THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE'VE NOW BEEN REJOINED BY ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR JURY PANEL. DETECTIVE TOM LANGE IS STILL ON THE WITNESS STAND ON DIRECT EXAMINATION. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, DETECTIVE LANGE. YOU ARE REMINDED THAT YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH.
BY MS. CLARK: NOW, DETECTIVE LANGE, I BELIEVE YOU INDICATED THAT YOU HAD JUST MADE CONTACT WITH KATO KAELIN AND THAT SOMEONE HAD ASKED WHO HE WAS AND HE GAVE HIS IDENTITY, HIS NAME TO YOU?
I BELIEVE PHILLIPS ASKED SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND KATO DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A RESPONSE. HE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW, DIDN'T APPEAR TO KNOW.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO KAELIN WAS. THE OTHER DETECTIVES DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. HE WAS NOT A FAMILY MEMBER. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE HIM IDENTIFIED PROPERLY. WE KNEW HIS NAME, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE HIM IDENTIFIED.
AND SO NOT HAVING HAD HIM IDENTIFIED, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO TELL HIM WHY YOU WERE THERE?
FUHRMAN SPOKE WITH KAELIN AND ASKED HIM IF HE WAS WEARING -- WHERE THE SHOES WERE HE WAS WEARING LAST NIGHT, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, IF HE COULD LOOK AT THEM, AND KAELIN STATED SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS PHILLIPS WHO ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE IN THE AREA AND KAELIN STATED THAT ARNELLE WAS NEXT DOOR, INDICATING THAT THAT WAS MR. SIMPSON'S DAUGHTER.
I WAS STILL OUT IN THE -- ON THE WALKWAY. PHILLIPS PROCEEDED DOWN THE WALKWAY TO THE NEXT ROOM OVER AND I WAS BEHIND HIM, AND PHILLIPS HAD KNOCKED ON THAT DOOR AND A SHORT TIME LATER ARNELLE SIMPSON APPEARED.
AND WAS THERE A CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN ARNELLE SIMPSON AND ONE OF THE DETECTIVES?
YES. SHE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE, IF THERE WAS ANY PROBLEMS. SHE SEEMED TO ME TO BE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF OUR PRESENCE.
WE MOVED TOWARDS THE REAR AFTER ASKING ARNELLE IF SHE HAD A KEY TO THE LOCATION. SHE SAID SHE DID. I BELIEVE SHE RETURNED TO HER ROOM BRIEFLY AND GOT THE KEY AND CAME BACK OUT. WE THEN PROCEEDED TO THE REAR DOOR OF THE RESIDENCE WHERE SHE UNLOCKED THE DOOR AND WE ENTERED.
WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE HAD AT THAT POINT. I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HER TO MAINTAIN HERSELF EMOTIONALLY BEFORE WE TOLD HER ANYTHING BECAUSE WE MAY NEED HER COOPERATION AT A FUTURE TIME.
WELL, WE DIDN'T WANT HER TO -- WE WANTED HER TO BE -- TO HAVE IT TOGETHER ENOUGH TO TALK TO US REGARDING THE WHEREABOUTS OF HER FATHER CERTAINLY. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS A VICTIM. AND I FELT BY TELLING HER THAT HER EX-STEPMOTHER WAS NOW DECEASED MIGHT BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR HER WHEN IN FACT WE DIDN'T KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF MR. SIMPSON AT THAT TIME.
OKAY. AND WHAT COULD -- WHAT DID YOU THINK SHE COULD ASSIST YOU WITH IF -- TRYING -- YOU WANTED TO MAINTAIN HER CALM AND COOPERATIVE, WHAT DID YOU THINK SHE WOULD HELP YOU WITH?
OKAY. BY THE WAY, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WERE TWO SMALL CHILDREN BEING HELD AT THE WEST L.A. POLICE STATION?
CERTAINLY I FELT THAT ARNELLE SIMPSON OR SOMEONE SHE KNEW COULD HELP US WITH THAT, YES.
BECAUSE WE HAD INFORMATION THAT THERE WAS IN FACT A HOUSEKEEPER ON THE PREMISES OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HOUSEKEEPER ON THE PREMISES AND I WANTED TO KNOW.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ONE ON THE PREMISES. I ASKED HER WHERE THE HOUSEKEEPER'S ROOM WOULD BE. SHE POINTED OUT A LOCATION TO THE REAR OF THE KITCHEN, AND AT SOME POINT, I PROCEEDED OVER THERE AND WALKED INTO THAT ROOM, THE ROOM THAT SHE STATED BELONGED TO THE HOUSEKEEPER.
NO. I WALKED THROUGH THE REAR AREA, THE I GUESS THE REAR DEN AREA AND THROUGH A FORMAL DINING ROOM AND THROUGH THE KITCHEN, OUT A SHORT HALLWAY, AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT WAS THE HOUSEMAID'S ROOM.
SHE WAS WITH ME MORE OR LESS IN THE FRONT. INITIALLY WHEN I ASKED THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSEMAID ROOM, SHE MORE OR LESS WALKED IN FRONT OF ME AND POINTED OUT THE WAY.
DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS ENGAGED IN A CONVERSATION WITH ARNELLE REGARDING CONTACTING I BELIEVE MR. SIMPSON'S SECRETARY, CATHY RANDA, AND ARNELLE GOT THE PHONE NUMBER FOR CATHY RANDA AND PHONED HER.
NOT AT THIS -- AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. I BELIEVE HE WAS IN THE REAR WITH FUHRMAN, THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE.
PEOPLE WERE MOVING ABOUT QUITE A BIT. I BELIEVE HE WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE BAR AND THE KITCHEN.
NOW, WHILE YOU WERE STANDING DOWNSTAIRS THERE IN THE DOWNSTAIRS AREA, DID YOU ENGAGE IN A SEARCH OF THE LOCATION?
I LOOKED AROUND TO SEE IF ANYTHING MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISTURBED OR IF ANYONE WAS IN NEED OF ANYTHING.
WE WERE TRYING TO CONTACT MR. SIMPSON. AT THAT POINT, WE HAD HAD INFORMATION THAT HE WAS PROBABLY OUT OF TOWN. AFTER CHECKING THE MAID'S QUARTERS, IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY PROBLEM IN THERE, SO I DIDN'T FEEL THAT THE MAID WAS NECESSARILY ON THE PREMISES.
I MORE OR LESS WALKED WITH ARNELLE, ATTEMPTED TO ESCORT HER AWAY FROM THE PHONE OUT TOWARDS THE SUN ROOM IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I HAD DETERMINED AT THAT POINT THAT I WAS GOING TO TELL HER WHAT HAD HAPPENED. SHE WAS VERY INQUISITIVE AND BECOMING MORE AND MORE UPSET. I KNEW THAT PHILLIPS WAS GOING TO BE TALKING TO MR. SIMPSON, EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND I FELT THIS WAS THE TIME THAT I SHOULD MAKE THIS NOTIFICATION ABOUT THE DEATH OF NICOLE SIMPSON.
SHE BECAME EXTREMELY UPSET, EXTREMELY UPSET. SHE CALMED DOWN AFTER A LITTLE BIT TO THE POINT WHERE SHE ASKED IF SHE COULD CALL HER DAD'S BEST FRIEND AND HAVE HIM COME OVER TO THE HOUSE, A MR. A.C. COWLINGS, AND IF SHE COULD MAKE THAT CALL TO MR. COWLINGS FROM HER ROOM, AND I STATED, "YES, GO AHEAD AND DO THAT."
DID YOU EVER ATTEMPT TO ASCERTAIN WHO ELSE -- WHO OTHER NEXT OF KIN MIGHT BE FOR NICOLE BROWN?
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT I DID. I ASKED IF SHE WOULD HAVE ANY NAMES OR TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF ANY RELATIVES OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON.
I MAY BE MISTAKEN. I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AFTER OR MIGHT -- I DON'T RECALL. IT WAS BEFORE OR RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA.
RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME. I DON'T RECALL. THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. THERE WERE A LOT OF EMOTIONS, PEOPLE MOVING IN AND OUT. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN THAT WAS. IT WAS JUST BEFORE SHE MADE THE CALL TO COWLINGS OR JUST AFTER.
OKAY. AND -- SO WHEN YOU ASKED FOR SOME IDENTIFICATION OF SOME OTHER NEXT OF KIN FOR NICOLE BROWN, DID SHE GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION?
YES. SHE STATED THAT THE BROWN FAMILY, NICOLE'S FAMILY RESIDED IN I BELIEVE DANA POINT AND THAT SHE HAD A PHONE NUMBER.
NOW, AT THAT POINT, DID YOU HAVE ANY IDENTIFICATION YET ON THE OTHER VICTIM AT THE CRIME SCENE, RON GOLDMAN?
BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU TELEPHONE RECORDS, SIR, FROM GTE -- FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE PHONE NUMBER THAT IS SHOWN AS THE NUMBER FOR WHICH THIS BILL IS ISSUED?
AND DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO THE ENTRY FOR JUNE THE 13TH AT 6:21 A.M., DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE PHONE NUMBER THAT FOLLOWS THERE?
NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THAT CALL, SIR -- FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S THE POLICY FOR LAPD WITH RESPECT TO THE PREFERRED METHOD OF NOTIFICATION OF NEXT OF KIN WHEN A HOMICIDE HAS OCCURRED OR A DEATH HAS OCCURRED?
I FELT THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE IMMENSE MEDIA ATTENTION AND THAT ONCE THE INFORMATION WERE TO GET OUT THAT NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON WAS THE VICTIM OF A MURDER, THAT THEY COULD FIND OUT THROUGH THE MEDIA WHAT HAD HAPPENED. AND WHILE THE WAY I DID IT WAS INSENSITIVE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE INSENSITIVE FOR THEM TO FIND OUT THEIR DAUGHTER WAS MURDERED OVER THE TELEVISION.
KEY QUOTESHORTLY AFTER I BEGAN TO SPEAK TO MR. BROWN, DENISE BROWN GOT ON THE APPARENTLY ANOTHER PHONE.
TOLD THEM WHO I WAS AND SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING TO DO THIS THIS WAY, BUT THAT THEIR DAUGHTER HAD BEEN KILLED.
DENISE BROWN BEGAN TO SCREAM OVER THE PHONE WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE HYSTERICALLY.
KEY QUOTEMR. COCHRAN: PERHAPS SAVE A VISIT TO SIDEBAR. (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.)
POSSIBLE SUSPECT.
I FELT THAT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE IMMENSE MEDIA ATTENTION AND THAT ONCE THE INFORMATION WERE TO GET OUT THAT NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON WAS THE VICTIM OF A MURDER, THAT THEY COULD FIND OUT THROUGH THE MEDIA WHAT HAD HAPPENED. AND WHILE THE WAY I DID IT WAS INSENSITIVE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE INSENSITIVE FOR THEM TO FIND OUT THEIR DAUGHTER WAS MURDERED OVER THE TELEVISION.
DENISE BROWN BEGAN TO SCREAM OVER THE PHONE WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE HYSTERICALLY.
SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING TO DO THIS THIS WAY, BUT THAT THEIR DAUGHTER HAD BEEN KILLED.