📄 Redirect examination of Philip Vannatter (part 1) — Tuesday, March 21, 1995
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Redirect examination of Philip Vannatter (part 1)

Witness: Det. Philip Vannatter
Examiner: Christopher Darden
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Tuesday, March 21, 1995 • Utterances: 343
Darden rehabilitates Vannatter on redirect, walking him through the theory that OJ's cut left hand is explained by the glove being lost during the struggle at Bundy, and establishing that socks found in OJ's bedroom were tested for the victims' blood. Darden also reinforces that the two gloves appear to be a matched pair, defends Vannatter's blood-vial handling as proper procedure, and draws out that Vannatter did not treat OJ as a suspect at 5am — meaning no SWAT protocol was warranted. A sustained string of speculation objections by Shapiro blocked Darden's attempt to walk the jury through the killer's movements at Rockingham.
1 THE COURT:

MR. DARDEN.

2

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

3

BY MR. DARDEN:

4 Q:

DETECTIVE VANNATTER, THERE WAS NO CUT ON THE LEFT-HAND GLOVE THAT YOU FOUND AT BUNDY?

5 A:

NO.

6 Q:

BUT THERE WAS A CUT ON THE DEFENDANT'S HAND WHEN YOU FIRST SAW HIM?

7 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, LEADING.

8 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

9 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: WAS THERE A CUT ON THE DEFENDANT'S HAND WHEN YOU FIRST SAW HIM?

10 A:

YES.

11 Q:

WHAT SIGNIFICANCE, IF ANY, DO YOU ATTACH TO --

12 A:

I BELIEVE THE WAY THE CUT OCCURRED DURING THE --

13 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, SPECULATION.

14 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

15 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

I BELIEVE DURING THE STRUGGLE THE LEFT-HAND GLOVE WAS LOST AND DROPPED ON THE GROUND AND THAT IS WHEN THE CUT OCCURRED, WHEN THE HANDS WERE NOT PROTECTED.

KEY QUOTE
16 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. SO IS IT SIGNIFICANT THEN, SIGNIFICANT AT ALL THAT THERE WAS NO CUT ON THE LEFT-HANDED GLOVE, AS DESCRIBED BY MR. SHAPIRO?

17 A:

NO. THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT.

18 Q:

MR. SHAPIRO ASKED YOU YESTERDAY IF YOU FOUND ANY BLOODY CLOTHING AT THE DEFENDANT'S HOME. DO YOU RECALL THAT QUESTION?

19 A:

YES, I DO.

20 Q:

AND WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER AT THE TIME?

21 A:

YES.

22 Q:

WHAT BLOODY CLOTHING WAS FOUND BY THE LAPD AT THE DEFENDANT'S HOME?

23 A:

A PAIR OF THE DEFENDANT'S SOCKS FROM HIS BEDROOM.

24 Q:

WERE THOSE SOCKS SUBMITTED FOR TESTING, IF YOU KNOW?

25 A:

YES.

26 Q:

WERE THEY TESTED FOR BLOOD?

27 A:

YES.

28 Q:

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S BLOOD WAS FOUND ON THOSE SOCKS?

29 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, CALLS FOR SPECULATION AND HEARSAY.

30 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

31 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: WERE THOSE SOCKS TESTED FOR THE PRESENCE OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S BLOOD?

32 A:

YES.

33 Q:

WERE THEY TESTED FOR THE PRESENCE OF RONALD GOLDMAN'S BLOOD?

34 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, HEARSAY, YOUR HONOR.

35 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

36 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

YES.

37 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: AND WERE THEY TESTED FOR THE PRESENCE OF THE DEFENDANT'S BLOOD?

38 A:

YES.

39 Q:

AND ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT THE TEST FINDINGS ARE AS THEY RELATE TO THE SOCKS?

40 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, HEARSAY.

41 THE COURT:

HE CAN ANSWER YES OR NO, BUT THE RESULTS ARE HEARSAY.

42 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

YES.

43 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: OKAY. YOU HAVE TOLD US THAT AT SOME POINT, AT ONE POINT ON JUNE 13TH YOU CONSIDERED THE DEFENDANT A SUSPECT; IS THAT RIGHT?

44 A:

YES.

45 Q:

OKAY. GIVEN YOUR AWARENESS OF THE TEST FINDINGS, THAT IS, THE TESTING OF THE SOCKS IN THIS CASE --

46 THE COURT:

I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN THE COURT'S OWN OBJECTION. I ASSUME WE WILL GET TO THAT EVENTUALLY.

47 MR. DARDEN:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

48 THE COURT:

YOU ARE WELCOME.

49 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: YOU WATCHED DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TESTIFY; IS THAT CORRECT?

50 A:

PART OF IT, YES; NOT ALL OF IT.

51 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU HAVE TESTIFIED HERE IN COURT TODAY AND YESTERDAY, RIGHT?

52 A:

YES, SIR.

53 Q:

OKAY. AND WHILE YOU WERE WATCHING DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TESTIFY, WAS THERE A POINT WHERE YOU FELT THAT HIS -- HIS RECALL WAS DIFFERENT FROM YOURS?

54 A:

WELL, I THINK THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY CASE. I THINK THAT IS A NORMAL THING.

55 Q:

OKAY.

56 A:

TWO PEOPLE DON'T PERCEIVE THE SAME THING OR THE SAME OCCURRENCE THE SAME WAY.

57 Q:

WE DON'T ALL REMEMBER THE SAME THINGS?

58 A:

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

59 Q:

OKAY. DID YOU ATTEMPT TO SHIFT OR CHANGE YOUR TESTIMONY OR MODIFY YOUR FUTURE TESTIMONY TO FIT DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S?

60 A:

NO, SIR. MY TESTIMONY IS BASED ON MY RECOLLECTION OF THE EVENTS.

61 Q:

YOU DIDN'T SEND A SWAT TEAM INTO THE DEFENDANT'S HOME?

62 A:

I DID NOT.

63 Q:

WHY NOT?

64 A:

BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I HAD THERE. IF -- IF I HAD KNOWN THAT HE WAS A MURDER SUSPECT AT THAT POINT OR KNOWN THAT SOMEONE WAS A HOSTAGE AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AS A FIELD TACTICAL SITUATION. TO CALL IN PEOPLE AT THAT POINT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT I HAD THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS STRAIN AND WASTE OF MANPOWER, AND BEFORE YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH IN A FIELD SITUATION.

65 Q:

WELL, HAD YOU CONSIDERED THE DEFENDANT A SUSPECT AT FIVE O'CLOCK THAT MORNING?

66 A:

NO, SIR.

67 Q:

YOU DID NOT?

68 A:

NO.

69 Q:

WELL, HAD YOU CONSIDERED HIM A SUSPECT, WOULD YOU HAVE APPROACHED HIS HOME OR HIS RESIDENCE IN A MANNER DIFFERENT FROM THE APPROACH YOU AND THE OTHER DETECTIVES USED?

70 A:

ABSOLUTELY.

71 Q:

WHAT DIFFERENCES WOULD YOU HAVE CONSIDERED?

72 A:

YOU ARE DEALING WITH A FELONY SUSPECT AT THAT POINT. I WOULD HAVE HAD THE DETECTIVES PUT ON PROTECTIVE ARMOR. I WOULD HAVE US PUT ON RAID JACKETS THAT IDENTIFIES US AS LOS ANGELES POLICE OFFICERS.

I WOULD HAVE HAD UNIFORMED OFFICERS ACCOMPANY ME. I WOULD HAVE HAD OFFICERS STATIONED AT THE FRONT AND THE REAR OF THE LOCATION TO PRECLUDE ANY POSSIBLE ESCAPE. AND IF I -- AND IF I WOULD HAVE DETERMINED THAT HE WAS IN AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE DOOR, WE WOULD HAVE FORCED ENTRY INTO THE LOCATION.

KEY QUOTE
73 Q:

YOU DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT IN THIS CASE?

74 A:

I DID NOT, NO, SIR.

75 Q:

NOW, YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU ASKED KATO KAELIN IF THERE WAS AN EXTRA SET OF KEYS TO THE BRONCO?

76 A:

YES.

77 Q:

OKAY. WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER DETECTIVE FUHRMAN ADVISED YOU THAT HE FOUND THE GLOVE AT THE DEFENDANT'S HOME?

78 A:

IT WAS AFTER.

79 Q:

NOW, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US ALREADY THE BLOOD TRAIL FROM THE BRONCO -- FROM THE BRONCO LEADING INTO THE DEFENDANT'S FRONT DOOR; IS THAT CORRECT, DETECTIVE?

80 A:

YES, SIR.

81 Q:

OKAY. NOW, YOU'VE ALSO DESCRIBED FOR US YOUR FINDING OF THE GLOVE, OR RATHER, YOUR VIEWING OF THE GLOVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEFENDANT'S PROPERTY, RIGHT?

82 A:

YES.

83 Q:

OKAY. NOW, YOU DIDN'T FIND ANY BLOOD DROPS IN THE AREA OF THE GLOVE FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM?

84 A:

I DID NOT.

85 Q:

BUT YOU DID FIND BLOOD DROPS AT BUNDY?

86 A:

YES.

87 Q:

NOW, WHAT IS THE SURFACE COMPOSED OF, THAT IS, THE SURFACE AT BUNDY WHERE YOU FOUND BLOOD DROPS?

88 A:

IT IS A -- IT IS A CEMENT -- CEMENT WALKWAY THAT RUNS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE -- OF THE RESIDENCE AND RUNS EAST AND WEST FROM THE FRONT WALKWAY TO THE ALLEY.

89 Q:

OKAY. AND THE SURFACE WHERE YOU FOUND OR RATHER WHERE DETECTIVE FUHRMAN FOUND THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM, WHAT IS THAT SURFACE COMPOSED OF?

90 A:

THAT IS ALSO A CEMENT SURFACE THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE THAT WAS HEAVILY COVERED WITH DEBRIS AND LEAVES AND --

91 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
92 MR. DARDEN:

IF WE CAN JUST PULL UP 116, YOUR HONOR, THE GLOVE BOARD.

93 THE COURT:

YES. MR. FAIRTLOUGH.

94 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
95 MR. DARDEN:

WE CAN LEAVE IT BACK THERE.

96 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
97 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 116, DETECTIVE --

98 A:

MAY I STEP DOWN?

99 Q:

PLEASE.

100 (WITNESS COMPLIES.)
101 Q:

ARE THE LEAVES ON THE WALKWAY AS DEPICTED IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, DETECTIVE?

102 A:

YES, SIR.

103 Q:

THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE, AREN'T THEY?

104 A:

YES, SIR, THEY ARE.

105 Q:

DID YOU PICK UP EACH AND EVERY LEAF ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY AND EXAMINE IT?

106 A:

I DID NOT, NO, SIR.

107 Q:

DID YOU TURN EACH LEAF OVER AND EXAMINE IT?

108 A:

NO. I DID NOT.

109 Q:

YOU TOLD MR. SHAPIRO THAT YOU FOUND NO BLOOD ON THE FENCE OR ON THE GATE OR ON THE WALL?

110 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

111 Q:

THAT IS IN THE SOUTH SIDE AREA, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEFENDANT'S PROPERTY?

112 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

113 Q:

OKAY. STEP BACK UP, PLEASE.

114 A:

THANK YOU. (WITNESS COMPLIES.)

115 Q:

BUT YOU DID FIND BLOOD IN THE DRIVEWAY?

116 A:

AT ROCKINGHAM, YES.

117 Q:

YES. IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT THE PERSON WHO DROPPED THE GLOVE CLIMBED OVER THE FENCE AT ROCKINGHAM?

118 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, CALLS FOR SPECULATION.

119 THE COURT:

IT IS LEADING, "IS IT YOUR OPINION THAT." LEADING.

120 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO HOW THE PERSON WHO DROPPED THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM ENTERED THE PROPERTY?

121 MR. SHAPIRO:

CALLS FOR SPECULATION. OBJECTION.

122 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

123 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

YES.

124 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: HOW?

125 A:

I BELIEVE THEY -- I BELIEVE HE USED A KEY TO COME THROUGH THE ROCKINGHAM GATE AFTER PARKING THE VEHICLE IN THE STREET THERE, JUST NORTH OF THE GATE, WALKED DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

126 Q:

WHICH GATE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

127 A:

THE ROCKINGHAM GATE.

128 Q:

DID YOU HAVE A KEY TO THE ROCKINGHAM GATE?

129 A:

NO.

130 Q:

IN ADDITION TO NOT -- WELL, STRIKE THAT. THE PERSON THAT DROPPED THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON WAS ACTUALLY BLEEDING AS THEY WALKED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

131 MR. SHAPIRO:

I'M GOING TO OBJECT, YOUR HONOR.

132 THE COURT:

BASIS?

133 MR. SHAPIRO:

SPECULATION.

134 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

135 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON THAT DROPPED THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM WAS BLEEDING AT THE TIME?

136 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION.

137 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

138 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON WHO DROPPED THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM HAD HIS LEFT HAND IN HIS POCKET AT SOME POINT?

139 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION.

140 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

141 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON WAS CARRYING ANYTHING?

142 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION.

143 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

144 MR. SHAPIRO:

ASK THE JURY TO DISREGARD THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING.

145 THE COURT:

PROCEED.

146 MR. DARDEN:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

147 Q:

YOU TOLD US THAT YOU DID NOT FIND -- OR HAVE NOT FOUND THE MURDER WEAPON?

148 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

149 Q:

IS THAT UNCOMMON IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THAT IS, NOT TO FIND THE MURDER WEAPON?

150 A:

NO. THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL.

151 Q:

ARE YOU SURPRISED AT ALL THAT YOU HAVEN'T FOUND THE MURDER WEAPON?

152 A:

NO.

153 Q:

WHY NOT?

154 A:

THE KNIFE IS A VERY EASY ITEM TO DISPOSE OF. IT COULD BE DISPOSED OF ANY PLACE. I HAVE CASES THAT I HAVE NEVER FOUND THE BODIES ON, SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL NOT TO FIND A MURDER WEAPON.

155 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON THAT COMMITTED THESE MURDERS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISPOSE OF THE MURDER WEAPON?

156 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION.

157 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

158 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: WHAT TIME DID YOU ARRIVE AT THE MURDER SCENE?

159 A:

AT BUNDY?

160 Q:

YES.

161 A:

4:05 IN THE MORNING.

162 Q:

OKAY. WHAT TIME DID YOU FIRST MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDANT?

163 A:

PERSONAL CONTACT?

164 Q:

YES.

165 A:

SHORTLY AFTER 12:00 NOON THE FOLLOWING DAY, OR THE SAME DAY, I'M SORRY.

166 Q:

OKAY.

167 A:

THE 13TH OF JUNE.

168 Q:

DID YOU HAVE THE DEFENDANT UNDER SURVEILLANCE BETWEEN 10:00 P.M. SUNDAY NIGHT AND 12:00 NOON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY?

169 A:

NO, SIR.

170 Q:

YOU TOLD US THAT YOU TOOK NO NOTES UPON YOUR INITIAL ARRIVAL AT ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT CORRECT?

171 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

172 Q:

IS THAT UNUSUAL OR UNCOMMON, THAT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU DID NOT TAKE NOTES UPON YOUR ARRIVAL AT ROCKINGHAM?

173 A:

IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL. AFTER ARRIVING THERE AND TO MERELY MAKE A DEATH NOTIFICATION, THE SITUATION QUICKLY ESCALATED INTO WHAT I CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE NOTES. WE NOTED THE TIME THAT WE LEFT TO GO TO ROCKINGHAM IN OUR CHRONOLOGICAL, WHICH COVERED IT.

174 Q:

OKAY. AND THE PHONE CALLS THAT YOU AND DETECTIVE PHILLIPS MADE THAT DAY, ARE THOSE CALLS LOGGED SOMEWHERE?

175 A:

I DIDN'T MAKE ANY, BUT THERE IS PHONE BILLS ON THE PHONE CALLS THAT DETECTIVE PHILLIPS MADE, YES.

176 Q:

OKAY. AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS OBSERVED AT ROCKINGHAM THAT DAY, HAS THAT EVIDENCE BEEN PRESERVED SOMEHOW?

177 A:

YES.

178 Q:

AND DID YOU MEMORIALIZE SOMEHOW WHERE AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THE EVIDENCE WAS FOUND?

179 A:

YES.

180 Q:

HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

181 A:

IT IS MEMORIALIZED IN THE FOLLOW-UP REPORT. IT IS MEMORIALIZED IN THE SEARCH WARRANT AND IT IS MEMORIALIZED BY THE CRIMINALIST WHO I DIRECTED TO PROTECT AND RECOVER THE EVIDENCE.

182 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IS IT MEMORIALIZED IN PHOTOGRAPHS AS WELL?

183 A:

DEFINITELY, YES. THAT IS PART OF THE CRIMINALIST'S FUNCTION ALSO, WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHER.

184 Q:

WHEN YOU WERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE AT ROCKINGHAM, DID YOU CHECK THE DOORS, THAT IS, THE DOOR TO THE LAUNDRY ROOM OR ANY OTHER DOOR ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE?

185 A:

I DID NOT.

186 Q:

DID ANYONE ELSE?

187 A:

I BELIEVE MY PARTNER DID.

188 Q:

DETECTIVE LANGE HERE?

189 A:

YES.

190 Q:

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

191 A:

HE TOLD ME.

192 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION, HEARSAY; MOTION TO STRIKE.

193 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. THE JURY IS TO DISREGARD THE LAST QUESTION AND ANSWER.

194 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: YOU DO KEEP SOMETHING KNOWN AS A CHRONO LOG OR CHRONOLOGICAL LOG; IS THAT CORRECT?

195 A:

YES.

196 Q:

THAT IS A LOG THAT YOU KEEP IN THE FILE THAT WE COMMONLY REFER TO AS A MURDER BOOK; IS THAT RIGHT?

197 A:

YES.

198 Q:

OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHRONOLOGICAL LOG?

199 A:

THE CHRONOLOGICAL LOG IS A DAILY REFERENCE TO ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE DURING THE COURSE OF THE MURDER INVESTIGATION.

IT MERELY INDICATES THAT A CERTAIN ACTIVITY TAKES PLACE, NOT WHAT THE CONCLUSIONS OR WHAT -- WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE, MERELY THAT THAT ACTIVITY TOOK PLACE.

200 Q:

OKAY. DO YOU MAKE A NOTE OF EVERYTHING OR EACH AND EVERY OCCURRENCE THAT MAY HAPPEN DURING THE DAY?

201 A:

NO, SIR. THAT WOULD ALMOST BE IMPOSSIBLE. WE WOULD BE DOING NOTHING BUT MAKING NOTES IF WE DID THAT.

202 Q:

WELL, WITH REGARD TO THE DRAWING OF THE BLOOD, THAT IS, THE SAMPLE DRAWN FROM THE DEFENDANT, IS THE DATE AND TIME OF THAT OCCURRENCE MEMORIALIZED SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW?

203 A:

YES, IT IS.

204 Q:

WHERE?

205 A:

IT IS MEMORIALIZED ON THE CONSENT FORM THAT WAS SIGNED BY MR. SIMPSON.

206 Q:

AND THE DATE AND TIME ON WHICH YOU GAVE THAT BLOOD VIAL TO THE CRIMINALIST, MR. FUNG, IS THAT MEMORIALIZED SOMEWHERE?

207 A:

YES, SIR, IT IS.

208 Q:

WHERE?

209 A:

IT IS MEMORIALIZED IN MR. FUNG'S NOTES.

210 Q:

IS THERE ANYTHING IMPROPER AT ALL ABOUT YOUR TRANSPORTING THE BLOOD VIAL FROM PARKER CENTER OUT TO ROCKINGHAM TO THE CRIMINALIST, MR. FUNG?

211 MR. SHAPIRO:

OBJECTION.

212 THE COURT:

GROUNDS?

213 MR. SHAPIRO:

SELF-SERVING.

214 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

215 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

NO. I AM ONE OF THE DETECTIVES IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION. IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS COLLECTED AND SECURED.

KEY QUOTE
216 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING YOU WROTE ON THE MORNING OF JUNE 13TH?

217 A:

I BELIEVE THE FIRST THING I WROTE WAS MY ARRIVAL TIME AT -- AT BUNDY, AND THEN AFTER THAT I BEGAN TO WRITE A STATEMENT ON KATO KAELIN.

218 Q:

OKAY. AND DID YOU PRESERVE THOSE NOTES?

219 A:

YES.

220 Q:

AND WHAT WAS THE NEXT THING THAT YOU WROTE?

221 A:

THE SEARCH WARRANT.

222 Q:

WHAT TIME, IF YOU RECALL, WAS IT THAT YOU FIRST SAW THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM?

223 A:

I BELIEVE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 6:15 TO 6:30.

224 Q:

AND WHAT TIME DID YOU BEGIN WRITING THE SEARCH WARRANT?

225 A:

BETWEEN 7:45 AND EIGHT O'CLOCK.

226 Q:

AND WAS THE SEARCH WARRANT THE SECOND THING, OR RATHER, THE THIRD THING THAT YOU WROTE THAT MORNING?

227 A:

YES.

228 Q:

DID YOU DESCRIBE THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM IN THE SEARCH WARRANT?

229 A:

YES.

230 Q:

DID YOU DESCRIBE HAVING SEEN THE BRONCO IN THE SEARCH WARRANT?

231 A:

YES.

232 Q:

DID YOU DESCRIBE HAVING SEEN BLOOD ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BRONCO?

233 A:

YES.

234 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
235 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DID YOU INDICATE THAT ONE OF THE DETECTIVES RAN THE PLATE ON THE BRONCO TO SEE WHO IT WAS REGISTERED TO?

236 A:

YES.

237 Q:

DID YOU INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT THE GLOVE FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM RESEMBLED THE GLOVE AT BUNDY?

238 A:

YES.

239 Q:

DOES THE GLOVE AT ROCKINGHAM RESEMBLE THE GLOVE AT BUNDY?

240 A:

IT APPEARS TO BE A MATCHED PAIR.

KEY QUOTE
241 MR. DARDEN:

MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?

242 THE COURT:

CERTAINLY.

243 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
244 MR. DARDEN:

I WOULD LIKE TO MARK A BOARD NEXT IN ORDER. I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN IT TO DEFENSE COUNSEL.

245 THE COURT:

125.

246 (PEO'S 125 FOR ID = POSTERBOARD W/PHOTOS)
247 MR. DARDEN:

WAS THAT PEOPLE'S 125, YOUR HONOR?

248 THE COURT:

YES.

249 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: DETECTIVE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STEP DOWN.

250 A:

YES, SIR. (WITNESS COMPLIES.)

251 Q:

TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.

252 A:

YES, SIR.

253 Q:

TELL US WHETHER OR NOT THEY DEPICT THE GLOVE FOUND AT ROCKINGHAM AND THE ONE FOUND AT BUNDY?

254 A:

YES, THEY DO.

255 Q:

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT EACH OF THOSE GLOVES WERE SUBMITTED FOR TESTING?

256 A:

YES.

257 Q:

THE GLOVE AT BUNDY WAS SUBMITTED FOR TESTING?

258 A:

YES.

259 Q:

ARE YOU AWARE OF THOSE RESULTS?

260 A:

YES.

261 Q:

DID YOU INDICATE IN THE SEARCH WARRANT AFFIDAVIT THAT YOU OBSERVED BLOOD DROPLETS LEADING FROM THE BRONCO TO THE FRONT DOOR OF MR. SIMPSON'S RESIDENCE?

262 A:

YES.

263 Q:

DID YOU INDICATE THAT YOU HAD SPOKEN TO ARNELLE SIMPSON?

264 A:

YES.

265 Q:

DID YOU INDICATE THAT YOU --

266 MR. SHAPIRO:

YOUR HONOR, DO WE NEED THIS BOARD UP ANY LONGER?

267 THE COURT:

MR. DARDEN, ARE YOU GOING TO USE THIS ANY MORE?

268 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
269 MR. DARDEN:

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHOW IT TO THE JURY, YOUR HONOR.

270 THE COURT:

WHY DON'T WE DO THAT AND THEN WE WILL TAKE OUR RECESS FOR THE MORNING.

271 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
272 MR. SHAPIRO:

MAY WE APPROACH THE BENCH, YOUR HONOR?

273 THE COURT:

TWO SECONDS.

274 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
275 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

276 MR. SHAPIRO:

MAY WE APPROACH, YOUR HONOR, PLEASE?

277 THE COURT:

JUST A SECOND. I'M GOING TO EXCUSE THE JURY FIRST.

278 MR. SHAPIRO:

I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE THE JURY IS EXCUSED.

279 (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.)
280 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)
281 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE OUR RECESS FOR THE MORNING SESSION. PLEASE REMEMBER ALL OF MY ADMONITIONS. DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONG YOURSELVES, FORM ANY OPINIONS ABOUT THE CASE, DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU, DO NOT PERFORM ANY DELIBERATIONS UNTIL THE MATTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU. WE WILL RECONVENE PROMPTLY AT 1:30. DETECTIVE VANNATTER, YOU MAY STEP DOWN. 1:30, SIR.

282 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

YES, SIR.

283 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL STAND IN RECESS.

284 (AT 12:04 P.M. THE NOON RECESS WAS TAKEN UNTIL 1:30 P.M. OF THE SAME DAY.)
285 (JANET M. MOXHAM, CSR NO. 4855, OFFICIAL REPORTER.)
286 (CHRISTINE M. OLSON, CSR NO. 2378, OFFICIAL REPORTER.)
287 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, OUT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:)
288 THE COURT:

MR. DARDEN, MR. SHAPIRO.

289 (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.)
290 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)
291 THE COURT:

BACK ON THE RECORD IN THE SIMPSON MATTER. COUNSEL, ANYTHING WE NEED TO TAKE UP BEFORE WE INVITE THE JURORS TO REJOIN US?

292 MR. BLASIER:

YOUR HONOR, VERY QUICKLY. MISS CLARK HAS AGREED THE VIDEOTAPES WE SUBPOENAED FOR THE MEDIA COULD BE RELEASED AND MISS ROBERTSON SAID THAT NEEDED TO BE ON THE RECORD. SO RELEASED TO US FOR COPYING AND RETURNED TO THE COURT.

293 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. SO STIPULATED BY THE PARTIES? ALL RIGHT.

294 MR. COCHRAN:

HAVE THE MANUALS ARRIVED?

295 THE COURT:

YES, THEY DID.

296 MR. COCHRAN:

CAN WE SEE THOSE OVERNIGHT?

297 THE COURT:

SURE. ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T WE TAKE CARE OF THAT WHEN WE CONCLUDE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE JURORS, PLEASE.

298 MS. CLARK:

ARE WE GOING TO TAKE UP THE MATTER OF --

299 MR. COCHRAN:

APPARENTLY THEY ALREADY DID THAT.

300 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, IN THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:)
301 THE COURT:

THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. BE SEATED. DETECTIVE VANNATTER, WOULD YOU RESUME THE WITNESS STAND, PLEASE. LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE'VE BEEN REJOINED BY ALL MEMBERS OF OUR JURY PANEL. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

302 THE JURY:

GOOD AFTERNOON.

303 THE COURT:

DETECTIVE PHILIP VANNATTER IS ON THE WITNESS STAND UNDERGOING REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. DARDEN.

PHILIP VANNATTER, THE WITNESS ON THE STAND AT THE TIME OF THE LUNCH RECESS, RESUMED THE STAND AND TESTIFIED FURTHER AS FOLLOWS:

304 THE COURT:

GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, DETECTIVE VANNATTER.

305 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER:

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

306 THE COURT:

YOU ARE REMINDED YOU ARE STILL UNDER OATH. MR. DARDEN, YOU MAY CONCLUDE WITH YOUR REDIRECT EXAMINATION.

307 MR. DARDEN:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

REDIRECT EXAMINATION (RESUMED) BY MR. DARDEN:

308 Q:

DETECTIVE, DURING MR. SHAPIRO'S CROSS-EXAMINATION, YOU TESTIFIED THAT YOU DID NOT EXPECT TO SEE ANY INJURIES ON MR. SIMPSON'S BODY?

309 A:

I THINK I TESTIFIED I DIDN'T SEE ANY ON HIS BODY, YES, OTHER THAN HIS LEFT HAND.

310 Q:

OKAY. DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE INJURIES ON HIS BODY?

311 A:

NO.

312 Q:

WHY NOT?

313 A:

WELL, FROM WHAT I COULD SEE OF HIS FACE AND HIS ARMS, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INJURIES OTHER THAN TO HIS LEFT HAND. HE HAD ON A SHORT-SLEEVED SHIRT, AND FROM LOOKING AT THE VICTIMS, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT INJURIES RECEIVED TO THE HANDS AND ARMS OF RON GOLDMAN WERE DEFENSIVE WOUNDS, WHICH DEFENSIVE WOUNDS ARE WOUNDS WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO WARD SOMETHING OFF. YOU'RE NOT BEING DEFENSIVE BY STRIKING OUT.

314 Q:

YOU TOLD US A LITTLE WHILE AGO AS WELL --

315 MR. DARDEN:

MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?

316 THE COURT:

CERTAINLY.

317 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
318 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: YOU'VE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS I TAKE IT OF RON GOLDMAN THAT INDICATE CUTS OR ABRASIONS NEAR THE KNUCKLES ON ONE OF HIS HANDS?

319 A:

YES.

320 Q:

ON BOTH HANDS? AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE IF ANY DO YOU ATTACH TO THOSE INJURIES?

321 A:

THE BRUISES ON HIS HANDS?

322 Q:

YEAH. ON MR. GOLDMAN'S HANDS.

323 A:

THE BRUISES COULD HAVE OCCURRED WHILE HE WAS FALLING, WHILE HIS ARMS WERE BEING FLAILED AROUND. THEY COULD HAVE HIT THE SHRUBBERY, THE TREES, THE METAL FENCE. I DIDN'T NOTICE BRUISES DIRECTLY OVER THE KNUCKLES, ON TOP OF THE KNUCKLES THAT WOULD BE COMMON IF THEY HAD STRUCK A HARD OBJECT WITH A CLOSED FIST.

324 Q:

OKAY. AND TO GO BACK TO THE SEARCH WARRANT FOR A MOMENT, WHEN YOU WROTE THE SEARCH WARRANT AND THEN GAVE IT TO THE MAGISTRATE, DID YOU INDICATE IN THE SEARCH WARRANT THAT YOU HAD GONE TO ROCKINGHAM TO MAKE A NOTIFICATION?

325 A:

YES.

326 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
327 MR. DARDEN:

MAY I HAVE ONE MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?

328 THE COURT:

CERTAINLY.

329 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
330 MR. DARDEN:

I HAVE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS, YOUR HONOR. MAY THEY BE MARKED NEXT IN ORDER?

331 THE COURT:

PEOPLE'S 126 AND 127.

332 (PEO'S 126 AND 127 FOR ID = PHOTOGRAPHS)
333 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 126, DETECTIVE --

334 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)
335 Q:

BY MR. DARDEN: WHAT IS SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, DETECTIVE?

336 A:

THAT'S A PORTION OF THE DEFENDANT'S BEDROOM SHOWING THE FOOT OF THE BED, AND AT THE FOOT OF THE BED IS A RUG OVER THE CARPETING WITH A PAIR OF SOCKS.

337 Q:

AND 127, WHAT'S SHOWN THERE?

338 A:

THAT'S A CLOSE-UP OF THE PAIR OF SOCKS THAT WERE SEEN IN THE PREVIOUS PICTURE.

339 Q:

WERE THOSE SOCKS SEIZED?

340 A:

YES, THEY WERE.

341 Q:

AND DID YOU FIND A BLOOD TRIAL AT ALL IN THE DEFENDANT'S BEDROOM?

342 A:

YES.

343 MR. DARDEN:

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

Temperature

tense

Key Quotes (5)

Philip Vannatter
I BELIEVE DURING THE STRUGGLE THE LEFT-HAND GLOVE WAS LOST AND DROPPED ON THE GROUND AND THAT IS WHEN THE CUT OCCURRED, WHEN THE HANDS WERE NOT PROTECTED.
Vannatter supplies the prosecution's theory for why OJ's left hand was cut but the left-hand glove showed no cut — the glove was already off when the injury occurred.
Philip Vannatter
IT APPEARS TO BE A MATCHED PAIR.
Direct testimony linking the Bundy glove and the Rockingham glove as part of the same pair — a cornerstone of the prosecution's narrative.
Philip Vannatter
YOU ARE DEALING WITH A FELONY SUSPECT AT THAT POINT. I WOULD HAVE HAD THE DETECTIVES PUT ON PROTECTIVE ARMOR. I WOULD HAVE HAD UNIFORMED OFFICERS ACCOMPANY ME. I WOULD HAVE HAD OFFICERS STATIONED AT THE FRONT AND THE REAR OF THE LOCATION TO PRECLUDE ANY POSSIBLE ESCAPE.
Rehabilitates the warrantless entry at Rockingham by demonstrating Vannatter's approach was inconsistent with treating OJ as a suspect — undermining the defense's planted-evidence theory.
Philip Vannatter
NO. I AM ONE OF THE DETECTIVES IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION. IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVIDENCE IS COLLECTED AND SECURED.
Defends transporting OJ's blood vial from Parker Center to Rockingham — directly countering the defense's suggestion of tampering.
Philip Vannatter
I DIDN'T NOTICE BRUISES DIRECTLY OVER THE KNUCKLES, ON TOP OF THE KNUCKLES THAT WOULD BE COMMON IF THEY HAD STRUCK A HARD OBJECT WITH A CLOSED FIST.
Suggests Goldman's hand injuries were defensive rather than offensive wounds, supporting the prosecution's framing of the attack.

Evidence (8)

People's 116
Glove board — photographs of the south side of Rockingham showing leaves covering the walkway area
displayed; Vannatter stepped down to identify it
People's 125
Posterboard with photographs of both the Rockingham glove and the Bundy glove side by side
introduced; Vannatter confirmed both gloves depicted; shown to jury
People's 126
Photograph of foot of OJ Simpson's bedroom showing a rug over carpeting with a pair of socks
introduced and identified by Vannatter
People's 127
Close-up photograph of the socks found at the foot of OJ's bed
introduced and identified by Vannatter
Informal
Socks seized from OJ's bedroom — tested for Nicole Brown Simpson's blood, Ronald Goldman's blood, and OJ's blood
discussed; Vannatter confirmed testing occurred; actual results blocked by hearsay rulings
Informal
OJ Simpson's blood vial drawn at Parker Center and transported by Vannatter to Rockingham for criminalist Fung
discussed; Vannatter defended chain of custody
+ 2 more

Notable Exchanges (3)

Christopher DardenRobert ShapiroLance A. Ito
Darden attempts four consecutive questions about whether the person who dropped the Rockingham glove was bleeding, had their hand in their pocket, or was carrying something — all four sustained by Ito as speculation. Shapiro then moves to have the jury disregard the entire line.
strategic — Shapiro methodically shuts down Darden's attempt to narrativize the killer's movements
Christopher DardenLance A. Ito
Darden tries to ask Vannatter about the sock test results given his awareness of the findings; Ito cuts him off with his own sua sponte objection ('I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN THE COURT'S OWN OBJECTION') — then immediately adds 'I ASSUME WE WILL GET TO THAT EVENTUALLY.' Darden thanks him warmly.
procedural with a touch of dry judicial humor
Christopher DardenPhilip Vannatter
Darden walks Vannatter through every precaution he would have taken had OJ been a suspect at 5am — armor, raid jackets, uniformed backup, perimeter coverage, forced entry — then asks 'you didn't do any of that?' Vannatter confirms, rehabilitating the warrantless entry.
strategic — methodical rehabilitation of the Rockingham approach

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
After Darden thanks Ito for sustaining his own objection, Ito replies 'YOU ARE WELCOME' — a brief courtly exchange in an otherwise tense session.

Credibility Attacks (2)

⚔ Philip Vannatter
prior testimony rehabilitation / consistency check
Darden preemptively addresses the defense's implication that Vannatter coordinated testimony with Fuhrman — Vannatter says differences in recall between witnesses are normal and that he did not modify his testimony to fit Fuhrman's.
⚔ Philip Vannatter
rehabilitation of blood vial handling
Darden draws out that transporting the blood vial was within Vannatter's role as lead detective; Shapiro's self-serving objection is overruled, allowing the rehabilitative answer.

Witness Demeanor

(WITNESS COMPLIES.) — steps down twice to view exhibit boards, then returns to stand at judge's instruction
Calm and measured throughout; no stage directions indicating distress or agitation

Objections

14 objections (10 sustained, 4 overruled)
Proceeding 5351 • 343 utterances • Prosecution witness
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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📂 MAR 21, 1995 📄 Redirect examination of Philip
MAR 21, 1995 KRT DvH TD