Marcia Clark conducts the direct examination of Detective Tom Lange, the lead homicide investigator, establishing his credentials and walking the jury through his initial arrival at Bundy at 4:25 AM on June 13th. Lange describes being guided through the crime scene by Detective Phillips, observing bloody shoeprints, blood droplets, a clean kitchen knife, burning candles, a melting Ben & Jerry's ice cream cup, and — from the landing above the victims — a dark leather glove, a blue knit cap, and a white envelope near Ron Goldman's feet. The proceeding ends abruptly as Clark moves to open a sealed evidence box and Cochran calls urgently for a sidebar to prevent it.
# 3 Q: DO PEOPLE ALSO CALL YOU FREDERICK?
# 4 A: THAT'S ONE OF MY NAMES. YES.
# 5 Q: I NEVER KNEW. ALL RIGHT, SIR. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TELL US, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT ASSIGNMENT?
# 6 A: I'M A POLICE DETECTIVE FOR THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES ASSIGNED TO ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION, HOMICIDE SPECIAL SECTION.
# 7 Q: CAN YOU TELL US HOW LONG YOU HAVE BEEN SO ASSIGNED?
# 8 A: I'VE BEEN WITH ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION SINCE NOVEMBER OF 1978. I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER SINCE 1967, OCTOBER.
# 9 Q: AND HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN A DETECTIVE?
# 10 A: BEEN A DETECTIVE APPROXIMATELY 21 YEARS.
# 11 Q: NOW, YOU'RE CURRENTLY A DETECTIVE, AREN'T YOU?
# 13 Q: YOU'RE A DETECTIVE WITH THE ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION. WERE YOU PREVIOUSLY A DETECTIVE BEFORE YOU WERE AT THE ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION?
# 15 Q: WHAT KIND OF DETECTIVE WERE YOU?
# 16 A: I WAS A JUVENILE DETECTIVE, A ROBBERY DETECTIVE AND A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.
# 17 Q: AND HOW LONG WERE YOU A ROBBERY DETECTIVE?
# 18 A: APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR.
# 19 Q: AND HOW LONG WERE YOU A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE BEFORE YOU WENT TO ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION?
# 20 A: APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS.
# 21 Q: NOW, IS ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION A DIFFERENT KIND OF SET OF DETECTIVES THAN THE REGULAR HOMICIDE DETECTIVE YOU WERE BEFORE?
# 22 A: YES. ROBBERY-HOMICIDE, HOMICIDE SPECIAL UNIT THAT I'M ASSIGNED TO TAKES USUALLY HIGH PRIORITY CASES OR CASES THAT CONSUME A GREAT DEAL OF TIME, VERY INVOLVED CASES SUCH AS SERIAL KILLINGS, HIGH-PUBLICITY TYPE CASES.
# 23 Q: NOW, WERE YOU -- CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, THEN WHAT IS IT -- WHAT ARE YOUR DUTIES SPECIFICALLY IN THE ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION AS A DETECTIVE?
# 24 A: WELL, I'M A HOMICIDE DETECTIVE. I INVESTIGATE HOMICIDES GENERALLY OF A HIGH PRIORITY NATURE, HIGH PROFILE NATURE, SERIAL KILLINGS. ADDITIONALLY, WE BACK UP THE 18 GEOGRAPHICAL DIVISIONS IN THE CITY WHEN THEIR WORKLOAD BECOMES SUCH THAT THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT.
# 25 Q: AND WHEN YOU SAY "CAN'T HANDLE IT," WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
# 26 A: WELL, WHEN THEY BECOME INUNDATED WITH A GREAT DEAL -- A GREAT NUMBER OF HOMICIDES. IF ONE PARTICULAR DIVISION WERE TO HAVE WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED AN INORDINATE NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN ONE WEEK, SAY 8, 10, 12, AND THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO HANDLE THOSE PROPERLY, THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY BE CALLED IN TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE.
# 27 Q: NOW, WHAT POINT WERE YOU ASSIGNED TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE?
# 28 A: I WAS NOTIFIED AT HOME AT 3:00 A.M., APPROXIMATELY 3:00 A.M. ON JUNE 13TH.
# 29 Q: AND AT WHAT TIME DID YOU ARRIVE AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?
# 30 A: AT APPROXIMATELY 4:25 A.M.
# 31 Q: CAN YOU TELL US WHERE EXACTLY AT THAT LOCATION YOU PARKED YOUR CAR?
# 32 A: YES. I PARKED ON BUNDY ON THE EAST SIDE OF BUNDY SOUTH OF DOROTHY.
# 33 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, EXHIBIT NO. 49.
# 34 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT, SIR. DO YOU SEE THE LOCATION DEPICTED ON THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE MONITOR RIGHT NOW?
# 36 Q: DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT LOCATION?
# 37 A: YES. IT APPEARS TO BE LOOKING AT A NORTHWESTERLY DIRECTION FROM DOROTHY TO THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY.
# 38 Q: CAN YOU LOCATE THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU PARKED YOUR CAR?
# 39 MR. COCHRAN: YOUR HONOR, I WOULD STIPULATE HE PARKED AT DOROTHY AND BUNDY AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
# 40 MS. CLARK: MAY I PLEASE EXAMINE THE WITNESS?
# 41 THE COURT: JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS WHERE HE PARKED HIS CAR IMPORTANT?
# 42 MS. CLARK: THE LOCATION OF ALL OF THE OFFICERS I THINK IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 43 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. PROCEED.
# 44 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU.
# 45 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU LOCATE WHERE YOU PARKED YOUR CAR IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 46 A: YES. IT WOULD BE THE LEFT OF THE PHOTOGRAPH ON BUNDY OFF OF THE PICTURE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPH.
# 47 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 50.
# 48 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU TELL US THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, YOUR HONOR? YOUR HONOR. DETECTIVE. THE COURT'S BEEN THERE.
# 49 THE COURT: I'VE BEEN THERE. I CAN TELL YOU.
# 50 MS. CLARK: YOU CAN TELL US.
# 51 DET. TOM LANGE: THIS IS LOOKING NORTHBOUND BUNDY AND THE -- DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE HERE I GUESS WOULD BE DOROTHY FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, AND THIS PHOTOGRAPH APPEARS TO BE TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOROTHY.
# 52 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ON -- AND IS IT ON BUNDY?
# 53 A: IT'S ON BUNDY, YES.
# 54 Q: WOULD YOU BE -- WOULD YOU HAVE PARKED YOUR CAR TO THE LEFT OF -- EXCUSE ME -- TO THE RIGHT OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH AS YOU FACE IT?
# 56 Q: NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 58 Q: DID YOU FIND IT IN THAT MANNER WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE AT 4:25?
# 60 Q: CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU EXAMINED THE CRIME SCENE TAPE AS IT WAS PLACED WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE?
# 61 A: IF I EXAMINED THE TAPE?
# 62 Q: YEAH. NOT WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS. THE PLACEMENT OF THE TAPE WHEN YOU ARRIVED THERE.
# 63 A: I OBSERVED THE PLACEMENT, YES.
# 64 Q: CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU MADE ANY DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER YOU WERE PLEASED WITH THE WAY IT WAS PLACED?
# 65 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. PLEASED? THAT IS IRRELEVANT AND IMMATERIAL.
# 66 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 67 DET. TOM LANGE: I WAS SATISFIED IN MY MIND THAT THE CRIME SCENE WAS INDEED SECURED BY WHAT I SAW, YES.
# 68 Q: BY MS. CLARK: SO AFTER YOU PARKED YOUR CAR, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 69 A: I APPROACHED THE INTERSECTION WALKING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION TO THE VICINITY OF THE BLACK AND WHITE THAT YOU SEE IN THE CENTER OF THE PHOTOGRAPH WHERE I WAS MET BY LIEUTENANT ROGERS, MY OFFICER IN CHARGE OF MY UNIT, AND DETECTIVE VANNATTER, DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN.
# 70 Q: DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, SIR?
# 72 Q: AND WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DID WHEN YOU GOT THERE?
# 73 A: WELL, AFTER APPROACHING DETECTIVE VANNATTER, UH, I WAS INTRODUCED TO DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN. DETECTIVE VANNATTER STATED TO ME THAT --
# 74 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THAT, WHAT HE SAID. HEARSAY.
# 75 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 76 Q: BY MS. CLARK: YOU SAID YOU WERE INTRODUCED TO DETECTIVES PHILLIPS AND FUHRMAN?
# 78 Q: YOU HAD NEVER MET THEM BEFORE?
# 80 Q: DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION THEN WITH DETECTIVE VANNATTER?
# 82 Q: AND BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION YOU HAD WITH HIM, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 83 A: I PROCEEDED WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TO THE -- UH, SOUTHBOUND ON BUNDY TO DOROTHY, WESTBOUND ON DOROTHY TO THE ALLEYWAY BEHIND UH, 875 SOUTH BUNDY. WE ENTERED THE ALLEYWAY AND APPROACHED THE REAR OF THE LOCATION. DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WAS GOING TO GIVE ME A WALK THROUGH OF THE CRIME SCENE.
# 85 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 38.
# 86 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 87 A: YES. THAT'S THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM DOROTHY TOWARDS 875 BUNDY, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE TO THE REAR OF THAT LOCATION.
# 88 Q: AND DO YOU SEE THE CRIME SCENE TAPE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 90 Q: IS THAT THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU FOUND IT WHEN YOU ARRIVED?
# 92 Q: WAS THERE ANYONE GUARDING THAT CRIME SCENE TAPE, THAT PERIMETER BOUNDARY?
# 93 A: YES. THERE WAS A UNIFORMED OFFICER AT THE ALLEYWAY.
# 94 Q: WHEN YOU GOT TO THAT CRIME SCENE TAPE WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS, DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION WITH THAT OFFICER THAT WAS GUARDING THE PERIMETER?
# 95 A: NO. I BELIEVE WE DISPLAYED OUR IDENTIFICATION AND WE WENT UNDERNEATH THE TAPE AND PROCEEDED UP THE ALLEY.
# 96 Q: AND BEFORE YOU DID THAT THOUGH, YOU SHOWED YOUR IDENTIFICATION TO HIM?
# 98 MR. COCHRAN: ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 99 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 100 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 101 A: WE APPROACHED THE REAR OF THE LOCATION, DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND I, AND BEGAN TO ENTER THE GARAGE THAT WAS OPEN AT THE REAR OF THAT LOCATION. AS WE DID SO, DETECTIVE PHILLIPS POINTED OUT A BLACK JEEP VEHICLE THAT WAS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY AND MENTIONING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THE VEHICLE BELONGED TO ONE OF THE VICTIMS WHO LIVED AT THE LOCATION.
# 102 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 71.
# 103 Q: BY MS. CLARK: SIR, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 104 A: YES. IT APPEARS TO BE THE BLACK JEEP THAT I SPOKE OF.
# 105 Q: AND THEN YOU INDICATED THERE WAS ANOTHER CAR?
# 106 A: YES. THERE WAS A FERRARI, WHITE FERRARI PARKED INSIDE THE GARAGE.
# 107 Q: AND YOU SEE THAT IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 109 Q: IS THIS THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU FOUND THESE VEHICLES WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE AT APPROXIMATELY 4:25?
# 111 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, MAY THIS NEXT PHOTOGRAPH BE MARKED PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, PEOPLE'S NO. 73?
# 112 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I SEE IT? MAY I SEE THIS PHOTOGRAPH?
# 116 (PEO'S 74 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 117 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 118 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 119 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 120 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 121 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 122 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: THIS IS PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 74, YOUR HONOR.
# 123 THE COURT: PEOPLE'S 74.
# 124 MS. CLARK: CAN YOU MAKE IT LIGHTER? LET'S PUT IT ON THE ELMO.
# 125 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, SIR?
# 126 A: YES. THAT'S THE WHITE FERRARI I MENTIONED PARKED IN THE GARAGE AND THAT'S THE REAR ENTRANCE, REAR DOOR OF THE LOCATION TO THE REAR OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY AND IT'S LOOKING IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION.
# 127 Q: OKAY. IS THIS THE PATH THAT YOU -- WELL, DID YOU GO INTO THE CONDOMINIUM THROUGH THE GARAGE, SIR?
# 128 A: YES. THIS IS THE PATHWAY THAT I ENTERED WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND ENTERED THE REAR (INDICATING).
# 129 Q: AND AT THE FRONT END OF THE FERRARI, WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A DOORWAY?
# 130 A: THAT'S THE DOORWAY THAT LEADS INTO THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE.
# 131 Q: IS THAT THE ONE YOU WALKED THROUGH, SIR?
# 133 Q: I SEE STAIRS NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING A CLOSE-UP VIEW. ARE THERE STAIRS WHEN YOU FIRST WALK IN?
# 135 Q: TELL US WHAT YOU SAW WHEN YOU WENT IN THROUGH THAT DOOR, SIR, WENT UP THE STAIRS.
# 136 A: I ENTERED UP THE STAIRS, AND TO THE LEFT WAS A BANISTER ON WHICH I OBSERVED A BEN AND JERRY'S ICE CREAM CUP. IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS. TO ME, IT APPEARED TO BE MELTED OR MELTING. I ASKED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS IF THAT HAD BEEN OBSERVED EARLIER. HE STATED --
KEY QUOTE # 137 MR. COCHRAN: HEARSAY.
# 138 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 139 Q: BY MS. CLARK: HE GAVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE OBSERVATIONS OF THE FIRST OFFICER ON THE SCENE?
# 141 Q: DID YOU OBSERVE WHAT KIND OF ICE CREAM THAT WAS?
# 143 Q: HAVE YOU SINCE ATTEMPTED TO DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF ICE CREAM THAT WAS?
# 146 A: I BELIEVE I HAVE.
# 147 MR. COCHRAN: HEARSAY WITHOUT FURTHER FOUNDATION.
# 148 THE COURT: OVERRULED AT THIS POINT. WHAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION?
# 149 MS. CLARK: THAT WAS IT.
# 150 THE COURT: "I BELIEVE I HAVE." ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
# 151 Q: BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU ASK -- DID YOU TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT OBSERVATION HAD BEEN WRITTEN DOWN OR DOCUMENTED IN ANY WAY?
# 153 Q: AND WHAT DID YOU DO IN THAT REGARD, SIR?
# 154 A: I REQUESTED OF DETECTIVE PHILLIPS THAT HE HAVE THE OFFICER THAT ORIGINALLY OBSERVED THE ICE CREAM TO DOCUMENT WHAT HE HAD OBSERVED IN HIS REPORT.
# 155 Q: WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 156 A: I PROCEEDED UP THE STAIRS BEHIND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS UH, TO THE FIRST LEVEL WHERE WE PROCEEDED UH, EAST THROUGH THE KITCHEN AREA, THROUGH THE DINETTE AREA TO A POINT WHERE UH, I WAS AT THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RESIDENCE. AS I BEGAN TO GO THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, I WAS STOPPED BY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WHO STATED TO ME --
# 157 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION. HEARSAY, YOUR HONOR. IT'S NONRESPONSIVE; ALSO HEARSAY.
# 158 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. NEXT QUESTION.
# 159 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TELL YOU SOMETHING, SIR?
# 161 Q: OKAY. BASED ON WHAT HE TOLD YOU, WHAT DID YOU DO?
# 162 A: I STEPPED THROUGH THE DOORWAY BEHIND HIM AND PROCEEDED EAST ALONG THE WALKWAY TO A POINT ABOVE THE TWO BODIES OF THE VICTIMS.
# 163 Q: NOW, BEFORE YOU DID THAT, SIR, DID YOU WALK THROUGH THE KITCHEN AREA?
# 165 Q: DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING? DID ANYTHING DRAW YOUR ATTENTION IN THE KITCHEN AREA?
# 166 A: YES. I OBSERVED A KITCHEN KNIFE UH, ON A COUNTER, KITCHEN COUNTER.
# 167 Q: AND AT SOME POINT, DID YOU CAUSE PHOTOGRAPHS TO BE TAKEN OF THAT?
# 169 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, MAY I DISPLAY THE PHOTOGRAPH, ASK THAT IT BE MARKED PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, PEOPLE'S 75?
# 170 MS. CLARK: IT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO COUNSEL.
# 171 THE COURT: PEOPLE'S 75.
# 172 (PEO'S 75 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 173 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU SEE HERE, SIR?
# 174 A: YES. THAT APPEARS TO BE THE KNIFE.
# 175 Q: THAT YOU WERE JUST DESCRIBING TO US?
# 177 Q: AND IS THAT IN THE LOCATION AND CONDITION WHICH YOU FOUND IT?
# 179 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, MAY I DISPLAY PHOTO, MAY IT BE MARKED NEXT IN ORDER, PEOPLE'S 76?
# 180 THE COURT: PEOPLE'S 76.
# 181 (PEO'S 76 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 182 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AGAIN, SIR, CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH?
# 183 A: YES. THAT'S A CLOSE-UP PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT KNIFE.
# 184 Q: AND IS THAT THE CONDITION -- IS THAT THE CONDITION AND THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU FOUND IT?
# 186 Q: CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER THE KNIFE LOOKED BLOODY TO YOU?
# 188 Q: HOW DID IT LOOK?
# 189 A: IT LOOKED CLEAN.
# 190 Q: NOW, AS OF THE AREA OF THE KITCHEN, THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU WALKED THROUGH, AT THAT POINT, DID YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF RANSACKING?
# 196 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION.
# 197 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOOD?
# 198 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 199 MR. COCHRAN: I THINK THAT THE OBJECTION THAT --
# 200 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION TO SPEAKING OBJECTIONS, YOUR HONOR.
# 201 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 202 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION, AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO EMBELLISH.
# 203 THE COURT: OVERRULED. THANK YOU.
# 204 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU.
# 205 Q: BY MS. CLARK: DID YOU SEE ANY BLOOD IN THE CONDOMINIUM, SIR, AT THAT POINT?
# 207 Q: OR BLOODY SHOEPRINTS?
# 209 Q: AS YOU WALKED OUT OF THE KITCHEN, DID YOU MAKE ANY OBSERVATION OF THE LIVING ROOM?
# 211 Q: AND WHAT WAS THAT?
# 213 Q: YEAH. WHAT WAS THE OBSERVATION YOU MADE OF THE LIVING ROOM?
# 214 A: THE LIVING ROOM WAS TO THE EAST UH, OF THE ENTRANCE, AND I OBSERVED UH, SEVERAL CANDLES ON THE LIVING ROOM TABLE BURNING OFF TO THE RIGHT. THE LIVING ROOM KIND OF SINKS DOWN OFF TO THE EAST OF THE LOCATION.
# 215 Q: AND THEN WHERE DID YOU GO?
# 216 A: PROCEEDED THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR WITH -- BEHIND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS.
# 217 Q: WAS THE FRONT DOOR OPEN OR CLOSED WHEN YOU GOT TO IT?
# 218 A: IT WAS WIDE OPEN.
# 219 Q: DID YOU RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION FROM DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AS TO WHAT POSITION THE DOOR WAS FOUND BY THE FIRST OFFICER ON THE SCENE?
# 220 MR. COCHRAN: HE CAN ANSWER THAT YES OR NO.
# 221 THE COURT: CORRECT. DID YOU RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION?
# 222 DET. TOM LANGE: YES, YOUR HONOR.
# 223 THE COURT: NEXT QUESTION.
# 224 Q: BY MS. CLARK: NOW, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY STEPPED OUTSIDE, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
# 226 Q: AND BEFORE YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE, DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS POINT ANYTHING OUT TO YOU?
# 228 Q: WHAT WAS IT HE POINTED OUT TO YOU BEFORE YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE DOOR?
# 229 A: HE STOPPED ME AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THE DOOR AND SAID, "BE VERY CAREFUL" --
# 230 MR. COCHRAN: JUST A MOMENT, OFFICER. HEARSAY, NONRESPONSIVE.
# 231 THE COURT: NONRESPONSIVE.
# 232 MS. CLARK: THAT'S NOT HEARSAY.
# 233 THE COURT: NONRESPONSIVE. WHAT HE POINTED OUT, NOT WHAT HE TOLD ME.
# 234 MS. CLARK: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 235 DET. TOM LANGE: HE POINTED OUT TO ME WHAT APPEARED TO ME TO BE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS.
# 236 Q: BY MS. CLARK: AND DID HE TELL YOU SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO THOSE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS?
# 237 A: YES. HE SAID THAT --
# 238 MR. COCHRAN: JUST A MOMENT. "YES" IS THE ANSWER.
# 239 THE COURT: CORRECT.
# 240 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT DID HE TELL YOU?
# 241 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION. HEARSAY.
# 242 MS. CLARK: IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OFFERED FOR THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER, YOUR HONOR.
# 243 MR. COCHRAN: THEN IT'S IRRELEVANT AND IMMATERIAL.
# 244 THE COURT: SOUNDS LIKE HEARSAY TO ME UNLESS YOU WANT TO EMBELLISH IT AT SIDEBAR.
# 245 MR. COCHRAN: NO. NO.
# 246 MS. CLARK: LET ME --
# 247 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 248 MR. COCHRAN: BASED UPON COUNSEL'S REPRESENTATION, I WILL WITHDRAW THE OBJECTION TO THE QUESTION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SIDEBAR.
# 249 MS. CLARK: THAT'S FINE.
# 250 THE COURT: THANK YOU.
# 251 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHAT DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS SAY TO YOU, SIR?
# 252 A: DETECTIVE PHILLIPS STATED TO ME THAT THERE WERE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS ON THE WALKWAY ALONG WITH BLOOD DROPLETS, TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHERE I STEPPED; AND AT THAT POINT, HE POINTED TOWARDS THEM FROM THE -- FROM RIGHT TO LEFT.
# 253 Q: OKAY. AND WERE YOU USING YOUR FLASHLIGHTS AT THAT POINT, SIR?
# 254 A: THERE WAS A PORCH LIGHT ON RIGHT ABOVE THE FRONT ENTRANCE. AT THAT POINT, NO. I HAD MY FLASHLIGHT WITH ME, BUT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT LIGHT AT THE DOORWAY WHERE I DIDN'T NEED ONE.
# 255 Q: OKAY. SO WAS THERE ENOUGH LIGHT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE, TO AVOID THE EVIDENCE?
# 257 Q: WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 258 A: I PROCEEDED BEHIND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS EASTBOUND ON THE WALKWAY TO A POINT ON THE STOOP UH, JUST ABOVE THE TWO VICTIMS.
# 259 Q: NOW, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU WENT -- WHEN YOU WALKED EAST -- DID YOU JUST SAY THAT YOU SAW BLOODY SHOEPRINTS?
# 260 A: I OBSERVED WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS AND I OBSERVED TWO SEPARATE WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD DROPS.
# 261 Q: NOW, IN WHAT LOCATION WAS THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FRONT DOOR AND THE BODIES OF THE VICTIMS?
# 262 A: IN REGARDS TO THE BLOOD DROPLETS?
# 264 A: AS ONE PROCEEDS EAST ALONG THE WALKWAY, THERE ARE I BELIEVE TWO STEPS GOING DOWN UH, JUST EAST OF THE DOORWAY, AND THERE WAS UH, A DROPLET MORE OR LESS IN THE CENTER OF THE WALKWAY JUST EAST OF THOSE TWO STEPS, AND AS ONE WOULD PROCEED EAST, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL DROPLET THAT APPEARED ON THE WALKWAY JUST NORTH OF THE -- NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE RESIDENCE. UNDERSTAND?
# 265 Q: I THINK SO. LET'S --
# 266 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 267 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: YOUR HONOR, CAN YOU CUT THE FEED FOR THIS PHOTO? THIS IS EXHIBIT 35.
# 268 MS. CLARK: OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT, JONATHAN.
# 269 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. YOU INDICATED YOU SAW THEN -- WERE THESE TWO BLOOD DROPLETS SEPARATE, SIR?
# 271 Q: AND YOU SAW A BLOODY SHOEPRINT WHERE IN RELATIONSHIP TO --
# 272 MR. COCHRAN: OBJECTION. ASKED AND ANSWERED.
# 273 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 274 Q: BY MS. CLARK: WHERE IN RELATION TO THOSE TWO BLOOD DROPS DID YOU SEE THE BLOODY SHOEPRINT YOU'VE INDICATED?
# 275 A: I SAW WHAT APPEARED TO BE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS MOVING WESTERLY. THE BLOOD DROPLETS WERE TO THE UH, SOUTH OVER TOWARDS THE BUILDING, THE SHOEPRINTS.
# 276 Q: AND THEN DID YOU -- DID YOU WALK TO ONE SIDE OF THAT EVIDENCE, SIR?
# 277 MR. COCHRAN: LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR. HE CAN TELL US WHERE HE WALKED. THAT'S LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE.
# 278 THE COURT: MILDLY LEADING. HOW DID YOU WALK?
# 279 Q: BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. WHERE DID YOU WALK?
# 280 A: I WALKED TO THE RIGHT AS YOU'RE GOING EAST OR TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THOSE SHOEPRINTS.
# 281 Q: AND DID YOU STOP AT SOME POINT?
# 282 A: YES. I STOPPED AT A POINT ON THE LANDING ABOVE THE TWO VICTIMS.
# 283 Q: NOW, WAS THAT YOUR FIRST VIEW OF THE CRIME SCENE, SIR?
# 285 Q: WAS DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WITH YOU?
# 287 Q: DID HE POINT OUT ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO ONE OF THE VICTIMS?
# 288 A: YES. HE -- YES, HE DID.
# 289 Q: NOW, DID YOU RECEIVE SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING THE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS?
# 291 Q: AND WHAT WAS THAT INFORMATION?
# 292 A: THAT THE VICTIM WAS BELIEVED TO BE NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON, THE FORMER WIFE OF O.J. SIMPSON.
# 293 MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. NOW, JONATHAN -- CAN YOU PLEASE CUT THE FEED, YOUR HONOR?
# 294 MR. FAIRTLOUGH: PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO --
# 296 Q: BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, SIR?
# 298 Q: AND TELL US HOW.
# 299 A: THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH LOOKING DOWN FROM MY APPROXIMATE POSITION THAT I TESTIFIED TO UH, IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION TOWARDS THE VICTIM SIMPSON.
# 300 Q: OKAY. AND IS THIS THE VIEW THAT YOU HAD FROM THE -- APPROXIMATELY FROM THE TOP OF THE LANDING WHERE YOU STOOD WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS?
# 302 Q: CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, IS THAT THE POSITION IN WHICH YOU SAW HER, MISS NICOLE BROWN, WHEN YOU APPEARED AT THE SCENE?
# 304 Q: AND FROM THAT POSITION, WERE YOU ALSO ABLE TO SEE THE BODY OF RON GOLDMAN?
# 306 Q: WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY EVIDENCE FROM THAT POSITION, SIR?
# 308 Q: AND WHAT WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE?
# 309 A: OBSERVED A WHITE ENVELOPE IN THE DIRT BETWEEN UH, THE TWO VICTIMS. I OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE A DARK BROWN OR BLACK LEATHER-APPEARING GLOVE UH, AND A -- WHAT WOULD BE A BLUE KNIT CAP IN THE DIRT AREA NEAR THE FEET OF UH, VICTIM GOLDMAN.
KEY QUOTE # 310 Q: NOW, THE LIGHTING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WHERE YOU SAW THAT EVIDENCE OF THE GLOVE AND THE CAP, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR US?
# 311 A: THERE WAS NO DIRECT LIGHTING ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA. UH, THERE WAS BASICALLY INDIRECT LIGHTING.
# 312 Q: WAS IT DARK IN THAT AREA?
# 314 Q: WITHOUT THE AID OF YOUR -- WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WERE YOU USING YOUR FLASHLIGHT TO SEE THE GLOVE AND THE CAP, SIR?
# 316 Q: WITHOUT THE AID OF YOUR FLASHLIGHT, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT EVIDENCE?
# 317 A: I COULD PROBABLY MAKE OUT A FORM, BUT I PERHAPS COULDN'T IDENTIFY WHAT IT WAS.
# 318 Q: WAS THERE A PLANT NEAR THAT EVIDENCE, SIR?
# 320 Q: AND WHERE WAS IT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT PLANT, THE EVIDENCE?
# 321 A: THE GLOVE AND THE KNIT CAP WERE BENEATH THE LEAVES OF THE PLANT.
# 322 Q: OKAY. WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT?
# 323 A: I PROCEEDED WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS WEST ON THE WALKWAY OBSERVING OTHER WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS MOVING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION BACK WEST TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR TO A POINT JUST BEFORE THE FRONT DOOR WHERE IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS DID A BIT OF A TURN-AROUND BACK EAST. I CONTINUED WALKING WESTERLY ON THE WALKWAY OBSERVING THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS THROUGH A SMALL GATE THAT LED TO A UH, STAIRWELL. THE UH, SHOEPRINTS LED DOWN THE STAIRWELL. ALONG THE WAY, I OBSERVED TWO OTHER WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE BLOOD DROPLETS TO THE LEFT OFF OR TO THE SOUTH OF THOSE UH, SHOEPRINTS. I PROCEEDED -- CONTINUED TO PROCEED WEST OR CORRECTION -- YES, WEST ON THE WALKWAY TOWARD A GATE WHERE I OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO ME TO BE ADDITIONAL BLOOD, PROCEEDED THROUGH THAT GATE THAT LED OUT INTO THE CARPORT AREA OF THE REAR ALLEY OF THE RESIDENCE WHERE I OBSERVED AN ADDITIONAL WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD DROPLET ON THE UH, DRIVEWAY JUST EAST OF THE ALLEY. AND THAT WOULD BE JUST NORTH OF THE BLACK JEEP THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
# 324 Q: NOW, YOU SAID THAT YOU SAW THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS AT ONE POINT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FRONT DOOR AS THEY PROCEEDED TOWARDS THE REAR ALLEY DO WHAT APPEARED ALMOST TO BE A TURN-AROUND. DID IT TURN COMPLETELY TO THE EAST?
# 325 A: I DON'T RECALL IT BEING A COMPLETE TURN AROUND. IT APPEARED TO BE A PARTIAL.
# 326 Q: AND WAS IT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR, SIR?
# 327 A: NO. I BELIEVE IT WAS EAST OF THE FRONT DOOR.
# 328 Q: SO IT WAS AT SOME POINT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FRONT DOOR IF YOU'RE PROCEEDING FROM THE BODIES TO THE REAR ALLEY?
# 329 A: THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION, YES.
# 330 Q: AND WERE THERE ANY BLOODY SHOEPRINTS THAT WERE ANGLED IN TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR?
# 332 Q: AT THE AREA OF THE FRONT DOOR, DID YOU SEE ANY BLOODY SHOEPRINTS AT ALL?
# 333 A: THE ONLY SHOEPRINTS I SAW, THEY WALKED -- APPEARED TO WALK RIGHT BY THE DOOR GOING WESTERLY ON THE WALKWAY.
KEY QUOTE # 335 A: RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR, YES.
# 336 Q: AND TOWARDS THE REAR GATE?
# 338 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU GOT TO THE REAR GATE, WAS IT OPEN OR CLOSED, SIR?
# 339 A: IT WAS UH, PARTIALLY OPEN, I'D SAY PERHAPS UH, HALF-WAY OR SO.
# 340 Q: CAN YOU RECALL AT THIS POINT WHETHER THE -- AT WHAT POINT THE SHOEPRINTS FADED OUT?
# 341 A: TO ME, THEY APPEARED TO FADE OUT AS THEY REACHED THE BOTTOM STEPS OF THE UH, STAIRWELL THAT I MENTIONED, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY MIDWAY BETWEEN THE FRONT AND REAR GATE.
# 342 Q: WHEN YOU GOT TO THE REAR GATE, DID DETECTIVE PHILLIPS POINT ANYTHING OUT TO YOU?
# 344 Q: AND WHAT WAS THAT?
# 345 A: POINTED OUT WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD TRANSFER OR SMEAR ON THE UPPER RUNG OF THE GATE AND WHAT APPEARED TO BE TWO DROPLETS OF BLOOD ON THE LOWER RUNG, LOWER INSIDE RUNG OF THE BOTTOM OF THE REAR GATE.
# 346 Q: AND YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THOSE, WERE YOU, SIR?
# 348 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU GOT OUT TO THE REAR DRIVEWAY, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU SAW THE BLOOD DROPLETS AND THE CHANGE IN THE REAR DRIVEWAY?
# 349 A: I DON'T BELIEVE I INDICATED CHANGE. I DID OBSERVE COINS AT THAT LOCATION; HOWEVER, OUT OF THE VICINITY OF WHAT APPEARED TO BE A BLOOD DROPLET.
# 350 Q: AND WHO POINTED THAT OUT TO YOU OR DID YOU SEE THAT ON YOUR OWN?
# 351 A: DETECTIVE PHILLIPS POINTED IT OUT.
# 352 Q: NOW, WHY WAS IT THAT YOU WERE GOING WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS? WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WALK BY YOURSELF?
# 353 A: THERE WAS EVIDENCE THROUGHOUT AND I CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT TO DESTROY EVIDENCE OR WALK IN THE WRONG PLACE. THESE THINGS NEEDED TO BE POINTED OUT TO ME SO THAT I WOULD KNOW WHERE TO STEP AS HE GUIDED ME ON A WALK THROUGH.
# 354 Q: IS THAT COMMON PROCEDURE, SIR?
# 356 MS. CLARK: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE HERE A BOX THAT APPEARS TO BE SEALED AT THIS TIME. FOR THE RECORD, I'M GOING TO BREAK THE SEAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING DETECTIVE LANGE IDENTIFY SOME EVIDENCE FOR US.
# 357 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT SCISSORS? DO YOU WANT A KNIFE OR SCISSORS?
# 359 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 360 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 361 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 362 MR. COCHRAN: COULD WE HAVE A CONFERENCE?
# 363 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 364 MR. COCHRAN: I THINK THERE'S A -- MAY I SAY SOMETHING? THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT -- ARE WE LEAVING AT 3:00 O'CLOCK TODAY? ARE WE QUITTING AT 3:00?
# 365 THE COURT: AS FAR AS THE JURY IS CONCERNED, YES.
# 366 MR. COCHRAN: THERE'S PROBABLY A NEED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH THE COURT REGARDING THIS EVIDENCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE I THINK, YOUR HONOR.
# 367 MS. CLARK: BEFORE I DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THE EVIDENCE AND SHOW IT TO THE WITNESS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AT SIDEBAR.
# 368 MR. COCHRAN: I THINK THERE MAY BE A NEED TO TALK TO YOU BEFORE THAT IS DONE.
# 369 THE COURT: LET ME SEE COUNSEL OVER AT SIDEBAR.
# 370 MS. CLARK: WHY IS COUNSEL TRYING TO GET US TO STOP INTRODUCING THE EVIDENCE?
KEY QUOTE # 371 THE COURT: WAIT, WAIT. COME ON OVER HERE WITH THE COURT REPORTER, PLEASE.