Direct examination of Christian Reichardt by Daniel Petrocelli (1 of 2)

📄 Direct examination of Christian Reichardt by Daniel Petrocelli (1 of 2) — Monday, March 25, 1996

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▲ Day 22 of 31

◀ Direct examination of Christian Reichardt by Daniel Petrocelli Direct examination of Christian Reichardt by Michael Brewer ▶

Witness: Christian Reichardt
Examiner: Daniel Petrocelli
Called by: Plaintiff • Date: Monday, March 25, 1996 • Utterances: 1743

Petrocelli continues his examination of Christian Reichardt, a close friend and fitness advisor to OJ Simpson. The session covers Reichardt's Day-Timers and book notes produced under subpoena, the Cabo San Lucas trip in April 1994, and most critically, a conversation in which Faye Resnick reported to Reichardt that Simpson had said he would kill Nicole — which Reichardt immediately characterized as 'a figure of speech.' Petrocelli repeatedly clashes with both defense attorneys (Dan Leonard and Reichardt's own counsel Rubalcava) over mid-question consultations and what he characterizes as witness co-option by Simpson's team.

# 1

CHRISTIAN H. REICHARDT, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

# 2

EXAMINATION (Resumed)

# 3

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 4 Q:

Mr. Reichardt, have you spoken to anybody since the adjournment of the deposition on Friday concerning this case, this lawsuit, or your deposition?

# 5 A:

No, I have not.

# 6 Q:

Have you had any contact with O.J. Simpson?

# 7 A:

No, I haven't.

# 8 Q:

Have you talked to him on the phone?

# 9 A:

No.

# 10 Q:

Have you been to his house?

# 11 A:

No.

# 12 Q:

Did you purposefully stay away?

# 13 A:

No.

# 14 Q:

Have you spoken to his lawyers

# 15 A:

No.

# 16 Q:

including Dan Leonard?

# 17 A:

No.

# 18 Q:

Or anyone else?

# 19 A:

No.

# 20 Q:

No?

# 21 A:

No, I haven't.

# 22 Q:

Did you read anything, review anything, look at anything

# 23 A:

# 24 Q:

having to do with this case?

# 25 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Except those documents.

# 26 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I just separated out those documents, but I haven't reviewed anything.

# 27

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 28 Q:

Now, you came here with some materials in response to my subpoena, and for the record I will identify them and then mark them later on when we get copies made.

It appears that you produced your Pocket Day-Timer for July 1994 through December 1994, one for January through June of 1995, and one for July through December of 1995; is that correct?

# 29 A:

Right.

# 30 Q:

And you already gave us the January to June 1994 last week?

# 31 A:

That's right.

# 32 Q:

Now, the other three that you gave to us today July of 1994 through December of 1995, do you know whether they contain any entries having any connection whatsoever to O.J. Simpson or this lawsuit?

# 33 A:

I doubt it.

# 34 Q:

Briefly describe your custom and practice with respect to these Day-Timers, what they are for, what their purpose is for, how you use them, and so forth.

# 35 A:

Basically they help me keep my days a little bit more organized. I write down people that I need to call, people I have appointments with, vacations. That's about it.

# 36 Q:

Does anyone else have access to these other than yourself?

# 37 A:

No.

# 38 Q:

Your secretary or assistant or anyone like that?

# 39 A:

No. It stays pretty much always with me.

# 40 Q:

You are the only person who would make entries in these books?

# 41 A:

Yes.

# 42 Q:

Do they contain your business appointments?

# 43 A:

Yes. Q But not your patients?

# 44 A:

No.

# 45 Q:

That is bookkeeping done in the office?

# 46 A:

That is done at the office, right.

Q You also mentioned something else?

# 47 A:

This is the beginning of '96 Day-Timer

# 48 Q:

That you have in front of you?

# 49 A:

which is my current right now.

# 50 Q:

And the bank statement showing the $5,000 transaction with O.J. Simpson?

# 51 A:

Those are still with my accountant. I submitted everything to him for tax returns and all of that stuff stays with him.

# 52 MR.RUBALCAVA:

Can your accountant forward a copy of that particular statement directly to Mr. Petrocelli? You will see that that happens?

# 53 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I will organize in getting that done for you.

# 54

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 55 Q:

What is his name?

# 56 A:

[Deleted name]

# 57 Q:

[Deleted name]?

# 58 A:

Yes.

Q Where is his office?

# 59 A:

He has an office in Pasadena and another one in Tazana.

# 60 Q:

What is his telephone number?

# 61 A:

I don't know.

# 62 Q:

Now, you are looking at a book with some phone numbers that is at the end of your planner for 1996

# 63 A:

Right.

# 64 Q:

is that a book with telephone numbers that was had and used in 1994?

# 65 A:

Yes. No. Actually, I rewrote it at the beginning of this year to clean it up.

# 66 Q:

Where is the one that you had for 1994?

# 67 A:

I threw it away.

# 68 Q:

How many entries in the telephone book there pertain to O.J. Simpson, family, friends, et cetera? A number of them?

# 69 A:

Yes. Probably 10, 15, something like that.

# 70 Q:

May I see that?

# 71 A:

Sure.

# 72 Q:

Cora appears in here. Is that Cora Fischman?

# 73 A:

Yes.

# 74 Q:

Gigi appears in here, is that Mr. Simpson's housekeeper Gigi?

# 75 A:

No.

# 76 Q:

It is another Gigi; right?

# 77 A:

Correct.

# 78 Q:

Keith appears in here. I take it that that is not Keith Zlomsowitzh; true?

# 79 A:

No.

# 80 Q:

Rolf appears in here. Is that Rolf Bauer?

# 81 A:

No.

# 82 MR. RUBALCAVA:

With regards to reproduction, I would prefer that you look through the documents that Dr. Reichardt has given to you and reproduce only those that pertain to this case. This is his specific request. There are documents there that really have nothing to do with this case or Mr. Simpson.

# 83 MR. PETROCELLI:

I will have to do that at the lunch break.

# 84 MR. RUBALCAVA:

That's fine. I appreciate that.

# 85 MR. PETROCELLI:

At a minimum, what I will do is make copies of the documents that the witness acknowledges pertain to this matter.

# 86 MR. RUBALCAVA:

That's a good idea.

# 87 MR. LEONARD:

I would like an equal opportunity.

# 88 MR. PETROCELLI:

This is your witness. You met with him. You have talked to him.

# 89 MR. LEONARD:

I haven't seen these documents.

# 90 MR.PETROCELLI:

That remains to be seen.

# 91 (Mr. Fredric Goldman enters the deposition proceedings.)

# 92 MR. PETROCELLI:

Can I have copies made of these for everyone. And I would like copies made of these documents. Wait a second.

# 93 Q:

Mr. Reichardt, we are going to have copies made of the Day-Timers that you gave us that I just described a few moments ago.

And now I am looking at this yellow folder that has materials in it including some typewritten materials and copies of articles and some hand-written notes, and these materials were assembled and collected by you in hopes of writing a book as part of that effort; is that true?

# 94 A:

That's correct.

# 95 Q:

And this is the book that you mentioned in your testimony on Friday the idea for which was spawned by the O.J. Simpson case; correct?

# 96 A:

Correct.

# 97 Q:

And part of this book relates to your experiences and your knowledge of the O.J. Simpson case; correct?

# 98 A:

True.

# 99 Q:

And part of it relates to your thoughts, musings, and philosophies about life in general; is that true?

# 100 A:

That's correct.

# 101 Q:

Now, this first Let me back up. I asked you on Friday not to show these materials to Mr. Simpson and his lawyers, and did you keep that promise?

# 102 A:

Yes.

# 103 Q:

So they haven't seen these to your knowledge?

# 104 A:

No, they haven't.

# 105 Q:

And you have not discussed it with them?

# 106 A:

No.

# 107 Q:

Now, these typewritten materials, I am holding in my hand the group of papers that you told me relate to the O.J. Simpson case. The remainder of the materials are in the yellow file that you think are just general thoughts and ideas that have no specific application to this case; correct?

# 108 A:

That's correct.

# 109 Q:

For now, let's focus on the O.J. Simpson papers. They are 10 pages or so of white typewritten notes; correct?

# 110 A:

Yes.

# 111 Q:

Who typed those?

# 112 A:

My secretary.

# 113 Q:

What is her name?

# 114 A:

[Name Deleted].

# 115 Q:

Is she still your secretary?

# 116 A:

Yes, she is.

# 117 Q:

There are seven pages of pink hand-printed notes. Are these your notes?

# 118 A:

Yes, they are.

# 119 Q:

All in your handwriting?

# 120 A:

That's correct.

# 121 Q:

And then we have a page with handwriting on both sides. Are these in your handwriting also?

# 122 A:

Yes.

# 123 Q:

What I am going to do now is have these copied, and then later on during a break I will review them and we will come back to them. Okay?

# 124 A:

Great.

# 125 Q:

Can you identify any time other than 9 o'clock on the evening of June 12 when O.J. Simpson called you up on the telephone to tell you where he would be later that same evening?

# 126 A:

Other than calling during the day and saying, "We will see you later tonight at dinner" some other times, no, nothing no specific incident.

# 127 Q:

So the only time that you can recall O.J. Simpson ever calling you up to tell you where he would be later that evening was on the evening of June 12, 1994 when he called you at approximately 9:00 p.m.; true?

# 128 MR. LEONARD:

I am going to object

# 129 MR. PETROCELLI:

Excuse me.

# 130 Q:

True?

# 131 MR. RUBALCAVA:

I am going to consult.

# 132 MR. PETROCELLI:

Well, you cannot consult in the middle of an answer.

# 133 MR. RUBALCAVA:

I think you can.

# 134 MR. PETROCELLI:

No, you can't. He can answer the question. If you have an objection, you can make it, but there is no reason to talk to him about my question. I don't understand that.

# 135 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Do you want to talk to me?

# 136 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Yes.

# 137 MR. LEONARD:

Can I get my objection in.

# 138 MR. PETROCELLI:

Well, I would like to get an answer first to my question.

# 139 MR. LEONARD:

I have an objection.

# 140 MR. PETROCELLI:

I want an answer without your talking to your lawyer, and then you can talk to your lawyer, and if you want to clarify, then you can clarify. I am entitled to that. You can make your objection first. Go ahead.

# 141 MR. LEONARD:

I am going to object. It misstates his prior testimony.

# 142 MR.PETROCELLI:

That's fine. Are you finished?

# 143 MR. LEONARD:

Yes.

# 144 MR. PETROCELLI:

Okay. Please repeat the question and repeat it in the transcript as well.

I want a simple question and answer. And then you may answer and then you can consult, and then if you want to change your testimony or amplify it, that is your choice.

(The record was read as follows:

"Q: So the only time that you can recall O.J. Simpson ever calling you up to tell you where he would be later that evening was on the evening of June 12, 1994 when he called you at approximately 9:00 p.m.; true?")

# 145 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That I can specifically recall, yes.

# 146 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Okay.

# 147 (Discussion was held between the witness and his counsel out of the hearing of the reporter.)

# 148 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Which is consistent with what you have testified to before.

# 149

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 150 Q:

Now, let me ask you this question.

# 151 A:

Can I clarify my answer from before?

# 152 Q:

When Mr. Leonard examines you, I think he will give you an ample opportunity to try to deal with that answer.

You testified before that you knew the time was 9 o'clock, you were pretty sure of that, too, one minute off perhaps?

# 153 A:

Yes.

# 154 Q:

And you said that the clock was one of those analog clocks with a face on it; right?

# 155 (Witness nods head.)

# 156 Q:

Right?

# 157 A:

Right.

# 158 Q:

Where was this clock located?

# 159 A:

On a piece of artwork at the end of the living room.

# 160 Q:

Do you still have it?

# 161 A:

Yes.

# 162 Q:

Is it a free-standing clock?

# 163 A:

Yes.

# 164 Q:

Was it situated in view, eye's view of the television?

# 165 A:

No. It was situated off to the left.

# 166 Q:

Is that where the telephone was located?

# 167 A:

Yes.

# 168 Q:

Did you have to get up to answer the telephone?

# 169 A:

No.

# 170 Q:

Is it a portable phone that you were using?

# 171 A:

No. It was a phone that was standing right by the couch.

# 172 Q:

Were you lying on the couch or sitting?

# 173 A:

Sitting.

# 174 Q:

So you were sitting on the couch alone watching television and the phone rang and you reached over where, to your right?

# 175 A:

To the left.

# 176 Q:

To your left. And you picked up the phone?

# 177 A:

Right.

# 178 Q:

Then as you picked up the phone did you look to your left or to your right?

# 179 A:

To the left.

# 180 Q:

To the left.

# 181 A:

To the clock.

# 182 Q:

And how far was that clock from you?

# 183 A:

Ten feet.

# 184 Q:

Was the light on

# 185 A:

Yes.

# 186 Q:

in the room?

# 187 A:

Yes.

# 188 Q:

Was it in the same room as the television?

# 189 A:

The clock?

# 190 Q:

Yes.

# 191 A:

Yes.

# 192 Q:

And is it a big clock?

# 193 (Indicating )

# 194 Q:

Could you estimate for the record the diameter of that?

# 195 A:

Ten inches across, eight inches across.

# 196 Q:

You were showing a much smaller diameter in my view with your fingers just now, like more like five inches. Do you think it is about

# 197 A:

Eight to ten inches.

# 198 Q:

Okay. Is it your habit, by the way, when you pick up the phone to look at that particular clock?

# 199 A:

Yes, pretty much.

# 200 Q:

Why?

# 201 A:

Because the phone is right there. I look at it Throughout the day I look at clocks and whatever time it is.

# 202 Q:

Did you have a watch on?

# 203 A:

I don't recall.

# 204 Q:

What were you wearing, by the way, when you were sitting on the couch watching television?

# 205 A:

Probably some sweats, a sweat suit.

# 206 Q:

Not probably. What exactly were you wearing?

# 207 A:

I don't recall.

# 208 Q:

Can you tell me, as clearly as you knew it was around 9 o'clock, can you tell me what you were wearing?

# 209 A:

I don't recall.

# 210 Q:

Did you have shoes on?

# 211 A:

Doubtful. I hardly ever wear shoes at home.

# 212 Q:

But you do not know for sure?

# 213 A:

I don't know for sure.

# 214 Q:

Now, there was an incident when you were with Faye Resnick in your Is it an apartment?

# 215 A:

Condominium.

# 216 Q:

Condominium. On [Address Deleted]?

# 217 A:

That's correct.

# 218 Q:

when Faye informed you that O.J. Simpson had just told her that he was going to kill Nicole; correct?

# 219 (Witness shakes head.)

# 220 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Leading.

# 221

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 222 Q:

Correct?

# 223 A:

Correct.

# 224 Q:

To the best of your knowledge when did that occur?

# 225 A:

The date or the time of day? What are you looking for?

# 226 Q:

Everything. I want to know all the details.

# 227 A:

I would think it was probably approximately four weeks prior to the murder.

# 228 Q:

And you were home alone with Faye Resnick; true?

# 229 A:

That's correct, right.

# 230 Q:

And Faye had just gotten off the phone with O.J. Simpson and you overheard their conversation?

# 231 A:

Right.

# 232 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 233 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Not both sides.

# 234 MR. PETROCELLI:

Mr. Rubalcava, I appreciate that you want to get out certain information, but I really am entitled to examine him.

# 235 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Excuse me.

# 236 MR. PETROCELLI:

And Mr. Leonard with whom this witness is fairly friendly

# 237 MR. LEONARD:

I object to that characterization.

# 238 MR. PETROCELLI:

Well, you can object, but it is true. You have met with him twice. He has talked to your client 100 times since he got out of jail. It is clear what has been going on here and your client's effort to co-opt and convert witnesses and

# 239 MR. LEONARD:

That is not an appropriate comment.

# 240 MR.PETROCELLI:

you can do whatever you want when it is your time to examine him, but I am here trying to examine this witness, and I do not want you or his lawyer, frankly, impeding that effort.

# 241 MR. LEONARD:

I am not attempting to impede. I just

# 242 MR. PETROCELLI:

That's all I am trying to do.

# 243 MR. LEONARD:

am making a legitimate objection.

# 244

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 245 Q:

You should have nothing to hide because, as you have said before, you are sure that O.J. Simpson is innocent as you are of any other fact?

# 246 A:

Mr. Petrocelli, I don't have anything to hide.

KEY QUOTE

# 247 Q:

Thank you. So we are on the same wavelength?

# 248 A:

Exactly. You are trying to do your job, and I am just telling you the truth.

# 249 Q:

Thank you. So you were on the couch, the same couch that you were on the evening of June 12; right?

# 250 A:

That's correct.

# 251 Q:

And Faye Resnick was on that couch talking to O.J. Simpson; right?

# 252 A:

No.

# 253 Q:

Where was she?

# 254 A:

She was off to the left walking around the living room.

# 255 Q:

Was it a portable phone?

# 256 A:

She was on a portable phone.

# 257 Q:

Is it the same phone number as the one that you were using on the evening of June 12?

# 258 A:

Was it the same phone number?

# 259 Q:

Yes.

# 260 A:

There are three phone numbers in the house that are ringing with that same phone number.

# 261 Q:

And who called who?

# 262 A:

I believe that it was O.J. calling Faye that evening.

# 263 Q:

O.J. of course is O.J. Simpson?

# 264 A:

That's correct.

# 265 Q:

And Mr. Simpson called Faye Resnick around what time?

# 266 A:

It must have been after 8 o'clock because that is when I get home from the office.

Q And when you got home, Ms. Resnick was already there; right?

# 267 A:

That's correct.

# 268 Q:

Was anyone else home?

# 269 A:

I believe her daughter was in her room.

# 270 Q:

And her daughter is Francesca?

# 271 A:

Francesca.

# 272 Q:

Do you know whether her daughter overheard Ms. Resnick on the phone with Mr. Simpson?

# 273 A:

I don't know.

# 274 Q:

You didn't see her in the room?

# 275 A:

She was not in the room. She was downstairs.

# 276 Q:

Did she overhear to your knowledge the ensuing conversation between you and Ms. Resnick?

# 277 A:

No, she did not.

# 278 Q:

And this event occurred about one month before the murder of Nicole and the murder of Ron; correct?

# 279 A:

Approximately. Approximately, yes.

# 280 Q:

And this was after you had come back from Cabo?

# 281 A:

That's correct.

# 282 Q:

And this was after your birthday party; true?

# 283 A:

Yes.

# 284 Q:

And this is after you had heard about a split or a rift between Nicole and Mr. Simpson following the Cabo trip; right?

# 285 A:

No.

# 286 Q:

You heard no such information at all as of this point in time?

# 287 A:

I knew that they were going through difficult times and that they were thinking about splitting back up, yes.

# 288 Q:

Thinking of ending that one-year effort to reconcile?

# 289 A:

That's right.

# 290 Q:

Ms. Resnick was having an animated conversation with O.J. Simpson?

# 291 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 292

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 293 Q:

Correct?

# 294 A:

Ms. Resnick was high at the time so any conversation is animated with her.

# 295 Q:

I am not asking about drug use again. Dan will, I am sure, elicit that. I am only asking about your observations and what you heard and what you saw.

# 296 A:

All right. Yes, Faye Resnick was distraught.

# 297 Q:

As she was talking to O.J. Simpson; correct?

# 298 A:

That's correct.

# 299 Q:

And it was apparent to you from listening to Faye Resnick talk to O.J. Simpson that there was an upsetting conversation going on between both parties; right?

# 300 A:

Not really.

# 301 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 302

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 303 Q:

Well, you did not get the impression from listening to Ms. Resnick that O.J. Simpson was talking about his golf game, right?

# 304 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 305 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

But I had the impression that Ms. Resnick was high and she was animated when she was high.

# 306

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 307 Q:

I am not talking about her drug use again.

# 308 A:

I know you are not.

# 309 Q:

I am talking about the content of her conversation, the words, the subject matter, okay. To your knowledge, based on what you recall, they were talking about the relationship between O.J. Simpson and Nicole; true?

# 310 A:

That's correct. That's correct.

# 311 Q:

And Ms. Resnick in this discussion with O.J. Simpson about his relationship with Nicole was visibly upset and animated; true?

# 312 A:

But I don't know whether it was because of the content or her state of mind.

# 313 Q:

I didn't ask you that.

# 314 A:

I know.

# 315 Q:

That is for some other lawyer to ask you?

# 316 A:

It is not an answer I can do with yes or no.

# 317 MR. PETROCELLI:

Please repeat my question. And regardless of what you think caused it, just give us the answer. Someone else will present Mr. Simpson's side of the story.

# 318 (Discussion was held between the witness and his counsel out of the hearing of the reporter.)

# 319 MR. PETROCELLI:

Let the record reflect that I am going to object to any more conferences while questions are pending.

# 320 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

The question is not pending. I answered the question.

# 321 MR. PETROCELLI:

I want the question read back, please. I would like a "yes" or "no" answer.

(The record was read as follows:

"Q: And Ms. Resnick in this discussion with O.J. Simpson about his relationship with Nicole was visibly upset and animated; true?")

# 322 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That's correct.

# 323

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 324 Q:

How long did the conversation between O.J. Simpson and Faye Resnick last?

# 325 A:

Approximately l0 minutes.

# 326 Q:

Had you spoken to O.J. Simpson that day?

# 327 A:

I spoke to him after that.

# 328 Q:

That same evening?

# 329 (Witness nods head.)

# 330 Q:

You have to answer audibly.

# 331 A:

Yes.

# 332 Q:

Before the Resnick conversation had you spoken to Mr. Simpson by phone that day?

# 333 A:

No.

# 334 Q:

Had you spoken to him in person that day?

# 335 A:

No.

# 336 Q:

Had you spoken to him the day before?

# 337 A:

I don't recall.

# 338 Q:

And when the phone rang, who picked it up?

# 339 A:

Faye did.

# 340 Q:

Okay. And Faye did not say to you, "Mr. Simpson wants to speak to you, Christian"; correct?

# 341 A:

No. She wanted me to talk to him.

# 342 Q:

But Mr. Simpson had called to speak to Faye Resnick; true?

# 343 A:

That's right.

# 344 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 345

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 346 Q:

True?

# 347 A:

That's right.

# 348 Q:

In other words, at no point did Resnick tell you, "Here, he is calling to speak to you, Christian"; true?

# 349 A:

That's right.

# 350 Q:

And you did not get on that phone call at all; right?

# 351 A:

Yes, I got on the phone call later.

# 352 Q:

On the same call?

# 353 A:

No. No. Sorry. Not that call.

# 354 Q:

A later call; right?

# 355 A:

A later call.

# 356 Q:

Let's stick with this phone call. You did not get on this phone call; right?

# 357 A:

That's correct.

# 358 Q:

Tell me everything that you can remember Faye Resnick saying as you listened to her conversation with O.J. Simpson.

# 359 A:

I didn't listen into their conversation very much at all.

# 360 Q:

Tell me what you heard.

# 361 A:

I remember saying that Faye saying that she was wanting to stay remain friends with O.J. regardless of what happens between Nicole and O.J.

# 362 Q:

And you remember specifically that that was said by Faye in this conversation?

# 363 A:

Yes.

# 364 Q:

Did you understand that Faye had a concern that if O.J. Simpson and Nicole split up that she, Faye Resnick, would then lose her relationship and friendship with O.J. Simpson?

# 365 A:

Can you repeat the question, please.

# 366 MR.PETROCELLI:

Yes. Please.

(The record was read as follows:

"Q: Did you understand that Faye had a concern that if O.J. Simpson and Nicole split up that she, Faye Resnick, would then lose her relationship and friendship with O.J. Simpson?")

# 367 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Yes, that's correct.

# 368

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 369 Q:

And she, based on your overhearing this conversation, was telling Mr. Simpson she did not want to see that happen; correct?

# 370 A:

That's right.

# 371 Q:

In this conversation do you know whether there was any discussion of the Sports Spectacular event on July 4?

# 372 A:

I think that's what prompted the phone call from O.J. to Faye.

# 373 Q:

Why do you think that?

# 374 A:

Because later Faye and I were talking about it.

# 375 Q:

Okay. Before we get to what Faye and you discussed, can you tell me anything else that you remember hearing in the O.J. Simpson/Faye Resnick conversation?

# 376 A:

They were just talking about the Spectacular, to go there together and to like I said, Faye was concerned not wanting to get into separation of the friendships, she is not wanting to lose either friend.

# 377 Q:

So by this time it was pretty clear to you that Mr. Simpson and Nicole Brown were splitting up; right?

# 378 A:

Yes, they were, I think, going through the moves of splitting up.

# 379 Q:

In fact, Mr. Simpson had already gotten together with his former girlfriend Paula Barbieri

# 380 A:

Yes.

# 381 Q:

by this time; right?

# 382 A:

I think it was all about the same time.

# 383 Q:

With whom he was planning to take to the Sports Spectacular?

# 384 A:

Right.

# 385 Q:

Not Nicole?

# 386 A:

Right.

# 387 Q:

So the whole issue that you overheard on this one point was Faye going to an event with Mr. Simpson without Nicole?

# 388 A:

Right.

# 389 Q:

Okay. Now, after First of all, have you told us everything that you can remember about the Resnick/Simpson conversation?

# 390 A:

Uh-huh.

Q Now, when Faye got off the phone, she then immediately told you what Mr. Simpson had just said; right?

# 391 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Leading.

# 392 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

After the phone call after Faye hung up, she went over and hung the phone up in the kitchen, she came back to the couch and plopped herself down on the couch

# 393

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 394 Q:

I thought you said it was a portable phone?

# 395 A:

Right.

# 396 Q:

But she put it in the kitchen?

# 397 A:

Right. The base for the portable phone is in the kitchen. Then she plopped herself on the couch and she said, "He said he is going to kill her."

# 398 Q:

What did you say?

# 399 A:

I said, "What do you mean?"

# 400 Q:

What did she say?

# 401 A:

She said, "He is going to kill her if she keeps doing this driving him crazy."

# 402 Q:

And what did you say?

# 403 A:

I said, "Well, you know, that is a figure of speech."

# 404 Q:

What is a figure of speech?

# 405 A:

That trying to kill someone.

# 406 Q:

How do you know?

# 407 A:

I used the terminology.

# 408 Q:

Have you ever told anyone that you were going to kill Nicole?

# 409 A:

No.

# 410 Q:

Had O.J. Simpson ever told you before this evening that he was going to kill Nicole?

# 411 A:

No.

# 412 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 413 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 414

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 415 Q:

Had he ever told you before this evening that he was going to kill Nicole when you construed that as a figure of speech

# 416 A:

No.

# 417 Q:

or in a joking way or in any other way; right?

# 418 A:

Right, no.

# 419 Q:

So the first time that you ever heard a statement attributed to Mr. Simpson that he was going to kill Nicole was on this evening of this conversation that Resnick had with Simpson and then reported to you; true?

# 420 A:

True.

# 421 Q:

And did you ever hear that statement made after that evening

# 422 A:

No.

# 423 Q:

attributed to Mr. Simpson?

# 424 A:

No.

# 425 Q:

That was a bad question. Did you ever hear a statement attributed to Mr. Simpson that he was going to kill Nicole after this conversation that you just described?

# 426 A:

No.

# 427 Q:

So that was the only time that you heard it; true?

# 428 A:

That he said that he would kill Nicole, but it is a figure of speech

# 429 Q:

Forget the "but" part, okay. That is Dan's job.

# 430 MR. LEONARD:

I object to that.

# 431 MR. PETROCELLI:

What was the beginning of my question? Give me the question and the answer.

(The record was read as follows:

"Q: So that was the only time that you heard it; true?

"A. That he said that he would kill Nicole, but it is a figure of speech

"Q. Forget the 'but' part, okay.")

# 432

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 433 Q:

So the only time that you heard a statement attributed by Mr. Simpson that he would kill Nicole was that evening?

# 434 A:

That's correct.

# 435 Q:

And you were not on the phone with O.J. Simpson when Ms. Resnick was; right?

# 436 A:

No.

# 437 Q:

Nor did you hear him talking when Ms. Resnick was speaking to Mr. Simpson; right?

# 438 A:

Right.

# 439 Q:

You were not listening on the other end; right?

# 440 A:

No.

# 441 Q:

And you could not hear his voice, I take it?

# 442 A:

Correct.

# 443 A:

So you had no idea whether he meant it seriously, joking, figure of speech or otherwise; true?

# 444 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 445 MR. PETROCELLI:

Excuse me.

# 446 Q:

True.

# 447 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 448 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Since I did not listen to the voice, I cannot say.

# 449

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 450 Q:

So can you answer my question? True; is that right?

# 451 A:

Yes.

# 452 Q:

But you nonetheless told Faye Resnick that it was a figure of speech; right?

# 453 A:

Right.

# 454 Q:

Now, you have just told us that Faye Resnick told you that O.J. Simpson said he would kill Nicole; correct?

# 455 A:

Correct.

# 456 Q:

What else did Faye Resnick tell you that O.J. Simpson said?

# 457 A:

That was it. After that she went downstairs.

# 458 Q:

Was there any discussion of the Sports Spectacular event, whether Mr. Simpson said he would invite her, notwithstanding that Nicole would not be there, anything like that mentioned?

# 459 A:

That evening?

# 460 Q:

In this conversation now between you and Faye reporting on her just concluded conversation with Mr. Simpson.

# 461 A:

No.

# 462 Q:

Now, when Ms. Resnick told you what O.J. Simpson had said, it is fair to say that she appeared to you to be upset?

# 463 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 464

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 465 Q:

True?

# 466 A:

Not any more or less upset than she usually was in her condition.

# 467 Q:

Well, aside from the reason for her being upset, she seemed to you to be distraught true?

# 468 A:

Uh-huh.

# 469 Q:

True?

# 470 A:

Yes.

# 471 Q:

(Continuing) at the time that she reported the O.J. Simpson statement to you; true?

# 472 A:

Yes.

# 473 Q:

Now, you said that after she reported O.J. Simpson's statement that he would kill Nicole she went downstairs?

# 474 A:

After she had plopped herself on the couch she then went downstairs.

Q When you say she plopped herself on the couch, how long was she down there on the couch with you?

# 475 A:

Thirty seconds.

# 476 Q:

And then she got up and walked away; right?

# 477 A:

Right.

# 478 Q:

When did you next talk to her?

# 479 A:

Probably the next morning.

# 480 Q:

You did not see her the rest of that evening?

# 481 A:

I saw her but we didn't talk.

Q What was the reason for that?

# 482 A:

She was high.

# 483 Q:

And where was she?

# 484 A:

She was downstairs in the bedroom.

# 485 Q:

By the way, did you see her take any drugs that day?

# 486 A:

No.

# 487 Q:

Did you see her freebase cocaine?

# 488 A:

No.

# 489 Q:

Smoke any dope?

# 490 A:

No.

# 491 Q:

Take any pills?

# 492 A:

No.

# 493 Q:

Drink any alcohol?

# 494 A:

No.

# 495 Q:

Did she tell you that she had done those things?

# 496 A:

No. Q: And did anyone else tell you that she had done those things

# 497 A:

No.

# 498 Q:

that evening

# 499 A:

No.

# 500 Q:

or that day?

# 501 (Witness shakes head.)

# 502 Q:

You then called O.J. Simpson?

# 503 A:

I don't believe that I talked to him that day. I believe I talked to him the next day.

# 504 Q:

Did you have any telephone calls with him that evening after the Resnick conversation?

# 505 A:

I don't believe so, no.

# 506 Q:

And tell me who called who the next day?

# 507 A:

I don't recall who called who, but we talked about the Sports Spectacular event.

# 508 Q:

Was it a telephone call?

# 509 A:

Yes.

# 510 Q:

Where were you when you participated in that telephone call?

# 511 A:

I think it was at my office.

# 512 Q:

You think you called him?

# 513 A:

I really don't recall.

# 514 Q:

Tell me what was discussed in this conversation between you and Mr. Simpson?

# 515 A:

Just going to the Sports Spectacular event and that he was going to bring Paula, and he was looking forward to us being there.

# 516 Q:

"Us" meaning who?

# 517 A:

Faye and I.

# 518 Q:

Anything else said?

# 519 A:

I think it was a very brief conversation.

# 520 Q:

So you cannot remember anything else?

# 521 A:

No. It was just real quick, brief, checking in with each other.

# 522 Q:

Had you been to the Sports Spectacular event before?

# 523 A:

The year prior.

# 524 Q:

And where was it the year prior? This is July 4, 1993 now.

# 525 A:

It was in I don't recall the location. I don't recall.

# 526 Q:

What was the event, if you could generally describe it for us, please.

# 527 A:

It is an event where sports people get honored for their involvement in medical give support to medical clinics.

# 528 Q:

And you attended the year before?

# 529 A:

Right.

# 530 Q:

At Mr. Simpson's invitation?

# 531 A:

Mr. Simpson and Nicole, yes.

# 532 Q:

And who was present at the same table? Were you at the same table with Nicole and Mr. Simpson?

# 533 A:

Right.

# 534 Q:

And you and Ms. Resnick?

# 535 A:

Right.

# 536 Q:

And who else was there with you?

# 537 A:

I don't recall. A big round table.

# 538 Q:

And did you pay?

# 539 A:

No.

# 540 Q:

Did Mr. Simpson pay?

# 541 A:

Yes. I assume so. I don't know who paid.

# 542 Q:

You didn't pay. Do you know how much it cost him

# 543 A:

I have no idea.

# 544 Q:

for you and for Ms. Resnick?

# 545 A:

I don't know.

# 546 Q:

Had you been there the year before in 1992?

# 547 A:

No.

# 548 Q:

In the various times that you said you either treated or helped Mr. Simpson work out, you said there were maybe four or five occasions, did you ever see him bleed?

# 549 A:

No.

# 550 Q:

Did he ever tell you that he has a habit of bleeding for no apparent reason?

# 551 A:

No.

# 552 Q:

Did he ever tell you that he just cuts himself frequently

# 553 A:

No.

# 554 Q:

playing golf?

# 555 A:

No.

# 556 Q:

Did you ever ask Mr. Simpson how he got the cuts on his fingers?

# 557 A:

No.

# 558 Q:

You saw that he had cuts on his fingers when he came back from Chicago?

# 559 A:

No.

# 560 Q:

You heard that in the media reports?

# 561 A:

I heard that in the media.

# 562 Q:

Did you ever ask him how he got these cuts?

# 563 A:

No.

# 564 Q:

Did he ever discuss that with you?

# 565 A:

No.

# 566 Q:

Did he ever talk to you in all of these many conversations that you and he have had, particularly since he has been released from jail? Did he ever talk to you about how he got those cuts?

# 567 A:

No.

# 568 Q:

Has he ever talked to you about why he was bleeding at Rockingham before he left his house to go to the airport?

# 569 A:

No.

# 570 Q:

No conversations on that at all?

# 571 A:

None.

# 572 Q:

Did he ever talk to you about the whereabouts of his luggage or what luggage he took and what items went where?

# 573 A:

No.

# 574 Q:

He never discussed that with you?

# 575 A:

No.

# 576 Q:

Did he ever discuss with you why he went to the airport with Bob Kardashian to pick up his golf clubs a day or two after learning of Nicole's death?

# 577 A:

No.

# 578 Q:

Did he ever discuss with you what his reaction to hearing of Nicole's death was in Chicago when the police called him?

# 579 A:

No.

# 580 Q:

Did he ever talk to you about whether the gloves that were found at the Rockingham scene and the Bundy crime scene were his gloves?

# 581 A:

No.

# 582 Q:

Or whether the shoe prints were his shoes?

# 583 A:

No.

# 584 Q:

So he has not talked to you about the physical evidence?

# 585 A:

No.

# 586 Q:

The knit cap, he did not talk to you about that at any time

# 587 A:

No.

# 588 Q:

whether it was his or whose, it was?

# 589 A:

No.

# 590 Q:

Fake goatee and moustache?

# 591 A:

No.

# 592 Q:

No?

# 593 A:

No.

# 594 Q:

Have you ever participated in discussions with Mr. Simpson and others in which those topics were mentioned or brought up?

# 595 A:

No.

# 596 Q:

Does Mr. Simpson to your knowledge make a point of avoiding discussing those topics with you because of the pending lawsuit?

# 597 A:

No.

# 598 Q:

Did he consult with you on what to say or not to say in his video?

# 599 A:

No.

# 600 Q:

Did he ask your advice?

# 601 A:

No.

# 602 Q:

Did he ask for your opinions at all?

# 603 A:

No.

# 604 Q:

Did he ask whether you thought it would be a good or bad idea to make the video?

# 605 A:

No.

# 606 MR. RUBALCAVA:

You are talking about Mr. Simpson's post-release video as opposed to the video that Mr. Reichardt consulted with on the exercise?

# 607 MR. PETROCELLI:

Yes. I am talking about the video in which he tries to persuade people that he is innocent, that video, not the exercise video.

# 608 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Okay.

# 609 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Right.

# 610

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 611 Q:

Now, you went to Cabo San Lucas with Mr. Simpson in April of 1994; right?

# 612 A:

That's correct.

# 613 Q:

Could you look at your calendar and tell me I think you told us what the dates were actually.

# 614 A:

Easter.

# 615 Q:

You told us it was March 31 through, I guess, April 3 or 4; is that right?

# 616 A:

Yes. April 1 through the 4th.

# 617 Q:

How did you get to Cabo?

# 618 A:

I flew.

Q Did you fly alone?

# 619 A:

Yes.

# 620 Q:

Where did you stay there?

# 621 A:

We stayed at a house by the Palmilla Hotel.

# 622 Q:

And whose house was it?

# 623 A:

It was a rented house.

# 624 Q:

Did you pay for the rental?

# 625 A:

No.

# 626 Q:

Who paid?

# 627 A:

Mr. Simpson.

# 628 Q:

Who stayed in your particular condominium? You and Ms. Resnick?

# 629 A:

Yes.

# 630 Q:

And Francesca?

# 631 A:

No. Francesca was supposed to be staying over at the general house.

# 632 Q:

So just the two of you?

# 633 A:

That's correct.

# 634 Q:

And when did Faye Resnick come down to Cabo?

# 635 A:

They left the day before me.

# 636 Q:

And when did O.J. Simpson go down there?

# 637 A:

I think they all went together with O.J.

# 638 Q:

So you came one day later?

# 639 A:

That's correct.

# 640 Q:

And you stayed there until the 4th and you left on the 4th?

# 641 A:

Right.

# 642 Q:

And did you leave alone?

# 643 A:

Right.

# 644 Q:

And where did you go?

# 645 A:

Back to Los Angeles.

# 646 Q:

And do you know when Mr. Simpson left Cabo?

# 647 A:

He left the day before me.

# 648 Q:

On the 3rd?

# 649 A:

Right.

# 650 Q:

Did you take him to the airport?

# 651 A:

Yes, I did.

# 652 Q:

You drove him?

# 653 A:

Yes.

# 654 Q:

What kind of car?

# 655 A:

A VW bus.

# 656 Q:

To whom did it belong?

# 657 A:

I think it belonged to the house.

# 658 Q:

Did it have a phone in it?

# 659 A:

No.

# 660 Q:

Did Mr. Simpson make any phone calls on that ride to the airport?

# 661 A:

No.

# 662 Q:

Did he use his portable phone to make any calls?

# 663 A:

No.

# 664 Q:

Did anybody else take you to the airport go with you and Mr. Simpson to the airport?

# 665 A:

No. It was just me. I think it was just the two of us.

# 666 Q:

And he was going off to catch a plane to Puerto Rico?

# 667 A:

I think first back to LA. and then to Puerto Rico, however the transition was.

# 668 Q:

Did he give you a number where he could be reached in Puerto Rico?

# 669 A:

No.

# 670 Q:

Did he make plans to see you again?

# 671 A:

Yes, when his show was done, when his film was done in Puerto Rico.

# 672 Q:

Did he give you a date certain or event when you would next see each other?

# 673 A:

No.

# 674 Q:

Did he say how long he would be gone?

# 675 A:

I think he said about a week-and-a-half.

# 676 Q:

Now, can you tell us what you and Mr. Simpson did in Cabo San Lucas together during the three days that you were there?

# 677 A:

Everybody or him and I specifically?

# 678 Q:

Did the two of you ever spend any time alone other than going to the airport to take him to the airport?

# 679 A:

No. It was always a whole group of people together.

# 680 Q:

Did you observe the interaction between Mr. Simpson and Nicole?

# 681 A:

Yes.

# 682 Q:

And can you characterize it for us.

# 683 A:

It was very loving and happy. They were they seemed pretty happy at the time.

KEY QUOTE

# 684 Q:

Now, you testified Friday that you had already had conversations with Mr. Simpson about them being in an unhealthy relationship, or he was saying that to you and you were saying that to him about your respective relationships; is that

# 685 A:

That's correct.

# 686 Q:

Did it come to you as a surprise, then, to see Nicole and Mr. Simpson interacting so positively?

# 687 A:

No.

# 688 Q:

Did you ever have a chance to talk with Mr. Simpson about whether he had different feelings now about his relationship and his plans?

# 689 A:

In Cabo?

# 690 Q:

Yes, in Cabo.

# 691 A:

No.

# 692 Q:

Including on the way to the airport.

# 693 A:

Just something that I thought it was I mentioned to him, I think on the way to the airport, that I thought it was great that they were getting along.

# 694 Q:

What did he say?

# 695 A:

He felt happy. He felt good. He had a good time in Cabo.

# 696 Q:

Did he say, "You know, I think I'm going to stay with her and have her move back in?"

# 697 A:

No.

# 698 Q:

"I think it is now going to work out"?

# 699 A:

No.

# 700 Q:

Did he tell you that it was not going to work out?

# 701 A:

No.

# 702 Q:

So he gave you no idea one way or the other what was going to happen with his relationship insofar as he was concerned?

# 703 A:

At that moment, right.

# 704 Q:

Was there an episode or incident that occurred when Mr. Simpson was talking to Nicole about frogs and about his being the FROGMAN?

# 705 A:

There was a time when we discussed his role as the FROGMAN where everybody was sitting out on the patio, and he was basically saying that it was funny that Nicole had this fear of frogs and here he is doing this role as the FROGMAN and everybody was laughing about it.

# 706 Q:

Did Nicole laugh?

# 707 A:

Absolutely.

# 708 Q:

Did Nicole show any signs of being upset by this?

# 709 A:

No.

# 710 Q:

Did she say anything to Mr. Simpson about that comment?

# 711 A:

I think everybody was just jesting around with the comment.

# 712 Q:

Who made the comment, Mr. Simpson?

# 713 A:

Yes. Actually, I think it was talk between O.J. and Faye that started it, you know, was the start of it, "What are you reading for? What is the script? What is it about?" You know, and that is how the conversation started.

# 714 Q:

And Mr. Simpson made a comment in this conversation that "Isn't it funny how Nicole is afraid of frogs and I am playing the role of FROGMAN"?

# 715 A:

Right.

# 716 Q:

And you did not see any signs of Nicole being upset by that?

# 717 A:

Not at all.

# 718 Q:

Did Faye comment to you later on about Nicole's reaction to that comment?

# 719 A:

No.

# 720 Q:

Did you see Mr. Simpson flirt with any other women during that time in Cabo?

# 721 A:

No.

# 722 Q:

Did you see him talk to any other women?

# 723 A:

No. Just our group, that was it.

# 724 Q:

Did Mr. Simpson describe any of the script in FROGMAN or the scenes in FROGMAN or the actions he would perform?

# 725 A:

He only described briefly what kind of script it was.

# 726 Q:

What did he say?

# 727 A:

That it was a script about an aging military guy that is putting together a team and like a detective-type story.

# 728 Q:

Did he tell you that it was written by an ex-Navy seal man?

# 729 A:

Yes.

# 730 Q:

Did he tell you about his conversations with this ex-Navy seal man?

# 731 A:

No.

# 732 Q:

Did he tell you his name?

# 733 A:

No.

# 734 Q:

Did he show you any movements or actions with a knife?

# 735 A:

No.

# 736 Q:

Can you recall any conversations that you had with Mr. Simpson about his relationship with Nicole during this Cabo trip?

# 737 A:

Other than the brief comment on the way back to the airport, no.

# 738 Q:

And did you have any discussions with either Nicole or Faye Resnick about Nicole's relationship with Mr. Simpson during this trip?

# 739 A:

Just that Faye and I thought that it was good to see them having a good time, enjoying each other.

# 740 Q:

You said that to one another?

# 741 A:

Right.

# 742 Q:

Now, after you went back to Los Angeles, when was the next time you heard from Mr. Simpson?

# 743 A:

That I spoke to him in person?

# 744 Q:

No, not in person. Spoke to him either in person or over the telephone or received a fax from him or any communication.

# 745 A:

April 30th I talked to him in person over the phone.

# 746 Q:

That was the next time?

# 747 A:

That was my birthday party, right.

# 748 Q:

So it was about a month later?

# 749 A:

Right.

# 750 Q:

And between April 3 and April 30 you had no contact at all with O.J. Simpson

# 751 A:

No.

# 752 Q:

is that true?

# 753 A:

That's right.

# 754 Q:

Now, your party was at your condominium on [Address Deleted]; correct?

# 755 A:

That's right.

# 756 Q:

And had that party been planned to your knowledge by Faye Resnick?

# 757 A:

Right.

# 758 Q:

And had it been planned to your knowledge as early as the trip to Cabo?

# 759 A:

I don't know.

# 760 Q:

Was there any talk about that party?

# 761 A:

No. I think initially she wanted to make it a surprise party, but then later it turned out not to be a surprise party.

# 762 Q:

How many people attended?

# 763 A:

Thirty people, thirty-five people.

# 764 Q:

All right. And did Mr. Simpson arrive at that party with Nicole?

# 765 A:

Right.

# 766 Q:

And they arrived together?

# 767 A:

Right.

# 768 Q:

Did you understand that he had just returned from Puerto Rico?

# 769 A:

Right.

# 770 Q:

And how did you know that?

# 771 A:

I think Faye was telling me that Well, actually the reason why the birthday party was moved from my birthday the 28th to the 30th was because O.J. was going to come back a couple of days late.

# 772 Q:

Why was the party moved? Just to accommodate O.J. Simpson?

# 773 A:

Faye thought that that is what she wanted to do.

# 774 Q:

Where is the calendar for that period of time?

# 775 A:

Right here.

# 776 Q:

Let me see that for a second. Your birthday was on April 28th?

# 777 A:

Right.

# 778 Q:

Which was a Thursday?

# 779 A:

Right.

# 780 Q:

And it was moved to April 30th, Saturday?

# 781 A:

Right.

# 782 Q:

Now, did you speak to Mr. Simpson at that party?

# 783 A:

Yes.

# 784 Q:

Did you speak to him alone at all?

# 785 A:

No. We were sitting on the couch.

# 786 Q:

Did you observe the interaction between Mr. Simpson and Nicole?

# 787 A:

Right.

# 788 Q:

And can you describe it for us, please.

# 789 A:

He was sitting on a chair at the moment and Nicole was sitting in front of him on the floor so and they were they seemed to enjoy their time. They just had a good time.

# 790 Q:

Was that the last time that you saw them together?

# 791 A:

Yes, I believe so. I believe so. We might have had another dinner in between, but I don't recall.

# 792 Q:

Did you say you had no private conversation with Mr. Simpson at that time?

# 793 A:

Right.

# 794 Q:

Now, the next day, did you talk to him about the party or about his relationship with Nicole?

# 795 A:

No.

# 796 Q:

Do you remember the next time that you spoke to O.J. Simpson after April 30 when you saw him at the party?

# 797 A:

Yes. I believe in the next couple of days after the party. Not the first day but the next couple of days afterwards.

# 798 Q:

In the beginning of May?

# 799 A:

Right.

# 800 Q:

And what was the occasion?

# 801 A:

Like I said, checking in with each other as friends to see how the other one was doing, and he was talking to me about how Nicole would be one day happy, one day not happy, one day everything would be fine, one day they had a fight, and he was just talking about how he doesn't want to do that anymore, he doesn't want to have that in his life anymore.

# 802 Q:

Now, tell me when that conversation occurred. And if you need to, look at your calendar, the one that you just described.

# 803 A:

Like I said, it must have been in the next few days after the birthday party.

# 804 Q:

Was it a telephone call?

# 805 A:

Yes.

# 806 Q:

And did that

# 807 A:

Several calls over, you know, a few days' period of time.

# 808 Q:

Can you separate them out in your mind or do they all run together?

# 809 A:

They all pretty much run together.

# 810 Q:

In these collective conversations Mr. Simpson talked to you about the problems he was having with Nicole; true?

# 811 A:

Correct.

# 812 Q:

Did this come as a surprise to you given that you had last observed them interacting positively on your birthday on April 30 and the immediately prior time you saw them together was in Cabo and they also interacted positively together?

# 813 A:

No, it didn't seem strange to me.

# 814 A:

And you had not talked to him at all about his relationship?

# 815 A:

Correct.

# 816 Q:

Had you heard from Faye Resnick or from Nicole about what was happening between Mr. Simpson and Nicole?

# 817 MR. LEONARD:

Object to the compound question.

# 818 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Yes and no. Sorry. I don't know how to answer with one.

# 819

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 820 Q:

Had you heard from Nicole about what was happening in her relationship with Mr. Simpson about the Cabo trip and your birthday party on April 30?

# 821 A:

No.

# 822 Q:

You had no discussions at all with Nicole

# 823 A:

No.

# 824 Q:

about that?

# 825 A:

No.

# 826 Q:

Had you had any interaction at all with Nicole between Cabo and April 30?

# 827 A:

Very little. Very little.

# 828 Q:

What do you remember?

# 829 A:

Just that she would come over and pick up the kids, if I would go over there and pick up Francesca, drop off Francesca, just to play with the kids.

# 830 Q:

Anything beyond that?

# 831 A:

No. I doubt it.

Q Did you talk with Faye Resnick between Cabo and your birthday party on April 30th about the relationship between Mr. Simpson and Nicole?

# 832 A:

Yes.

# 833 Q:

And did you have a number of conversations?

# 834 A:

Yes.

# 835 Q:

What did you learn about the relationship in those conversations?

# 836 A:

That it was going up and down.

# 837 Q:

What did Faye tell you?

# 838 A:

That they were going through difficult times.

# 839 Q:

Well, Mr. Simpson was off filming something in Puerto Rico?

# 840 A:

Right.

# 841 Q:

Did you question how they could be going through difficult times

# 842 A:

Right.

# 843 Q:

since he is not even with her?

# 844 A:

Right.

# 845 Q:

What did she say?

# 846 A:

Well, Mr. Simpson would talk to Faye on the phone and ask Faye why Nicole would be reacting certain ways, the way that she was, and then Faye would relay to me how Nicole and O.J. were going through difficult times.

# 847 A:

When you got back from Cabo, how long thereafter did Faye Resnick return?

# 848 A:

I returned on a Monday. I believe she returned on a Friday.

# 849 Q:

April what?

# 850 A:

7th.

# 851 Q:

Or thereabouts?

# 852 A:

Yes.

# 853 Q:

Did you and she talk over the telephone during the four or five days that you were in Los Angeles and she was still in Cabo?

# 854 A:

Perhaps once.

# 855 Q:

Was your conversation about Nicole's relationship with Mr. Simpson?

# 856 A:

No.

Q And when she came back, did she talk to you about that subject?

# 857 A:

No.

Q Did she tell you, "By the way, Nicole is splitting up with O.J. or is thinking about splitting up"?

# 858 A:

No.

# 859 Q:

Did she tell you that Nicole had met a man in Cabo?

# 860 A:

No.

# 861 Q:

Did she tell you about a man named Brett?

# 862 A:

No.

# 863 Q:

Have you ever heard about a man named Brett that Nicole and/or Faye Resnick met in Cabo?

# 864 A:

No.

# 865 Q:

To this day you have no knowledge about a man named Brett?

# 866 A:

The only knowledge I have is what I read in Faye's book. That's all.

# 867 Q:

When you read it, what did you think in terms of whether that was true or not?

# 868 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 869

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 870 Q:

Did you ask her or anybody any questions about it?

# 871 A:

No.

# 872 Q:

What did you read in her book?

# 873 A:

That Faye and Nicole had met two people down in Cabo and that Nicole ended up spending the night with one of them.

# 874 Q:

So when you heard that for the first time, or read that, you did not check into that or ask anyone about it; right?

# 875 A:

No.

# 876 Q:

Now, did there come a time when following Faye Resnick's return from Cabo she told you about problems in Nicole's relationship with Mr. Simpson?

# 877 A:

Yes.

# 878 Q:

What did she tell you?

# 879 A:

Just that they were having problems, they were going through difficult times.

# 880 Q:

Did she explain why?

# 881 A:

No.

# 882 A:

Did she explain anything that had caused these problems?

# 883 A:

No.

# 884 Q:

You do not remember any information she gave you at all?

# 885 A:

It is not that I don't remember. I didn't talk to Faye much at that time.

# 886 Q:

Well, you just said that she was talking with you about these problems.

# 887 A:

Briefly. You are asking me what all the things she said. At that time Faye and I did not interact very well at all, so whatever small polite conversations we had it was just they were having problems and I would say, well, okay, so I did not check into anything, I did not have lengthy conversations with her.

# 888 Q:

And you did not contact Mr. Simpson either

# 889 A:

No.

# 890 Q:

to find out what was going on from his end; right?

# 891 A:

No.

# 892 Q:

But you did know that Mr. Simpson was having telephone conversations with Faye Resnick about this; right?

# 893 A:

Right.

# 894 Q:

And those calls were coming into the condominium; is that correct?

# 895 A:

Right.

# 896 Q:

And you would be there when Faye was talking to him; right?

# 897 A:

Right.

# 898 Q:

Including when Mr. Simpson was in Puerto Rico; right?

# 899 A:

I don't know that which calls that he had, whether they were from Puerto Rico or not.

# 900 Q:

And there were a large number of calls during this time period?

# 901 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 902 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

They were probably talking once or twice a week, lengthy, right in right in the times right after Cabo.

# 903

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 904 Q:

And at no time, by the way, did you pick up the phone to talk to Mr. Simpson during these conversations he had with Faye Resnick; right?

# 905 A:

No.

# 906 Q:

And you could overhear from Ms. Resnick's side of the conversation that they were talking about, the problems that he was having with Nicole; right?

# 907 A:

Right.

# 908 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 909

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 910 Q:

And did you then inquire to Faye what was going on?

# 911 A:

No.

# 912 Q:

Could you tell from listening to one-half of the conversation what was going on? Did you get the gist of it, in other words?

# 913 A:

Yes. The gist of it was Faye trying to remain friends with both of them.

# 914 A:

Wasn't the gist of it that O.J. Simpson was trying to find out from Faye what was going on with Nicole?

# 915 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 916

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 917 Q:

Don't you remember that?

# 918 A:

I think that was part of it, yes.

# 919 Q:

And don't you remember that Mr. Simpson was getting no communication or receiving no communication from Nicole following the Cabo trip and he was trying to find out from Faye what had happened to her since they had such a good time together in Cabo?

# 920 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 921 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Right. And it just was also Faye trying to explain to O.J. why she and I were having problems, and that was basically the gist, two people talking about their respective difficulties in relationships.

# 922

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 923 Q:

Now, do you recall explanations or reasons that Faye Resnick gave to Mr. Simpson on the phone as to why Nicole was behaving the way she was?

# 924 A:

The gist of it was that Nicole just needed some time and space and Faye was trying to explain that to O.J.

# 925 Q:

Do you know whether Nicole was seeing a counselor or a therapist during this time frame?

# 926 A:

No.

# 927 Q:

By "this time frame" I mean April, May, and into June of 1994?

# 928 A:

No.

# 929 Q:

Did Faye see a counselor or a therapist during this time frame?

# 930 A:

No, not to my knowledge.

# 931 Q:

Okay. Now, you said that there came a time when you then had some conversations with Mr. Simpson, and I guess it was a couple of days after your party in the first week of May; right?

# 932 A:

Right.

# 933 Q:

And you said you had a couple of them and you cannot separate them out, that they all kind of run together; right?

# 934 A:

Right. We had several, more than a couple.

# 935 Q:

Now, apart from these telephone calls, did you ever have a time from your party through June 12 when you and O.J. Simpson sat down together and had a lengthy conversation about his problems with Nicole?

# 936 A:

No.

# 937 Q:

Did you ever have any conversation about Nicole in person with Mr. Simpson from April 30 to June 12?

# 938 A:

Can you repeat that. Whether I had

# 939 Q:

Yes. I am trying to figure out whether you were ever alone with Mr. Simpson in person where you talked about his problems or his relationship with Nicole from the date of your party until Nicole's death on June 12?

# 940 A:

No.

# 941 Q:

Did you ever see him at all during that time frame?

# 942 A:

Yes. I think we had a couple of dinners together.

# 943 Q:

Who went out for those dinners?

# 944 A:

Faye, Nicole, O.J., and I.

# 945 Q:

Can you identify the dates of those dinners?

# 946 A:

No.

# 947 Q:

Can you look at your calendar to see if that refreshes your recollection?

# 948 A:

I don't put dinner dates in here.

# 949 Q:

Do you know for a fact that there were such dinners following your party?

# 950 A:

I am pretty certain.

# 951 Q:

Why?

# 952 A:

Because that is what we used to do.

# 953 Q:

But this was a time when you and Faye were not talking to one another and when you were hearing that O.J. Simpson and Nicole were having problems; right?

# 954 A:

Yes.

# 955 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 956

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 957 Q:

But you still believe that given those facts that there were these dinners that the four of you went out on, or could it be that that was before the Cabo trip?

# 958 A:

It could be that it was before the Cabo trip. I know that four people exactly Ron and Cora also as a group of friends were still trying to figure out how to work things out.

# 959 Q:

But as you sit here today you cannot specifically recall going out with Mr. Simpson to an event, whether it be a dinner or something else, between April 30 your birthday and June 12; true?

# 960 A:

True.

# 961 Q:

And these dinners that you just mentioned might well have occurred before the Cabo trip right? and not after the Cabo trip?

# 962 A:

Yes. I am trying to figure it out in my head where these dates were.

# 963 Q:

And Cora and Ron Fischman were also having their difficulties, too; right?

# 964 A:

Right.

# 965 Q:

By the way, did you speak to Ron Fischman at all about this problem that he was having with Cora?

# 966 A:

When?

# 967 Q:

Let's say, any time after your birthday party through June 12th.

# 968 A:

I don't recall a particular time.

# 969 Q:

You don't recall?

# 970 A:

A particular time that I talked to him, but like I said, in that time we were trying to everybody was trying to figure out

# 971 Q:

Did you spend any time with Mr. Fischman alone?

# 972 A:

No.

# 973 Q:

Do you know whether he knew before June 12 of his wife's affair with [Name Deleted]?

# 974 A:

I don't believe that he knew.

# 975 Q:

Did you ever talk to Mr. Simpson about whether about that situation?

# 976 A:

About what situation?

# 977 Q:

Cora Fischman, Ron Fischman and [Name Deleted]?

# 978 A:

At what time?

# 979 Q:

After your birthday party

# 980 A:

After my birthday party.

# 981 Q:

before June 12?

# 982 A:

Yes, I am sure that we did.

# 983 Q:

Why are you sure?

# 984 A:

Because it was the other couple that was involved in a similar type of situation.

# 985 Q:

Can you remember any time when you were together with Mr. Simpson at all in person after your birthday party and before June 12th?

# 986 A:

No.

# 987 Q:

And it may well be that the two of you did not see each other in person during that time frame?

# 988 A:

Right. But talked over the phone quite a bit.

# 989 Q:

When you say "quite a bit," you were not close friends with him during this time frame?

# 990 A:

We were getting closer at the time because we were going through two similar things.

# 991 Q:

Did you take another trip to Cabo in May?

# 992 A:

Right.

# 993 Q:

Do you want to look at your calendar and tell me when that trip occurred.

# 994 MR. RUBALCAVA:

Can we turn the air conditioner down.

# 995 MR. PETROCELLI:

Sure.

# 996 (Discussion held off the record.)

# 997 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That was May 27 through the 30th, Memorial Day weekend.

# 998

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 999 Q:

Where did he stay in Cabo?

# 1000 A:

At the Palmina Hotel.

# 1001 Q:

Did you pay for that?

# 1002 A:

Yes.

# 1003 Q:

Who did you go with?

# 1004 A:

The [Name Deleted] family.

# 1005 Q:

Is that [Name Deleted] ?

# 1006 A:

Yes.

# 1007 Q:

And [Name Deleted]?

# 1008 A:

That's correct.

# 1009 Q:

And who else?

# 1010 A:

Faye.

# 1011 Q:

And anyone else?

# 1012 A:

The kids.

# 1013 Q:

Francesca?

# 1014 A:

Francesca.

# 1015 Q:

And the [Name Deleted] children?

# 1016 A:

And the [Name Deleted] children. And one of the [Name Deleted] daughter's is called Nicole, her boyfriend.

# 1017 Q:

Anyone else?

# 1018 A:

No. That was it.

# 1019 Q:

So your relationship with Faye had not obviously ended by this time; right?

# 1020 A:

Right.

# 1021 Q:

Was there any conversations with Nicole over the telephone during this trip to Cabo

# 1022 A:

No.

# 1023 Q:

that either you or Faye had?

# 1024 A:

That I had, no. That Faye had, I don't know.

# 1025 Q:

And did you have any conversations with Mr. Simpson during this time frame?

# 1026 A:

No.

# 1027 Q:

And do you recall whether you and the [Name Deleted]s and Faye Resnick were discussing the Simpsons and their relationship

# 1028 A:

No.

# 1029 Q:

and what was going on in it? No?

# 1030 A:

No.

# 1031 Q:

Now, prior to June 12 did you ever have any conversation with Mr. Simpson about the IRS issue that he was confronting Nicole about?

# 1032 A:

No.

# 1033 Q:

Did you know about it?

# 1034 A:

I knew about it from Faye.

# 1035 Q:

What did Faye tell you?

# 1036 A:

That Nicole was trying to have a residence at O.J.'s house because of some tax-related issue.

# 1037 Q:

What did she tell you about O.J. Simpson's conduct toward Nicole in that regard?

# 1038 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1039 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I didn't talk to her much about it.

# 1040

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1041 Q:

Did you know that Mr. Simpson was threatening her with IRS action? "Her," Nicole that is.

# 1042 A:

No.

# 1043 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Misstates the evidence.

# 1044

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1045 Q:

You didn't know that?

# 1046 A:

No.

# 1047 Q:

Did you know that Mr. Simpson had told Nicole that he would take every last penny that she had and put her out on the street?

# 1048 A:

No.

# 1049 Q:

Would that surprise you to learn that he had said such a thing to her?

# 1050 A:

Yes.

# 1051 Q:

Did he ever express to you that kind of hostility or venom about Nicole in his conversations with you?

# 1052 A:

No.

# 1053 Q:

Would it surprise you to learn that he sent a letter to Nicole telling her that she should refrain from getting him in trouble with the IRS?

# 1054 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1055 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Would it surprise me

# 1056

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1057 Q:

Right.

# 1058 A:

if I knew that

# 1059 Q:

Exactly. That he had gone that far as to write a letter with lawyers and so forth and have it hand-delivered by messenger to her home a week before she was killed.

# 1060 A:

Yes, I think it would surprise me.

# 1061 Q:

Did he tell you that he was doing so?

# 1062 (Witness shakes head.)

# 1063 Q:

Did he tell about that letter?

# 1064 A:

No.

# 1065 Q:

Did he tell you about a letter that he had written to Nicole saying you know, stay away from my housekeeper," did he tell you about that letter?

# 1066 A:

No.

# 1067 Q:

Did he tell you about all of the events for his children that he was not attending in the first two weeks of June because he was out of town?

# 1068 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1069 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 1070

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1071 Q:

Did he tell you that he was missing important events for his children

# 1072 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1073

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1074 Q:

(continuing) while he was playing golf with rich people in the East?

# 1075 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1076 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 1077

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1078 Q:

No?

# 1079 A:

No.

# 1080 Q:

Did he tell you about his trip to Connecticut?

# 1081 A:

No.

# 1082 Q:

Did he tell you about going to the Forschner board meeting and picking up knives and watches there?

# 1083 A:

No.

# 1084 Q:

Did he tell you about his friend [Name Deleted] in New York?

# 1085 A:

I know [Name Deleted] from New York but I am not quite understanding

# 1086 Q:

Prior to June 12 These are the things that were going on in Mr. Simpson's life, and I am trying to find out whether he shared any of these with you at all.

# 1087 A:

No. I just knew, as I said on Friday, that he was going on a trip towards the East Coast and I thought it was Florida.

# 1088 Q:

And he told you nothing about coming back on Sunday for a recital?

# 1089 A:

No.

# 1090 Q:

And he never even mentioned the recital to you; right?

# 1091 A:

No.

# 1092 Q:

Did he tell you about this event that he attended with Ms. Barbieri on Saturday night?

# 1093 A:

No.

# 1094 Q:

Where the then First Lady of Israel was in attendance?

# 1095 A:

No.

# 1096 Q:

Did he tell you about the fight he had with Paula Barbieri or argument, conflict with her?

# 1097 A:

No.

# 1098 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1099

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1100 Q:

Did he tell you about any of his interaction with Ms. Barbieri on Memorial Day weekend?

# 1101 A:

No.

# 1102 Q:

Did he tell you that he even saw her on Memorial Day weekend?

# 1103 A:

No.

# 1104 Q:

Did he tell you what he did on Memorial Day weekend?

# 1105 A:

No.

# 1106 Q:

Did Faye talk to you about Nicole hanging up on O.J. Simpson in the last 10 days of Nicole's life?

# 1107 A:

No.

# 1108 Q:

Now, before you went away to Cabo on Memorial Day weekend, Faye was not sleeping over Nicole's house then; right? This was after Memorial Day weekend; right?

# 1109 A:

Right.

# 1110 Q:

So you got back from the Memorial Day trip to Cabo when?

# 1111 A:

The 30th.

# 1112 Q:

Okay.

# 1113 A:

Memorial Day, the evening.

# 1114 Q:

And Faye spent June 8th at your house, the night of the intervention; right?

# 1115 A:

Right.

# 1116 Q:

And on the morning of the 9th you took her to Exodus; right?

# 1117 A:

That's correct.

# 1118 Q:

The evening of the 30th you and Faye spent together at your condominium; right?

# 1119 A:

Right.

# 1120 Q:

The evening of June 7th Faye spent at the [Name Deleted]s, is that right?

# 1121 A:

The evening of the 7th, Tuesday, right.

# 1122 Q:

Or was it at your place?

# 1123 A:

No. I am pretty sure that she spent it at Nicole's or at the [Name Deleted]s.

# 1124 Q:

The [Name Deleted]s; right? The 7th right?

# 1125 A:

At that time she was staying at different people's houses.

# 1126 Q:

What I am trying to find out is how many nights can you tell us for sure that Faye Resnick spent at the home of Nicole on Bundy? And we now have narrowed it down starting with May 31 through June 6th May 31, June 1, June 2, June 3, June 4, June 5, June 6. There is seven days their, okay.

Now, during those seven days tell us how many of them you know for sure that Faye spent at the house of Nicole?

# 1127 A:

I don't know.

# 1128 Q:

And how many she spent at the house of the [Name Deleted]s?

# 1129 A:

I think she only spent one night at the [Name Deleted]s.

# 1130 Q:

And you think that that was what night?

# 1131 A:

I don't know. I'm not sure. And actually the days before Cabo at times she would spend time at Nicole's.

# 1132 Q:

I am now talking about when she, in effect, moved out of your place as you were testifying about on Friday. Okay?

# 1133 A:

I am not Faye's keeper. I don't know where she spent her nights.

# 1134 Q:

But you do know if she is not spending them with you?

# 1135 A:

Right.

# 1136 Q:

You slept at the [Address Deleted] condominium during this entire period of time

# 1137 A:

That's correct.

# 1138 Q:

as opposed to some other place; right?

# 1139 A:

No. Actually the 4th and 5th I went to San Diego.

# 1140 Q:

June 4th and June 5th you were out of town those two nights?

# 1141 A:

Right.

# 1142 Q:

So you do not know whether Faye spent those in her condo or not; right?

# 1143 A:

That's correct.

# 1144 Q:

You never took her keys away; right?

# 1145 A:

No.

# 1146 Q:

So it is fair to say that you don't know how many nights she spent at Nicole's house during the first 12 days of June; true?

# 1147 A:

That's correct.

# 1148 Q:

You do not even know if she spent any nights there, do you?

# 1149 A:

That's right. Well, no, that is not correct. I know that she called me in San Diego, repeatedly throughout the night from Nicole's house.

# 1150 Q:

What night was that?

# 1151 A:

That would be Saturday the 4th.

# 1152 Q:

And what was the

# 1153 MR. PETROCELLI:

Off the record for a second.

# 1154 (Discussion held off the record.)

# 1155 MR.PETROCELLI:

Back on. What was the last question that I asked?

(The record was read as follows:

"Q: What night was that?

That would be Saturday the 4th.")

# 1156

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1157 Q:

What was Faye calling you about repeatedly on the evening of June 4?

# 1158 A:

She was checking in whether I was having somebody over, and we were having a friend over, a girl over at this friend's of mine place in San Diego.

# 1159 Q:

Who were you staying with?

# 1160 A:

[Name Deleted]

# 1161 Q:

She thought you were seeing another woman or something?

# 1162 A:

Yes.

# 1163 Q:

What did you tell her?

# 1164 A:

No.

# 1165 Q:

Now, did she tell you what she and Faye Resnick what she and Nicole were doing that evening?

# 1166 A:

No.

# 1167 Q:

During this period of time, let's say, starting from after your birthday party, May and up through the first 12 days of June when Nicole was killed, did you come across any information from anybody Mr. Simpson, Mr. Fischman, Cora Fischman, Nicole, whoever that Faye Resnick was having any kind of relationship, intimate relationship with Nicole?

# 1168 A:

No.

# 1169 Q:

Or that Faye Resnick and Nicole were having intimate relations with other men, threesomes?

# 1170 A:

No.

# 1171 Q:

Anything like that?

# 1172 (Witness shakes head.)

# 1173 Q:

Excuse me?

# 1174 A:

No.

# 1175 Q:

Or that they were going with dangerous people?

# 1176 A:

No.

# 1177 Q:

Or that they were going out with people who you felt might be a threat to their safety?

# 1178 A:

No.

# 1179 Q:

Or that they had received any threats on their lives?

# 1180 A:

No.

# 1181 Q:

Or anyone had threatened them?

# 1182 (Witness shakes head.)

# 1183 Q:

"Them" of course being Nicole and Faye Resnick?

# 1184 A:

No.

# 1185 Q:

So it is fair to say that prior to June 12 you did not receive any information whatsoever that in your mind led you to believe that Faye's life was in danger; true?

# 1186 A:

Right.

# 1187 Q:

Or that Nicole's life was in danger; true?

# 1188 A:

Right.

# 1189 MR. PETROCELLI:

We can break here for lunch.

# 1190 (At the hour of 12:33 p.m. a luncheon recess was taken, the deposition resume at 1:30 p.m.)

# 1191 (At the hour of 1:50 p.m. the deposition of CHRISTIAN H. REICHARDT was resumed at the same place, the same persons being present with the exception of Mr. Fredric Goldman.)

# 1192 (Plaintiffs' Exhibits 169 through 172 were marked for identification by the reporter are attached hereto.)

# 1193

EXAMINATION (Resumed)

# 1194

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1195 Q:

Mr. Reichardt, you gave a statement to the District Attorney's office on November 29, 1994; right?

# 1196 A:

Yes. I believe that's the date.

# 1197 Q:

With Christopher Darden and investigator Dana Thompson?

# 1198 A:

Right.

# 1199 Q:

And your attorney Mr. Rubalcava was present?

# 1200 A:

Right.

# 1201 Q:

Did you answer all the questions truthfully?

# 1202 A:

Yes.

# 1203 Q:

And you did not omit anything important in response to the questions; right?

# 1204 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1205 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Not that I am aware.

# 1206

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1207 Q:

And you would have said the same thing had you been under oath; right?

# 1208 A:

Absolutely.

# 1209 MR. RUBALCAVA:

I think you were sworn, weren't you?

# 1210 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I was sworn in.

# 1211

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1212 Q:

You were put under oath?

# 1213 A:

Yes.

# 1214 MR. RUBALCAVA:

I believe so, and I believe there was a court reporter there.

# 1215 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Yes.

# 1216 MR. LEONARD:

It does not indicate that in the transcript.

# 1217 MR. PETROCELLI:

It says at the beginning of the transcript on page 1, it says "Christian Reichardt, called as a witness, testified as follows," but it does not literally indicate whether you were put under oath.

# 1218 MR. RUBALCAVA:

But he was.

# 1219 MR. PETROCELLI:

But you would have said the same thing and your lawyer has indicated that you were put under oath. Okay.

I am not going to bother marking this as an exhibit to the deposition, but let me just ask you a question or two.

# 1220 Q:

At page 16 of the transcript of that interview you were asked about the phone calls between O.J. Simpson and Faye Resnick that were made to your residence and specifically about the phone call in which Mr. Simpson said he would kill Nicole.

# 1221 MR. LEONARD:

I object to the characterization.

# 1222

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1223 Q:

And you said on page 16 starting at line 11, "I think he called her. At that time for about a two-week period of time Faye and O.J. would talk on the phone for hours, each other calling." That's true right? that that's what happened?

# 1224 A:

Right.

# 1225 Q:

You say down at line 18, "And I think O.J. was trying to find out what's up with Nicole, because if he would call Nicole he couldn't talk to her. Faye was one of was Nicole's best friend at the time and O.J. was trying to find out where Nicole's head's at, so he would call the house and get into these long conversations with Faye about what's happening with Nicole and him." And all of that is true; correct?

# 1226 (Witness nods head.)

# 1227 Q:

That is what O.J. Simpson was trying to do; right?

# 1228 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1229

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1230 Q:

True?

# 1231 A:

I think they were both trying to do that.

# 1232 Q:

But what you said here, what I just read to you was true; right?

# 1233 A:

Right.

# 1234 Q:

That wasn't a lie, right?

# 1235 A:

No.

# 1236 Q:

You were not making that up; right?

# 1237 A:

No.

# 1238 Q:

On page 23 of the transcript you are talking about a telephone conversation that you had with O.J. Simpson, I think the last time you spoke to him before Nicole's death, and starting at line 9, the question was, "He called your house?" And your answer, "Yeah, actually Faye called to tell O.J. to talk to me." And then I will continue.

"That I am such a terrible person for not marrying her. So O.J. got on the phone and, you know, Faye brought the phone up to me and O.J. and I talked about that. I said, 'I don't know what's wrong with our ladies.' And I said, 'Faye is definitely going off the deep end here.' And O.J. said, 'and I'm splitting town, you know, I don't want to deal with this anymore, I'm getting out of this."' That is true; right?

# 1239 A:

Right.

# 1240 MR. LEONARD:

I am just going to object that

# 1241

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1242 Q:

That is what O.J. Simpson said to you?

# 1243 A:

Yes.

# 1244 MR. LEONARD:

it mischaracterizes his earlier testimony.

# 1245

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1246 Q:

That is what O.J. Simpson said to you; right?

# 1247 A:

Right.

# 1248 Q:

He said, "I'm splitting town, you know, I don't want to deal with this anymore, I'm getting out of this"; true?

# 1249 A:

Right

# 1250 Q:

And he said this to you in a telephone call; true?

# 1251 A:

He talked about the same kind of issue over a period of time, yes.

# 1252 (Telephone interruption )

# 1253 (Discussion held off the record.)

# 1254 MR. PETROCELLI:

Could I have his last answer read back.

# 1255 (The record was read as follows: A: He talked about the same kind of issue over a period of time, yes.")

# 1256

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1257 Q:

You told the prosecutor that O.J. Simpson said to you, "I'm splitting town, you know, I don't want to deal with this anymore, I'm getting out of this"? It is true that O.J. Simpson said that to you; right?

# 1258 A:

Right.

# 1259 Q:

And he said that to you in the last telephone conversation that you and he had weeks before the murder; correct?

# 1260 A:

One of the last. I don't specifically recall whether it was the last, but it was in that time period. That was the gist of the conversation, yes.

# 1261 Q:

And O.J. Simpson told you in substance that Nicole was driving him crazy; correct?

# 1262 A:

Yes.

# 1263 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1264

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1265 Q:

Excuse me?

# 1266 A:

Yes.

# 1267 Q:

In this same conversation and series of conversations; correct?

# 1268 A:

Yes.

# 1269 Q:

By the way, it was Faye who broke off the relationship or the engagement with you, not the other way around; true?

# 1270 A:

No.

# 1271 Q:

Isn't it true that on the second trip to Cabo it was Faye who said, "As far as I am concerned, our engagement was off"; isn't that true?

# 1272 A:

That's correct. And then two hours later she came and apologized profusely.

# 1273 Q:

Well, you told the prosecutors as follows:

"Question by Darden: Well, who was it that broke off the engagement? You?

"Answer: No.

"Question: Okay.

"Answer: It was Faye. Our trip, second trip to Mexico, not with the Simpsons, that she walked into the room after we had flown down there with friends and she just said, 'as far as I am concerned, our engagement is off."' That is the end of the answer. That is the testimony that you gave to the prosecutors right? the statements that you gave to the prosecutor; correct?

# 1274 A:

Right.

# 1275 Q:

And that statement was correct; right?

# 1276 A:

But not finished. Nobody asked me further to explain that later Faye came and apologized and was wanting to try to get back together.

# 1277 Q:

But that statement that you made was true?

# 1278 A:

That's correct, right.

# 1279 Q:

I want to ask you whether Nicole ever told you about a phone call that she had with O.J. Simpson and then a subsequent conversation on June 3 and on June 2 of 1994.

Have you ever seen these notes before? They are notes in Nicole's handwriting.

# 1280 A:

No.

# 1281 Q:

Nicole's entry starts with Sunday, May 22, 1994. It says, "We've officially split. I told O.J. we are going back to every other weekend." And then she talks about arrangements for the children.

Did you ever have any conversations with Nicole about her official split with Mr. Simpson?

# 1282 A:

No.

# 1283 Q:

Did you have any conversations with Mr. Simpson about that?

# 1284 A:

No.

# 1285 Q:

With Faye Resnick?

# 1286 A:

No.

# 1287 Q:

Did you know that Mr. Simpson had given Nicole some very valuable jewelry?

# 1288 A:

I heard about it.

# 1289 Q:

From?

# 1290 A:

Faye.

# 1291 Q:

And did you know that Nicole returned that jewelry to him when she broke off the relationship for good?

# 1292 A:

I knew that Nicole had given it back to him.

# 1293 Q:

When did you find that out?

# 1294 A:

Probably in the middle of May, approximately middle of May.

# 1295 Q:

From whom?

# 1296 A:

From Faye.

# 1297 Q:

Did she tell you why?

# 1298 A:

No.

# 1299 Q:

Did she tell you what jewelry it was?

# 1300 A:

No.

# 1301 Q:

Did she tell you the circumstances under which it was given to Nicole by Mr. Simpson?

# 1302 A:

No.

# 1303 Q:

Did you have any understanding why Mr. Simpson would give Nicole such valuable jewelry for her birthday in the middle of May of 1994?

# 1304 MR.LEONARD:

Object. Lack of foundation.

# 1305 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 1306

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1307 Q:

And did you have any information as to the circumstances concerning why Nicole returned the jewelry?

# 1308 A:

As far as I knew, Nicole and O.J. were going through difficult times so I have no knowledge as to why she would have done that, no.

# 1309 Q:

Do you have any knowledge as to why Mr. Simpson would be giving her this valuable jewelry if he were trying to truly move on with his life?

# 1310 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1311 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 1312

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1313 Q:

No?

# 1314 A:

No.

# 1315 Q:

Are you aware of any blowup in the car between O.J. Simpson and Cora Fischman?

# 1316 (Witness shakes head.)

# 1317 Q:

Any argument between them in the last months of Nicole's life?

# 1318 A:

No.

# 1319 Q:

Did you have conversations with Cora directly?

# 1320 A:

No. Since when?

# 1321 Q:

Before Nicole's death.

# 1322 A:

No.

# 1323 Q:

And you have seen her

# 1324 A:

Yes.

# 1325 Q:

since Mr. Simpson's release from jail?

# 1326 A:

Right.

# 1327 Q:

She is a patient of yours?

# 1328 A:

Right.

# 1329 Q:

And you talked about Mr. Simpson from time to time?

# 1330 A:

Rarely.

# 1331 A:

Did you hear from anyone about O.J. Simpson's not taking the kids or being attentive to the kids in the last month of Nicole's life?

# 1332 A:

No.

# 1333 Q:

And did you hear about Nicole hanging up on O.J. on June 2?

# 1334 A:

No.

# 1335 Q:

Now, Nicole writes in these notes, and I don't know exactly what to call these other than her notes on June 3, "O.J. came to pick up kids at 8:30 p.m. They wanted to stay home because I let them organize sleepovers at last minute, thought daddy wasn't coming. Told O.J. I would drop them off first thing in the morning." Did you come across any information about that incident?

# 1336 A:

No.

# 1337 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1338 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No.

# 1339

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1340 Q:

Let me read on, and perhaps it will refresh your recollection.

"He," referring to O.J., "said okay." Then, quoting O.J. Simpson, "You hung up on me last night. You are going to pay for this, Bitch. You are holding money from the IRS. You are going to jail, you f******g c**t. You think you can do any freaking thing you want. You've got it coming. I have already talked to my lawyers about this, Bitch. They will get you for tax evasion, Bitch. I will see to it. You are not going to have a f***ing dime left, Bitch," et cetera. Now, did you ever come across any information about this confrontation between O.J. Simpson and Nicole?

# 1341 A:

No.

# 1342 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation. BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1343 Q:

Do you have any information as to whether Nicole would make up something like this?

# 1344 A:

Q Did you know her to make up things in her conversations or dealings with you?

# 1345 A:

No.

# 1346 Q:

Did you know her to fabricate events that did not occur?

# 1347 A:

No.

# 1348 Q:

Did you know her to lie to you?

# 1349 A:

Obviously.

# 1350 Q:

About?

# 1351 A:

About her interactions with Faye.

# 1352 Q:

Not telling you about Faye's taking of drugs, assuming she was taking drugs?

# 1353 A:

And having their intimacy. There's a number of things.

# 1354 Q:

But rather than not telling you certain things, did you know her to affirmatively make up things that did not occur

# 1355 A:

No.

# 1356 Q:

that were a complete fabrication and figment of her imagination?

# 1357 A:

No. Q Did you ever have that experience with her?

# 1358 A:

No.

# 1359 Q:

Did Mr. Simpson ever tell you that Nicole had done such things?

# 1360 A:

No.

# 1361 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1362

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1363 Q:

Has anyone ever told you that Nicole made up such things

# 1364 A:

No.

Q or would make things up against O.J. Simpson?

# 1365 A:

No.

# 1366 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1367

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1368 Q:

Have you ever discussed with Mr. Simpson his belief as testified to in his deposition that Nicole invented all of these things because she had a vivid imagination?

# 1369 A:

No.

# 1370 Q:

When Mr. Simpson told you that Nicole was driving him nuts and that he was going to split town and get himself out of it, he did not tell you about his fight with Nicole over the IRS issue?

# 1371 (Witness shakes head.)

# 1372 Q:

Or any other issue?

# 1373 A:

No.

# 1374 Q:

Her seeing other men?

# 1375 A:

No.

# 1376 Q:

He did not express any feelings to you about what she was doing and how it affected him?

# 1377 A:

No. The conversation was about that it was not working out between them and he was leaving.

# 1378 Q:

Okay. While we were off the record, I had marked as Exhibit 169 your Day-Timer for the period July to December of 1994.

Will you confirm that that is Exhibit 169?

# 1379 A:

Yes, it is.

# 1380 Q:

And Exhibit 170 your Day-Timer for January through June of 1995, will you confirm that?

# 1381 A:

Yes, it is.

Q And Exhibit 171 your Day-Timer for July to December of 1995, will you confirm that?

# 1382 A:

Yes.

# 1383 Q:

Okay. And I attached as Exhibit 172 the notes that you made in contemplation of writing the book about the O.J. Simpson case; is that right?

# 1384 A:

# 1385 Q:

Exhibit 172?

# 1386 A:

It is not about the O.J. Simpson case.

# 1387 Q:

What is it about?

# 1388 A:

It is a book about ethics and how people interact and what they do in their life.

# 1389 Q:

But the genesis of it is the O.J. Simpson case; right?

# 1390 A:

The genesis of it is the course of events that happened at that point in my life.

# 1391 Q:

Starting with this O.J. Simpson situation right? Nicole's death, his being accused of it, and the ethical issues that have been in your mind spawned as a result of that; right?

# 1392 A:

No. Actually, the thought process happened way before this case, and a lot of the thoughts had come out of the relationship that I had with Faye and prior to.

# 1393 Q:

Well, the truth of the matter is before the O.J. case, and by that I mean before Nicole's death and Mr. Simpson standing accused for her murder, you never wrote down any of these notes, did you?

# 1394 A:

That's correct.

# 1395 Q:

These notes all came about after the O.J. Simpson situation?

# 1396 A:

The notes came. The thought process was before that.

# 1397 Q:

But you never really got serious enough to put pen to paper until the O.J. Simpson

# 1398 A:

That's correct.

# 1399 Q:

situation; right?

# 1400 A:

That's correct.

# 1401 Q:

And you were going to do a book deal on these notes; right?

# 1402 A:

Yes.

# 1403 Q:

And you were actually contemplating doing a co-authorship with Faye Resnick?

# 1404 A:

No.

# 1405 Q:

You never discussed that with her?

# 1406 A:

No.

# 1407 Q:

Now, all of the notes here, and a number a of pages are in typewritten form and a number are handwritten are all yours; right?

# 1408 A:

That's correct.

# 1409 Q:

All of the statements are yours; right?

# 1410 A:

That's correct.

# 1411 Q:

And nobody helped you write them; right?

# 1412 A:

No.

# 1413 Q:

There is a symbol that I am pointing to on one of the handwritten pages, a triangle. that is that symbol for in your notes?

# 1414 A:

My symbol for change.

# 1415 Q:

Change, the Delta sign?

# 1416 A:

Right.

# 1417 Q:

And what is the word right before that Delta sign? I am referring to the first page of your handwritten notes.

# 1418 MR. LEONARD:

Are we on the first page of handwritten notes?

# 1419 MR. PETROCELLI:

Yes.

# 1420 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Faye's.

# 1421

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1422 Q:

I see. I am looking at the third page of handwritten notes, and I can't read all the writing there. Why don't you take a look at the original. There is a reference to $5,000 and 60 hours and so forth. Can you read that to me.

# 1423 A:

The first line says dollar sign.

# 1424 Q:

Dollars?

# 1425 A:

"Dollars from O.J. Worked 60 hours on Playboy info. Made up Gizmo."

# 1426 Q:

"Gizmo," what is the Gizmo?

# 1427 A:

The Gizmo is the little workout exercise banner.

# 1428 Q:

You made that?

# 1429 A:

Was paid $5,000 for which calculates out to about $83 an hour.

# 1430 Q:

What does the rest of that say?

# 1431 A:

Much less than in office.

# 1432 Q:

What does that mean?

# 1433 A:

It means that I made in that particular instance less dollars than I would working in the office.

# 1434 Q:

You are trying to show that you are not profiting from O.J. Simpson; right?

# 1435 A:

This was I wrote this page as a result of an interview that Faye did relatively recently.

# 1436 A:

Down at the very bottom there is a reference to children, what does that say?

# 1437 A:

Children, they love him, they jump on dad and hug him. That is in reference to how his children are behaving to him at this time.

# 1438 Q:

At this time?

# 1439 A:

Right. Recently.

# 1440 Q:

Since he has been out of jail?

# 1441 A:

Right.

# 1442 Q:

When did you write this page right here?

# 1443 A:

This was probably about a month ago, two months ago.

# 1444 Q:

Let me ask you a question. These typewritten pages, when were they written?

# 1445 A:

Those were written through '95.

# 1446 Q:

And going to the first

# 1447 A:

These, I would say, probably December of '94 through September.

# 1448 Q:

Of?

# 1449 A:

Of '95.

# 1450 Q:

What is?

# 1451 A:

The typed notes.

# 1452 Q:

The typed notes. Now go to the handwritten notes.

# 1453 A:

The handwritten notes would be after that.

# 1454 Q:

Starting when and going to when?

# 1455 A:

From the middle of last year until a month ago, two months ago, something like that.

# 1456 Q:

Have you told O.J. Simpson about this contemplated book?

# 1457 A:

No.

# 1458 Q:

Now, you have a statement on the top of one of these pages that says, amazing how many people did not come forward in order not to it looks like become involved or be involved. Do you see that right here (indicating)?

# 1459 A:

Yes.

# 1460 Q:

Who are those people?

# 1461 A:

Well

# 1462 Q:

Name them.

# 1463 A:

I think Ron Fischman, I think Cora. You know, there are a number of people that have not gone as public as a lot of other people have.

# 1464 Q:

Are you actually saying, then, that the number of people who have not come forward is amazing, indicating a staggering number.

# 1465 A:

I think that a lot

# 1466 Q:

Who are those people besides Cora and Ron.

# 1467 A:

I think

# 1468 Q:

Cora was on The Barbara Walters Show so she did come forward; right?

# 1469 A:

Yes. But, you know, there is a way of coming forward and there is a way of coming forward.

# 1470 Q:

Do you think Cora has more to say, you mean?

# 1471 A:

I don't know what she said in the deposition with you, but I know that she has not stepped in the media saying

# 1472 Q:

Is it fair to say that you are referring to people who should come forward on behalf of O.J. Simpson to speak out in his defense; is that a fair statement?

# 1473 A:

No. This has nothing to do with O.J. Simpson. It has to do with, I think, people are scared about the process.

# 1474 Q:

Well, when you say it does not have to do about O.J. Simpson, you are talking about people coming forward to talk about their knowledge of this case; right?

# 1475 A:

Right.

# 1476 Q:

And Cora is one of them; right?

# 1477 A:

Yes.

# 1478 Q:

And what do you understand Cora Fischman to know that is so important about this case?

# 1479 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1480 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I think that, you know, her belief of what happened. She hasn't fully She hasn't gone into the media and exploited it.

# 1481

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1482 Q:

What do you understand her belief of what happened to be?

# 1483 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1484 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That O.J. is innocent.

# 1485

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1486 Q:

And did she explain why O.J. is innocent to you?

# 1487 A:

No. But she explained to me that that is what she believed.

# 1488 Q:

And what about By the way, have you spoken to her since her deposition was taken?

# 1489 A:

No.

# 1490 Q:

Have you talked to her about whether she still has that belief now?

# 1491 A:

No.

# 1492 Q:

What about Ron Fischman?

# 1493 A:

I haven't talked to him in probably a couple of years, a year-and-a-half or whatever.

# 1494 Q:

What would Ron Fischman have to say had he come forward?

# 1495 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation, speculation.

# 1496

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1497 Q:

To your knowledge.

# 1498 A:

His understanding of O.J. and Nicole's relationship.

# 1499 Q:

What did he understand to your knowledge?

# 1500 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Same objection.

# 1501 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That they were having a really difficult time before the murders, that they were really working hard to try to figure things out but it didn't work.

# 1502

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1503 Q:

And do you have an understanding whether Ron Fischman believes that Mr. Simpson is innocent?

# 1504 A:

I don't know.

# 1505 Q:

Guilty?

# 1506 A:

I don't know.

# 1507 Q:

Who else did not come forward who knows about the facts of this case?

# 1508 A:

I don't know whether they know about the facts of the case, but, you know, I think some people have opted to not be vocal about it, about what their knowledge is.

# 1509 Q:

Who are they?

# 1510 A:

[Name Deleted], for example.

# 1511 Q:

What does [Name Deleted] know to your knowledge?

# 1512 A:

I am not sure what he knows, but I just know that there was an absence

# 1513 Q:

Do you know what his opinion is on Mr. Simpson's guilt?

# 1514 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1515 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I don't know.

# 1516

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1517 Q:

Anyone else besides [Name Deleted], Cora Fischman, and Ron Fischman?

# 1518 A:

No.

# 1519 Q:

You say in here, "One friend is dead, the other in jail, accused. I only have interest in finding out what really happened, the truth will set one self free." But, in fact, you have done nothing to find out what really happened; true?

# 1520 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1521 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

That's right.

# 1522

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1523 Q:

True?

# 1524 A:

Yes.

# 1525 Q:

You don't really have a genuine interest in finding out what really happened; right?

# 1526 A:

Wrong.

# 1527 Q:

You have had plenty of opportunity, perhaps more than anyone, to ask O.J. Simpson what really happened and you never did; right?

# 1528 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1529 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

But it is not my job see. It is not my job in my life to find out what happened on that particular end of the case, although I have a tremendous interest in finding out, but I am not going to

# 1530

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1531 Q:

I didn't say it was your job. No one is suggesting that it is your job. But even though you have a tremendous interest in finding out what really happened and even though you have had a tremendous opportunity to find out by asking Mr. Simpson, you have not done so; is that right?

# 1532 A:

That's right.

# 1533 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1534

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1535 A:

If Mr. Simpson told you that he killed Ron and Nicole, would you still be his friend?

# 1536 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1537 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I can't answer that question with a yes or no.

# 1538

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1539 Q:

Why not? Suppose he said, "I did it. You really want to know what happened, I did it." Would you still be his friend?

# 1540 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1541 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Give me a few days' time to think about the answer.

# 1542

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1543 Q:

You would have to think about it for a few days?

# 1544 A:

I think

# 1545 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1546

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1547 Q:

Excuse me?

# 1548 A:

I think it is an extremely difficult question to answer.

# 1549 Q:

And you would have to think about it for a few days before you could decide whether to be his friend or not; true?

# 1550 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1551 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I guess if you give me five days' time, I will give you an answer.

# 1552

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1553 Q:

Two days and now five days. How many days would you need?

# 1554 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1555 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

Let's not get into the argument about time. It's ridiculous.

# 1556

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1557 Q:

I just want an answer to my question.

# 1558 A:

I cannot give you an answer.

# 1559 Q:

You need a couple of days to find out whether you would still be his friend or not?

# 1560 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1561 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

I couldn't give you an answer other than I would need time to find it out, yes.

# 1562

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1563 Q:

Now, the third page from the end appears, Mr. Reichardt, to be a chronology. Why don't you read this to me so that I do not miss anything on this starting with June 8. You have your handwritten m account of events from June 8, it looks like, to June 12; right?

# 1564 A:

No. Actually fall of '90 through 11-29.

# 1565 Q:

Is that part of the same chronology?

# 1566 A:

That's right.

# 1567 Q:

Okay. I see. The last page this is obviously out of order starts the chronology; right?

# 1568 A:

It starts with Fall '90 at the top of the page.

# 1569 Q:

Why don't you read that starting with that page.

# 1570 A:

"Fall '90 met Faye.

"December '91 Faye moved in.

"March '92 Betty Ford.

"October '92 moved out.

"December '92 Faye and Nicole go on vacation.

"June '93 Faye moved back in

"October- December of '93 got much closer. Discussed Juice Plus. Jet lag video travel exercises.

"1-9 '94 O.J. outline done.

"1-l9 Acapulco Restaurant O.J. came with Nicole. Pursued Playboy video thing.

"3-18 Faye surgery. Start with pills.

"3-21 O.J. Playboy meeting.

"4-41 - 4-4 Easter trip Cabo.

"4-15 - 4-17 Laughlin.

"4-30 my birthday party postponed two days for O.J. to be there. He asked.

"5-6 went to concert in Pepperdine. Saw some music alone because mentally separated.

"5-27 - 5-30 Cabo again with Faye. Memorial Day did not get along well."

With an arrow pointed between 5-6 and 5-27, "Faye started staying at Nicole's often."

"6-4 San Diego.

"6-8 ready to go on vacation. Get call from Paul Resnick to meet at Petit Four Restaurant 8:00. Nicole showed up late. Told me about freebase since just before Cabo trip Easter. I decided to not go and do intervention. Called friends to meet at 11:00 home. Called cousins house. She said Faye went home with Francesca. Met her at home. Argument. 11:00 intervention."

# 1571 Q:

Let me stop you right there. Who was the cousin?

# 1572 A:

My cousin. [Name Deleted]

# 1573 Q:

And do you have her phone number?

# 1574 A:

[Deleted phone number]

# 1575 Q:

You, Paul Resnick, and Nicole met at a restaurant?

# 1576 A:

Right.

# 1577 Q:

And that was on what date? June 8?

# 1578 A:

June 8.

# 1579 Q:

8 o'clock?

# 1580 A:

Right.

# 1581 Q:

Was there any conversation there at all about O.J. Simpson and her relationship with 1 Mr. Simpson?

# 1582 A:

No.

# 1583 Q:

The sole subject matter was Faye Resnick?

# 1584 A:

Correct.

# 1585 Q:

Continue. June 9.

# 1586 A:

"9 Exodus Marina del Rey.

"Nicole called how I was. Discussed Francesca. Nic didn't want to talk about it.

"6-11 visited Faye family session.

"6-12 visited Faye p.m. arrow home. Nic called to see how I was about 5:30. O.J. called about 9:00. Talked about Paula. Life easier. Happy. Laughing. Someone there asked about game. Said will come back Wednesday and make plans for dinner. Happy, jovial.

"6-13 Office see patients. Busy day. 10:00 Paul Resnick called about Nic killed.

# 1587 Q:

And there is another page to this?

# 1588 A:

Yes.

# 1589 Q:

Keep going.

# 1590 A:

"We talked if Faye was safe. If it was a drug thing. Both felt it was possible. Discussed if we should have her go to his ranch in Idaho. But only people knew where she was, so she was safe. Called Albert at Exodus. Asked him how to handle it. They were going to talk to her and to stay available. Went to see her that night. Slept with gun by my side. She stayed two weeks inpatient then came out. Coexisted only she had no place to go.

"8-4 Sturgis trip. Faye gone when I came back.

"10-17-18-19 Spent time with her and Francesca for Francesca's sake.

"11-29 deposition with Mr. Darden."

At the bottom it says, "Threatening phone calls in December. Wrote my attorney and asked her to never call again."

# 1591 Q:

Asked who?

# 1592 A:

Faye.

# 1593 Q:

Now, you wrote all of these notes long after the events in question; right?

# 1594 A:

Right

# 1595 Q:

Looking back?

# 1596 (Witness nods head.)

# 1597 Q:

And what materials, if any, did you use to reconstruct these events, the dates, the times?

# 1598 A:

The Day-Timers.

# 1599 Q:

And if the information does not appear in the Day-Timer, it was from your memory?

# 1600 A:

Right.

# 1601 Q:

For example, what O.J. Simpson said to you on the evening of June 12 and your description of his demeanor and so forth, that is not in your Day-Timer; right?

# 1602 A:

That's correct.

# 1603 Q:

In fact, nothing is in your Day-Timer of any substance concerning these comments in your notes; right?

# 1604 A:

From that particular day?

# 1605 Q:

From any of these events.

# 1606 A:

Just times of travel arrangements.

# 1607 Q:

Not what was said, who said what, who was there?

# 1608 A:

No.

# 1609 Q:

None of that. That was all from your memory; right?

# 1610 A:

That's correct.

# 1611 Q:

And when did you prepare this chronology?

# 1612 A:

Probably in the earlier part of last year.

# 1613 Q:

Did you do it at one sitting?

# 1614 A:

Yes.

# 1615 Q:

How long did it take?

# 1616 A:

A couple of hours.

# 1617 Q:

Why did you do it?

# 1618 A:

To keep in my To get clarity in my mind as to what the sequence of events were and how things progressed.

# 1619 Q:

Was this in anticipation of testifying at the criminal trial?

# 1620 A:

No.

# 1621 Q:

Was it after you testified?

# 1622 A:

I think it was done before, but it was not in anticipation for that.

# 1623 Q:

But before you testified?

# 1624 A:

Right.

# 1625 Q:

And did you discuss Did you do this alone?

# 1626 A:

Yes.

# 1627 Q:

And did you discuss it with anyone?

# 1628 A:

No. Actually, I think I mentioned it to you that I was doing it at some time.

# 1629 MR. RUBALCAVA:

You may have.

# 1630

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1631 Q:

Could you go to the one page that has at the top I can't read the heading. What is that (indicating)?

# 1632 A:

"Accusations."

# 1633 Q:

"Accusations" to what?

# 1634 A:

"CHR," me.

# 1635 Q:

Excuse me?

# 1636 A:

"CHR."

# 1637 Q:

That's you. Accusations to you?

# 1638 A:

To Chris, yes.

# 1639 Q:

Now, on the second side of that page, on the back side of it, could you read starting in the middle of the page.

# 1640 A:

Yes. "Some people new cars, houses, it's their new job pays well. They want to continue it. For example, Faye, Denise. Faye on Geraldo talking about O.J.'s next moves. Kim Goldman into deposition. She is not a plaintiff no reason to be there."

# 1641 Q:

Let me stop you right there. What is this reference concerning Kim Goldman?

# 1642 A:

Just one day I was sitting at the television and I saw Kim Goldman on the television

# 1643 Q:

Yes.

# 1644 A:

being very vocal.

# 1645 Q:

About what?

# 1646 A:

About why she was not in the deposition.

# 1647 Q:

And that troubled you?

# 1648 A:

Well, no, it didn't trouble me, but it makes me wonder why people do the things they do.

# 1649 Q:

Why she would want to attend the deposition

# 1650 A:

Right.

# 1651 Q:

of the man she believes murdered her brother?

# 1652 A:

Right.

# 1653 Q:

You think that is something that you cannot understand?

# 1654 A:

I don't know whether she is a plaintiff in the case or not.

# 1655 Q:

Does that make a difference to you?

# 1656 A:

Yes. If somebody is not a plaintiff in the case, they should not be at a deposition.

# 1657 Q:

What is this thing about Faye's talking about O.J. Simpson's next moves? What is that in reference to?

# 1658 A:

That is just one thing that I switched channels and it was Faye on, that she knows what O.J.'s next moves were.

# 1659 Q:

What were they?

# 1660 A:

How did she know? I didn't know.

# 1661 Q:

But you wrote that down. What was your purpose in writing this down, this business about Kim Goldman and Faye's talking on the Geraldo show?

# 1662 A:

It is my observation of what people do and why people do it.

# 1663 Q:

What is your point for writing it on paper, is this for use in your book

# 1664 A:

No.

# 1665 Q:

-on this ethics issue?

# 1666 A:

No. This is my thought processing and remembering trying to remember, giving me impetus as to why people do things.

# 1667 Q:

Why do you care about that to the point where you would write that down. What is your fascination with all of this?

# 1668 MR. LEONARD:

Objection. Argumentative.

# 1669 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

No fascination.

# 1670

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1671 Q:

Why would you sit there with a piece of paper and write down that Kim Goldman wants to attend the deposition of O.J. Simpson?

# 1672 A:

No fascination. Just thoughts.

# 1673 Q:

This has nothing to do with possible use later on down the road with your book?

# 1674 A:

No. This one didn't.

# 1675 Q:

Do you take notes and then share them with Mr. Simpson?

# 1676 A:

No.

# 1677 Q:

Strategize

# 1678 A:

# 1679 Q:

as team members?

# 1680 A:

No.

# 1681 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1682

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1683 Q:

What is the last paragraph?

# 1684 A:

"Media screw ups change of info continues post verdict. Three jurors upset. How one shows that they now would give different verdict. On Larry King they complained it's a lie."

# 1685 Q:

"They complained it's a lie"?

# 1686 A:

Yes.

# 1687 Q:

When did you make these notes on this page?

# 1688 A:

I guess this was The front part of this was I think Faye doing one television show, I don't know which one it was, but those were the things that she was talking about, so I guess this must have been at the same time, whichever one it was. Recently when she was doing a slew of different shows.

# 1689 Q:

Is this a running commentary that you are keeping on these pages?

# 1690 A:

No. I haven't done anything with it anymore since then.

# 1691 Q:

Now, at the top of that page could you read that.

# 1692 A:

"Good about case. It brought some issues forward. Physical abuse, some race problems, some rogue cops, DA can be challenged, truth persists."

# 1693 Q:

Could you go to the prior page and could you read the last section there.

# 1694 A:

The front of that?

# 1695 Q:

Yes.

# 1696 A:

"Questions, 1, about abuse. I condone not abnormal violence, mental, emotional, or physical. O.J. and Nicole not only people getting physical especially" I can't read my own handwriting there, the last word. "Faye described abuse situation's not true. I have total different view."

# 1697 Q:

Stop right there. How did O.J. Simpson and Nicole get physical?

# 1698 MR.LEONARD:

Objection. Lack of foundation.

# 1699

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1700 Q:

To your knowledge.

# 1701 MR. LEONARD:

Objection.

# 1702 CHRISTIAN REICHARDT:

To my knowledge that one incident, that I have seen pictures of but that's it.

# 1703

BY MR. PETROCELLI:

# 1704 Q:

And did you talk to O.J. Simpson about that at all?

# 1705 A:

No.

# 1706 Q:

You never once asked him if he struck Nicole or hit Nicole or what happened?

# 1707 A:

No.

# 1708 Q:

And he has never volunteered that to you?

# 1709 A:

No.

# 1710 Q:

So you have had no conversations whatsoever about his history of abuse or his abuse of Nicole?

# 1711 A:

No.

# 1712 Q:

So you don't know what happened; right?

# 1713 A:

Right.

# 1714 Q:

So what is your totally different view on this?

# 1715 A:

No. Faye described abuse situation's not true. I have totally different view on what Faye describes.

# 1716 Q:

You are not talking about situations where O.J. Simpson struck Nicole; right?

# 1717 A:

No. I am talking about the situations that Faye describes in her book.

# 1718 Q:

You mean the restaurant

# 1719 A:

The restaurant.

# 1720 Q:

incidents that you were present at?

# 1721 A:

Right.

# 1722 Q:

Can you read on.

# 1723 A:

"2, O.J. making money. You don't want him to make money, only if you think he is guilty," which is ignorant, I think. The people that screamed loudest are the ones that made the most money on it."

# 1724 Q:

Okay.

# 1725 A:

"3, children." I think we did that earlier. "They love him. Jump on Dad. Hug him."

# 1726 Q:

Okay. Now, could you go up to the top where it says "Accusations to Christian Reichardt, drugs, stopped 1981." What is the next line?

# 1727 A:

Chris and Faye write book together bullshit. Darden in court said himself I asked Faye and me not to speak. Obviously I'm not in the media at this time."

# 1728 Q:

And who made an accusation that you were going to write a book with Faye Resnick?

# 1729 A:

Faye.

# 1730 Q:

And that was not true from your perspective; right?

# 1731 A:

Not only from my perspective.

# 1732 Q:

But from hers too?

# 1733 A:

She knows that that's a lie.

# 1734 Q:

Did she tell you?

# 1735 A:

No. She knows.

# 1736 Q:

Have you spoken to Faye Resnick recently?

# 1737 A:

No.

# 1738 Q:

When was the last time?

# 1739 A:

That I spoke to her it was probably in December of '94 when I asked her to not ever contact me again.

# 1740 Q:

Have you read her deposition?

# 1741 A:

No.

# 1742 MR. PETROCELLI:

What I am going to do at this time is defer to one of the other lawyers because I want to read some notes that I have, but otherwise I am through.

# 1743

EXAMINATION

Temperature

tense

Key Quotes (5)

Christian Reichardt

She said, 'He is going to kill her if she keeps doing this driving him crazy.'

Reichardt recounts Faye Resnick's report of Simpson's threat against Nicole, approximately one month before the murders — the most damaging testimony in this session.

Christian Reichardt

I said, 'Well, you know, that is a figure of speech.'

Reichardt's immediate effort to minimize the death threat at the time it was relayed to him, which Petrocelli methodically undermines by establishing Reichardt had no way to hear Simpson's tone or intent.

Daniel Petrocelli

He has talked to your client 100 times since he got out of jail. It is clear what has been going on here and your client's effort to co-opt and convert witnesses.

Petrocelli openly accuses the Simpson defense team of witness-tampering, naming Leonard by name — unusually aggressive even for a civil deposition.

Christian Reichardt

Mr. Petrocelli, I don't have anything to hide... You are trying to do your job, and I am just telling you the truth.

Reichardt positions himself as a cooperative, neutral witness — but his consistent minimization of Simpson-related red flags undercuts this self-presentation.

Christian Reichardt

It was very loving and happy. They were — they seemed pretty happy at the time.

Reichardt's description of Simpson and Nicole in Cabo San Lucas, directly contradicting any narrative of escalating violence leading up to the murders.

Evidence (4)

Informal

Pocket Day-Timers for July 1994 through December 1995 (three volumes), plus January–June 1994 produced the prior week

Produced under subpoena, identified for copying and later marking as exhibits

Informal

Yellow folder containing typewritten notes (10 pages), pink handwritten notes (7 pages), and additional handwritten pages — Reichardt's research toward a book about the OJ Simpson case

Produced under subpoena; Petrocelli reviews privately and defers examination

Informal

Bank statement showing a $5,000 transaction between Reichardt and OJ Simpson

Referenced but not yet produced; held by Reichardt's accountant, promised for forwarding

Informal

1996 Day-Timer with telephone address book (rewritten from 1994 original, which was discarded)

Reviewed by Petrocelli in session; contained approximately 10–15 entries connected to Simpson's circle

Notable Exchanges (4)

Daniel Petrocelli•Dominick W. Rubalcava•Dan Leonard

Petrocelli objects strenuously to Rubalcava consulting with Reichardt mid-answer on the question of whether the June 12 phone call was unique. A heated three-way dispute erupts over whether counsel may confer before a pending question is answered.

heated

Daniel Petrocelli•Dan Leonard

Petrocelli accuses Leonard of having met with Reichardt twice and working to co-opt him as a witness; Leonard objects to the characterization. Petrocelli presses on, stating the record speaks for itself.

heated

Daniel Petrocelli•Christian Reichardt

Petrocelli methodically establishes that Reichardt was not on the phone during the Simpson–Resnick call, could not hear Simpson's voice, and therefore has no basis to characterize Simpson's 'kill Nicole' statement as a figure of speech — while Reichardt repeatedly tries to insert that qualifier.

strategic

Daniel Petrocelli•Christian Reichardt

Extended exchange about the precise details of looking at a clock when the June 12 phone call came in — position on the couch, direction of gaze, size of clock face, distance — probing the reliability of the 9:00 p.m. time fix.

procedural

Light Moments (1)

Christian Reichardt

Petrocelli asks about the 'FROGMAN' script Simpson was filming in Puerto Rico; Reichardt describes a group scene on the patio where everyone laughed about Nicole's fear of frogs juxtaposed with Simpson's role.

Credibility Attacks (3)

⚔ Christian Reichardt

Bias / prior relationship with Simpson

Petrocelli establishes that Simpson called Reichardt roughly 100 times post-acquittal, that Reichardt socialized extensively with Simpson, and that Reichardt immediately minimized the death threat as a 'figure of speech' with no basis for that interpretation since he never heard Simpson's voice.

⚔ Christian Reichardt

Destruction of evidence (address book)

Petrocelli notes that Reichardt threw away his 1994 telephone address book and rewrote it fresh in 1996, eliminating the contemporaneous record of contacts.

⚔ Faye Resnick

Drug impairment of witness perception

Reichardt repeatedly volunteers that Resnick was 'high' during and after the phone call with Simpson, which Petrocelli explicitly sets aside as Dan Leonard's territory — but the seed is planted that Resnick's agitation may have been drug-induced rather than content-driven.

Witness Demeanor

(Witness nods head.) — used multiple times instead of verbal affirmatives, prompting Petrocelli to repeatedly remind him to answer audibly

(Witness shakes head.) — when asked about the Faye Resnick/death threat episode, then immediately corrected to 'correct' when pressed

(Indicating) — when estimating clock diameter with fingers, drawing Petrocelli's skepticism about the size

Objections

14 objections (0 sustained, 0 overruled)

Proceeding 9017 • 1743 utterances • Plaintiff witness

Deposition Trial

Department 103