Redirect examination of Zulema Iida

📄 Redirect examination of Zulema Iida — Friday, February 24, 1995

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TRIAL

▲ Day 25 of 167

◀ Cross-examination of Zulema Iida Recross-examination of Zulema Iida ▶

Witness: Zulema Iida
Examiner: Johnnie Cochran
Called by: Defense • Date: Friday, February 24, 1995 • Utterances: 81

Cochran conducts a brief redirect of travel agent Zulema Iida to clarify the timeline and payment status of Rosa Lopez's flight reservations. He establishes that the March 13 round-trip reservations were made on February 21 and have not been paid for, and that the current one-way reservation for tomorrow (~$320) must be paid before the flight. His final attempt to ask what Lopez told her on February 21 drew objections and yielded nothing — the witness said Lopez told her nothing.

# 1

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

# 2

BY MR. COCHRAN:

# 3 Q:

MISS IIDA, THE RESERVATIONS THAT YOU REFERRED TO THAT WERE FOR MARCH, MARCH -- WHATEVER DATE IT WAS IN MARCH, WHEN WERE THOSE RESERVATIONS MADE?

# 4 A:

WOULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?

# 5 Q:

THE RESERVATIONS THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING TO MISS CLARK ABOUT THAT YOU SAID WERE MADE LIKE IN MARCH THAT WAS A ROUND TRIP FOR 400 AND PLUS DOLLARS --

# 6 A:

YES.

# 7 Q:

-- DO YOU KNOW WHEN THOSE RESERVATIONS WERE MADE?

# 8 A:

21ST OF FEBRUARY.

# 9 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THAT, THE RESERVATIONS THAT WERE MADE AT THE FIRST OF FEBRUARY --

# 10 A:

YES.

# 11 Q:

-- WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS A ROUND-TRIP TICKET OR A ONE-WAY TICKET?

# 12 A:

THE FIRST TIME WE MADE THE RESERVATION WAS A ONE-WAY TICKET.

# 13 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND MISS CLARK ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOUR MEMORY WAS REMINDED OR REFRESHED BY ROSA LOPEZ. DO YOU RECALL THAT YOU ACTUALLY MADE THOSE RESERVATIONS FOR THE FIRST OF FEBRUARY?

# 14 A:

I RECALL.

# 15 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT'S YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION OF THE DATE THAT MISS LOPEZ WAS SUPPOSED TO LEAVE TO GO FROM LAX TO EL SALVADOR?

# 16 A:

WELL, 15 OF FEBRUARY.

# 17 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN SHE DID NOT TAKE THAT TRIP OBVIOUSLY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 18 A:

CORRECT.

# 19 Q:

AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE RESERVATIONS THAT SHE ASKED YOU ABOUT IN MARCH, MARCH -- WHAT WAS THE DATE? DO YOU RECALL?

# 20 A:

MARCH -- I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THAT?

# 21 Q:

WHAT WAS THE DATE IN MARCH?

# 22 A:

WHEN SHE WANTS TO LEAVE?

# 23 Q:

YES.

# 24 A:

I BELIEVE IT'S 13 OF MARCH.

# 25 Q:

AND DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT TICKET HAS EVER BEEN PAID FOR?

# 26 A:

THOSE TICKETS HAVE NOT BEEN PAID FOR.

KEY QUOTE

# 27 Q:

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PAID FOR?

# 28 A:

NO.

# 29 Q:

AND THEY WERE MADE ON FEBRUARY 21ST?

# 30 A:

THEY WERE MADE ON FEBRUARY 21ST.

# 31 Q:

AND IF YOU DON'T PAY FOR THEM WITHIN 24 HOURS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TICKETS OR THE RESERVATIONS?

# 32 A:

THE RESERVATION REMAINS THERE AND THE PRICE MAY GO UP OR MAY GO DOWN.

# 33 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THE ONLY WAY YOU RESERVE THE ACTUAL FARE IS, YOU PAY FOR IT WITHIN 24 HOURS --

# 34 A:

24 HOURS.

# 35 Q:

-- OF THE DATE THAT YOU MAKE THE RESERVATION; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 36 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 37 Q:

AND THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY WAS LAST TUESDAY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 38 A:

YES. I THINK SO.

# 39 Q:

NOW, YOU INDICATED IN RESPONSE TO MISS CLARK'S QUESTIONS THAT MISS LOPEZ HAS ASKED YOU AND SHE NOW HAS RESERVATIONS ON A FLIGHT LEAVING HERE TOMORROW NIGHT?

# 40 A:

CORRECT.

# 41 Q:

AND WHAT'S THAT FARE?

# 42 A:

ONE-WAY FARE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT WILL BE 297 AND 14, ABOUT -- ABOUT $320, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

# 43 Q:

$320?

# 44 A:

YES.

# 45 Q:

AND WHEN DOES THAT HAVE TO BE PAID FOR BY?

# 46 A:

24 HOURS OR TOMORROW.

# 47 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO IT WAS MADE TODAY. SO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT EITHER WITHIN 24 HOURS OR BEFORE THE FLIGHT?

# 48 A:

TOMORROW. BEFORE THE FLIGHT.

# 49 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER RESERVATIONS FOR LATER IN MARCH, SHE WOULD HAVE TO -- SHE'LL TAKE WHATEVER SHE CAN GET IF SHE TRIES TO USE THOSE LATER, IS THAT CORRECT, IF SHE HASN'T PAID FOR THEM NOW?

# 50 A:

SAY THAT AGAIN?

# 51 Q:

SURE. WITH REGARD TO THAT, SHE'S NOT PAID FOR THOSE TICKETS; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 52 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 53 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND SO THE RESERVATIONS WILL STILL STAND, BUT THERE ARE NO TICKETS; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 54 A:

THAT'S RIGHT.

# 55 Q:

THAT WAS MADE ON FEBRUARY 21ST?

# 56 A:

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT.

# 57 Q:

AND THAT WAS MADE AFTER THE RESERVATIONS YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT THAT WERE MADE IN THE FIRST PART OF FEBRUARY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 58 A:

YES.

# 59 Q:

OR FEBRUARY 15TH?

# 60 A:

SOMETIME BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY.

# 61 Q:

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT UNUSUAL HAPPENED IN ROSA LOPEZ' LIFE ON FEBRUARY 21ST? DID SHE TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT AT ALL?

# 62 MS. CLARK:

OBJECTION. OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.

# 63 MR. COCHRAN:

SHE CAN ANSWER THAT.

# 64 THE COURT:

HEARSAY.

# 65 MR. COCHRAN:

ANYTHING UNUSUAL, THAT'S HEARSAY, YOUR HONOR?

# 66 THE COURT:

"DID SHE TELL YOU ANYTHING?"

# 67 MR. COCHRAN:

SHE CAN ANSWER THAT YES OR NO.

KEY QUOTE

# 68 MS. CLARK:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. WHAT'S THE RELEVANCE?

# 69 MR. COCHRAN:

I CAN LINK IT UP.

# 70 MS. CLARK:

HEARSAY.

# 71 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY I PROCEED?

# 72 THE COURT:

ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I'M SUSPICIOUS.

KEY QUOTE

# 73 MR. COCHRAN:

DON'T BE SUSPICIOUS.

KEY QUOTE

# 74 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

# 75 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU -- DID ROSA LOPEZ TELL YOU ANYTHING AT ALL WHEN SHE MADE THE RESERVATIONS ON FEBRUARY 21ST, IF YOU RECALL?

# 76 A:

NO.

# 77 Q:

ALL RIGHT. WERE THOSE RESERVATIONS MADE THROUGH YOU?

# 78 A:

YES.

# 79 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY KINDLY. NOTHING FURTHER.

# 80 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK.

# 81 MS. CLARK:

YES. VERY BRIEFLY.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Zulema Iida

THOSE TICKETS HAVE NOT BEEN PAID FOR.

Undermines any suggestion that Lopez had a firm, pre-planned departure — the March reservations were unpaid placeholders.

Judge Ito

ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I'M SUSPICIOUS.

Rare moment of judicial candor; Ito signals skepticism about where Cochran is going but allows it.

Johnnie Cochran

DON'T BE SUSPICIOUS.

Cochran's breezy reply to the judge — light and confident, characteristic of his courtroom manner.

Zulema Iida

NO.

The anticlimax ending — Lopez told the witness nothing notable on Feb 21, leaving Cochran's setup without a payoff.

Evidence (1)

Informal

Rosa Lopez's airline reservations: one-way ticket made early February, unused February 15 departure, round-trip reservation made February 21 for March 13 (unpaid), and new one-way reservation for tomorrow (~$320)

discussed

Notable Exchanges (1)

Johnnie Cochran•Judge Ito•Marcia Clark

Cochran attempts to elicit what Rosa Lopez said on February 21 when making reservations. Clark objects on hearsay and relevance. Ito allows the question while openly stating 'I'm suspicious.' Cochran responds 'Don't be suspicious.' The witness ultimately answers 'No,' deflating the setup.

light/strategic

Light Moments (1)

Johnnie Cochran / Judge Ito

Judge Ito tells Cochran 'I'm suspicious' before allowing his question; Cochran replies 'Don't be suspicious.'

Objections

3 objections (1 sustained, 0 overruled)

Proceeding 5075 • 81 utterances • Defense witness

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