SIMPSON:

I can't tell you specifically. I knew he was out of town, but I didn't know where exactly he was going.

# 67 MS. CLARK:

Can you tell us what days he was out of town?

# 68 MS. SIMPSON:

I believe that he had left on a Sunday and returned--or left on a--actually a Monday or Tuesday and returned on that Friday.

# 69 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And do you know if he went out of town again after that Friday like on Friday night?

# 70 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 71 MS. CLARK:

And you're not sure; it might be Monday or Tuesday that he left?

# 72 MS. SIMPSON:

Yeah.

# 73 MS. CLARK:

Now, would it be fair to state that you're not exactly sure of what day Mr. Simpson and Nicole Brown broke up for the last time?

# 74 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 75 MS. CLARK:

Now, she was sick for a period of time in May; is that right?

# 76 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 77 MS. CLARK:

And that was for more than a week or so. That was kind of an extended illness?

# 78 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 79 MS. CLARK:

Would you say that was for like two or three weeks that she was pretty sick with pneumonia?

# 80 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 81 MS. CLARK:

Okay. You know her birthday was on May 19th, right?

# 82 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 83 MS. CLARK:

And she was still sick when she--when that was her--when her birthday came around; is that right? She was sick with pneumonia for her birthday?

# 84 MS. SIMPSON:

I believe so, yes.

# 85 MS. CLARK:

And during the time she was sick, your father visited her once to bring her some soup; is that right?

# 86 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 87 MS. CLARK:

Now, you recall the present that he gave her for her birthday, a real expensive bracelet?

# 88 MS. SIMPSON:

No, I didn't know that.

# 89 MS. CLARK:

You didn't know about that bracelet?

# 90 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 91 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall that she gave it back to him on her--

# 92 MR. COCHRAN:

Objection, your Honor. Assumes she knows about it.

# 93 THE COURT:

Sustained. Assumes facts that aren't in evidence. Foundation.

# 94 MS. CLARK:

All right. You don't know then what your father gave her if anything for her birthday?

# 95 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 96 MS. CLARK:

Or whether she gave it back to him after that point when they broke up?

# 97 MR. COCHRAN:

Objection, your Honor.

# 98 THE COURT:

Sustained.

# 99 MS. CLARK:

All right. Do you know whether Mr. Simpson gave a gift to Paula shortly after Nicole's birthday?

# 100 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 101 MS. CLARK:

Was that a bracelet?

# 102 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 103 MS. CLARK:

A real expensive one, diamonds and stuff on it?

# 104 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 105 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And do you know who had that bracelet if anyone before her?

# 106 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 107 MS. CLARK:

And was it about around memorial day, around there when he gave it to Paula?

# 108 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't recall exactly.

# 109 MS. CLARK:

Does that sound about right? You're kind of--

# 110 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't recall exactly. So, you know--

# 111 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Well, let me ask you this. Do you know if your father went to La Quinta with Paula on memorial day weekend?

# 112 MS. SIMPSON:

I knew my dad was out of town, but I wasn't sure where he went.

# 113 MS. CLARK:

Okay. You don't know who he went with; is that right?

# 114 MR. COCHRAN:

Assumes a fact not in evidence.

# 115 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 116 MS. SIMPSON:

I would say--I don't recall.

# 117 MS. CLARK:

Okay.

# 118 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't--

# 119 MS. CLARK:

All right. Now, during the time of `93 to `94 when you indicated that they were attempting to reconcile, Mr. Simpson and Nicole Brown, can you tell us till when--from approximately when--was it March or April of `93 that it began, that reconciliation period?

# 120 MS. SIMPSON:

I believe it began the end of April.

# 121 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And from that time until some point in May, because you're not sure about the time, but from that point until some time in May of `94, is it your belief that they were together and were not dating other people?

# 122 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, I know they started to date each other exclusively May of `93 to May of `94.

KEY QUOTE

# 123 MS. CLARK:

All right. Now, were you aware that he had traveled to Hawaii with Paula Barbieri between those two times, May of `93 to May of `94?

# 124 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to the form of that question.

# 125 THE COURT:

Sustained.

# 126 MR. COCHRAN:

Misstates the evidence.

# 127 THE COURT:

Rephrase the question.

# 128 MS. CLARK:

All right. Were you present in Court when Kato Kaelin testified?

# 129 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 130 MS. CLARK:

Were you watching television or aware of any of his testimony?

# 131 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 132 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall your father taking a trip to Hawaii between May of `93 and May of `94?

# 133 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 134 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, you did not--you testified that you did not see Paula Barbieri at the location at Rockingham. Were you at Rockingham every day between May of `93 and May of `94?

# 135 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 136 MS. CLARK:

All right. And you didn't see who your father traveled with when he traveled, correct?

# 137 MR. COCHRAN:

I'm going to object. Assumes facts not in evidence, speculative.

# 138 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 139 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 140 MS. CLARK:

So if he visited with somebody out of town, you wouldn't know about that, would you?

# 141 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 142 MS. CLARK:

All right. Now, you said that you stayed at the New York condo quite a bit?

# 143 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 144 MS. CLARK:

Is that a condo or an apartment? I don't want to misstate it.

# 145 MS. SIMPSON:

Apartment. Yeah. Apartment.

# 146 MS. CLARK:

And was that apartment near a department store named Bloomingdales?

# 147 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 148 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And did you shop there often?

# 149 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 150 MS. CLARK:

And did your father also shop there often?

# 151 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 152 MS. CLARK:

Did you ever attend any of the football games where he was a commentator there?

# 153 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 154 MS. CLARK:

Okay. I wanted to ask you about, at Rockingham, how many keys were there for the doors to the main house?

# 155 MS. SIMPSON:

One.

# 156 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And so that one key would open the front and the rear doors?

# 157 MS. SIMPSON:

The front door. There aren't any locks on the rear doors. Well, on some of them there are actually.

# 158 MS. CLARK:

And is it the same key for those locks?

# 159 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, to be honest with you, I don't know. I don't believe so.

# 160 MS. CLARK:

You don't think so?

# 161 MS. SIMPSON:

No. I didn't have the key. The locks are very high up on the doors in the rear.

# 162 MS. CLARK:

Hmm. Let me--

# 163 MS. CLARK:

Can I have a moment?

# 164 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)

# 165 MS. CLARK:

So you're talking about the French doors at the rear of the house where it's very high up?

# 166 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 167 MS. CLARK:

Is there another door that leads into the billiard room that is just a regular door?

# 168 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 169 MS. CLARK:

That you can go in through. Okay. And you had the key to that door?

# 170 MS. SIMPSON:

There is no--it's only locked from the inside of the house. There's no lock from the outside.

# 171 MS. CLARK:

You can't open it from the outside?

# 172 MS. SIMPSON:

No, you can not.

# 173 MS. CLARK:

Is there another door that leads into the billiard room or actually--you know, there's an area you walk into and the billiard room is to your left?

# 174 MS. SIMPSON:

Uh-huh.

# 175 MS. CLARK:

Okay. That door. Can you open that one from the outside?

# 176 MS. SIMPSON:

It's in the billiard room you're speaking of?

# 177 MS. CLARK:

I don't think it's in the billiard room. It's--the billiard room as you walk in would be to your left.

# 178 MS. SIMPSON:

So towards the TV's?

# 179 MS. CLARK:

Toward the TV room, correct.

# 180 MS. SIMPSON:

There's a little--those doors are nailed shut.

# 181 MS. CLARK:

Okay. What means do you gain entry from the rear of the house when you try--if you were trying to go into the rear of the house, what door would you take?

# 182 MS. SIMPSON:

You can't. You would have to go around to the front.

# 183 MS. CLARK:

There's no door that admits you in through the rear of the house?

# 184 MS. SIMPSON:

No, unless--unless you go through the guest house.

# 185 MS. CLARK:

What about through--

# 186 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)

# 187 MS. CLARK:

May I have a moment, your Honor?

# 188 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)

# 189 MS. CLARK:

I'm going to get out an exhibit.

# 190 MS. CLARK:

In the meantime, let me ask you another question so are don't waste time. You're familiar with the alarm system in the house, correct?

# 191 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 192 MS. CLARK:

All right. So there's an alarm--the--there's an alarm sensor for the rear door, isn't there?

# 193 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 194 MS. CLARK:

And that alarm sensor has a 40-second delay, correct?

# 195 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 196 MS. CLARK:

So if you enter through the rear door, you have 40 seconds to get to a keypad to disarm the alarm, correct?

# 197 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 198 MS. CLARK:

And the maid's room has a keypad in it for the alarm, right?

# 199 MS. SIMPSON:

Not in the maid's room, but--

# 200 MS. CLARK:

Just outside it?

# 201 MS. SIMPSON:

Yeah.

# 202 MS. CLARK:

Right. I know what you mean. Okay. And that would be kind of like next to the laundry room?

# 203 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 204 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Is there a common wall between the laundry room and the maid's room?

# 205 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 206 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, you indicated that before you entered--let me ask you this. Before you entered the house with the police officers while you were between the point when you left your room and got into the house, do you recall having a conversation with them about whether there was a maid on the premises?

# 207 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 208 MS. CLARK:

And do you recall them asking you about whether there was a maid present?

# 209 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 210 MS. CLARK:

And you told them Gigi was usually there?

# 211 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 212 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And do you recall them asking where the maid's room was?

# 213 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 214 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall them asking you to show you the maid's room?

# 215 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 216 MS. CLARK:

For you to show them the maid's room?

# 217 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 218 MS. CLARK:

You don't recall doing any of that?

# 219 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 220 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall either of them going into the maid's room at some point after you entered the house?

# 221 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 222 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall any of them standing near that area in the maid's room?

# 223 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes, because the phone is right there that we had used in the kitchen.

# 224 MS. CLARK:

And do you recall going past the maid's room when you went and entered the house?

# 225 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 226 MS. CLARK:

Now, as of June the 12th, 1994, the maid's in residence name was Gigi?

# 227 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 228 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And she worked Monday to Friday; is that right?

# 229 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 230 MS. CLARK:

Did she usually leave on Friday night or Saturday morning?

# 231 MS. SIMPSON:

Friday night.

# 232 MS. CLARK:

She didn't come back to the house on Sunday night, June the 12th; is that correct?

# 233 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 234 MS. CLARK:

Now, are you aware that Mr. Simpson told her not to come back on that Sunday night?

# 235 MR. COCHRAN:

Your Honor, I object. Hearsay, misstates the evidence.

# 236 THE COURT:

Sustained. Sustained.

# 237 MS. CLARK:

Did you have a conversation with Gigi about any instruction she may have had about whether or not to come back to the house on Sunday night?

# 238 MR. COCHRAN:

Objection, your Honor. May we approach, your Honor? I object to this.

# 239 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 240 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 241 MS. CLARK:

Now, then is it your testimony that if you were to be inside the house and you wanted to go out to the pool area, you would have to go all the way--you would have to go out the front entrance and go all the way through that area marked as "Lawn" at the back to get to the pool?

# 242 MS. SIMPSON:

Can you repeat that for me?

# 243 MS. CLARK:

Sure. Is it your testimony that if you were inside the house and you wanted to go and use the pool area, you'd have to go out through the front door and down the driveway and up through that area marked "Lawn"--

# 244 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to the form of the question.

# 245 MS. CLARK:

--to the pool?

# 246 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 247 MS. SIMPSON:

If I were to go out to the pool from out--from inside the house?

# 248 MS. CLARK:

Right.

# 249 MS. SIMPSON:

I could leave through the door, through the back--well, the one back door.

# 250 MS. CLARK:

And which door would that be?

# 251 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, the door which is closest to the pool table area. Should I show you?

# 252 MS. CLARK:

Sure. Thanks.

# 253 MS. SIMPSON:

Right here. Yeah (Indicating).

# 254 THE COURT:

Indicating the southern and eastern most portion of the house before you get to the poolroom.

# 255 MS. CLARK:

Thank you.

# 256 THE COURT:

See that, Mr. Cochran?

# 257 MR. COCHRAN:

I got there just in time. I think the southern most portion did you say?

# 258 THE COURT:

The southern most portion before you get to the poolroom.

# 259 MR. COCHRAN:

Thank you.

# 260 THE COURT:

The door that's there.

# 261 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, the time that you had that conversation with the officers about the maid and who was on the premises, you were outside the house still at that point, correct?

# 262 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 263 MS. CLARK:

Now, you indicated that on June the 12th, that morning, you left at approximately 10:00, 10 o'clock that morning?

# 264 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 265 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And at the time that you left, did you go into the main house?

# 266 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 267 MS. CLARK:

And you came back at approximately what time after church?

# 268 MS. SIMPSON:

11:00, 11:10.

# 269 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And then you left again at what time?

# 270 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, around 12:30.

# 271 MS. CLARK:

At any point after you--at any point in there when you came back from church, between that time and when you left again at 12:30, did you go into the main house?

# 272 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 273 MS. CLARK:

Did you see Kato Kaelin at any point in there?

# 274 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 275 MS. CLARK:

Did you see Mr. Simpson at any point?

# 276 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 277 MS. CLARK:

After you left at 12:30 P.M., you came back again at about 1:00 A.M.?

# 278 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 279 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Is that an approximation, 1:00 to 1:30, something like that?

# 280 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 281 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And at that point, did you go straight back to your--your room?

# 282 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 283 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And when you went to your room, you would have to have walked by Kato Kaelin's room; is that correct?

# 284 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 285 MS. CLARK:

Now, you've testified earlier that you knew that he was home that night, correct?

# 286 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 287 MS. CLARK:

And how did you know that? Did you see lights on in his room or--

# 288 MS. SIMPSON:

His car.

# 289 MS. CLARK:

His car was there?

# 290 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 291 MS. CLARK:

So the next time--all right. So during the day of June the 12th, the entire day, there was no point at which you went into the main house; is that right?

# 292 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 293 MS. CLARK:

And what about June the 11th? Was there any time that you went into the main house on that day?

# 294 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 295 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And on that day, what was--what time was it when you went into the main house?

# 296 MS. SIMPSON:

In the evening.

# 297 MS. CLARK:

Was that late at night?

# 298 MS. SIMPSON:

Around--yeah. Around 9:00 or 10:00.

# 299 MS. CLARK:

Was anybody in the house at that time?

# 300 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 301 MS. CLARK:

Now, if between--what was the last time you were in the main house between June 11th and June 13th?

# 302 MS. SIMPSON:

Between June 11th and June 13th?

# 303 MS. CLARK:

Yeah. I'll be more specific. I'm sorry. June 11th, you were in the house between 9:00 and 10:00 P.M.; is that right?

# 304 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 305 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And then you did not really go back into the main house after that point until around 5:30 A.M. on June the 13th. Is that a fair statement?

# 306 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 307 MS. CLARK:

Okay. So if Gigi had returned between those two times, you would not have known it?

# 308 MR. COCHRAN:

Objection. Calls for speculation. Objection. Calls for speculation.

# 309 THE COURT:

Sustained.

# 310 MS. CLARK:

Would you have any way of knowing if Gigi came back between 9:00 or 10:00 at night on June the 11th and 5:30 A.M. June the 13th?

# 311 MS. SIMPSON:

Umm, that's a two-part question. Can I answer it?

# 312 MS. CLARK:

Sure.

# 313 MR. COCHRAN:

Object if it's compound.

# 314 THE COURT:

Rephrase the question.

# 315 MS. CLARK:

I think she was objecting, compound.

# 316 MS. CLARK:

Okay. What--do you have any way of knowing when Gigi is on or off the premises other than seeing her there?

# 317 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 318 MS. CLARK:

And what is that?

# 319 MS. SIMPSON:

Her car.

# 320 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Does she always bring her car to the house?

# 321 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 322 MS. CLARK:

Does she always park it in the same place?

# 323 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 324 MS. CLARK:

Where is that?

# 325 MS. SIMPSON:

In the driveway right kind of where the garage is, right in front of the garage.

# 326 MS. CLARK:

So she parks it inside the gate when she's there?

# 327 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 328 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, on the night of--let me come back to that in a minute. Now, when the officers asked you--first contacted you at around 5:30 A.M. at your room, they indicated to you that they had been ringing and trying to reach someone in the house, correct?

# 329 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 330 MS. CLARK:

You hadn't heard anything, had you?

# 331 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 332 MS. CLARK:

Had you heard Chachi barking that night?

# 333 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 334 MS. CLARK:

You hadn't heard anything unusual at all?

# 335 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 336 MS. CLARK:

And when the officers asked you where Mr. Simpson was, you didn't--you told--you didn't tell them, did you?

# 337 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 338 MS. CLARK:

Because you didn't know, did you?

# 339 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 340 MS. CLARK:

And the officers, you never told them what time Mr. Simpson left to go out of town, did you?

# 341 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 342 MS. CLARK:

And that's because you didn't know, did you?

# 343 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to the form of the question.

# 344 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 345 MS. CLARK:

And that's because you didn't know, did you?

# 346 MS. SIMPSON:

No, I didn't know.

# 347 MS. CLARK:

Now, at the point in time that they woke you up about 5:30, you had had what; about four hours sleep?

# 348 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 349 MS. CLARK:

Were you pretty tired?

# 350 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 351 MS. CLARK:

And a little bit in shock?

# 352 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes. Very much so.

# 353 MS. CLARK:

And pretty frazzled?

# 354 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 355 MS. CLARK:

It was pretty upsetting, all of the events, weren't they?

# 356 MS. SIMPSON:

Yeah.

# 357 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, you believe at that time that you were first contacted--there were two officers at your door?

# 358 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 359 MS. CLARK:

Could it have been three and you didn't notice one standing back behind?

# 360 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 361 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And then after you spoke to them briefly, you came outside with them; is that correct?

# 362 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 363 MS. CLARK:

Now, during that entire conversation you had with them, the--Detective Fuhrman was not present; is that right?

# 364 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 365 MS. CLARK:

And when you left your room with them, he was in the room or he was standing in front of Kato's room talking to him?

# 366 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 367 MS. CLARK:

So at no point did you ever have any conversation with Detective Fuhrman about how to reach your father or where he was; is that right?

# 368 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 369 MS. CLARK:

And after you spoke--during the--well, after you spoke to Cathy Randa and found out where Mr. Simpson was, you did not speak to Detective Fuhrman; is that right?

# 370 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 371 MS. CLARK:

And during the time that you were having that conversation, that telephone call with her, Cathy Randa, Detective Fuhrman was not around; is that correct?

# 372 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 373 MS. CLARK:

Now, the detectives that were with you, Vannatter and Lange and Phillips, do you recall one of them asking you whether the Bronco parked out in front was--belonged to Mr. Simpson?

# 374 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 375 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And you told them that it did; is that right?

# 376 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 377 MS. CLARK:

All right. Now, you indicated to us that you called Cathy Randa and then you gave the phone to Detective Lange, correct?

# 378 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 379 MS. CLARK:

Now, are you sure it was Detective Lange? Could that have been Detective Phillips? Is that--are you real firm about that?

# 380 MS. SIMPSON:

It could have been Phillips.

# 381 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And you also testified that there was no phone call made from that phone in the kitchen after the conversation with Cathy Randa; is that correct?

# 382 MR. COCHRAN:

Your Honor, object to that. That misstates the testimony.

# 383 THE COURT:

Sustained. Sustained. Rephrase the question.

# 384 MS. CLARK:

Let me be more clear. After you made the phone call to Cathy Randa, the detective, whether it was Lange or Phillips, spoke to Cathy Randa; is that right?

# 385 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 386 MS. CLARK:

And then after that point, is it your testimony that no phone call was placed by either yourself or the detectives before Mr. Simpson called in?

# 387 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to the form of that question, your Honor.

# 388 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 389 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 390 MS. CLARK:

Do you recall that a phone call--that immediately after speaking to Cathy Randa, one of the detectives placed a phone call on that telephone?

# 391 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't recall that.

# 392 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Is it your recollection that before anyone placed a phone call to Mr. Simpson in Chicago, he called to the house?

# 393 MS. SIMPSON:

Can you repeat that for me?

# 394 MS. CLARK:

Sure. Sure. The time frame is, the phone call to Cathy Randa.

# 395 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 396 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And you were in the kitchen with Detective Vannatter and Detective Lange and Detective Phillips; is that right?

# 397 MR. COCHRAN:

Object. That misstates the evidence. She doesn't say Vannatter was in there.

# 398 MS. CLARK:

Well, if that's not right, she can tell me.

# 399 THE COURT:

Overruled. Overruled.

# 400 MS. CLARK:

Is that right?

# 401 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 402 MS. CLARK:

And at that time, after the phone call was placed to Cathy Randa, that's when you all learned exactly where Mr. Simpson was, right?

# 403 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 404 MS. CLARK:

At that point though, just before the phone call was placed, no one there knew exactly what time he had left or where he was. Is that a fair statement?

# 405 MR. COCHRAN:

Object to the form of that question. It calls for speculation.

# 406 THE COURT:

Sustained. Rephrase the question.

# 407 MS. CLARK:

Okay. You did not know that, correct?

# 408 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 409 MS. CLARK:

And to the best of your knowledge, neither did the detectives yet?

# 410 MR. COCHRAN:

Objection. That calls for speculation, your Honor.

# 411 THE COURT:

Sustained.

# 412 MS. CLARK:

At that point, they were asking you where Mr. Simpson was and when he had left or did they ever ask you when he had left?

# 413 MS. SIMPSON:

Just that they did ask me when he had left. I said that he was out of town, but I did not know where he was, but I could call somebody that would know, and that's when I placed the call to Cathy Randa.

# 414 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And you did not tell them when he had left because you didn't know that?

# 415 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 416 MR. COCHRAN:

Asked and answered.

# 417 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 418 MS. CLARK:

And so what--then the phone call was placed to Cathy Randa, and at that point, you found out where Mr. Simpson was exactly, correct?

# 419 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 420 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And then one of the detectives, could be Phillips, could be Lange, spoke to Cathy Randa; is that right?

# 421 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 422 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And after that point--after that point, was a phone call received into the house? Did someone call the house and was that person Mr. Simpson?

# 423 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 424 MS. CLARK:

All right. And so did any of the officers place a call before that phone call was received from Mr. Simpson?

# 425 MS. SIMPSON:

I don't recall that.

# 426 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Okay. Is it that you don't recall that or you believe that that did not happen?

# 427 MR. COCHRAN:

Your Honor, object to the form of that. She says she didn't recall.

# 428 THE COURT:

Sustained.

# 429 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Give us your best recollection. Is it your--in your memory right now, is your state of mind that you received a call from Mr. Simpson before a call was placed by one of the detectives to him?

# 430 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 431 MS. CLARK:

That's what--

# 432 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 433 MS. CLARK:

Okay.

# 434 MS. CLARK:

May I have a moment, your Honor?

# 435 (Brief pause.)

# 436 MS. CLARK:

All right. You're familiar with your father's phone number, correct?

# 437 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 438 MS. CLARK:

All right. And it's--that's no longer the number, right?

# 439 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 440 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And your phone number also from your room, that's no longer your phone number either, correct?

# 441 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 442 MS. CLARK:

So it's safe to mention these numbers now, right?

# 443 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 444 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Are you also familiar with Kato Kaelin's phone number, what it used to be back there at Rockingham?

# 445 MS. SIMPSON:

No.

# 446 MS. CLARK:

But he had his own phone; is that right?

# 447 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 448 MS. CLARK:

And it rang in his room; is that right?

# 449 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 450 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And there was a separate phone number for the main house; is that right?

# 451 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 452 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Now, I believe it was your testimony that there were--that you received--you spoke to Mr. Simpson three times on June the 13th; is that right?

# 453 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 454 MS. CLARK:

Okay. And once was when you were in the kitchen, he called in?

# 455 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 456 MS. CLARK:

And once was when he called in and you were on your way to your room and it was in the TV room?

# 457 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 458 MS. CLARK:

And once was in your room?

# 459 MS. SIMPSON:

Yes.

# 460 MR. COCHRAN:

I object to the phraseology "Called," the form of the question.

# 461 THE COURT:

Overruled.

# 462 MS. CLARK:

Okay. Your Honor, I have here a phone record from air touch I would like to show the witness. I would ask that it be marked--actually I think it is already--I'm not sure if it is. I'll mark it again. People's next in order, 490?

# 463 THE COURT:

489.

# 464 MS. CLARK:

489.

# 465 (Peo's 489 for id = phone record)

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Marcia Clark

I hope he's not watching this. Okay. He's about--oh, about this tall (Indicating) and he's kind of ruddy complected.

Clark's comedic attempt to identify Howard Weitzman by physical description — one of the few genuinely light moments in an otherwise methodical cross.

Arnelle Simpson

I know they started to date each other exclusively May of `93 to May of `94.

Arnelle's firm assertion about the reconciliation window — which Clark immediately challenged with questions about OJ's trip to Hawaii with Paula Barbieri during that same period.

Arnelle Simpson

I said that he was out of town, but I did not know where he was, but I could call somebody that would know, and that's when I placed the call to Cathy Randa.

Establishes that even OJ's daughter did not know his whereabouts on the night of June 12th — undercutting any family-based alibi and showing why detectives had to contact his assistant.

Arnelle Simpson

Yes. Very much so.

Acknowledging she was deeply in shock when police woke her at 5:30 AM — Clark using this to explain and potentially discount the reliability of Arnelle's recollections about that morning.

Evidence (3)

People's 489

Phone record from Air Touch

Marked for identification at the end of the examination

Informal

Floor plan or diagram of the Rockingham property

Used to have Arnelle point out rear entry doors; Judge Ito described the indicated location for the record as 'the southern and eastern most portion of the house before you get to the poolroom'

Informal

Nicole's vehicles — black Jeep Cherokee and white Ferrari

Discussed to establish Arnelle's familiarity with Bundy and where Nicole's cars were visible from

Notable Exchanges (3)

Marcia Clark•Arnelle Simpson•Johnnie Cochran

Clark tried to establish that OJ gave Nicole an expensive diamond bracelet for her birthday, Nicole returned it when they broke up, and OJ then gave it to Paula Barbieri. Cochran's sustained objections blocked Clark from getting Arnelle to link the bracelet's provenance — Arnelle only confirmed the gift to Paula existed.

strategic

Marcia Clark•Arnelle Simpson

Extended back-and-forth about Rockingham's rear entry doors, locks, and alarm system — establishing that the rear door had a 40-second delay before the alarm triggered and a keypad near the maid's room could disarm it. Relevant to theories about undetected entry or exit the night of the murders.

procedural

Marcia Clark•Arnelle Simpson

Clark pressed Arnelle on the June 13th phone call sequence — whether OJ called in before or after detectives placed a call to Chicago — and whether any detective-initiated call preceded OJ's. Arnelle maintained OJ called first but acknowledged she did not recall clearly.

strategic

Light Moments (2)

Marcia Clark

Clark described Howard Weitzman's appearance to help Arnelle identify him, prefacing it with 'I hope he's not watching this' before calling him about 5'8", ruddy complexioned, and balding. Cochran promptly objected to the description.

Marcia Clark

After gesturing to indicate Weitzman's height and catching herself, Clark said 'Oh, I'm sorry. I'm gesturing' and then clarified 'with heels on, I'm five eight.'

Credibility Attacks (2)

⚔ Arnelle Simpson

Gaps in knowledge / inability to account for movements

Clark established that Arnelle was not in the main house all of June 12th, did not know OJ's precise travel schedule, could not confirm whether Gigi was on premises, and did not know when OJ left — systematically showing she could not provide a reliable account of her father's whereabouts.

⚔ Arnelle Simpson

Contradiction by omission

Clark challenged Arnelle's claim that OJ and Nicole dated exclusively from May '93 to May '94 by raising OJ's Hawaii trip with Paula Barbieri during that window. Arnelle said she had no knowledge of the trip, leaving the inconsistency unresolved but planted for the jury.

Witness Demeanor

Offered to show the court on the diagram where the door was: 'Should I show you?' — cooperative and proactive

Carefully flagged compound questions: 'Umm, that's a two-part question. Can I answer it?'

Repeatedly qualified uncertainty: 'I don't recall exactly. So, you know--'

Answered 'No' when asked if she had heard Chachi barking or anything unusual — calm, unshaken on direct sensory recollection questions

Objections

18 objections (8 sustained, 7 overruled)

Proceeding 6693 • 465 utterances • Defense witness

Criminal Trial

Department 103