📄 Motion scheduling discussion — Tuesday, August 8, 1995
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Motion scheduling discussion

Date: Tuesday, August 8, 1995 • Utterances: 19
Judge Ito recused himself from the IAD (Internal Affairs Division) motion, explaining that his wife had been promoted to Captain III of Internal Affairs — the very division whose files and investigation were at issue. While stressing he saw no actual conflict, he transferred the motion to Department 100 for assignment to another magistrate, while offering to conduct any subsequent in camera hearing himself given his familiarity with the case. All parties, including Simpson personally, agreed.
1 (The following proceedings were held in open court, out of the presence of the jury:)
2 THE COURT:

Back on the record in the Simpson matter. All parties are again present. The jury is not present. Counsel, one of the motions that we have on calendar--actually we have two for today. We have the Stockdale motion and the IAD motion. And previously, when this matter was submitted to the Court, I advised counsel and Mr. Simpson at the time that my wife was a captain with the Los Angeles Police Department at the time, and I recollect that she was in Internal Affairs when this case was assigned to me back in July of last year. At that time, she was the Captain II there and the chief investigator. When this matter of leaks came up, the Los Angeles Police Department conducted its investigation, and essentially Captain York was not involved in that investigation. This issue has arisen again, and since that time, my wife has been promoted to the Captain III of Internal Affairs. And I feel that since this particular motion involves files that are there, investigation that was conducted by the Internal Affairs Division of the Los Angeles Police Department, I think it's more appropriate that another Judge hear this motion. And I am comfortable with the fact that my wife has had no involvement in that investigation from start to finish and I don't feel that there is any actual conflict involved. However, I think the appearance is such that I would feel more comfortable and I think the parties would feel more comfortable if another magistrate heard this particular motion. And I discussed this informally with counsel off the record, advised them of my inclination that I was going to transfer this to another Judge, to Department 100 to the supervising Judge, Judge Bascue, for his assignment so that this can be heard by a magistrate who has no spousal connection to any of the parties involved here.

However, I've also informally discussed with the parties that in the event that the magistrate hearing the motion does grant an in camera hearing, that because this Court is more familiar with the issues involved, that this Court would then, with the agreement of the parties and stipulation of the Defendant, agree to do the in camera hearing if that comes to pass. Is that your understanding, Mr. Darden?

3 MR. DARDEN:

That is, your Honor, and that's acceptable.

4 THE COURT:

All right. Is that your understanding, Mr. Walsh?

5 MR. WALSH:

Certainly, your Honor.

6 THE COURT:

Is that your understanding, Mr. Cochran?

7 MR. COCHRAN:

Yes, it is, your Honor, and I've conferred with Mr. Simpson regarding that.

8 THE COURT:

All right. Is this arrangement agreeable to you, Mr. Simpson?

9 THE DEFENDANT:

Yes, it is.

10 THE COURT:

All right.

11 MR. COCHRAN:

And I should point out, Mr. Simpson does want to be present at that hearing when it's argued, your Honor.

12 THE COURT:

Yes.

13 MR. COCHRAN:

And I have suggested to the Court, if another magistrate wanted to come here, that would be fine. But we'll go wherever.

14 THE COURT:

Well, let me ask. You know, it's a matter of judicial protocol. I will invite Department 100 to make the assignment. Is it agreeable with you that I contact Judge Bascue and ask him to make the assignment directly?

15 MR. COCHRAN:

Yes. And then we'll--and further, I'll make a specific request, your Honor, just from the standpoint of logistics and we're set up here, we would like Mr. Simpson to be present for this hearing, and I would--you have no concerns about protocol if the new magistrate would come here.

16 THE COURT:

Just as long as they don't change all the adjustments on my chair.

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17 MR. COCHRAN:

On your chair or move your pens or your--I understand, your Honor. If you can work those things out, we'll be more than happy to remain here and wait for the other magistrate. And we could then, of course, in the course of argument explain that if the magistrate believes that there should be an in camera proceeding, we would stipulate, both sides, that your Honor would conduct that because of your familiarity with the facts.

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18 THE COURT:

All right. Then I'll take a brief recess. Then I'll contact Judge Bascue, ask him if he will assign the Judge directly to hear the matter here. All right. All right. We'll take 5 minutes.

19 (Recess.)

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Lance A. Ito
I don't feel that there is any actual conflict involved. However, I think the appearance is such that I would feel more comfortable and I think the parties would feel more comfortable if another magistrate heard this particular motion.
Ito draws the distinction between actual and apparent conflict — recusing on appearance grounds alone, which is a notable display of judicial caution in a high-profile case.
Lance A. Ito
Just as long as they don't change all the adjustments on my chair.
Rare moment of levity from Ito, joking about a visiting judge taking over his courtroom.
Johnnie Cochran
On your chair or move your pens or your--I understand, your Honor.
Cochran plays along with Ito's joke, illustrating the collegial rapport between bench and defense in administrative sessions.

Notable Exchanges (1)

Lance A. ItoJohnnie Cochran
Cochran negotiates logistics — requesting that the visiting magistrate come to Ito's courtroom rather than moving Simpson elsewhere, and confirming Simpson's right to be present at the IAD hearing.
collaborative

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
Ito jokes that he'll agree to host a visiting judge 'just as long as they don't change all the adjustments on my chair,' prompting Cochran to riff on the bit.

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 7252 • 19 utterances
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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