Officer Riske continues his direct examination, walking Marcia Clark and the jury through his initial observations at 875 South Bundy: the darkness of the scene, blood pooling under Nicole Brown Simpson, bloody shoeprints leading toward the condo, and the discovery of a glove, knit cap, and envelope near the bodies. He describes how he entered the condo without stepping in blood, and explains that he first connected the scene to OJ Simpson after spotting a lithograph on the wall and a letter with Simpson's return address — leading him to call his watch commander and report a double homicide.
# 1 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:) # 2 THE COURT: THANK YOU, COUNSEL. MISS CLARK, ARE YOU GOING TO MARK THAT NEXT BOARD?
# 3 MS. CLARK: I'M GOING TO. 43?
# 4 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING, MR. CRAWFORD, MR. CRAWFORD, NO VIDEO OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD DEPICTING THE VICTIM'S BODIES. STILL PHOTOGRAPHERS, NO PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DISPLAYS OF THE VICTIM'S BODIES. THANK YOU.
# 5 MS. CLARK: A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, YOUR HONOR.
# 6 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 7 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 8 THE COURT: MISS CLARK.
# 9 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 10 Q: WHEN YOU APPROACHED THIS AREA, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE LIGHTING FOR US, SIR?
# 11 A: THERE IS -- THERE IS REALLY NO STREET LIGHTING. THERE IS OVERHANGING TREES OVER THE WALKWAY. THERE WAS LIGHTS ON IN THE RESIDENCE, BUT THERE IS A FENCE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS, SO THE LIGHTING WAS POOR.
# 13 A: THE LIGHTING WAS VERY POOR.
# 14 Q: AND WAS THERE A LOT OF FOLIAGE, A LOT OF BUSHES AND TREES IN THAT AREA?
# 16 Q: SO WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED THE WALKWAY OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY, AS YOU APPROACHED IT, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY BLOOD ON THE WALKWAY BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GOT THERE AND ACTUALLY LOOKED UP THE WALKWAY?
# 17 A: IT ACTUALLY TOOK US A COUPLE SECONDS TO FIND THE BODY, IT WAS SO DARK.
KEY QUOTE # 18 MR. COCHRAN: NONRESPONSIVE, YOUR HONOR. THE QUESTION WAS DID HE SEE ANY BLOOD ON THE WALKWAY.
# 19 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. THE ANSWER IS STRICKEN.
# 21 Q: FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU APPROACHED THE LOCATION OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY BLOOD ON THE WALKWAY BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY STOPPED AND LOOKED UP THE WALKWAY ITSELF?
# 23 Q: WERE YOU -- HOW DIFFICULT WAS IT FOR YOU TO SEE THE BODY AS YOU APPROACHED THAT LOCATION?
# 24 A: WE -- ACTUALLY WHEN WE FIRST WENT, WE WENT TO THE -- WE WERE LOOKING ON THE GRASS AND THE WITNESSES DIRECTED US TO THE WALKWAY, SO WE DIDN'T SEE IT AT ALL UNTIL WE WERE DIRECTED BY THE WITNESSES.
# 25 Q: OKAY. SO UNTIL SOMEBODY ACTUALLY POINTED IT OUT TO YOU, YOU DIDN'T SEE A BODY?
# 27 Q: OR BLOOD ON THE WALKWAY?
# 29 Q: NOW, DID YOU HAVE A FLASHLIGHT WITH YOU?
# 31 Q: DID YOU TURN THAT FLASHLIGHT ON?
# 33 Q: AND WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU TURNED ON YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 34 A: STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK AT THE FOOT OF THE WALKWAY.
# 35 Q: SO BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY WENT UP THE WALKWAY OR WENT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SCENE, YOU TURNED ON THE FLASHLIGHT?
# 37 Q: AND CAN YOU SEE ON THE MONITOR, SIR? DO YOU SEE WHERE THAT ARROW IS?
# 39 Q: DO YOU SEE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS AS THE ARROW -- MOVE IT DOWN, JOHN. THANKS. IS THE ARROW NOW POINTING TO WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS BEFORE THE WALKWAY BEGINS?
# 41 Q: AND WHERE DID YOU STOP AND TURN ON YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 42 A: I WAS ACTUALLY TO THE LEFT OF THE ARROW.
# 44 A: RIGHT WHERE THE FOLIAGE IS BY THE SIDEWALK.
# 45 MS. CLARK: CAN WE MOVE THE ARROW OVER TO THE LEFT?
# 46 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: RIGHT ABOUT THERE.
# 47 MS. CLARK: RIGHT THERE? THANK YOU.
# 48 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU STOOD THERE WITH YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 49 A: JUST TURNED THE FLASHLIGHT ON AND SAW THE BODY AND WENT BACK AND WALKED TO THE -- REQUESTED A SUPERVISOR, ADDITIONAL UNITS AND AN AMBULANCE AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THE WITNESSES.
# 50 Q: OKAY. SO AFTER YOU SAW THE BODY, YOU LEFT THE SCENE FOR A MOMENT?
# 53 A: WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THE WITNESSES TO FIND OUT HOW THEY FOUND THE BODY AND BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED.
# 54 Q: AND BY "THE WITNESSES" YOU MEAN THOSE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE DOG?
# 56 Q: AND DID THEY TELL YOU HOW THEY FOUND THE DOG?
# 57 A: THEY TOLD ME THAT --
# 58 MR. COCHRAN: ANSWER THAT YES OR NO.
# 59 THE COURT: CORRECT. DID THEY TELL YOU? YES OR NO?
# 60 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: YES.
# 61 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. NEXT QUESTION.
# 62 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND DID THEY TELL YOU HOW THEY HAPPENED TO GET TO 875 SOUTH BUNDY?
# 64 Q: DID YOU LOOK AT THE DOG?
# 66 Q: DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT IT?
# 67 A: THERE WAS BLOOD ON HIS LEGS AND ON HIS PAWS.
# 68 Q: DID YOU NOTICE HOW FAR UP THE LEGS THE BLOOD WENT ON THE DOG?
# 69 A: I BELIEVE ON THE REAR LEG IT WENT UP APPROXIMATELY TO HIS KNEES, JUST STREAKS.
# 72 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 73 A: WE WENT BACK TO THE SCENE, WE APPROACHED THE BODY OF THE FEMALE, AND AS WE GOT PROBABLY TWO FEET FROM HER BODY, WE DISCOVERED THE BODY OF A MALE WHITE LAYING AGAINST THE NORTH FENCE.
# 74 Q: OKAY. HOW DID YOU -- HOW DID YOU GET UP TO THE WOMAN'S BODY? WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 75 A: MY PARTNER APPROACHED ON THE GRASS AND I APPROACHED WALKING THROUGH THE PLANTS RIGHT THERE, STAYING TO --
# 76 Q: THESE BUSHES HERE ON THE LEFT, (INDICATING)?
# 77 A: RIGHT. STAYING TO THE LEFT OF THE WALKWAY.
# 78 Q: AND YOUR PARTNER, WHERE WAS HE?
# 79 A: HE WAS ON THE GRASS TO THE LEFT OF THE FOLIAGE. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IN THIS PICTURE.
# 80 Q: SO YOU WERE IN THE BUSHES AND HE WAS TO THE LEFT OF YOU AS WE FACE THE PHOTOGRAPH?
# 82 Q: DID YOU STEPPED ON THE WALKWAY?
# 84 Q: OFFICER, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE MONITOR NOW. IS THIS APPROXIMATELY WHERE YOU STARTED WALKING?
# 85 A: A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT. RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE WALKWAY.
# 86 Q: OVER THERE, (INDICATING)?
# 87 A: RIGHT ABOUT THERE, (INDICATING). RIGHT ABOUT THERE.
# 88 Q: OKAY. DID YOU WALK THROUGH THE BUSHES LIKE THIS, (INDICATING)?
# 90 Q: TELL ME WHEN TO STOP.
# 91 A: IT IS REALLY A POOR ANGLE. I CAN'T SEE WHERE I STOPPED. IT WAS BEFORE THE BODY, BEFORE THE FENCE.
# 92 Q: OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO SAY APPROXIMATELY HERE, (INDICATING)?
# 94 MS. CLARK: FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE DRAWN A HORIZONTAL LINE PERPENDICULAR TO THE VERTICAL LINE DEPICTING HIS PATH THROUGH THE BUSHES, YOUR HONOR.
# 95 THE COURT: YES. AND YOU ARE DRAWING ON PEOPLE'S 42.
# 96 MS. CLARK: YES. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 97 MR. COCHRAN: IS THIS 43, YOUR HONOR?
# 98 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 99 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. NOW, WHEN YOU STOOD ON THAT LOCATION, YOU HAD YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 101 Q: WHAT KIND OF FLASHLIGHT DO YOU HAVE?
# 102 A: I HAVE A STREAMLINE, LONG BLACK METAL.
# 103 Q: LONG BLACK METAL LIGHT?
# 105 Q: IT IS VERY POWERFUL?
# 106 A: I THINK IT IS RATED AT 30,000 CANDLE POWER. IT IS POWERFUL.
# 107 Q: AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU STOOPED UP AT THE CLOSER LOCATION, YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER VICTIM?
# 109 MS. CLARK: I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS, SIR. THIS WILL BE PEOPLE'S 43, YOUR HONOR?
# 110 THE COURT: YES, PEOPLE'S 43.
# 111 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 112 (PEO'S 43 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPHS) # 113 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD, CAN YOU SEE FROM WHERE YOU ARE?
# 115 Q: IF YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN, FIRST OF ALL, IN THE FIRST PHOTOGRAPH TO MY LEFT AS I FACE IT, UPPER LEFT-HAND PHOTOGRAPH, WHAT DOES THAT DEPICT?
# 116 A: THAT IS A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF BUNDY AND THE FOOT OF THE WALKWAY LEADING UP TO 875.
# 117 Q: AND DOES THAT DEPICT THE SCENE AS YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED?
# 119 Q: AND THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH TO THE RIGHT OF THAT?
# 120 A: THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH WOULD BE THE VICTIM, THE FEMALE WHITE IN THE BLACK DRESS, LAYING ON THE WALKWAY.
# 121 Q: AND YOU COULD SEE THAT -- AT THE FAR -- AT THE VERY REAR OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, UPPER PART OF THE PHOTOGRAPH?
# 123 Q: AND THE THIRD ONE?
# 124 A: THE THIRD ONE IS THE SAME PICTURE, THE FEMALE WHITE IN THE BLACK DRESS, BUT IT IS JUST CLOSER.
# 125 Q: AND NOW THE LOWER LEFT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 126 A: THE LOWER LEFT IS A PICTURE OF THE FEMALE WHITE IN THE DRESS AND THERE IS AN ENVELOPE ON THE DIRT RIGHT ON THE RIGHT OF THE WALKWAY.
# 127 Q: AND THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 128 A: THE NEXT PHOTOGRAPH IS A -- THE MALE WHITE THAT WE FOUND, ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE ENVELOPE LAYING IN THE DIRT.
# 129 Q: THAT ENVELOPE, WAS THAT BETWEEN THE TWO VICTIMS?
# 131 Q: AND THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH?
# 132 A: THE LAST PHOTOGRAPH IS A CLOSER UP PICTURE OF THE MALE WHITE.
# 133 Q: NOW, DO THESE ALL DEPICT THE SCENE AS YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED AT 12:13 A.M.
# 136 Q: BY MS. CLARK: NOW, THAT WALKWAY THAT YOU SEE IN BOTH 42 ON THE SCREEN -- OR IS THAT 38? EXCUSE ME. 38 ON THE SCREEN AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS IN PEOPLE'S 43, DID YOU ILLUMINATE THAT WITH YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 138 Q: WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THAT WALKWAY?
# 139 A: THERE IS A POOL OF BLOOD UNDER THE VICTIM, THE FEMALE WHITE, AND IT FLOWS DOWN TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK.
# 140 Q: AND IN THE BLOOD DID YOU SEE ANY KIND OF PATTERNS?
# 141 A: UMM, THERE WAS PAW PRINTS TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK AND THERE WAS A HEEL MARK BY THE FENCE CLOSE TO WHERE THE ENVELOPE IS.
# 142 Q: OKAY. IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE MONITOR, SIR, IT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR YOU ON YOUR MONITOR.
# 144 Q: DO YOU SEE -- CAN YOU TELL US -- DO YOU SEE THE PAW PRINTS YOU JUST DESCRIBED?
# 146 Q: AND AS YOU LOOKED UP THE WALKWAY WALKING THROUGH THE BUSHES, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY BLOODY SHOEPRINTS ON THAT WALKWAY?
# 147 A: NOT UNTIL WE GOT RIGHT BY THE BODY. THERE WAS A HEEL PRINT.
# 148 Q: BUT DOWN HERE ON THE WALKWAY THAT IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE THE GATE, DID YOU SEE ANY SHOEPRINTS?
# 150 MS. CLARK: NEXT. NEXT.
# 151 THE COURT: MISS CLARK, IF I CAN CORRECT YOU, WHICH PHOTOGRAPH WERE YOU REFERRING TO PREVIOUSLY?
# 152 MS. CLARK: DID WE MARK THAT?
# 153 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THIS PHOTOGRAPH WHICH IS OF THE -- APPEARS TO BE OF THE WALKWAY AND THE SIDEWALK, HAS A WESTEC SIGN IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THIS IS ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT IS HERE ON THE CHART.
# 154 MS. CLARK: YOU KNOW, YOUR HONOR, WHY DON'T WE MARK IT -- IS THAT 43 OR 42?
# 155 THE COURT: THIS IS 43. I WOULD SUGGEST WE -- IS THIS THE UPPER TOP LEFT?
# 156 (NODS HEAD UP AND DOWN.) # 157 THE COURT: HOW ABOUT 43-A THROUGH E.
# 158 (PEO'S 43-A THRU 43-E FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPHS) # 159 MS. CLARK: E, THANK YOU. SO THIS IS 43-A. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH. NO, BACK UP. 43-B. AND THE NEXT 43-C.
# 160 Q: DOES THIS DEPICT -- DOES THIS DEPICT THE WOMAN AS YOU FOUND HER AND THE SCENE AS YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED?
# 162 Q: CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, CAN YOU SEE AN AREA IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH WHERE YOU WERE STANDING IN ORDER TO SEE THAT?
# 163 A: THE -- TO THE LEFT OF THE BODY YOU SEE A CALL BOX ON THE WALL RIGHT THERE.
# 165 A: THERE WAS A GATE THAT WAS OPENED, AND ON THE LEFT BY THE CALL BOX IS ABOUT A ONE-FOOT LONG FENCE. I WAS STANDING RIGHT BY THE FENCE.
# 166 Q: ALL RIGHT. THE CALL BOX YOU ARE REFERRING TO, IS THAT RIGHT HERE, (INDICATING)?
# 168 THE COURT: CAN YOU JUST PUT AN ARROW ON IT.
# 170 Q: YOU WERE STANDING BY THAT CALL BOX?
# 171 A: RIGHT, AT THE BASE OF THE FENCE.
# 172 Q: AND IT IS HARD TO TELL FROM THIS PHOTOGRAPH, BUT FROM THAT LOCATION YOU WERE THEN ALSO ABLE TO SEE A MALE VICTIM?
# 174 MS. CLARK: OKAY. NEXT.
# 175 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 176 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. THIS IS 43-D, YOUR HONOR.
# 177 Q: NOW, IN THIS -- IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH YOU CAN SEE AN ENVELOPE?
# 179 Q: AND THAT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN?
# 181 Q: UH-HUH. AND THAT WAS LYING BETWEEN THEM?
# 183 Q: OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, DO YOU SEE THE PAW PRINTS AS YOU SAW THEM THAT NIGHT WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED THE SCENE IN THE BLOOD?
# 185 MS. CLARK: OKAY. NEXT.
# 187 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 188 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. IS THAT THE ENVELOPE YOU HAVE DESCRIBED?
# 190 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 191 MS. CLARK: THAT WILL BE 43-E. NO, D.
# 194 Q: AND THIS IS THE CONDITION IN WHICH YOU FOUND THE PLACEMENT OF EVERYTHING WHEN YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU FIRST APPROACHED?
# 196 Q: ALL RIGHT, SIR. NOW, AS YOU MADE THAT APPROACH YOU WERE MAKING THESE OBSERVATIONS, YOU WERE STANDING IN THE BUSHES THAT WAS NEAR THE CALL BOX YOU SHOWED US?
# 198 Q: NOW, YOU SAID THAT YOU SAW A BLOODY SHOEPRINT UP NEAR THE BODY OF THE VICTIMS. CAN YOU SEE THAT IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
# 199 A: NOT REALLY. IT IS KIND OF A BAD PICTURE.
# 200 Q: UH-HUH. I THINK WE DO HAVE A BETTER ONE. THE SHOEPRINT THAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING, WAS IT NEAR THE ENVELOPE?
# 201 A: RIGHT, JUST -- JUST -- IT WOULD BE WEST OF THE ENVELOPE.
# 202 MS. CLARK: OKAY. LET'S GET THE OTHER ONE.
# 203 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I CAN SEE IT IN AN ENLARGEMENT.
# 204 MS. CLARK: THERE WE GO.
# 205 Q: CAN YOU LOOK AT MONITOR? CAN YOU SEE IT NOW?
# 207 Q: CAN YOU TELL US, AS YOU FACE THE SCREEN, IS IT NEAR THE LEFT CORNER OF THE ENVELOPE?
# 209 THE COURT: WHICH PHOTOGRAPH IS THIS?
# 210 MS. CLARK: AND THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS STILL THE SAME ONE, YOUR HONOR. WE ARE JUST FOCUSING ON IT. IT IS A CLOSE-UP.
# 211 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. 43-E.
# 212 Q: BY MS. CLARK: TELL ME IF I AM POINTING TO THE RIGHT LOCATION, SIR.
# 213 A: YOU ARE TOO HIGH. RIGHT THERE (INDICATING).
# 214 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, AFTER YOU MADE THESE OBSERVATIONS, SIR, AND YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE -- AT THAT TIME TELL US WHAT YOU SAW.
# 215 A: I SAW THE ENVELOPE THERE, THE HEEL PRINT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE CLOSELY, THERE IS A GLOVE AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE A KNIT CAP UNDER THE PLANT ON THE RIGHT.
# 216 MS. CLARK: OKAY. LET ME GET YOU A BETTER PICTURE OF THAT.
# 217 THE COURT: MISS CLARK, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD HAVE HIM PUT AN ARROW WHERE HE SAYS THERE IS A CAP.
# 218 MS. CLARK: WE ARE I THINK GOING TO USE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT SHOWS THAT AREA A LITTLE BETTER, YOUR HONOR, OR IF YOU THINK WE SHOULD, WE WILL DO IT ON THIS ONE.
# 219 THE COURT: WELL, IT IS NOT APPARENT TO ME.
# 220 Q: BY MS. CLARK: UNDER THIS PLANT, SIR?
# 221 A: RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE THE GLOVE RIGHT THERE, (INDICATING).
# 222 Q: THAT WE ARE POINTING TO RIGHT NOW?
# 224 Q: YOU SAID THERE WAS A HAT SOMEWHERE?
# 225 A: THE VERY LOWER RIGHT CORNER YOU SEE PART OF THE HAT, WHAT APPEARS TO BE A KNIT CAP.
# 226 Q: DOWN HERE, (INDICATING)?
# 228 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO GET A CLOSER PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT LOCATION.
# 230 Q: BY MS. CLARK: IS THAT THE HAT YOU TOLD US ABOUT, SIR?
# 232 Q: DO YOU SEE ANOTHER BLOODY SHOEPRINT THERE?
# 233 A: WHAT APPEARS TO BE A HEEL MARK, YES.
# 234 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, WHAT PHOTOGRAPH IS THIS?
# 235 MS. CLARK: WE SHOULD MARK THIS, YOUR HONOR, AS PHOTOGRAPH 44.
# 236 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PEOPLE'S 44.
# 237 (PEO'S 44 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 238 MS. CLARK: CAN WE CIRCLE THAT HEEL PRINT.
# 239 Q: A THAT IS THE KNIT CAP?
# 241 Q: AND THAT IS THE GLOVE?
# 243 Q: AND YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THESE THINGS FROM YOUR POSITION IN THE -- STANDING ON THE BUSHES NEAR THE CALL BOX WHEN YOU USED YOUR FLASHLIGHT TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION?
# 244 A: I WAS ACTUALLY KNEELING WHEN I SAW ALL THIS.
# 247 Q: THAT PLANT THAT SEEMS TO BE HANGING OVER THE GLOVE AND THE HAT, DID THAT KIND OF BLOCK THEM FROM VIEW, UNLESS YOU USED YOUR FLASHLIGHT?
# 249 Q: WHAT ELSE DID YOU SEE AT THAT TIME, SIR?
# 250 A: UMM, THERE WAS SOMEWHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOODY FOOTPRINTS GOING UP THE STEPS TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
# 251 Q: OKAY. YOU SAW THOSE AND WAS THAT FROM YOUR POSITION STILL IN THE BUSHES AT THE CALL BOX AREA?
# 252 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
# 253 Q: AND YOU SAW BLOODY SHOEPRINTS?
# 255 Q: HOW MANY SETS OF BLOODY SHOEPRINTS DID YOU SEE?
# 257 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 258 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A BOARD, YOUR HONOR, OF -- CONSISTING OF 15 PHOTOGRAPHS. ASK THAT IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S 45.
# 259 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PEOPLE'S 45, DISPLAY WITH FIFTEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALLEGED SHOEPRINTS.
# 260 (PEO'S 45 FOR ID = BOARD W/15 PHOTOGRAPHS) # 261 Q: BY MS. CLARK: IF YOU COULD STEP DOWN, SIR, IF YOU WOULD.
# 262 (WITNESS COMPLIES.) # 263 Q: GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THAT. ALL RIGHT. TELL US WHAT YOU SEE THERE.
# 264 A: THE FIRST PICTURE IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OR THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER WOULD BE THE AREA WHERE THE MALE VICTIM WAS LAYING.
# 265 Q: AND THAT -- THAT WOULD BE --
# 266 MS. CLARK: THAT WOULD BE, FOR THE RECORD, LET'S MAKE THAT 44-A.
# 269 (PEO'S 45-A FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 270 THE COURT: I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, MISS CLARK, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE COURT TODAY IF YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY -- ONE OF YOUR CLERKS LABEL EACH ONE OF THESE UNDERNEATH, A THROUGH WHATEVER.
# 271 MS. CLARK: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 272 THE COURT: AS TO BOTH 43 AND 45.
# 273 MS. CLARK: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 274 THE COURT: THANK YOU.
# 275 MS. CLARK: MAYBE YOU ALSO WANT 40 AS WELL.
# 276 THE COURT: THAT WOULD HELP FOR REFERENCE, YES. THANK YOU.
# 277 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: CONTINUE?
# 278 Q: BY MS. CLARK: YES, PLEASE CONTINUE.
# 279 A: THE SECOND PICTURE --
# 281 (PEO'S 45-B FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 282 A: -- WOULD BE OF THE FEMALE VICTIM AND THE STAIRS LEADING TO THE WEST.
# 283 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, THAT IS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE STANDING AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS LOOKING DOWN?
# 285 Q: OKAY. DO YOU SEE A SHOEPRINT IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 287 Q: CAN YOU POINT IT?
# 288 A: RIGHT HERE, (INDICATING).
# 289 Q: AND FOR -- AND 45-C.
# 290 (PEO'S 45-C FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 291 A: IT IS A PICTURE OF THE STAIRS AND THERE APPEARS TO BE TWO SHOEPRINTS.
# 292 Q: THOSE ARE THE SAME STAIRS SHOWN IN 45-B?
# 294 Q: YOU POINT OUT THE OTHER SHOEPRINTS, SIR.
# 295 A: THERE IS ONE HERE AND ONE HERE, (INDICATING).
# 296 Q: NOW, 45-C IT IS ON ITS SIDE, BUT CAN YOU TELL US, IS THAT THE LANDING AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS?
# 297 A: THAT IS THE LANDING GOING TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR HEADING WEST.
# 298 Q: SO THAT IS THE LANDING AT THE TOP OF THOSE STEPS SHOWN IN B AND C?
# 300 Q: CAN YOU POINT TO ANY SHOEPRINTS THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS?
# 301 A: HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, (INDICATING).
# 302 MS. CLARK: AND THAT WOULD BE D.
# 303 (PEO'S 45-D FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 304 Q: BY MS. CLARK: NOW, E CAN YOU TELL US WHAT LOCATION THAT IS?
# 305 (PEO'S 45-E FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 306 A: THAT IS THE LANDING. YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT DOOR IS RIGHT HERE, (INDICATING), AND THIS CONTINUES.
# 307 Q: DO YOU SEE ANY SHOEPRINTS IN THAT LOCATION?
# 309 Q: CAN YOU POINT TO THEM, PLEASE. DO YOU WANT TO USE THE POINTER.
# 310 A: THERE IS ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE AND ONE HERE, (INDICATING).
# 311 Q: AND STEPPING BACK TO F.
# 312 (PEO'S 45-F FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 313 A: THIS IS PAST THE LANDING AND IT IS GOING TOWARDS THE WEST AND THIS IS THE REAR GATE, (INDICATING).
# 314 Q: AND IS THAT ANOTHER KIND OF PERSPECTIVE SHOT OF THE -- A LONGER SHOT OF THE WALKWAY AREA THAT IS SHOWN IN E?
# 316 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU SEE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS THERE?
# 318 Q: CAN YOU POINT TO THEM, PLEASE.
# 319 A: HERE, HERE, HERE. THERE IS A FAINT ONE HERE, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE RIGHT THERE, (INDICATING).
# 320 THE COURT: OFFICER RISKE, CAN YOU KEEP YOUR VOICE UP BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE JURY BOX NEEDS TO HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
# 321 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I'M SORRY.
# 322 Q: BY MS. CLARK: PHOTOGRAPH G, H, I AND J IN THAT ROW, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS SHOWN THERE?
# 323 (PEO'S 45-G THRU 45-J FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 326 A: IT IS A PICTURES OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE A BLOODY FOOTPRINT.
# 327 Q: AND DO THOSE LOOK LIKE THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS YOU SAW THAT NIGHT?
# 329 Q: AND THAT -- THOSE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS WERE GOING IN WHAT DIRECTION?
# 330 A: TOWARD THE WEST.
# 331 Q: WOULD THAT BE TOWARD THE REAR ALLEY BEHIND THE CONDOMINIUM?
# 333 Q: AND ON THE BOTTOM ROW AS WELL, SIR, K AND L?
# 334 (PEO'S 45-K & 45-L FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 335 A: TWO MORE WHAT APPEAR TO BE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS.
# 336 Q: AND DO THEY APPEAR THE WAY YOU FOUND THEM WHEN YOU FIRST CAME TO THE SCENE?
# 338 Q: THE M, N AND O ON THIS CHART, WHAT LOCATION IS SHOWN THERE?
# 339 (PEO'S 45-M THRU 45-O FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 340 A: THAT IS APPROXIMATELY THE MIDDLE OF THE WALKWAY NORTH OF THE HOUSE. THERE IS SOME STEPS.
# 341 Q: DOES THAT WALKWAY AREA HAVE STEPS GOING DOWN AND UP AND DOWN?
# 343 Q: AND DO THESE APPEAR TO BE THE STEPS -- ONE OF THE SET OF STEPS GOING DOWN?
# 345 Q: DID YOU OBSERVE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS ON THOSE STEPS AS WELL?
# 347 Q: AND CAN YOU SEE THEM IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE?
# 349 Q: CAN YOU SHOW US?
# 350 A: THERE IS ONE HERE, LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE BIT HERE, THERE IS ONE HERE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE AND THERE IS ONE HERE AND THERE IS ONE HERE AND THIS APPEARS TO BE A SHOEPRINT, (INDICATING).
# 351 Q: AS WELL? GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE WITNESS STAND.
# 352 (WITNESS COMPLIES.) # 353 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, AT THIS POINT WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE TWO OF YOUR ASSISTANTS MOVE THIS EXHIBIT, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS THE SHOEPRINTS ARE NOT VISIBLE. PERHAPS IF YOU COULD HAVE THAT EXHIBIT -- MOMENTARILY HAVE TWO OF YOUR ASSISTANTS TAKE IT DOWN TO THE END OF OUR JURY BOX. THEY ARE NODDING BACK THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
# 354 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR.
# 355 THE COURT: JUST TAKE A FEW -- JUST TAKE A PAUSE FOR A MINUTE OR TWO AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT, INCLUDING OUR ALTERNATE.
# 357 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
# 358 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 359 THE COURT: IT OCCURS TO ME THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT WITH THE OTHER SET AS WELL.
# 360 MS. CLARK: WHY DON'T WE --
# 361 THE COURT: 1492, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE OTHER --
JUROR 1492: MOST OF IT.
# 362 MS. CLARK: LET ME BRING IT DOWN.
# 364 Q: BY MS. CLARK: NOW, OFFICER THESE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE BEING --
# 365 THE COURT: COUNSEL, WHY DON'T YOU LET THEM -- BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THEIR DIVIDED ATTENTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL.
# 367 THE COURT: MISS CLARK.
# 368 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 369 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO YOU STOOD AT THE -- YOU STOOD AT THE CALL BOX AREA UP ON THE PLANTS AND YOU MADE THESE OBSERVATIONS, SIR? YOU SAW THE HAT, THE GLOVE, THE ENVELOPE, THE SHOEPRINTS.
DID YOU SEE ALL OF THE SHOEPRINTS THAT WE HAVE JUST DESCRIBED GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WALKWAY AT THAT POINT?
# 371 Q: WHICH ONES WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE AT THAT POINT?
# 372 A: I COULD SEE THE ONES ON THE STEPS AND THE ONES ON THE LANDING LEADING TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH WAS OPENED.
# 373 Q: THE FRONT DOOR WAS OPENED?
# 375 Q: HOW FAR OPENED WAS IT?
# 376 A: A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF, I BELIEVE.
# 377 Q: NOW, YOU SAW THE WOMAN YOU DESCRIBED IN THE BLACK DRESS LYING AT THE FOOT OF THE STAIRS?
# 379 Q: CAN YOU DESCRIBE HER POSITION FOR US?
# 380 A: SHE WAS LAYING ON HER LEFT SIDE, HER HANDS TO HER CHEST, HER FEET WERE TOGETHER AND UNDERNEATH THE FENCE.
# 381 Q: UNDERNEATH THE GATE?
# 383 Q: THE FENCE I MEAN, I'M SORRY?
# 385 Q: DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION, SIR, TO PHOTOGRAPH -- I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO POINT IT OUT TO THE JURY SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IT HERE. 44-C.
# 386 THE COURT: I THINK THIS IS 43.
# 388 Q: IN THE PHOTOGRAPH COULD YOU SHOW US WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? HER LEGS WERE UNDER THE FENCE?
# 389 A: UNDER THE FENCE RIGHT HERE, (INDICATING).
# 390 MS. CLARK: WAS EVERYBODY ABLE TO SEE IT?
# 391 Q: AFTER YOU MADE THESE OBSERVATIONS, SIR, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 392 A: MY PARTNER AND I, SEEING THAT THE FRONT DOOR WAS OPENED AND THERE WAS A FOOTPRINT -- WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOODY FOOTPRINTS GOING TOWARD THE FRONT DOOR, WE STEPPED OVER THE FEMALE VICTIM AND WENT TO THE FOOT DOOR AND SAW THE SHOEPRINTS CONTINUE ON DOWN THE WALKWAY. WE LOOKED IN THE HOUSE AND THERE WAS -- APPEARED TO BE NO EVIDENCE OF RANSACKING OR FORCED ENTRY AND I SAW A PHONE PROBABLY FIFTEEN FEET, TWENTY FEET FROM THE FRONT DOOR, AND I ENTERED AND I CALLED THE STATION AND TOLD MY WATCH COMMANDER WHAT WE HAD.
# 393 Q: SO WHEN YOU WERE STANDING AT THE -- AT THE CALL BOX IN THE BUSHES, YOU SAW THE SHOEPRINTS LEADING UP TO THE FRONT DOOR. COULD YOU SEE WHETHER THOSE SHOEPRINTS FROM THAT POSITION CONTINUED ON PAST THE FRONT DOOR OR NOT?
# 395 Q: AND WHY WAS IT THAT YOU DECIDED TO STEP OVER THE BODY OF THE WOMAN AND GO INSIDE THE CONDO?
# 396 A: TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER VICTIMS IN THE HOUSE OR ANY EVIDENCE IN THE HOUSE.
# 397 Q: WHAT ABOUT A POSSIBLE SUSPECT?
# 398 A: POSSIBLE SUSPECT.
# 399 Q: AT THAT POINT YOU DIDN'T KNOW?
# 401 Q: NOW, HOW WAS IT THAT -- WHEN YOU STIPULATED OVER THE BODY OF THE WOMAN, DID YOU STEP IN BLOOD?
# 403 Q: HOW DID YOU MANAGE NOT TO DO THAT?
# 404 A: BY STAYING TO THE FAR LEFT AGAINST THE FENCE AND UP THE STEPS.
# 405 Q: YEAH. IT IS HARD TO SHOW IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT YOU --
# 406 A: IT SHOWS ON THIS ONE, (INDICATING).
# 407 Q: ON THIS ONE? IF YOU WOULD, SIR, PLEASE SHOW US WHERE THERE IS A CLEAR AREA THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO STEP OVER SO THAT YOU AVOIDED STEPPING IN THE BLOOD. THANK YOU. THAT IS PEOPLE'S 43.
# 409 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: I STAYED IN THE PLANT RIGHT HERE, GOT NEXT TO THE FENCE, STEPPED OVER HER BODY, STAYED AGAINST THE WALL, UP TO THE STEPS TO THE FRONT DOOR.
# 410 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WAS THERE ANY BLOOD IN THAT LOCATION AS WE FACE THE PHOTOGRAPH OF 43-C ON THAT LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE STAIRS?
# 412 Q: AND SO WHEN YOU STEPPED OVER HERE ALSO IN 45-B, DOES THAT SHOW PART OF THE CLEAR AREA?
# 414 Q: AND WHEN YOU -- AND WHEN YOU -- BEFORE YOU STEPPED UP THERE, YOU WERE ALREADY ABLE TO SEE THIS BLOODY SHOEPRINT SHOWN IN 45-B WAS THERE?
# 416 Q: NOW, AFTER YOU WENT INTO THE LOCATION -- FIRST OF ALL, DID YOU LOOK AT THE DOOR?
# 418 Q: DID YOU NOTICE WHETHER THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE OF FORCED ENTRY?
# 419 A: I DID NOTICE AND THERE WASN'T.
# 420 Q: THERE APPEARED TO BE NO EVIDENCE OF FORCED ENTRY?
# 422 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOODY SHOEPRINTS ON THE CARPETING?
# 424 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE HAD BEEN PROPERTY STREWN AROUND OR ANY EVIDENCE OF A STRUGGLE?
# 426 Q: DID ANYTHING APPEAR TO BE OUT OF PLACE?
# 428 Q: DID DRAWERS APPEAR TO BE OPENED?
# 430 Q: DID CUPBOARDS APPEAR TO BE OPENED?
# 432 Q: DID CLOTHES APPEAR TO BE STREWN ABOUT?
# 434 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOOD DROPS INSIDE THE HOUSE ON THE FLOOR ANYWHERE?
# 436 Q: AND YOU SAW A TELEPHONE THERE?
# 438 Q: AND WHAT DID DO YOU WITH THAT PHONE?
# 439 A: I CALLED MY WATCH COMMANDER AT THE STATION AND TOLD HIM WE HAD A DOUBLE HOMICIDE ON BUNDY AND I TOLD HIM THAT O.J. SIMPSON WAS SOMEHOW INVOLVED.
KEY QUOTE # 440 Q: AND WHY DID YOU THINK THAT?
# 441 A: BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROACHED RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR YOU COULD SEE A LITHOGRAPH ON THE NORTH WALL OF THE APARTMENT OR THE CONDOMINIUM, AND AS I GOT TO THE PHONE THERE WAS A LETTER, HAD O.J. SIMPSON AS A RETURN ADDRESS, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS HIS WIFE OR HIS GIRLFRIEND.
# 442 Q: OKAY. NOW, BY "INVOLVED" DID YOU MEAN AS A SUSPECT?
# 443 A: NO, JUST POTENTIAL VICTIM, MAYBE IT IS HIS WIFE, I DIDN'T KNOW.
# 444 Q: SO INVOLVED IN THE SENSE THAT ONE OF THE VICTIMS MAY BE RELATED TO HIM?
# 446 Q: WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 447 A: WELL, MY PARTNER AND I EXITED THE APARTMENT, TOOK THE SAME PATH DOWN THROUGH THE PLANTS. I WENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NORTH FENCE BY MR. GOLDMAN.
# 448 Q: HOW DID YOU DO THAT? DID YOU STEP THROUGH THE BLOOD SOMEHOW WHEN YOU DID THAT?
# 449 A: NO, I WENT AROUND TO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
# 450 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 451 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT, SIR. DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE MONITOR, YOUR HONOR, I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 46.
# 452 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PEOPLE'S 46.
# 453 (PEO'S 46 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 454 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU -- CAN YOU SHOW US, SIR, THE AREA YOU ARE SPEAKING OF THAT YOU WENT TO IN ORDER TO SEE RON GOLDMAN, THAT IS THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE OF THE FENCE?
# 455 A: THERE IS A BIG TREE WHERE THE ARROW IS AND THERE IS A PATH THAT LEADS BACK TO THE FENCE WHERE RON GOLDMAN WAS LAYING.
# 456 Q: IS THAT ARROW SHOWN IN THAT LOCATION?
# 458 Q: WAS IT DARK IN THAT LOCATION AS WELL?
# 460 Q: DID YOU USE YOUR FLASHLIGHT, SIR?
# 462 Q: NOW, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN DAYLIGHT?
# 464 Q: YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH LIGHT?
# 466 Q: WHEN YOU WENT AROUND BEHIND RON GOLDMAN'S BODY, WHAT DID YOU SEE?
# 467 A: THE FIRST THING I SAW WAS A PAGER LAYING TO THE NORTH OF THE FENCE IN THE DIRT.
# 468 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 469 MS. CLARK: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE HERE ANOTHER SET OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
# 470 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 471 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 472 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 473 MS. CLARK: ASK THAT THIS SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS, YOUR HONOR, BE MARKED AS PEOPLE'S 47. IT IS A SERIES OF NINE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND I WILL HAVE THEM LABELED A THROUGH --
# 475 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 476 THE COURT: THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS.
# 477 (PEO'S 47-A THRU 47-I FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPHS) # 478 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THESE, SIR? AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP DOWN AND LOOK AT THEM MORE CLOSELY.
# 479 A: I WILL STEP DOWN.
# 480 MS. CLARK: GO AHEAD AND ORIENT YOURSELF FOR A MINUTE. YOUR HONOR, IF IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH THE COURT, WOULD YOU MIND IF WE HAD ONE OF THE LAWYERS HOLD THE BOARD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE JURY SO THEY COULD ALL SEE IT WHILE HE IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE FOUND?
# 481 THE COURT: SO LONG AS THE DEFENSE COUNSEL CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.
# 482 MS. CLARK: MR. COCHRAN WILL BE AT MY SIDE, I'M SURE.
# 483 MR. COCHRAN: I WILL GO OVER THERE.
# 484 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 485 MS. CLARK: NEVER MIND, YOUR HONOR. WE HAVE THESE ON LASER. I WILL LET THE OFFICER LOOK AT THESE.
# 486 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. HAVE A SEAT.
# 487 (WITNESS COMPLIES.) # 488 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 489 MS. CLARK: THE FEED IS CUT, ISN'T IT, YOUR HONOR? ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL BE 47-A.
# 491 MS. CLARK: NEXT. ALL RIGHT. 47-B -- CAN WE MOVE -- 47-C, 47-D, 47-E, F, G, H, I. THESE ARE PRETTY DARK. YOUR HONOR, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE PHOTOGRAPHS, I THINK.
# 492 Q: CAN YOU SEE WHERE THE PAGER IS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 494 Q: ALL RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU COULD STEP DOWN WITH THE POINTER AND SHOW THE JURY, BECAUSE IT IS AWFULLY DARK.
# 495 THE COURT: MR. COCHRAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS? ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL, WHY DON'T YOU WAIT FOR MR. COCHRAN.
# 497 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 498 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT, SIR, IF YOU WOULD --
# 499 THE COURT: MISS CLARK.
# 500 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 501 Q: IF YOU WOULD, SIR, CAN YOU POINT WITH THE POINTER TO THE JURY -- I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET YOU TO STAND BACK BY MR. COCHRAN SO THE REST OF THE JURORS CAN SEE. ALL RIGHT. POINT OUT WHERE THE PAGER WAS FOUND?
# 502 A: THIS WOULD BE THE PAGER RIGHT HERE.
# 503 MS. CLARK: HE IS POINTING TO 47-A.
# 504 THE COURT: THE COURT REPORTER CANNOT HEAR THE WITNESS TESTIFYING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE HE IS TURNED AWAY.
# 505 MS. CLARK: KEEP YOUR VOICE UP, SIR.
# 506 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: PARDON ME.
# 507 MS. CLARK: KEEP YOUR VOICE UP. ALL RIGHT. THE WITNESS HAS POINTED TO PHOTOGRAPH 47-A. CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT ONE MORE TIME, SIR?
# 508 A: THIS WOULD BE THE PAGER, (INDICATING).
# 509 Q: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU RECALL SEEING KEYS IN THAT AREA --
# 511 Q: -- AT THAT TIME? DID YOU APPROACH FROM BEHIND THIS GATE HERE?
# 513 Q: WAS THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE? I'M SHOWING 47-A.
# 514 A: THAT WOULD BE IN THE HERE, (INDICATING).
# 515 Q: SO YOU WERE NOT INSIDE THE GATE NEAR MR. GOLDMAN?
# 517 Q: GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOUR SEAT, SIR.
# 518 (WITNESS COMPLIES.) # 519 Q: WHAT DID YOU DO IN THAT LOCATION WHILE YOU WERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT GATE?
# 520 A: I APPROACHED MR. GOLDMAN. WHEN I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE, I NOTICED THAT ONE OF HIS EYES WAS OPENED, SO I APPROACHED HIM, I SHINED MY LIGHT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY MOVEMENT IN HIS PUPIL, AND THERE WAS NONE AND IT REMAINED FIXED AND DILATED AND I TOUCHED HIS EYEBALL WITH MY FINGER TO GET ANY INVOLUNTARY REACTION SUCH AS TWITCHING THE EYELID, MOVEMENT OF THE HEAD, JUST BASICALLY TO VERIFY THAT HE WAS DEAD.
KEY QUOTE # 521 Q: AND YOU FOUND WHAT?
# 522 A: THAT HE WAS DEAD.
# 523 Q: NOW, THAT PHOTOGRAPH IN 47-A, IS THAT HOW YOU FOUND HIM IN THAT POSITION?
# 525 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 526 A: I WENT BACK OUT TO THE STREET AND THE BACK-UP UNIT HAD ARRIVED AND I MET WITH THEM.
# 527 Q: NOW, DURING THAT ENTIRE TIME, SIR, DID YOU STEP IN ANY BLOOD IN THE WALKWAY OR AROUND THE VICTIMS?
# 529 Q: OR UP ON THE STAIRS OR THE PATHWAY LEADING TO THE FRONT DOOR?
# 531 Q: DID YOU TOUCH ANY OF THE EVIDENCE?
# 533 Q: AND WHY IS THAT?
# 534 A: BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE CRIME SCENE.
# 535 Q: IS THAT DOING WHAT YOU ARE TRAINED TO DO, SIR?
# 537 Q: STANDARD TRAINING?
# 539 Q: AT THAT POINT --
# 540 THE COURT: MISS CLARK, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A COURT REPORTER RECESS.
# 542 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF 15-MINUTE RECESS. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITION TO YOU. PLEASE DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONG YOURSELVES, FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE. DON'T LET ANYBODY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CASE. DON'T DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE IN FIFTEEN MINUTES. SEE YOU BACK HERE. OFFICER RISKE, YOU CAN STEP DOWN. DON'T DISCUSS YOUR TESTIMONY WITH ANYBODY BUT THE LAWYERS. WE WILL SEE YOU BACK HERE IN FIFTEEN MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR FIFTEEN.