Johnnie Cochran conducts direct examination of Rosa Lopez, a housekeeper at the neighboring Salinger property on Rockingham. Lopez provides alibi-friendly testimony placing OJ Simpson's white Bronco parked crookedly at 360 Rockingham from approximately 8:15 PM through at least 10:00 PM on June 12, 1994, and places Simpson himself audibly present at the property at approximately 9:45 PM and again at 11:00 PM. The examination is repeatedly interrupted by sustained and overruled objections from Darden, with translator coordination adding additional procedural friction throughout.
# 1 THE COURT: BACK ON THE RECORD IN THE SIMPSON MATTER. ALL PARTIES ARE AGAIN PRESENT. ROSA LOPEZ IS ON THE WITNESS STAND. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, MISS LOPEZ.
# 2 ROSA LOPEZ: GOOD AFTERNOON.
# 3 THE COURT: YOU ARE REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH. AND, MR. COCHRAN, YOU MAY CONTINUE WITH YOUR DIRECT EXAMINATION. AND I FORGOT TO IDENTIFY OUR COURT REPORTER FOR THE RECORD. MADAM, YOUR NAME?
# 4 MR. COCHRAN: INTERPRETER.
# 5 THE COURT: INTERPRETER.
# 6 THE INTERPRETER: ALICIA LUPER GALLANT, AND I HAVE AN OATH ON FILE.
# 7 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU.
# 8 THE COURT: I AM SORRY.
# 9 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS LOPEZ.
# 10 A: GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
# 11 Q: WHEN -- JUST BEFORE WE TOOK OUR BREAK, I WAS ASKING YOU WHAT HAPPENED NEXT AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT AT 8:15, YOU DID SOMETHING. DO YOU RECALL THAT?
# 12 A: I WENT OUTSIDE TO THE STREET BETWEEN 8:00 AND 8:15 APPROXIMATELY.
# 13 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU SAY APPROXIMATELY, WERE YOU WEARING A WATCH THAT PARTICULAR EVENING, IF YOU RECALL?
# 15 Q: AND WITH REGARD TO THE TIMES THAT VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT EVENING, DO YOU -- CAN YOU TELL THE COURT AND JURY HOPEFULLY HOW YOU KNEW WHAT TIME IT WAS AT VARIOUS TIMES?
# 16 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THAT QUESTION IS COMPOUND SINCE IT CALLS FOR FUTURE EVENTS, PAST EVENTS IN LIFE.
# 17 THE COURT: OVERRULED. YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
# 18 ROSA LOPEZ: BECAUSE I SAW THAT CLOCK THAT I HAVE ON MY NIGHT TABLE BY MY BED.
# 19 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND WHEN YOU SAW THAT CLOCK, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT HAD?
# 20 A: 8:05, 8:10, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
# 21 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AT THAT TIME, YOU WERE STILL INSIDE THE HOUSE?
# 23 Q: AND WAS IT AFTER THAT THAT YOU WENT OUTSIDE THE HOUSE AFTER YOU SAW THE CLOCK?
# 24 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. LEADING.
# 25 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 26 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER YOU SAW THE CLOCK AT 8:05 OR 8:10, WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
# 27 A: I WENT TO THE STREET.
# 28 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, I WANT -- IF WE CAN USE DEFENDANT'S 1044 THERE BEFORE YOU -- AND BY THE WAY, DO YOU HAVE SOME GLASSES NOW THAT ASSIST YOU IN BEING ABLE TO SEE?
# 29 A: YES, SIR (IN ENGLISH).
# 30 Q: AND WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE GLASSES?
# 31 A: MY -- MY ATTORNEY, FEMALE CONNOTATION, LET ME BORROW THEM.
# 32 Q: AND YOUR GLASSES ARE NOT HERE TODAY?
# 34 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO USE THOSE GLASSES AND LOOK AT DEFENDANT'S 1044 ON THE MONITOR THERE AND CAN YOU -- MR. HARRIS WILL USE THE LITTLE ARROW. AND CAN YOU SHOW US -- WHAT PART OF THE PROPERTY DID YOU GO TO AFTER 8:10 OR P.M. ON JUNE 12TH, 1994?
# 35 A: IN THE MONITOR HERE, IT'S NOT -- THE GATE -- THE SALINGER'S HOUSE IS NOT SHOWN VERY WELL IN THE MONITOR HERE.
# 36 Q: ALL RIGHT. THE GATE OF THE SALINGER'S HOUSE, WAS IT AT THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY?
# 38 Q: IT WAS ON ROCKINGHAM?
# 40 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND SO -- AND ROCKINGHAM IS THE STREET OUT FRONT; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 42 Q: AND LOOK AGAIN AT THE MONITOR AND SEE IF YOU SEE THE LITTLE GREEN THING AND SEE IF YOU --
# 44 Q: ALL RIGHT. IS THAT ROCKINGHAM?
# 46 Q: ALL RIGHT. THE GATE OF THE SALINGER'S HOME, WOULD THAT BE TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT AS YOU SIT THERE LOOKING AT IT?
# 47 A: AS I SEE IT HERE, IT'S TO MY RIGHT.
# 48 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND SO IT'S NOT SHOWN IN THAT PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 50 Q: DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT YOU -- DID YOU GO OUTSIDE THAT GATE?
# 51 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THAT'S LEADING.
# 52 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 53 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHAT DID YOU DO WITH REGARD TO THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY? WHERE DID YOU GO, IF YOU CAN TELL US THAT?
# 54 A: IF THERE WAS IN FRONT OF THE GATE -- IF THERE WAS A GATE IN FRONT BY THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVER, THAT'S WHERE I STOOD.
# 55 Q: AND WHAT STREET WOULD YOU BE STANDING ON AT THAT POINT?
# 57 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU RECALL, MISS LOPEZ, HOW LONG YOU REMAINED OUT AT THAT LOCATION OUT IN FRONT OF THE SALINGER'S HOME ON ROCKINGHAM, HOW LONG YOU STAYED THERE?
# 58 A: ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
# 59 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHILE YOU WERE OUT THERE OUT ON ROCKINGHAM, DID YOU EVER HAVE OCCASION TO SEE ANY CARS PARKED ON ROCKINGHAM?
# 60 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THAT'S LEADING, YOUR HONOR.
# 61 MR. COCHRAN: IT'S NOT LEADING.
# 62 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 63 MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU SEE ANY CARS PARKED, THAT'S NOT LEADING.
# 64 ROSA LOPEZ: THERE WAS A WHITE -- THERE WAS A WHITE CAR, A BRONCO.
KEY QUOTE # 65 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND WHERE WAS THIS WHITE BRONCO PARKED AT THE TIME YOU SAW IT?
# 66 A: AT 360 ROCKINGHAM.
# 67 Q: I WANT TO SHOW YOU AN EXHIBIT THAT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY MARKED.
# 68 MR. COCHRAN: IF I MIGHT FOR THE RECORD, YOUR HONOR, THIS IS PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT, YOUR HONOR, 62-A AND B SPECIFICALLY I'LL ASK HER TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND I'LL PUT IT ON THE BOARD HERE, YOUR HONOR.
# 69 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. AND, MR. COCHRAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THE PODIUM BECAUSE THE MICROPHONE -- WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY PICKING YOU UP AS FAR AS THE TAPE IS CONCERNED.
# 70 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT, YOUR HONOR.
# 71 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, BEFORE WE SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THEY ARE LEADING AND THEY INDICATE POSITIONS AND THE LIKE WHICH THE WITNESS HAS NOT TESTIFIED TO.
# 72 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED SOME FOUNDATIONAL QUESTIONS.
# 73 MR. COCHRAN: CERTAINLY, YOUR HONOR.
# 74 THE COURT: I'LL SUSTAIN THAT AS A FOUNDATIONAL OBJECTION.
# 75 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO --
# 76 MR. DARDEN: CAN THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE WITNESS IS STARING AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS?
# 77 THE COURT: SHE'S LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION, YES. MR. COCHRAN. BUT WE HAVE A VIDEOTAPE OF ALL OF THIS.
# 78 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: MISS LOPEZ, WITH REGARD TO THIS BRONCO THAT YOU DESCRIBED FOR US, WHAT COLOR WAS IT?
# 80 Q: AND DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THAT BRONCO AS IT WAS PARKED AT THE CURB?
# 81 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 82 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 83 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT HOW THE BRONCO WAS PARKED?
# 84 A: A LITTLE BIT CROOKED.
# 85 Q: AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT PORTION OF THE BRONCO WAS CROOKED?
# 86 A: I THINK IT WAS THE BACKSIDE.
# 87 Q: AND IS THERE A GATE ON THE ROCKINGHAM SIDE OF MR. SIMPSON'S PROPERTY?
# 89 Q: AND WAS THIS -- THIS BRONCO VEHICLE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WAS IT PARKED ANYWHERE NEAR THE CURB NEAR THAT GATE?
# 90 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, THIS IS LEADING.
# 91 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED.
# 92 MR. DARDEN: IS HE GOING TO LEAD THE WITNESS?
# 93 THE COURT: I'VE SUSTAINED IT, MR. DARDEN.
# 94 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY. WHERE WAS THE BRONCO PARKED IN RELATION TO THE PARK ON ROCKINGHAM STREET?
# 95 A: A LITTLE -- A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF THE GATE.
# 96 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, MAY I NOW SHOW THE WITNESS 62-A?
# 97 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION.
MS. LEWIS; OBJECTION.
# 98 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION.
# 99 MS. CLARK: NOT SUFFICIENT FOUNDATION.
# 100 MR. COCHRAN: MAY WE JUST HAVE ONE OF THEM AT A TIME, NOT ALL THREE OF THEM?
# 101 THE COURT: MR. DARDEN.
# 102 MR. DARDEN: I BELIEVE I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF OBJECTING.
# 103 THE COURT: BEFORE YOU WERE RUDELY INTERRUPTED BY YOUR COCOUNSEL?
# 104 MR. DARDEN: THAT'S CORRECT, ONCE AGAIN.
# 105 MS. CLARK: I AM SORRY. THAT WAS INARTFUL OF ME.
# 106 MR. DARDEN: BUT THERE'S STILL INSUFFICIENT FOUNDATION. DESCRIPTION OF THE VEHICLE, AN EXACT LOCATION IN WHICH IT IS PARKED, WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET, HOW SHE CAN IDENTIFY A PARTICULAR VEHICLE. LOTS OF FOUNDATIONAL ISSUES REMAIN.
# 107 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, SPEAKING OBJECTIONS. YOU WARNED COUNSEL ABOUT THAT.
# 108 THE COURT: BUT I DON'T HAVE A JURY HERE.
# 109 MR. COCHRAN: STILL BREAKING RULES, BAD HABITS, YOUR HONOR.
# 110 THE COURT: THAT'S TRUE.
# 111 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS WHITE BRONCO THAT YOU SAID WAS PARKED A LITTLE BIT ASKEW, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT BRONCO BEFORE THAT PARTICULAR DAY?
# 113 Q: OKAY. AND IF YOU WERE TO -- IF THE COURT -- CAN YOU SEE THIS DEFENDANT'S 1045 HERE? CAN YOU SEE THAT FROM WHERE YOU ARE?
# 115 Q: AND IF YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR GLASSES ON, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT.
# 117 Q: ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL US OR STEP DOWN AND SHOW US, SHOW THE COURT IN WHICH DIRECTION --
# 118 A: CAN YOU -- DO YOU GIVE ME PERMISSION, SIR?
# 120 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT.
# 121 A: IT WAS OVER HERE, RIGHT HERE (INDICATING).
# 122 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, SHE'S INDICATING AN AREA RIGHT INSIDE THE GATE.
# 124 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: IN WHICH DIRECTION WAS THE BRONCO HEADED, IF YOU CAN SHOW US? WHICH WAY WAS THE BRONCO HEADED?
# 125 A: UP ROCKINGHAM WAY.
# 126 Q: UP ROCKINGHAM WAY?
# 127 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE, IF THE COURT PLEASES, TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING 62-A.
# 128 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU SEE FROM WHERE YOU ARE ON WHAT'S BEEN MARKED PLAINTIFF'S 62-A AND B?
# 129 A: NO. NOT VERY WELL.
# 130 Q: ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU PUT YOUR GLASSES ON, STEP DOWN?
# 131 A: YES, BUT I HAVE TO GO DOWN, SIR.
# 132 THE COURT: YES, YOU MAY.
# 133 ROSA LOPEZ: THANK YOU.
# 134 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: I WANT YOU, FIRST OF ALL, TO LOOK AT 62-A. CAN YOU LOOK AT 62-A HERE?
# 136 Q: DOES THAT PHOTOGRAPH APPEAR TO YOU TO REFLECT THE WAY THE BRONCO WAS PARKED ABOUT 8:15 ON JUNE 12TH, 1994?
# 137 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, THAT'S LEADING.
# 138 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. SUSTAINED. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES THIS DEPICT.
# 139 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHAT DOES 62-A DEPICT TO YOU?
# 140 A: THE CAR IS PARKED CROOKED.
# 141 Q: ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LOOK AT 62-B?
# 143 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WOULD YOU LOOK AT 62-D?
# 147 Q: AND THEN LOOK AT 62-E.
# 149 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND YOU MAY RESUME THE STAND.
# 150 A: OKAY. THANK YOU.
# 151 Q: NOW, MISS LOPEZ, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, IS THAT THE WAY THE VEHICLE APPEARED TO YOU?
# 152 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. VAGUE AS TO TIME.
# 153 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 154 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
# 155 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. NOW, AFTER YOU SAW THIS WHITE BRONCO PARKED AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED --
# 156 THE COURT: EXCUSE ME, MR. COCHRAN. BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, MR. PAVELIC JUST CAME IN. I ASKED HIM -- I ASKED THE BAILIFFS TO ASK HIM TO REMAIN OUTSIDE.
# 157 MR. COCHRAN: FINE, YOUR HONOR.
# 158 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
# 159 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: TELL US WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
# 160 A: I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, SIR.
# 161 Q: OKAY. I'M SORRY. AFTER YOU SAW THE BRONCO AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT HERE, TELL US WHAT YOU DID NEXT, IF ANYTHING.
# 162 A: I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ASK.
# 163 Q: ALL RIGHT. YOU WERE OUT -- WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU SAW THE BRONCO?
# 165 Q: ALL RIGHT. DID THERE COME A TIME WHEN YOU LEFT THE STREET AND WENT SOMEPLACE ELSE?
# 167 Q: AND THAT'S BACK TO THE SAME ROOM YOU DESCRIBED ON 1044 THERE?
# 169 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW AFTER -- AFTER THAT, AFTER YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR ROOM, TELL US WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, IF YOU RECALL.
# 170 A: AFTER I WENT BACK TO MY ROOM?
# 171 Q: YES. AFTER YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR ROOM.
# 172 A: I STARTED TO WATCH TELEVISION.
# 173 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER YOU WATCHED TELEVISION FOR A WHILE, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO GO BACK OUTSIDE AT ANY TIME AFTER THAT? DO YOU RECALL?
# 174 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. IT'S LEADING. SHE SAID SHE ONLY WATCHED FOR AWHILE.
# 175 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 176 ROSA LOPEZ: I WENT OUTSIDE A LITTLE AFTER 10:00.
# 177 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. NOW, BEFORE YOU WENT OUTSIDE AT 10:00 O'CLOCK, DID YOU -- BEFORE YOU WENT BACK OUTSIDE AFTER 10:00 O'CLOCK, DID YOU EVER HEAR ANYTHING OR SEE ANYTHING IN OR AROUND MR. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE AFTER YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR ROOM AFTER 8:15?
# 178 MR. DARDEN: THAT'S LEADING, YOUR HONOR.
# 179 MR. COCHRAN: NO, IT'S NOT.
# 180 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 181 THE INTERPRETER: I DIDN'T HEAR THE RULING OF THE COURT.
# 182 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 183 THE INTERPRETER: OVERRULED? I AM SORRY. CAN I --
# 184 THE COURT: BEFORE YOU WENT BACK OUTSIDE AT 10:00 O'CLOCK, DID YOU HEAR -- EVER HEAR ANYTHING OR SEE ANYTHING AROUND MR. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE?
# 185 ROSA LOPEZ: AT 10:00 AT NIGHT?
# 186 THE COURT: AT ANY TIME AFTER YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR BEDROOM.
# 187 ROSA LOPEZ: A LITTLE -- AROUND 9:00, A LITTLE AFTER 9:00, I SAW MR. SIMPSON THAT LEFT IN THE BLACK CAR WITH ANOTHER PASSENGER. I DON'T KNOW WHO.
# 188 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU SEE WHERE MR. SIMPSON WENT AFTER 9:00 O'CLOCK IN THIS BLACK CAR?
# 189 A: HE WAS GOING DOWN ROCKINGHAM LIKE LOOKING FOR SUNSET.
# 190 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHICH DIRECTION WOULD THAT BE IF HE CAME -- WHICH GATE -- STRIKE THAT. WHICH GATE DID HE COME OUT OF?
# 192 Q: AND DID YOU SEE WHAT GATE -- WHICH WAY HE TURNED ON ROCKINGHAM?
# 194 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU LOSE SIGHT OF HIM AT THAT POINT?
# 195 A: YES, BECAUSE HE WENT DOWN THE STREET.
# 196 Q: AND THE PASSENGER WHO WAS IN HIS CAR, DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT PASSENGER WAS?
# 197 A: NO, I DIDN'T SEE IT.
# 199 A: I DIDN'T SEE HIM.
# 200 Q: OKAY. WAS THAT -- I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, WAS THAT A MAN OR A WOMAN?
# 201 A: I DIDN'T SEE IT. I JUST SAW THE BLOND HAIR OR YELLOW HAIR.
KEY QUOTE # 204 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, AFTER THIS HAPPENED, DID ANYTHING ELSE HAPPEN AFTER THAT THAT WAS OF AN UNUSUAL NATURE?
# 205 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THAT'S LEADING.
# 206 THE COURT: OVERRULED. ANYTHING ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION.
# 207 MR. COCHRAN: I'LL RESTATE THE QUESTION.
# 208 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AFTER THAT, DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION?
# 209 A: WELL, AROUND 9:30 OR BEFORE, I HEARD STEPS AND I WAS IN MY BEDROOM AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THEY WERE GOING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ON THE SALINGER'S SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR ON MR. SIMPSON'S.
# 210 Q: AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT THESE STEPS, HOW THEY SOUNDED?
# 211 A: LIKE JUST A REGULAR SHOE, SHOES.
# 212 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU -- WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANYONE WALKING EITHER ON THE SALINGER'S PROPERTY OR MR. SIMPSON'S PROPERTY?
# 214 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU HEARD THESE FOOTSTEPS?
# 215 MR. DARDEN: THIS MUST BE NONRESPONSIVE.
# 216 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. MADAME INTERPRETER, DID YOU CATCH MOST OF THAT?
# 217 THE INTERPRETER: YES.
# 218 ROSA LOPEZ: I WAS AFRAID BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THE SALINGER'S DIDN'T HAVE A FENCE OR BLOCK WALL OVER THERE, AND I -- I WENT BACK REALLY FAST INSIDE TO MY BEDROOM AND I -- I WAS -- I DUCKED DOWN LIKE THIS BECAUSE I WAS REALLY AFRAID AND THEN I CAME BACK UP (INDICATING).
# 219 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DUCKED DOWN --
# 220 MR. DARDEN: MOTION TO STRIKE. THAT'S NONRESPONSIVE.
# 221 THE COURT: NO. THE QUESTION WAS, "WHAT DID YOU DO?" "I WAS AFRAID. I LOOKED DOWN AND I DUCKED DOWN." THAT IS RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION. NEXT QUESTION.
# 222 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT HOW YOU DUCKED DOWN, WHERE YOU WERE.
# 223 A: I BENT OVER A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS, YOUR HONOR (INDICATING), AND I CLOSED THE WINDOW WITH MY HAND VERY, VERY SLOWLY SO NOT TO MAKE ANY NOISE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HEAR ME. NO WINDOW (IN ENGLISH). THE CURTAIN.
KEY QUOTE # 224 Q: ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A WINDOW -- IN THE PLACE WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE SALINGER'S HOME, IS THERE A WINDOW THAT FACES OUT ON MR. SIMPSON'S PROPERTY?
# 225 A: WELL, I SEE IT FROM MY BEDROOM WINDOW, BUT IT'S ON THE SIDE.
# 226 Q: AND WHICH SIDE DOES THAT WINDOW FACE, IF YOU RECALL?
# 227 A: TO THE SIDE WHERE THE -- MR. SIMPSON'S GATE IS ON ROCKINGHAM.
# 228 Q: CAN YOU LOOK AGAIN, USE YOUR GLASSES, AND LOOK AT THE MONITOR THERE? CAN YOU SEE THAT WINDOW NEAR THE ARROW WHERE YOU LIVE?
# 230 Q: AND WHICH WINDOW IS THAT? THE ONE DISPLAYED THERE BY THE ARROW?
# 232 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, AFTER YOU DUCKED DOWN AND YOU WERE AFRAID, WHAT ELSE HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 233 A: I HEARD AGAIN THAT A CAR CAME BY AND I HEARD WHEN THEY SHUT THE DOOR AND I HEARD THAT MR. SIMPSON TALKED TO SOMEBODY FOR A FEW SECONDS?
# 234 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU RECOGNIZE MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE?
# 235 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION.
# 237 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: HAD YOU HEARD HIS VOICE --
# 238 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. MOTION TO STRIKE. NO FOUNDATION.
# 239 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. LET'S GO BACK. NO FOUNDATION.
# 240 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: BEFORE THIS DATE OF JUNE 12TH OF 1994, HAD YOU EVER HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE BEFORE?
# 241 A: MANY TIMES, BECAUSE HE PLAYED WITH HIS CHILDREN IN THE YARD WITH NICOLE AND THEY TALKED IN THE YARD.
# 242 Q: AND SO DID YOU HEAR MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE WHEN THIS CAR CAME BACK AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED?
# 244 Q: AND DID YOU RECOGNIZE THAT VOICE?
# 246 Q: AND WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE?
# 248 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT TIME OF EVENING THAT WAS AT THAT TIME?
# 249 A: MORE OR LESS 15 TO 10:00 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
# 250 Q: NOW, BEFORE THAT, DID YOU EVER HEAR THESE FOOTSTEPS ANYMORE THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US EARLIER?
# 252 Q: WERE YOU STILL AFRAID AFTER YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE?
# 253 A: NO. NO. I FELT SAFER WHEN I FELT THAT HE CAME BACK.
KEY QUOTE # 254 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW AFTER THAT, WHAT NEXT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, AFTER YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE, IF YOU RECALL?
# 255 A: WELL, BY THEN, IT WAS 10:00 AND I HAD TO TAKE THE DOG BACK OUTSIDE.
# 256 Q: IS THIS THE GOLDEN RETRIEVER THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US?
# 258 Q: AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT AGAIN WHERE YOU TOOK THE DOG ON THIS OCCASION?
# 259 A: I TOOK HER IN FRONT OF ROCKINGHAM.
# 260 Q: WERE YOU -- WAS THERE A GATE ON THE SALINGER'S PROPERTY IN FRONT OF ROCKINGHAM?
# 262 Q: AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHERE YOU TOOK THE DOG ON THIS OCCASION? AND IF YOU WANT TO REFER TO THE MONITOR, YOU CAN SHOW US ON THAT.
# 263 A: I WOULD HAVE TO STAND, YOUR HONOR, BECAUSE --
# 265 MR. COCHRAN: I'LL TAKE THIS DOWN, YOUR HONOR, AND WE'LL REFER TO 1045, IF THE COURT PLEASES.
# 266 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: CAN YOU POINT OUT FOR THE COURT --
# 267 A: RIGHT HERE. THERE'S A BIG TREE RIGHT HERE AND HERE, AND OVER HERE. THE DOG WALKED ALL OVER THIS AREA (INDICATING).
# 268 THE COURT: INDICATING THE FRONT LAWN AREA OF THAT RESIDENCE.
# 269 MR. COCHRAN: OF 1045 SOUTH --
# 271 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WERE YOU WEARING A WATCH AT THIS POINT AT ALL?
# 273 Q: AND YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS BEING SOMEWHERE AROUND 10:00 O'CLOCK. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
# 274 A: I SAID A LITTLE AFTER 10:00 BECAUSE I SAW THE CLOCK IN MY BEDROOM, AND IT WAS 10:00.
# 275 Q: ALL RIGHT. AFTER YOU SAW THE CLOCK IN YOUR BEDROOM, DID YOU DO ANYTHING INSIDE THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU CAME OUTSIDE?
# 277 Q: CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT THINGS YOU DID BEFORE YOU CAME OUTSIDE? AND TELL US EACH THING THAT YOU DID.
# 278 A: I PUT A LITTLE BIT OF WATER TO BOIL FOR SOME TEA.
# 279 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER YOU DID THAT -- DID YOU DRINK THE TEA AT THAT POINT?
# 281 Q: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE INSIDE THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU WENT OUTSIDE?
# 282 A: I TOOK OFF THIS COLLAR THAT THEY PUT ON THE DOG BECAUSE SHE BITES HERSELF. AND I LOOKED FOR THE LEASH AND I PUT THE LEASH ON THE DOG AND I WENT OUTSIDE.
# 283 Q: WHEN YOU SAID THE DOG WOULD BITE ITSELF OR YOU MADE A MOTION WITH YOUR HANDS, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE DOG WOULD DO AND WHY THE DOG HAD THIS COLLAR ON?
# 284 A: THE GENTLEMAN SAYS THAT SHE HAS ALLERGIES AND SHE BITES HERSELF ALL OVER WHEN THEY TAKE AWAY THAT COLLAR.
# 285 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO YOU TOOK THIS COLLAR OFF BEFORE YOU WENT OUTSIDE?
# 287 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND THEN YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT YOU FOUND THE LEASH. AND CAN YOU TELL US WHERE YOU FOUND THIS LEASH, WHERE THE LEASH WAS?
# 289 Q: AND WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU DO WITH THE LEASH?
# 290 A: I PUT IT ON THE DOG AND I TAKE HER OUT.
# 291 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US THE AREA WHERE YOU WENT WHEN YOU TOOK THE DOG OUT. DID YOU -- DO YOU RECALL -- STRIKE THAT. WHEN YOU WENT OUTSIDE WITH THE DOG AFTER LEAVING YOUR ROOM, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO LOOK AT THE STREET ON ROCKINGHAM STREET?
# 293 THE INTERPRETER: YOUR HONOR, CAN I INQUIRE? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
# 294 THE COURT: YES, YOU MAY.
# 295 ROSA LOPEZ: OH, YOU COULD SEE THE STREET JUST FINE.
# 296 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND YOU COULD SEE ROCKINGHAM FROM THE LOCATION YOU DESCRIBED FOR US IN THE SALINGER'S YARD; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 297 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. LEADING.
# 298 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 299 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WELL, HOW -- WHERE WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE STREET FROM?
# 300 A: WHERE THE DOG WAS CLOSE TO THE TREE.
# 301 Q: AND WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THIS BRONCO VEHICLE?
# 303 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 304 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. THE ANSWER IS STRICKEN.
# 305 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CARS PARKED OUT THERE ON ROCKINGHAM THERE?
# 307 Q: AND WHAT CAR DID YOU SEE PARKED OUT THERE, IF ANY?
# 308 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 309 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 310 ROSA LOPEZ: THE BRONCO.
# 311 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND IF I WERE TO SHOW YOU AGAIN 62-A, ET CETERA, PLACE IT BACK UP HERE --
# 312 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION. NO FOUNDATION. OBJECTION. THIS IS LEADING.
# 313 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, WAIT A MINUTE.
# 314 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. FOUNDATION. OBJECTION. THIS IS LEADING.
# 315 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR --
# 316 MR. DARDEN: SAVES US SOME --
# 317 MR. COCHRAN: IT'S SAD, YOUR HONOR. IT'S SAD. WHICH OF THE TWO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE? BOTH OF THEM?
# 318 MS. CLARK: IT'S MAGIC. HIS LIPS NEVER MOVED.
# 319 THE COURT: I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EITHER SHORTLY.
# 320 MS. CLARK: SORRY, YOUR HONOR.
# 321 THE COURT: TWICE IN THE SAME SESSION, COUNSEL.
# 322 MR. DARDEN: I HAVE A RIGHT TO OBJECT, CORRECT, YOUR HONOR? I WOULD LIKE TO ASSERT THIS RIGHT NOW. NO FOUNDATION. IT'S LEADING.
# 323 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 324 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WITH REGARD TO --
# 325 THE COURT: ON THE FOUNDATIONAL PART OF IT.
# 326 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 327 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN YOU LOOKED AND YOU SAW THIS BRONCO, CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHETHER OR NOT THE BRONCO APPEARED TO BE PARKED IN THE SAME WAY IT WAS PARKED WHEN YOU SAW IT AT 8:15 THAT NIGHT?
# 328 MR. DARDEN: IT'S LEADING, YOUR HONOR. OBJECTION.
# 329 THE COURT: OVERRULED. YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
# 330 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 331 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND, YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW 62-A AT THIS POINT.
# 332 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
# 333 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED 62-A, B, D AND E. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK IF YOU CAN SEE THOSE, STEP DOWN WITH THE COURT'S PERMISSION.
# 335 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK -- WHEN YOU SAW THIS BRONCO VEHICLE PARKED AT THE CURB AT ROCKINGHAM, DID IT APPEAR AS IT APPEARS THERE IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS 62-A, B, DID AND E WHEN YOU SAW IT AFTER 10:00 CLOCK ON JUNE 12TH, 1994?
# 336 MR. DARDEN: LEADING, YOUR HONOR. OBJECTION.
# 337 THE COURT: OVERRULED. YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
# 338 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
# 339 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU MAY RESUME YOUR SEAT. NOW, MISS LOPEZ, IF YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW LONG WERE YOU OUTSIDE WITH THE DOG BEFORE YOU NEXT WENT SOMEPLACE ELSE?
# 340 A: A VERY SHORT TIME.
# 341 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND YOU WATCHED THE DOG AND YOU HAD HIM ON A LEASH DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, DID YOU?
# 343 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LEFT -- AT THAT POINT, DID YOU GO SOMEPLACE ELSE?
# 344 A: NO. I WENT BACK INSIDE MY HOUSE.
# 345 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LEFT TO GO BACK INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, WAS THE BRONCO STILL PARKED AT THE CURB THE SAME WAY YOU HAD SEEN IT EARLIER?
# 346 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.
# 347 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 349 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND THEN YOU WENT BACK INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, AND WHERE DID YOU GO AT THAT POINT INSIDE THE HOUSE?
# 351 Q: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU GO TO YOUR BEDROOM AT THAT POINT?
# 352 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 353 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 354 ROSA LOPEZ: I PUT THE COLLAR BACK ON THE DOG, I TAKE OFF THE LEASH AND I LEAVE HER THERE AND THEN I JUST GO BACK INTO MY BEDROOM.
# 355 MR. DARDEN: NONRESPONSIVE, YOUR HONOR. MOTION TO STRIKE.
# 356 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 357 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND AFTER YOU DID THIS AND YOU WENT TO YOUR BEDROOM, WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT? WHAT DID YOU NEXT DO?
# 358 MR. DARDEN: ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE. IT'S LEADING.
# 359 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 360 ROSA LOPEZ: WATCHED T.V.
# 361 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW LONG YOU WATCHED TELEVISION BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED?
# 362 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASSUMES SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED.
# 363 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.
# 364 MR. COCHRAN: CERTAINLY, YOUR HONOR.
# 365 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU WATCH TELEVISION FOR A PERIOD OF TIME?
# 367 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW LONG YOU WATCHED TELEVISION?
# 369 Q: ALL RIGHT. AT SOME POINT LATER THAT EVENING, DID YOU EVER HEAR ANY MORE VOICES?
# 370 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. IT'S LEADING, YOUR HONOR.
# 371 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION.
# 372 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION --
# 373 MR. COCHRAN: SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD QUESTION TO ME.
# 374 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID ANYTHING ELSE ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION LATER THAT EVENING?
# 376 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WAS, APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT WAS, MA'AM?
# 377 A: ABOUT 11:00 P.M., I HEARD THE VOICE AND I COULDN'T DISTINGUISH WHAT MR. SIMPSON WAS SAYING. BUT I HEARD THE VOICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.
# 378 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHERE WERE YOU WHEN YOU --
# 379 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THAT'S NONRESPONSIVE.
# 380 MR. COCHRAN: IT'S RESPONSIVE.
# 381 MR. DARDEN: HE ASKED WHEN THAT WAS, APPROXIMATE TIME.
# 382 MR. COCHRAN: SHE SAID 11:00 O'CLOCK.
# 383 MR. DARDEN: I THINK WE HAVE FOUR LINES OF DIALOGUE AFTER THAT.
# 384 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 385 MR. COCHRAN: WHAT PORTION, YOUR HONOR?
# 386 THE COURT: IT'S STRICKEN, THE PART THAT'S NOT RESPONSIVE AFTER 11:00 O'CLOCK. WHEN WAS THAT, THEN WHAT WAS THAT.
# 387 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AT 11:00 O'CLOCK, YOU HEARD SOME CONVERSATION. WILL YOU TELL US WHAT WAS THAT THAT YOU HEARD AT THAT POINT?
# 388 A: I DIDN'T HEARD WHAT WAS SAID. I JUST HEARD THAT THEY TALKED.
# 389 Q: AND YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE, DID YOU?
# 391 Q: DID YOU RECOGNIZE ANY OTHER VOICES THAT YOU HEARD THAT NIGHT AT THAT TIME?
# 393 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE? WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
# 394 A: THEN EVERYTHING WAS QUIET.
# 395 Q: AND AFTER EVERYTHING WAS QUIET, WHERE WERE YOU INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, INSIDE THE SALINGER'S HOUSE?
# 396 A: AT THAT TIME, I'M ALWAYS IN MY BEDROOM ALL THE TIME.
# 397 Q: NOW, AFTER THAT, DID SOMETHING ELSE DRAW YOUR ATTENTION AFTER YOU HAD HEARD MR. SIMPSON'S VOICE AND AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME PASSED?
# 398 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THE WITNESS HAS TESTIFIED THAT EVERYTHING WAS QUIET AFTER.
# 399 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 400 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID THERE COME A TIME WHEN THINGS WEREN'T QUIET IN AND AROUND THE -- YOUR RESIDENCE OR MR. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE?
# 401 MR. DARDEN: THAT'S LEADING, YOUR HONOR.
# 402 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 403 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID THERE COME A TIME?
# 404 A: ABOUT 12:00 MIDNIGHT, I HEARD THAT -- MEN THAT WERE TALKING ON THE ROCKINGHAM SIDE AND HIS DOG, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS NAME IS, THAT IT'S A BLACK DOG WAS BARKING A LOT.
# 405 Q: WHAT TIME WAS THIS?
# 406 A: ABOUT 12:00 MIDNIGHT.
# 407 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW THAT DOG'S NAME?
# 409 Q: IS THAT MR. SIMPSON'S DOG?
# 410 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 411 ROSA LOPEZ: YES, SIR.
# 412 MR. DARDEN: HOW DOES SHE KNOW MR. SIMPSON'S DOG?
# 413 MR. COCHRAN: SHE LIVED NEXT DOOR FOR THREE YEARS. SO I THINK SHE PROBABLY --
# 414 MS. CLARK: I AM SORRY, YOUR HONOR?
# 415 THE COURT: OVERRULED. THE ANSWER WILL STAND.
# 416 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU HEARD THE DOG BARKING?
# 417 A: HE BARKED AND HE CRIED, SIR.
# 418 Q: AND HOW LONG DID YOU HEAR THIS DOG BARKING, IF YOU RECALL?
# 419 A: ABOUT A QUARTER TO 1:00, ABOUT 15 TO 1:00.
# 420 Q: AND THESE VOICES THAT YOU HAD HEARD THAT YOU SAID WERE NEAR ROCKINGHAM, HOW LONG DID THOSE VOICES CONTINUE?
# 421 A: I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE I WASN'T INTERESTED IN -- IN -- I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WATCHING THE TIME. I DIDN'T SEE THE CLOCK. MAYBE 12:30, 12:40. I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW.
# 422 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU FIRST HEARD THE VOICES ABOUT MIDNIGHT?
# 423 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, WE ARE CLEAR. THIS IS LEADING.
# 424 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 426 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND TO THE BEST OF YOUR RECOLLECTION, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD THESE VOICES ON THIS EARLY MORNING?
# 427 A: AROUND 12:30 I THINK.
# 428 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AT THE TIME THAT YOU LAST HEARD THESE VOICES ABOUT 12:30, DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THE DOG WAS STILL BARKING DURING THIS TIME?
# 430 Q: AND CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER OR NOT YOU EVER SAW ANY PERSONS OUTSIDE NEAR ROCKINGHAM WHEN YOU HEARD THESE VOICES?
# 431 A: I WAS VERY SCARED AND I WASN'T ABOUT TO OPEN MY WINDOW WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE STEPS, THE FOOTSTEPS. I DON'T --
# 432 Q: YOU DIDN'T HEAR --
# 433 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THAT'S NONRESPONSIVE, YOUR HONOR. MOTION TO STRIKE.
# 434 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. REASK THE QUESTION. THE ANSWER IS STRICKEN.
# 435 MR. COCHRAN: CERTAINLY.
# 436 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU EVER -- WHEN YOU HEARD THESE MEN'S VOICES ABOUT 12:00 MIDNIGHT, DID YOU EVER LOOK OUTSIDE AND SEE ANY MEN OUTSIDE NEAR ROCKINGHAM?
# 437 MR. DARDEN: IT'S COMPOUND.
# 438 THE COURT: ASSUMES THAT IT'S MEN TOO.
# 439 MR. COCHRAN: I THOUGHT SHE SAID MEN.
# 440 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN YOU HEARD THESE VOICES OUTSIDE, DID YOU EVER LOOK OUTSIDE AND SEE ANYONE?
# 442 Q: DID YOU EVER LOOK OUTSIDE AND SEE THE DOG AT ANY TIME AFTER YOU HEARD THE DOG START TO BARK?
# 443 A: NO, BECAUSE I HAD MY CURTAINS CLOSED. I DON'T LOOK OUTSIDE.
# 444 Q: ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW LONG THE DOG CONTINUED TO BARK, IF YOU KNOW?
# 445 MR. DARDEN: YOUR HONOR, THIS IS ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 446 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 447 ROSA LOPEZ: FOR A LONG TIME, SIR.
# 448 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. NOW, DID YOU CONTINUE TO REMAIN AWAKE DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME OR DID YOU FALL ASLEEP OR WHAT HAPPENED?
# 449 A: I -- I FELL ASLEEP LATER.
# 450 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND CAN YOU TELL THE COURT WHAT TIME IT WAS THAT YOU FELL ASLEEP THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?
# 451 A: I DIDN'T SEE THE CLOCK, WHAT TIME I FELL ASLEEP.
# 452 Q: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TIME IT WAS WHEN YOU FELL ASLEEP AT ALL?
# 453 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 454 THE COURT: OVERRULED. YOU CAN ANSWER.
# 455 ROSA LOPEZ: ABOUT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, 2:00 A.M. I THINK.
# 456 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT YOUR CLOCK AT THAT POINT?
# 458 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU FELL ASLEEP, DO YOU REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT THE -- THERE WAS ANY NOISE FROM THE DOG BARKING AT 360 ROCKINGHAM JUST BEFORE YOU FELL ASLEEP, IF YOU REMEMBER?
# 460 Q: ALL RIGHT. NOW, AFTER YOU FELL ASLEEP SOMETIME AFTER 2:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU WOKE UP ON MONDAY, JUNE 13TH, 1994?
# 461 A: I GOT UP ABOUT 8:00 IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE GARDENERS CAME. THAT'S WHAT TIME THE GARDENERS COME.
# 462 Q: AND DO THE GARDENERS COME -- DO THEY COME EVERY MONDAY AT THAT TIME BACK IN JUNE OF 1994?
# 463 A: THEY -- THEY COME 15 MINUTES EARLIER OR LATER, AND -- BUT THEY'RE THERE AT 8:00 O'CLOCK AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE WITH THE BLOWER.
# 464 Q: AND THE BLOWER SOUND AWAKENED YOU; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 465 A: NO. WELL, I GOT UP, YOU SEE, BECAUSE THE GARDENERS WERE ALREADY THERE.
# 466 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER YOU GOT UP, DID SOMEONE COME TO YOUR DOOR AT SOME POINT THAT MORNING?
# 467 MR. DARDEN: THIS IS LEADING, YOUR HONOR.
# 468 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 469 ROSA LOPEZ: SOMEBODY RANG THE DOORBELL.
# 470 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: AND THIS -- THE DOORBELL THIS PERSON RANG, DO YOU KNOW OR CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE COURT WHERE THAT WAS IN RELATION TO YOUR -- WHERE YOU LIVED, THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU OCCUPIED IN THE SALINGER'S HOME?
# 471 A: IT'S AT THE DOOR WHERE THE -- THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE GO IN.
# 472 Q: ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU ABLE -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONITOR AGAIN, ARE YOU ABLE TO FIND THAT DOOR AT ANYPLACE ON THE MONITOR THERE ON DEFENDANT'S 1044?
# 473 A: THIS IS WAY TOO SMALL, SIR. I CAN'T SEE THAT.
# 474 Q: ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN SOMEONE WAS AT THE DOOR, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 475 A: I OPENED THE DOOR. WELL, NO. EXCUSE ME. FIRST I ASKED WHO IS IT, WHO IS IT.
# 476 Q: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU REMEMBER --
# 477 A: AND HE SAID, "I AM LOS ANGELES POLICE."
# 478 Q: AND COULD YOU SEE --
# 479 A: "I AM A POLICEMAN FROM LOS ANGELES."
# 480 Q: ALL RIGHT. COULD YOU SEE THIS PERSON AT THAT POINT?
# 481 A: THEN I OPENED THE DOOR.
# 482 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU OPENED THE DOOR, WHAT DID YOU SEE, IF ANYTHING? DID YOU SEE A MALE OR FEMALE?
# 484 Q: AND AT THAT POINT, DID YOU HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THIS PERSON?
# 485 A: HE TOLD ME, "I'M DETECTIVE MIKE FUHRMAN."
# 486 Q: WELL, JUST A MOMENT. DID HE SAY -- COULD YOU SAY THAT NAME AGAIN?
# 487 A: I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT VERY WELL.
# 489 A: YOU CAN PRONOUNCE IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
# 490 MR. COCHRAN: MAY WE APPROACH JUST A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?