Johnnie Cochran continues his cross-examination of first-responding Officer Riske, methodically cataloguing failures to preserve evidence at the Bundy crime scene. Cochran establishes that the Akita's blood-stained paws were never examined or preserved, no interior photographs were taken, the Jeep was never dusted or inspected, and Fuhrman entered the small enclosure where Goldman's body was found without shoe coverings or gloves. The examination paints a picture of a compromised crime scene from the earliest hours.
# 1 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU VERY KINDLY. GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
# 2 THE JURY: GOOD MORNING.
# 3 CROSS-EXAMINATION (RESUMED)
# 5 Q: GOOD MORNING, OFFICER RISKE?
# 6 A: GOOD MORNING, SIR.
# 7 Q: WITH REGARD TO THE DOG, YOU SAW THIS AKITA DOG WHILE YOU WERE OUT THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 9 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE DOG THAT PARTICULAR MORNING?
# 10 A: IT WAS TAKEN TO ANIMAL REGULATIONS.
# 11 Q: WAS THAT WHILE YOU WERE THERE?
# 13 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW WHO SPECIFICALLY THAT DOG WAS TURNED OVER TO AT ANIMAL REGULATIONS?
# 15 Q: THAT IS A CITY AGENCY, IS IT NOT?
# 17 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANYONE AT ANY TIME EXAMINED THAT ANIMAL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD BIT ANYONE THAT NIGHT?
# 19 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT ANYTHING WAS DONE TO PRESERVE THIS BLOOD THAT WE HAVE HEARD WAS ON THE DOG'S PAWS AND HIND LEGS?
# 21 Q: WERE YOU AT THE SCENE WHEN THIS ANIMAL WAS TURNED OVER TO SOMEONE AT ANIMAL REGULATIONS?
# 23 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME THAT WAS DONE?
# 24 A: OFFICER GLORIOSO AND HIS PARTNER TOOK THE DOG. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THEY LEFT.
# 25 Q: SO THEY TOOK THE DOG AT THE SCENE?
# 27 Q: THEY THEN TOOK HIM TO SOME OTHER LOCATION?
# 29 Q: IN THEIR POLICE CAR?
# 31 Q: HAVE YOU SEEN ANY REPORTS OF WHAT THEY DID WITH THE DOG AND WHO THEY TURNED THE DOG OVER TO?
# 33 Q: WHAT WAS GLORIOSO'S PARTNER'S NAME, SIR, IF YOU RECALL?
# 34 A: I BELIEVE HIS PARTNER WAS OFFICER ZEIGLER.
# 36 A: I BELIEVE. I'M NOT POSITIVE.
# 37 Q: OKAY. NOW, TURNING OUR ATTENTION BACK TO THE INTERIOR OF 875 BUNDY, AT ANY TIME -- BEFORE WE GET TO THE INTERIOR, AT ANY TIME THAT MORNING DID YOU EVER GO TO 873, THE UNIT JUST TO THE -- THE SIDE OF 875? DID YOU GO TOWARD DOROTHY STREET? DID YOU EVER GO OVER THERE AND KNOCK ON THAT DOOR AND TRY TO ROUSE ANYBODY THERE?
# 38 A: TOWARD DOROTHY WOULD BE 877.
# 39 Q: 877. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 877 AS OPPOSED TO 873 WHICH WOULD BE --
# 40 A: NO. I KNOW THERE WAS A DOOR KNOCK BUT I DIDN'T DO IT PERSONALLY, NO.
# 41 Q: SOMEBODY DID GO KNOCK ON THAT DOOR?
# 43 Q: DID YOU EVER GO TO THE HOUSE THAT IS ON THE CORNER OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY?
# 45 Q: YOU DID NOT DO THAT YOURSELF?
# 47 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE INTERIOR OF BUNDY, WAS ANYONE IN CHARGE OF LOOKING AT THE ITEMS OR EXAMINING ANY ITEMS INSIDE THE INTERIOR OF BUNDY?
# 48 A: I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
# 49 Q: WE KNOW THAT YOU WERE THE FIRST OFFICER WHO WENT INSIDE THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 51 Q: AND IN THE COURSE OF YOUR SEARCH FOR EVIDENCE DID YOU EVER LOOK AT THE -- LOOK IN THE TRASH CANS INSIDE THE BUNDY LOCATION?
# 52 A: MY PURPOSE FOR BEING IN THE HOUSE WASN'T TO SEARCH FOR EVIDENCE. MY PURPOSE FOR BEING IN THE HOUSE WASN'T TO SEARCH FOR EVIDENCE, SIR.
# 53 Q: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU TOLD US AT SOME POINT YOU SEARCHED IN THE TRASH CANS OUTSIDE AND AROUND. REMEMBER THAT? AND I WAS JUST ASKING DID YOU EVER SEARCH ANY OF THE TRASH CANS INSIDE OF BUNDY?
# 55 Q: DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OTHER OFFICER DID AT ALL?
# 57 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE INTERIOR LOCATION, SO THAT I'M CLEAR, WE HAD A JURY VIEW ON SUNDAY SO THAT THINGS MAY BE A LITTLE CLEARER, IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THIS, WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU SAW THIS ICE CREAM CUP ON THIS BANISTER ON JUNE 13 IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS?
# 58 A: BETWEEN 12:30, 12:40 IN THE MORNING.
# 59 Q: 12:30 TO 12:40? AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, THIS ICE CREAM CUP WAS ON THE BANISTER AS YOU GO DOWN THE STEPS AND GOING OUT TO THE GARAGE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 61 Q: DID YOU EVER LIFT THAT ICE CREAM CUP UP?
# 63 Q: COULD YOU TELL FROM THE CONDITION OF THAT MELTING ICE CREAM, AS YOU HAVE DESCRIBED IT, WHAT WAS THE FLAVOR OF THE ICE CREAM?
# 65 Q: CAN YOU TELL WHETHER IT WAS ONE SCOOP OR TWO SCOOPS OR WHATEVER?
# 66 A: NO, I HAVE NO IDEA.
# 67 Q: DID YOU EVER HAVE OCCASION TO LIFT THE CONTAINER UP?
# 69 Q: SO YOU NEVER SAW UNDER IT AS TO WHETHER IT LEFT A RING OR ANYTHING?
# 71 Q: YOU NEVER DID THAT?
# 73 Q: HOW MANY OFFICERS, IN ADDITION TO YOU THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF, SAW THE MELTING ICE CREAM CUP THERE ON THAT BANISTER AS YOU ARE GOING OUT THE BACK THERE?
# 74 A: INCLUDING THE EXECUTIVES?
# 75 Q: YES, EVERYBODY THAT YOU KNOW WHO SAW IT THAT YOU POINTED IT OUT TO.
# 76 A: FIVE. I DON'T KNOW.
# 77 Q: ALL RIGHT. TELL US WHO THOSE FIVE WOULD BE, SIR.
# 78 A: OFFICER WALLEY, DETECTIVES FUHRMAN AND PHILLIPS AND VANNATTER AND LANGE.
KEY QUOTE # 79 Q: ALL RIGHT. SO ALL FOUR OF THE DETECTIVES, WALLEY AND YOURSELF?
# 81 Q: SO THAT WOULD BE SIX ALTOGETHER?
# 83 Q: AND WHEN YOU LAST SAW THIS MELTING ICE CREAM, IT WAS STILL ON THIS BANISTER; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 85 Q: WITH THE SPOON HAVING FALLEN DOWN ON THE GROUND RIGHT BELOW IT; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 87 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO -- WHILE WE ARE IN THAT BACK PART OF THE HOUSE, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THE OTHER DAY THAT THE JEEP WAS OUTSIDE THE RESIDENCE WHEN YOU ARRIVED THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 89 Q: AND THAT THE RIGHT PASSENGER DOOR -- THAT IS THE RIGHT FRONT PASSENGER DOOR OF THAT JEEP WAS OPENED?
# 91 Q: AND IN AN OPENED CONDITION OF THAT RIGHT FRONT PASSENGER DOOR, WOULD THERE BE AN INTERIOR LIGHT ON?
# 92 A: THE DOOR WAS AJAR. I DON'T REMEMBER IF THE LIGHT WAS ON OR NOT.
# 93 Q: SO YOU CAN'T TELL US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?
# 95 Q: BUT THE DOOR WAS AJAR?
# 97 Q: SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WALK OVER TO THAT DOOR, COULD YOU JUST OPEN IT?
# 99 Q: WAS IT LOCKED AND AJAR OR WAS IT -- DID YOU TRY TO OPEN IT?
# 100 A: IT WAS -- I DIDN'T TRY TO OPEN IT, BUT IT WAS -- IT WAS CLOSED, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY. IT WAS LOCKED, BUT YOU COULDN'T OPEN IT, BUT IT WASN'T CLOSED ALL THE WAY.
# 101 Q: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS LOCKED?
# 102 A: NO. IT WAS CLOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LOCKED.
# 103 Q: IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DIDN'T TRY TO GET INSIDE THERE?
# 105 Q: LOOK TO SEE IF ANYTHING WAS INSIDE THERE?
# 107 Q: DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THE OFFICERS THERE LOOKED INSIDE THE JEEP THAT MORNING?
# 109 Q: YOU CAN TELL US THE DOOR WAS AJAR?
# 111 Q: AND NOBODY EVER TRIED IT, RIGHT?
# 113 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION, OBJECTION. THAT IS NOT HIS TESTIMONY, THAT NOBODY EVER TRIED IT.
# 114 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: NOBODY THAT YOU KNOW OF TRIED IT; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 116 Q: THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. ALL RIGHT. NOW, SIR, WITH REGARD TO THIS, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THE OTHER DAY, I BELIEVE, THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A DIME AND A PENNY IN THIS DRIVEWAY NORTH OF THE JEEP?
# 117 A: I DIDN'T SAY THAT, SIR. I SAID THERE WAS CHANGE.
# 118 Q: CHANGE? OKAY. DO YOU RECALL WHAT THE DENOMINATION OF THE CHANGE WAS?
# 120 Q: DO YOU RECALL THERE WAS TWO DIMES AND TWO PENNIES OUT THERE?
# 122 Q: YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. DO YOU RECALL IF THERE WAS MORE THAN TWO PIECES OF CHANGE THERE?
# 123 A: NO. I DON'T KNOW.
# 124 Q: YOU DON'T RECALL?
# 126 Q: HAVE YOU SEEN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS --
# 128 Q: -- OF THIS SINCE THAT HAPPENED?
# 129 A: WELL, PHOTOGRAPHS UP HERE.
# 130 Q: YOU SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE?
# 132 Q: AND THE OTHER DAY WE HAD A PHOTOGRAPH OF A DIME AND A PENNY, I THINK.
# 133 A: I BELIEVE SO, YES.
# 134 Q: AND DO YOU RECALL IF THERE WAS MORE CHANGE THAN THAT THERE?
# 136 Q: HAVE YOU SEEN THE POLICE REPORTS IN THAT MATTER THAT HAVE INDICATED THERE WERE TWO DIMES AND TWO PENNIES?
# 138 Q: DO YOU RECALL SEEING A SMALL BLUE GLASS HEART OR SOMETHING ON THAT -- ON THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT TIRE OF THAT JEEP?
# 140 Q: YOU DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT?
# 142 Q: ALSO, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT THIS PHOTOGRAPHER WAS TAKING PICTURES OF THE BACK AREA. WAS THAT PART OF THE AREA THEY WERE TAKING PICTURES OF WHERE THE CHANGE WAS AND WHERE THIS HEART MIGHT BE?
# 143 A: HE WAS TAKING PICTURES OF THE ALLEY AND THE RESIDENCE WHEN I WAS THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER HIM TAKING ANY PICTURES OF ANY EVIDENCE.
# 144 Q: WHILE YOU WERE THERE DID YOU EVER SEE ANY POLICE OFFICERS DUST THIS JEEP AT ALL FOR ANY PRINTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE?
# 146 Q: DID YOU SEE ANY CRIMINALIST, WHILE YOU WERE THERE, LOOK IN THE ALLEYWAY FOR ANY TRACK MARKS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE?
# 148 Q: YOU NEVER SAW THAT DONE WHILE YOU WERE THERE?
# 150 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE OTHER PART OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US LAST WEEK HOW YOU WALKED KIND OF IN THE PLANT AREA SO YOU WOULDN'T WALK THROUGH THE BLOOD. AND DID YOU GET YOUR SHOES MUDDY, DIRTY DOING THAT?
# 151 A: I DON'T THINK SO, NO.
# 152 Q: WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE THE HOUSE, DID YOU TRACK ANY MUD OR DIRT INSIDE?
# 154 Q: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
# 156 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE TO USE THIS PHONE TO CALL YOUR SUPERIOR, DO YOU RECALL THAT?
# 158 Q: YOU TOLD US THAT YOU SAW THIS ENVELOPE WITH MR. SIMPSON'S NAME ON IT, RETURN ADDRESS?
# 160 Q: DID YOU KEEP THAT ENVELOPE?
# 162 Q: AND WHEN YOU DESCRIBED THAT MR. SIMPSON TO YOUR MIND AT THAT POINT WAS SOMEHOW INVOLVED FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, BASED UPON THAT ENVELOPE IS WHAT YOU SAW; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 164 Q: NOW, WHEN YOU WENT UPSTAIRS YOU DESCRIBED FOR US SOME CANDLES. I THINK YOU DESCRIBED THREE CANDLES THAT YOU RECALL THAT WERE LIT; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 165 A: I BELIEVE THERE WAS THREE, YES.
# 166 Q: DO YOU RECALL ANY MORE BEING LIT?
# 170 Q: AND WHERE WERE THOSE THREE?
# 171 A: THEY WOULD BE TO THE WEST THE BATHTUB ON THE COUNTER.
# 172 Q: WEST OF THE BATHTUB AND THAT IS THE BATHTUB IN THE MASTER BEDROOM?
# 174 Q: AND IS THAT THE BATHTUB THAT HAD THIS WATER IN IT?
# 176 Q: AND I MAY HAVE ASKED YOU THIS, BUT WOULD ALLOW ME IF I ASK YOU AGAIN. DID YOU EVER TOUCH THAT WATER?
# 178 Q: YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS HOT OR COLD?
# 180 Q: DID IT SEEM AS THOUGH SOMEBODY HAD ALREADY TAKEN A BATH?
# 181 A: I COULDN'T TELL.
# 182 Q: DIDN'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO IT?
# 184 Q: THE CANDLES WERE AROUND THE TUB?
# 186 Q: TO THE REAR OF THE TUB?
# 188 Q: WERE THERE OTHER LIGHTS ON UPSTAIRS ALSO WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE?
# 189 A: I BELIEVE THERE WAS A TABLE LAMP IN THE MASTER BATH -- I MEAN IN THE MASTER BEDROOM, I'M SORRY, AND THE HALL LIGHT WAS ON.
# 190 Q: ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU -- AS YOU ARE WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE, DID YOU SEE ANY -- ANY ICE BUCKETS WITH ANY ICE THEREIN OR ANY CHILLED WINE AS THOUGH SOMEBODY MIGHT BE EXPECTING A GUEST?
# 191 A: NOT THAT I RECALL, NO.
# 192 Q: YOU DON'T RECALL? IN THE TWO ROOMS WHERE YOU FOUND THE SLEEPING CHILDREN, I ASSUME THOSE LIGHTS WERE OFF IN THOSE PARTICULAR ROOMS?
# 194 Q: DID YOU SEE -- DID YOU LOOK THROUGH ANY OF THE CLOSETS WHILE YOU WERE THERE, THE CLOTHES CLOSETS?
# 195 A: JUST FOR SUSPECTS. NOT A THOROUGH SEARCH, NO.
# 196 Q: YOU DIDN'T LOOK FOR ANY PARTICULAR CLOTHES OR TAKE ANY CLOTHES OR ANYTHING?
# 198 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE BEDROOM, IN THAT MASTER BEDROOM, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT THE CLOTHING OR THE BED CLOTHING WAS KIND OF PILED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BED AS THOUGH SOMEBODY HAD BEEN IN BED OR IT HADN'T BEEN MADE UP; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 200 Q: DID IT APPEAR TO YOU THAT THE OCCUPANT OF THAT HOUSE HAD BEEN EXPECTING SOMEONE TO COME IN, TO COME THERE?
# 201 A: I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I COULDN'T TELL.
# 202 Q: YOU COULDN'T TELL? WAS THERE ANY MUSIC ON INSIDE THE HOUSE WHEN YOU CAME IN OR T.V. ON AT ALL?
# 203 A: THERE WAS MUSIC.
# 204 Q: THERE WAS MUSIC ON. AND CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THIS MUSIC WAS COMING FROM, SIR?
# 205 A: FROM THE LIVING ROOM JUST AS YOU ENTER THE FRONT DOOR.
# 206 Q: COULD YOU TELL WHAT IT WAS? DID YOU TURN IT OFF AT SOME POINT?
# 207 A: NO. I DIDN'T TOUCH THE STEREO, NO.
# 208 Q: IT WAS COMING FROM A STEREO?
# 210 Q: COULD YOU TELL WHETHER IT WAS A CD OR A TAPE OR WHATEVER?
# 212 Q: WHAT KIND OF MUSIC WAS IT?
# 213 A: JUST LIGHT. I DON'T KNOW.
# 215 A: IT WASN'T ROCK, IT WASN'T COUNTRY; JUST LIGHT, LIKE MAYBE CLASSICAL OR JAZZ.
KEY QUOTE # 216 Q: OKAY. SOMETHING LIGHT?
# 218 Q: IT WAS PLAYING WHEN YOU FIRST WENT IN THE HOUSE?
# 220 Q: THE SHOES THAT YOU WERE WEARING THIS NIGHT, DO YOU ALWAYS WEAR THOSE SAME SHOES OR DO YOU OWN MORE THAN ONE PAIR OF SHOES?
# 221 A: I HAVE MORE THAN ONE PAIR.
# 222 Q: HOW MANY PAIR DID YOU HAVE BACK IN JUNE?
# 224 Q: IS THAT FAIRLY NORMAL AMONG PATROLMEN?
# 226 Q: LAPD? TWO PAIR OF SHOES?
# 227 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 228 Q: HOW DO YOU DETERMINE? YOU WEAR ONE -- DOES IT DEPEND WHETHER THEY ARE SHINED OR DO YOU JUST WEAR THEM UNTIL THEY WEAR OUT?
# 229 A: I USUALLY WEAR THE SAME PAIR UNTIL IT RAINS AND THEY GET SOAKED AND THEN I CHANGE UNTIL THEY DRY OUT.
# 230 Q: SO THEN YOU HAVE A SECOND PAIR?
# 232 Q: NOW, YOU TOLD US THERE WAS MUSIC ON. DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT YOU -- THERE WAS A TELEVISION ON AT ALL, THAT YOU RECALL?
# 233 A: THERE WAS A TELEVISION ON IN THE MASTER BEDROOM.
# 234 Q: OKAY. AND IT WAS ON?
# 236 Q: AND AGAIN, DID YOU -- YOU JUST LEFT THAT ON?
# 237 A: JUST LEFT IT ON.
# 238 Q: YOU LEFT EVERYTHING ON?
# 240 Q: LEFT EVERYTHING ON THAT WAS ON?
# 242 Q: THE STEREO AND THE T.V.?
# 244 Q: YOU LEFT THE BATH WATER IN THE TUB?
# 246 Q: YOU LEFT THE ICE CREAM MELTING? YOU DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING?
# 247 A: I DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING.
KEY QUOTE # 248 Q: SO THAT WE ARE CLEAR, WHILE YOU WERE THERE THE PHOTOGRAPHER NEVER CAME INSIDE AND TOOK THINK PICTURES OF ANYTHING INSIDE THAT PLACE, RIGHT?
# 249 A: NOT THAT I WAS AWARE OF, NO.
# 250 Q: YOU NEVER INSTRUCTED HIM TO DO THAT?
# 252 Q: AND IN YOUR PRESENCE YOU NEVER HEARD EITHER PHILLIPS OR FUHRMAN OR LANGE OR VANNATTER INSTRUCT THE PHOTOGRAPHER TO TAKE ANY PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR?
# 254 Q: DID THE -- ANY MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA ARRIVE AT THAT SCENE AT SOME TIME THAT MORNING?
# 255 A: NOT WHILE I WAS THERE, NO.
# 256 Q: EVEN WHEN YOU WERE OUT IN THE BACK OR THE FRONT, YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF THE PRESENCE OF ANYONE FROM THE MEDIA AT THE TIME YOU LEFT AT ABOUT 7:15?
# 257 A: THERE WAS NO MEDIA.
# 258 Q: OKAY. WE TALKED LAST WEEK ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE DETECTIVES LEFT TO GO OVER TO THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE. DO YOU RECALL THAT?
# 259 A: I REMEMBER SPEAKING OF IT.
# 260 Q: WHAT TIME DID THEY LEAVE?
# 261 A: I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
# 262 Q: YOU TOLD US THEY WERE GONE ABOUT AN HOUR?
# 263 A: HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF.
# 264 Q: YOU THOUGHT THEY GOT BACK ABOUT WHAT TIME?
# 265 A: BETWEEN 6:30, 6:45.
# 266 Q: 6:30, 6:45. SO THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT-- IF THEY WERE GONE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT ABOUT 5:00, WOULD THAT BE FAIR?
# 267 A: 5:15, 5:30. I DON'T REMEMBER.
# 268 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME THE SUN CAME UP THAT MORNING IN JUNE?
# 270 Q: SO SOMEWHERE AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF AFTER THEY WERE GONE OUT OF YOUR PRESENCE?
# 271 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 272 Q: WHEN THEY LEFT, WHEN ALL FOUR DETECTIVES LEFT, THE THREE WHO WERE NOW IN CHANGE OF THAT SCENE, WHO WAS IN CHARGE AT THE SCENE AT ROCKINGHAM?
# 275 A: EITHER SERGEANT ROSSI OR SERGEANT COON.
# 276 Q: THEY WERE BOTH SERGEANTS, SO DID YOU HEAR SOME CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE DETECTIVES WHO WERE NOW LEAVING THE SCENE WHERE THE BODIES WERE TO GO TO SOMEPLACE ELSE?
# 278 Q: AND IT WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE -- ALL FOUR OF THESE DETECTIVES WERE LEAVING TO GO TO ROCKINGHAM TO NOTIFY MR. SIMPSON?
# 279 A: I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE GOING.
# 280 Q: THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU?
# 282 Q: ARE YOU AWARE OF THE LAPD POLICY WITH REGARD TO THE NOTIFICATION OF THE NEXT OF KIN, WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS ABOUT THAT?
# 284 Q: YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT?
# 286 Q: YOU WEREN'T AWARE THEN AND YOU ARE NOT AWARE NOW?
# 288 Q: OKAY. DID YOU EVER HEAR ANYBODY DISCUSS NOTIFYING EITHER THE BROWN FAMILY OR THE GOLDMAN FAMILIES REGARDING THESE TRAGIC DEATHS?
# 290 Q: DID YOU NOTICE AS YOU HAD OCCASION TO WALK THIS LONG WALKWAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY THAT YOU DESCRIBED MAYBE AS BEING 120, 130 FEET, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FRONT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK ALLEYWAY, DID YOU NOTICE THAT THERE WERE SOME TREES THAT TENDED TO DROP SOME KIND OF BERRIES OR WHATEVER THAT TENDED TO STAIN THAT SIDEWALK? DID YOU NOTICE THAT?
# 291 A: I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT, NO.
# 292 Q: YOU DIDN'T -- DID YOU EVER WALK BACK THERE WHEN IT WAS LIGHT?
# 294 Q: SO WHEN YOU WERE BACK THERE YOU ONLY HAD THE AID OF A FLASHLIGHT AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT WHEN IT WAS LIGHT, RIGHT?
# 297 A: ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS, BUT YES.
KEY QUOTE # 298 Q: THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING BOTH. YES, YES. OKAY? YOU NEVER SAW ANY BERRIES DEPOSITED ON THAT WALKWAY DURING THE LIGHT HOURS; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 300 Q: YOU NEVER WENT OVER TO ROCKINGHAM?
# 301 A: I WENT LATER IN THE EVENING.
# 302 Q: LATER ON THAT DAY?
# 303 A: THAT'S CORRECT, JUST FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
# 304 Q: OKAY. DID YOU EVER GO INSIDE THE PROPERTY?
# 305 A: NO. I WENT AFTER IT WAS DONE BEING A CRIME SCENE.
# 306 Q: ALL RIGHT. WHAT TIME DID YOU GET OVER TO ROCKINGHAM?
# 307 A: 11:15, 11:30 P.M.
# 311 A: IT WAS EITHER THE 13TH OR THE 14TH.
# 312 Q: ONE OF THOSE TWO?
# 314 Q: BUT YOU NEVER WENT INSIDE THE PROPERTY?
# 316 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS AREA WHERE YOU SAW THESE BODIES THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED FOR US, YOU HAD OCCASION, DID YOU NOT, TO OBSERVE THE BODY OF THE FEMALE VICTIM?
# 318 Q: DO YOU RECALL SEEING BLOOD SPOTS ON THE BACK OF THE FEMALE VICTIM, MRS. SIMPSON?
# 319 A: I REALLY DON'T KNOW, NO.
# 320 Q: IF YOU WERE TO SEE A PICTURE OF THAT, WOULD THAT -- PERHAPS THAT WOULD REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION?
# 321 A: MAYBE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THEM.
# 322 MR. COCHRAN: MAY I HAVE JUST A SECOND, YOUR HONOR? YOUR HONOR, CAN WE CUT THE FEED? I WANT TO ASK HIM WITH REGARD --
# 323 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE DIRECTED NOT TO ATTEMPT TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SCENE ON THE SCREEN.
# 324 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.) # 325 MR. COCHRAN: THIS IS 1012.
# 326 (DEFT'S 1012 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPH) # 327 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU SEE THOSE BLOOD SPOTS THAT APPEAR ON THE BACK THERE?
# 329 Q: DO YOU RECALL SEEING THOSE -- THE BODY IN THAT CONDITION THAT NIGHT, THOSE SPOTS?
# 331 Q: DID YOU EVER TELL THE PHOTOGRAPHER OR DIRECT HIM TO TAKE ANY PICTURES OF THAT -- OF THE BACK AS IT APPEARED THERE?
# 333 MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN. THANK YOU.
# 334 Q: NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS AREA, A VERY SMALL AREA WHERE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS FOUND, HE WAS LYING SOMEWHERE AGAINST THE TREE RIGHT IN THAT FRONT AREA; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 336 Q: AND YOU DESCRIBED THAT AREA AS BEING ABOUT HOW WIDE? GIVEN THE TREE AS THE BACKSTOP, HOW FAR WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS FROM THAT TREE TO THAT FRONT GATE AND FROM THE GATE TO THE WAY YOU WOULD ENTER THAT PLACE?
# 337 A: I WOULD ESTIMATE 10-BY-6 OR SMALLER.
# 338 Q: 10-BY-6 OR SMALLER?
# 340 Q: YEAH. WITH REGARD TO THAT AREA, WHILE YOU WERE THERE, NOW YOU SAW IN ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN, YOU SAW HIS SHOES AND FOOTPRINT IN THERE WHEN HE WAS POINTING AT SOMETHING UNDER SOME OF THE FOLIAGE. YOU RECALL THAT, RIGHT, THAT ONE PICTURE?
# 341 THE COURT: I THINK THAT -- I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY TESTIMONY THAT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S FOOTPRINTS WERE AT THE SCENE.
# 342 MR. COCHRAN: LET ME REPHRASE IT, YOUR HONOR.
# 343 Q: YOU SAW A PHOTOGRAPH, DID YOU NOT, OF A DETECTIVE OR SOME INDIVIDUAL IN A SHIRT AND SOME PANTS POINTING DOWN AT -- TOWARD THE FOLIAGE. DO YOU RECALL THAT?
# 345 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS?
# 346 A: DETECTIVE FUHRMAN.
# 347 Q: AND DID YOU SEE THAT PERSON'S SHOE ALSO?
# 349 Q: AND THE SHOE WAS UNCOVERED? IT HAD NO BOOTIES OR ANYTHING ON THAT SHOE, DID IT?
# 351 Q: HE HAD NOTHING ON HIS HAND EITHER, DID HE?
# 353 Q: AND THAT WAS -- THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN IN THAT AREA, THIS SMALL AREA THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHERE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS FOUND; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 355 Q: AND WHILE YOU WERE THERE DID YOU EVER SEE ANYONE TAKE OR SEEK TO PRESERVE ANY SHOEPRINTS THAT WERE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IF ANY?
# 356 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION, VAGUE. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WHAT, BREAK UP THE CONCRETE?
# 357 MR. COCHRAN: IF HE UNDERSTANDS THE QUESTION.
# 358 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 359 MR. COCHRAN: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 360 OFF. ROBERT RISKE: NO, I DIDN'T.
# 361 Q: BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU DID NOT SEE ANYBODY DO THAT?
# 363 Q: DO YOU EVER DIRECT ANYONE, WHEN YOU WERE THERE, TO TAKE ANY PICTURES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA?
# 365 Q: I'M TALKING NOT ONLY ABOUT THE CONCRETE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DIRT AREA?
# 366 A: I DIDN'T DIRECT ANYBODY TO TAKE ANY PICTURES ANYWHERE.
# 367 Q: DID YOU EVER IN YOUR PRESENCE EVER HEAR ANY OF THE DETECTIVES WHO WERE SUPPOSEDLY IN CHARGE OF THIS SCENE TO DO THAT?
# 369 Q: NOW, WE I THINK WE COVERED LAST WEEK THAT WHEN YOU LEFT THE SCENE, THE CORONER HAD NOT ARRIVED; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 371 Q: AND DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CORONER HAD BEEN CALLED AT THAT POINT?
# 373 Q: YOU DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT?
# 375 Q: ALL RIGHT. WE ESTABLISHED YOU LEFT ABOUT 7:15?
# 377 Q: AND WITH REGARD TO THE MOVEMENT OF EVIDENCE, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TRY TO DO AT A CRIME SCENE IS PRESERVE THE EVIDENCE AND NOT MOVE IT; IS THAT RIGHT?
# 379 Q: WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE EVIDENCE I SHOWED YOU LAST WEEK, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT HAD BEEN MOVED; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 381 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT EVIDENCE HAD BEEN MOVED BY VIRTUE OF THE CORONER MOVING THE BODY OR DO YOU KNOW?
# 382 A: I WASN'T THERE. I DON'T KNOW.
# 383 Q: SO YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING?
# 385 Q: EVEN IF THE CORNER WERE TO MOVE THE BODY, THE BEST PROCEDURE WOULD BE NOT TO MOVE THE EVIDENCE, WOULD YOU AGREE?
# 386 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION.
# 387 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 388 MR. COCHRAN: WELL --
# 389 THE COURT: IT IS ARGUMENTATIVE WITH THIS WITNESS.
# 390 MR. COCHRAN: OKAY. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
# 391 Q: YOU KNOW YOURSELF THAT YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN NOT TO MOVE EVIDENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 393 Q: IF EVER YOU MOVED EVIDENCE OR EVIDENCE WAS MOVED FROM ONE LOCATION TO THE OTHER, YOU WOULD WRITE A REPORT EXPLAINING WHY THAT WAS DONE, RIGHT?
# 395 Q: THAT WOULD BE STANDARD PROCEDURE, WOULDN'T IT?
# 397 Q: AND YOU ARE A WELL-TRAINED OFFICER?
# 398 A: I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SO.
# 399 Q: IN ADDITION TO YOU SEARCHING THE AREA FOR ANY WEAPONS OR BLOODY CLOTHES OR WHATEVER, AS YOU DESCRIBED FOR US LAST WEEK, WERE THERE OTHER OFFICERS WHO ALSO SEARCHED UP AND DOWN THAT ALLEYWAY AND THAT SORT OF THING, THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF?
# 400 A: I KNOW THERE WERE DOOR KNOCKING THE RESIDENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE SEARCHING. I CAN'T TESTIFY FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
# 401 Q: YOU KNOW YOU SEARCHED AND YOU KNOW OTHER OFFICERS WERE OUT THERE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SEARCHED?
# 403 MR. COCHRAN: VERY WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, OFFICER RISKE.