Robert Shapiro cross-examined Detective Vannatter on the chain of custody for OJ Simpson's blood sample, which Vannatter carried unrefrigerated in a manila envelope on his car seat for nearly two hours with no contemporaneous documentation. Shapiro also pressed on failures to properly secure the Bronco crime scene, a contradiction between Vannatter's and Fuhrman's accounts of the Kato Kaelin interview, and a videotape that appeared to show Vannatter standing on a blood-covered sheet at the Bundy crime scene.
# 1 THE COURT: MR. SHAPIRO, YOU MAY CONTINUE.
# 2 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BOOKING ITEMS IN SEQUENCE. WHEN YOU REFER TO THAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO ALLOWING THE CRIMINALIST TO ASSIGN BOOKING NUMBERS IN THE ORDER THINGS ARE COLLECTED?
# 3 A: UMM, THAT IS GENERALLY THE WAY IT IS DONE; HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE. SOMETIMES CERTAIN ITEMS HAVE TO BE BOOKED BEFORE OTHER ITEMS.
# 4 Q: AND BLOOD CAN ALSO BE BOOKED AT PIPER TECH DIRECTLY TO THE CRIME LAB, CAN IT NOT?
# 6 Q: AND THAT IS A MILE AWAY?
# 7 A: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
# 8 Q: YET IT WAS YOUR PREFERENCE -- MAY WE PUT A DIAGRAM UP ON THE ELMO WHICH WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY SHOWN?
# 9 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 10 MR. DARDEN: NOT YET. FOUNDATIONAL OBJECTION.
# 11 MR. SHAPIRO: I THINK HE HAS PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED.
# 12 THE COURT: OVERRULED. OVERRULED.
# 13 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. MR. SHAPIRO.
# 14 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHERE WAS DETECTIVE LANGE AT THE TIME YOU TOOK O.J.'S BLOOD SAMPLE FROM THE NURSE?
# 16 Q: AND WHEN YOU GOT THE BLOOD SAMPLE, WHAT TYPE OF CONTAINER WAS IT IN?
# 17 A: IT WAS IN A PURPLE-TOPPED VIAL.
# 18 Q: DID IT HAVE ANY MARKINGS ON IT?
# 19 A: YES. THERE WAS A TAG THAT WAS PUT ON IT WITH MR. SIMPSON'S NAME AND THE DATE AND TIME IT WAS DRAWN.
# 22 Q: WHAT TIME WAS IT DRAWN?
# 23 A: I COULD LOOK AT THE RECORD AND TELL YOU EXACTLY. I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME. IT WAS BETWEEN 3:00 AND 3:30, APPROXIMATELY.
# 24 Q: BETWEEN 3:00 AND 3:30?
# 25 A: YES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
# 26 Q: AND AFTER YOU TOOK THAT BLOOD VIAL, WHAT TYPE OF SECURITY DID YOU USE FOR THAT BLOOD VIAL?
# 27 A: I PLACED IT IN A MANILA ENVELOPE, MAINTAINED CONTROL OF IT AND HAND-DELIVERED IT TO THE CRIMINALIST.
# 28 Q: WHERE WAS THE CRIMINALIST?
# 30 Q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?
# 31 A: BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THE SEARCH WARRANT -- THE EXECUTION OF THE SEARCH WARRANT HAD STARTED AT APPROXIMATELY -- AFTER -- AFTER 12:00 NOON AND I KNEW THAT THERE WERE STILL OFFICERS AT THE LOCATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS AT THE LOCATION ALSO.
# 32 Q: YOU BELIEVED, BUT YOU DIDN'T KNOW?
# 33 A: WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN.
# 34 Q: YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM AND SAY, "ARE YOU AT THE LOCATION? I'VE GOT SOME BLOOD TO BRING TO YOU"?
# 35 A: NO, I DIDN'T TALK TO HIM ON THE PHONE.
# 36 Q: YOU DIDN'T CALL ANYBODY THERE IN CHARGE TO SEE WHERE THE CRIMINALIST WAS?
# 38 Q: AND THERE WERE MANY AREAS WHERE A CRIMINALIST COULD BE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
# 39 A: WELL, I KNEW HE WAS EITHER -- EITHER AT BUNDY OR ROCKINGHAM, YES.
# 40 Q: SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THE TWO?
# 41 A: WELL, I ASSUMED ROCKINGHAM BECAUSE I KNEW THE SEARCH WARRANT HAD STARTED AFTER 12:00 NOON.
# 42 Q: ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO SHOW YOU A MAP OF THE AREAS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND ASK YOU IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY --
# 43 THE COURT: MR. HARRIS, CAN WE GET A SLIGHTLY TIGHTER FOCUS ON THAT, A LITTLE --
# 44 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE PARKER CENTER IS? DO YOU SEE THAT?
# 45 A: YES. I SEE THE NOTATION THERE, YES.
# 46 Q: AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY YOU SAY A LITTLE OVER A MILE TO PIPER TECH?
# 47 A: I BELIEVE IT IS APPROXIMATELY A MILE, YES.
# 48 Q: A MILE. AND THOSE ARE TWO AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TOLD US THE BLOOD COULD BE BOOKED?
# 49 A: YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
# 50 Q: WHERE DID YOU GO WHEN YOU LEFT PARKER CENTER?
# 51 A: STRAIGHT TO ROCKINGHAM.
# 52 Q: WHAT ROUTE DID YOU TAKE?
# 53 A: SANTA MONICA FREEWAY TO THE SAN DIEGO FREEWAY.
# 54 Q: YOU WERE DRIVING?
# 55 A: WE WERE BOTH DRIVING. WE TOOK OUR CARS, TOOK OUR OWN CARS.
# 56 Q: WHERE WAS THIS BLOOD VIAL?
# 57 A: WITH ME IN MY VEHICLE.
# 59 A: IN A MANILA ENVELOPE ON THE FRONT SEAT OF MY CAR.
KEY QUOTE # 60 Q: DID YOU HAVE ANY ICE OR REFRIGERATION EQUIPMENT WITH YOU?
# 61 A: NO. I KNEW THERE WAS PRESERVATIVE IN THE VIAL WHEN THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN.
# 62 Q: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT? DID YOU TEST IT?
# 63 A: NO, BUT I KNOW THAT VIALS THAT ARE USED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR BLOOD SAMPLES CONTAIN PRESERVATIVE.
# 64 Q: SUPPOSED TO CONTAIN PRESERVATIVE?
# 65 A: WELL, I THINK -- OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SUPPOSED TO. IT IS MY INFORMATION THEY CONTAIN PRESERVATIVES IN THE VIALS.
# 66 Q: YOU HAVEN'T TESTED THAT AND YOU HAVE NO INDEPENDENT KNOWLEDGE OF ANY PRESERVATIVE BEING IN THERE, DO YOU?
# 67 A: NO, SIR. I HAVEN'T TESTED IT, NO.
# 68 Q: NOW, YOU JUST HAVE THIS BLOOD IN YOUR CAR. WASN'T THERE A RISK OF SOMETHING HAPPENING TO THE BLOOD IN TRANSPORTING IT THAT DISTANCE?
# 69 A: NO. THE RISK WAS ME NOT KEEPING CONTROL OF THE BLOOD, THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY OF THE BLOOD, TO GIVE IT TO THE CRIMINALIST. THAT WAS THE RISK.
# 70 Q: I TAKE THAT IT IF YOU WALKED IT FROM WHERE YOU WERE IN PARKER CENTER RIGHT UP TO THE EVIDENCE ROOM THERE WOULD BE MUCH LESS RISK?
# 71 A: WELL, AT THAT POINT THE PAPERWORK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN COMPLETED --
# 72 Q: MY QUESTION WAS RISK, SIR. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
# 73 A: I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREATER RISK. THE PAPERWORK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL CONTROL OVER THE ITEM.
# 74 Q: SO YOU ARE TELLING US THAT AT PARKER CENTER THAT YOU COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THAT ITEM AND BOOKED IT IMMEDIATELY?
# 75 A: NO, I COULD HAVE DONE THAT. I MADE THE DECISION TO HAND CARRY IT TO THE CRIMINALIST WHO WAS PROCESSING ALL THE OTHER -- ALL THE OTHER EVIDENCE.
# 76 Q: DID YOU RUN A RISK OF DROPPING IT IN CASE YOU SLIPPED ON THE WAY IN AND OUT OF YOUR CAR?
# 77 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION TO THIS LINE OF QUESTION AS IRRELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 78 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 79 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER: I GUESS THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
# 80 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: DID YOU RUN A RISK OF, GOD FORBID, BEING IN AN ACCIDENT?
# 81 A: THANK GOD I WASN'T.
# 82 Q: THAT WAS A RISK THAT YOU CHOSE TO RUN?
# 83 A: THAT IS A RISK, SIR, EVERY TIME I GO OUT IN THE STREETS.
# 84 Q: BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE A RISK TO CARRY IT DOWN AND BOOK IT AT PARKER CENTER, WOULD IT?
# 86 Q: YOU LEFT, YOU SAY, AT THE LATEST, AT 3:30 FROM PARKER CENTER?
# 87 A: NO. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I THINK IT WAS -- I THINK IT WAS AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK THAT I LEFT PARKER CENTER.
# 88 Q: WELL, YOU GOT THE BLOOD AT 3:30?
# 89 A: YEAH. I DIDN'T LEAVE IMMEDIATELY FROM THERE.
# 90 Q: WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER YOU GOT THE BLOOD?
# 91 A: I WENT BACK UP TO MY OFFICE.
# 93 A: TO START ASSEMBLING SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE INFORMATION I HAD AND -- AND TO ORGANIZE MYSELF AND THEN TO GO OUT TO ROCKINGHAM.
# 94 Q: AND HOW DID YOU ASSEMBLE THIS INFORMATION? DID YOU TAKE NOTES?
# 95 A: I WAS JUST -- IT HAD BEEN A LONG DAY. I MAY HAVE EVEN HAD A CUP OF COFFEE WHEN HE WENT UP THERE, I DON'T RECALL, BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
# 96 Q: AND YOU DIDN'T KEEP ANY RECORDS OF WHAT YOU DID?
# 97 A: NO, SIR, I DIDN'T.
# 98 Q: AND THE BLOOD WAS WITH YOU?
# 100 Q: WHERE WAS THE BLOOD? IN YOUR JACKET?
# 101 A: NO. I WENT TO MY DESK AND I HAD IT IN A MANILA ENVELOPE ON MY DESK.
# 102 Q: DID YOU LEAVE ANY RECORD -- WAS LANGE WITH YOU?
# 103 A: LANGE WAS WITH ME, YES.
# 104 Q: AND WERE YOU TALKING WITH LANGE?
# 105 A: I'M SURE I WAS, YEAH. I TALK WITH HIM ALL THE TIME.
# 106 Q: ARE YOU SURE LANGE WENT UP TO YOUR OFFICE WITH YOU?
# 108 Q: NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT?
# 109 A: LANGE WAS WITH ME AFTER TWELVE O'CLOCK MOST OF THE EVENING UNTIL ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
# 110 Q: AND DID LANGE HAVE COFFEE WITH YOU IN YOUR OFFICE?
# 112 Q: WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR COFFEE FROM?
# 113 A: FROM A COFFEE MACHINE IN THE OFFICE. I SAID I MAY HAVE. I'M NOT POSITIVE I DID. I MAY HAVE HAD A CUP OF COFFEE.
# 114 Q: AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD THAT?
# 115 A: YEAH, THAT'S TRUE, SURE.
# 116 Q: AND YOU MAY HAVE SPENT A HALF HOUR THERE AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE?
# 117 A: I THINK I WAS THERE ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR BEFORE I LEFT.
# 118 Q: DO YOU HAVE ANY RECORD TO INDICATE THAT?
# 119 A: NO, SIR, I DON'T.
# 120 Q: DID YOU KEEP ANYTHING YOU DID AFTER YOU GOT THE BLOOD? DID YOU MAKE A NOTATION, "I'VE GOT THE BLOOD NOW, HERE IS WHAT I'M DOING WITH IT"?
# 122 Q: YOU LEFT AT FOUR O'CLOCK?
# 123 A: APPROXIMATELY, YES.
# 124 Q: HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO GET FROM PARKER CENTER TO ROCKINGHAM AT FOUR O'CLOCK?
# 125 A: AS I RECALL, THE TRAFFIC WAS PRETTY HEAVY. I THINK IT TOOK AN HOUR, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR.
# 126 Q: AND HOW DID YOU GO?
# 127 A: I BELIEVE I TOLD YOU THE SANTA MONICA FREEWAY TO THE SAN DIEGO FREEWAY TO SUNSET BOULEVARD.
# 128 Q: AND THEN SUNSET BOULEVARD TO ROCKINGHAM?
# 130 Q: THAT TOOK YOU ABOUT AN HOUR?
# 131 A: I THINK SO, YEAH, APPROXIMATELY.
# 132 Q: DID YOU LOG IN WHAT TIME YOU ARRIVED AT ROCKINGHAM?
# 133 A: I BELIEVE IT WAS LOGGED ON THE LOG WHEN I GOT THERE, YES.
# 134 Q: I'M SAYING DID YOU LOG IN?
# 135 A: I BELIEVE THE LOGGING OFFICER LOGGED ME IN, YES.
# 136 Q: WHAT TIME DID HE LOG YOU IN AT?
# 137 A: I THINK AT APPROXIMATELY 5:20, AS I RECALL.
# 138 Q: SO WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN FIVE O'CLOCK AND 5:20 WHEN YOU GOT THERE BEFORE YOU LOGGED IN?
# 139 A: WELL, IT IS TOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR A MINUTE BY MINUTE ACCOUNTING. I DROVE STRAIGHT TO ROCKINGHAM, CHECKED IN AND IMMEDIATELY GAVE THE BLOOD TO THE CRIMINALIST WHO HAD FINISHED HIS WORK AND WAS LEAVING.
# 140 Q: YOU DIDN'T GO TO BUNDY FIRST?
# 142 Q: YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE CRIMINALIST WAS OR EVEN IF HE WAS AT ROCKINGHAM, DID YOU?
# 143 A: I ASSUMED HE WAS AT ROCKINGHAM. HE WAS AT ROCKINGHAM, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
# 144 Q: ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE ONLY ACCOUNTING FOR TIME THAT IS REPORTED IS THE TIME THE BLOOD WAS DRAWN WHICH YOU SAY IS 3:30 AND THE TIME THAT YOU LOGGED IN AT ROCKINGHAM, WHICH IS 5:20, ALMOST TWO HOURS?
KEY QUOTE # 145 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 146 Q: AND MAZZOLLA WAS WITH FUNG AT THE TIME YOU TURNED THE BLOOD OVER?
# 147 A: I DON'T RECALL SEEING MAZZOLLA. SHE COULD HAVE BEEN THERE. I DON'T RECALL SEEING HER.
# 148 Q: YOU HEARD MAZZOLLA TESTIFY SHE WAS ALWAYS WITH FUNG, DIDN'T YOU?
# 149 A: I'M GOING ON MY OWN PERCEPTION. I DON'T RECALL SEEING HER THERE.
# 150 Q: WHERE WAS LANGE?
# 151 A: LANGE WAS THERE WITH ME.
# 152 Q: SO IT WAS YOU, LANGE AND FUNG?
# 153 A: NO. THERE WERE OTHER OFFICERS THERE, TOO.
# 154 Q: WHAT OTHER OFFICERS WERE THERE?
# 155 A: WHAT OTHER OFFICERS?
# 157 A: I RECALL DETECTIVE LUPER, DETECTIVE LEFALL, THERE WERE SOME UNIFORMED OFFICERS THERE.
# 158 MR. DARDEN: CAN WE TAKE THE MAP AND BOARD DOWN, YOUR HONOR?
# 159 THE COURT: DO WE NEED THIS ANY MORE?
# 160 MR. SHAPIRO: WE DO.
# 161 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER: I DON'T RECALL ANY OTHER NAMES. THERE WERE OFFICERS THERE.
# 162 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: DOES FUNG WORK OUT OF PARKER CENTER?
# 164 Q: DOES FUNG WORK OUT OF PIPER TECH?
# 166 Q: WHERE DOES FUNG WORK OUT OF?
# 167 MR. DARDEN: EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. CAN WE TAKE THE BOARD DOWN?
# 168 MR. SHAPIRO: MAY WE TAKE IT DOWN, PLEASE. THAT SHOULD BE MARKED 1058, YOUR HONOR.
# 169 THE COURT: MRS. ROBERTSON?
# 172 (DEFT'S 1058 FOR ID = MAP) # 173 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHERE DOES FUNG WORK OUT OF?
# 174 A: NORTHEAST STATION.
# 176 A: IT IS ON YORK BOULEVARD, I BELIEVE.
# 178 A: SAN FERNANDO, I'M SORRY. SAN FERNANDO, I BELIEVE. IT IS IN NORTHEAST SECTION.
# 179 Q: I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. SAN FERNANDO VALLEY?
# 180 THE COURT: WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE BOTH TALKING AT THE SAME TIME AGAIN, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. TELL US WHERE THE NEW NORTHEAST STATION IS.
# 181 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER: IT IS OFF OF THE GLENDALE FREEWAY AT I BELIEVE YORK, YORK BOULEVARD.
# 182 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: NOW, DID YOU WANT ALL THE EVIDENCE TO BE BOOKED DOWN AT PIPER TECH?
# 184 Q: THAT IS THE MOST SECURE PLACE, ISN'T IT?
# 185 A: WELL, THAT IS WHERE SEROLOGY IS ANALYZED. I WOULDN'T SAY IT IS THE MOST SECURE PLACE, NO.
# 186 Q: AND DID YOU DIRECT FUNG AS TO WHERE TO TAKE THIS BLOOD FOR BOOKING?
# 187 A: DETECTIVE FUNG WOULD AUTOMATICALLY TAKE TO IT PIPER TECH FOR BOOKING.
# 188 Q: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
# 189 A: BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF HIS JOB.
# 190 Q: DO YOU KNOW THAT HE DID THAT?
# 191 A: NO. I WASN'T WITH HIM 24 HOURS A DAY, NO.
# 192 Q: DID HE GIVE YOU A RECEIPT FOR THE BLOOD YOU GAVE HIM?
# 193 A: HE WROTE IT IN HIS NOTES. HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A RECEIPT. HE WROTE IT IN HIS NOTES.
# 194 Q: DID YOU NOTICE, WHEN YOU TOOK THE BLOOD, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY BLOOD DRIPPING IN THE AREA OF THE CORKED PORTION OF THE TUBE?
# 195 A: I DON'T RECALL ANY BLOOD DRIPPING.
# 197 A: I LOOKED AT THE VIAL. I DON'T RECALL ANY BLOOD DRIPPING.
# 198 Q: HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TAKEN BLOOD FROM PARKER CENTER OUT TO A CRIME SCENE?
# 199 A: I DON'T KNOW. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T RECALL RIGHT NOW ANY OTHER TIME THAT I HAVE DONE THAT.
# 200 Q: HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED IN A MURDER CASE WHERE YOU HAVE TAKEN A STATEMENT VOLUNTARILY FROM A SUSPECT AND NOT INTRODUCED IT INTO EVIDENCE?
# 201 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. THE JURY IS TO DISREGARD THE IMPLICATION OF THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. PROCEED.
# 202 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: DID YOU GO THROUGH ANY SPECIAL COACHING SESSIONS PRIOR TO YOU TAKING THE WITNESS STAND TODAY?
# 203 A: NO, SIR, I DID NOT.
# 204 Q: DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL TRAINING IN HOW TO TESTIFY?
# 207 A: WELL, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE GAVE US AN HOUR OR TWO IN THE POLICE ACADEMY, YEAH. THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, THOUGH.
# 208 Q: DID YOU MEET WITH ANY OF THE LAWYERS IN THIS CASE REGARDING YOUR TESTIMONY?
# 209 A: OH, I SEE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS, YES.
# 210 Q: DID YOU MEET WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF REVIEWING YOUR TESTIMONY?
# 212 Q: AND DID YOU GO THROUGH ANY MOCK TESTIMONY OR CROSS-EXAMINATION?
# 213 A: NO, SIR, I DID NOT.
# 214 Q: WERE YOU EVER BROUGHT TO A GRAND JURY ROOM TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED BY SEVERAL LAWYERS?
# 216 Q: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING IN ANY CASE BEFORE?
# 217 A: I'VE HEARD OF MOCK EXAMINATIONS, BUT WHEN YOU SAY "GRAND JURY ROOM," I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
# 218 Q: AND IN 26 YEARS ON THE POLICE FORCE, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TESTIFIED AS A WITNESS?
# 219 A: MANY, MANY TIMES.
# 220 Q: CAN YOU DO ANY BETTER THAN THAT BY NUMBER?
# 221 A: MANY, MANY, MANY. I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
# 222 Q: YOU TOLD US YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN 200 HOMICIDE CASES, 500 INVESTIGATIONS?
# 223 MR. DARDEN: IS THAT A QUESTION?
# 224 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER: MANY, MANY TIMES. MAYBE -- I DON'T KNOW. MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES. I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY.
# 225 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: HUNDRED?
# 226 A: I WOULD SAY MORE THAN THAT.
# 227 Q: AND THAT IS PART OF YOUR JOB AS A PROFESSIONAL POLICE OFFICER, TO TESTIFY, ISN'T IT?
# 229 Q: AND YOU ARE IN A WAY A PROFESSIONAL WITNESS?
# 230 A: THAT IS PART OF MY JOB, YES.
# 231 Q: HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD TO DO ANYTHING REGARDING YOUR EMOTIONS WHEN YOU TESTIFY?
# 233 Q: AT ANY TIME, WHEN YOU WERE AT ROCKINGHAM THAT MORNING, DID YOU HEAR ARNELLE OR KATO EVER USE THE WORD "UNPLANNED"?
# 235 Q: DID YOU EVER HEAR THAT WORD USED BY CATHY RANDA OR ATTRIBUTED TO HER?
# 237 Q: DID YOU EVER HEAR THAT WORD USED BY ANYONE?
# 239 Q: YOU LISTENED TO DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S TESTIMONY, DID YOU NOT?
# 240 A: PART OF IT; NOT ALL OF IT.
# 241 Q: DID YOU LISTEN TO THE PART WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT INTERVIEWING KATO KAELIN?
# 242 A: I HEARD PART OF IT, YES.
# 243 Q: DID YOU HEAR THE PART THAT THE PROSECUTOR ASKED HIM A QUESTION WHY --
# 244 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION.
# 245 MS. CLARK: PAGE, LINE, WHAT?
# 246 THE COURT: COUNSEL, FOUNDATION. FOUNDATIONAL OBJECTION AT THIS POINT.
# 247 MR. DARDEN: HE IS GOING TO READ. MAY I TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE INTENDS TO READ?
# 249 MR. SHAPIRO: THIS IS YOUR QUESTION, I'M SORRY.
# 250 THE COURT: DO YOU WANT TO LET ME KNOW, TOO?
# 253 MR. SHAPIRO: PAGE --
# 254 THE COURT: WHAT VOLUME, COUNSEL?
# 255 MR. SHAPIRO: 18694, YOUR HONOR.
# 256 THE COURT: WHAT VOLUME?
# 257 MR. SHAPIRO: VOLUME, 106, LINE 3 THROUGH 5.
# 258 THE COURT: I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE?
# 259 MR. SHAPIRO: 18694, YOUR HONOR.
# 260 THE COURT: THANK YOU.
# 261 MR. SHAPIRO: YOU ARE WELCOME.
# 262 MS. CLARK: THIS IS CROSS.
# 263 MR. SHAPIRO: IS IT?
# 266 MR. SHAPIRO: I STAND CORRECTED. THAT WAS NOT MR. DARDEN'S QUESTION OR MISS CLARK'S QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF THEM FOR SAYING THAT IT WAS.
# 267 MR. DARDEN: THERE IS AN OBJECTION. THIS IS IMPROPER.
# 268 THE COURT: LET ME HEAR THE QUESTION.
# 269 MR. SHAPIRO: I'M SORRY, YOUR HONOR?
# 270 THE COURT: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE QUESTION.
# 271 MR. SHAPIRO: YES. THE QUESTION IS DID HE HEAR THIS QUESTION BEING ASKED OF DETECTIVE VANNATTER: "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL HIM THE SUBJECT" --
# 272 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THE TRANSCRIPT --
# 273 THE COURT: I'M SORRY, MR. DARDEN, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
# 274 MR. DARDEN: THE TRANSCRIPT RELATES TO DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S TESTIMONY; NOT TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER'S. THIS IS IMPROPER.
# 275 MR. SHAPIRO: I WANT TO ASK HIM IF HE HEARD THIS TESTIMONY AND IF HE CAN EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS ANSWER AND DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S.
# 276 THE COURT: PROCEED, PROCEED.
# 278 Q: THE QUESTION WAS TO DETECTIVE FUHRMAN: "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL HIM," REFERRING TO YOU, DETECTIVE VANNATTER, "THE SUBJECT MATTER ABOUT WHICH HE OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED IF HE WAS GOING TO INTERROGATE A WITNESS?" HIS ANSWER: "NO REASON. I WANTED TO GO AND INVESTIGATE THE NOISE TO SEE IF WE COULD EVEN GET TO THAT SOUTH WALL. "WHY DID YOU NOT TELL HIM THAT YOU WERE GOING TO INVESTIGATE A NOISE AND HE SHOULD FINISH THE INVESTIGATION? "NO REASON."
# 279 MR. COCHRAN: INTERROGATION.
# 280 MR. SHAPIRO: THE INTERROGATION. "NO REASON." THANK YOU.
# 281 Q: DID YOU HEAR THAT TESTIMONY?
# 283 Q: WHICH IS CORRECT, YOUR TESTIMONY OR DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S, AS TO THAT INCIDENT?
# 284 A: MY TESTIMONY IS BASED ON MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED; NOT ON DETECTIVE FUHRMAN'S RECOLLECTION. MY RECOLLECTION IS HE TOLD ME.
# 285 Q: AND HIS RECOLLECTION IS DIFFERENT?
# 286 A: THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
# 287 MR. SHAPIRO: MAY I JUST HAVE A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?
# 289 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 290 MR. SHAPIRO: MAY I JUST HAVE A MOMENT TO REVIEW SOME MATERIAL, YOUR HONOR, PLEASE?
# 291 THE COURT: CERTAINLY.
# 292 MR. SHAPIRO: THANK YOU.
# 294 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE BRONCO. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED THE BRONCO TO BE SECURE WHEN IT WAS AT ROCKINGHAM?
# 296 Q: WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
# 297 A: AT WHAT POINT OF THE DAY ARE YOU ASKING ME ABOUT?
# 298 Q: WHEN DID YOU WANT IT TO BE SECURE? WHEN DID YOU DECIDE FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS VEHICLE SHOULD BE SECURED?
# 299 A: APPROXIMATELY 5:30 IN THE MORNING.
# 300 Q: AND BY "SECURED," YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NO TRACE EVIDENCE COULD BE TAMPERED WITH REGARDING THAT VEHICLE?
# 301 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 302 Q: THAT NO EVIDENCE INSIDE THAT VEHICLE COULD BE TAMPERED WITH?
# 303 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 304 Q: AND THAT NO EVIDENCE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THAT VEHICLE COULD BE TAMPERED WITH; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 306 Q: SO YOU WANTED TO CORDON OFF THAT ENTIRE AREA WITH TAPE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 307 A: NO. I PUT UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS ON THE VEHICLE TO PROTECT THE VEHICLE.
# 308 Q: WELL, YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE ONSLAUGHT OF THE PRESS; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 309 A: THAT -- THAT OCCURRED DURING THE DAY, YES.
# 310 Q: AND IN ORDER TO PROTECT FROM THAT ONSLAUGHT, WOULD IT BE A GOOD PROCEDURE TO CORDON OFF THAT AREA WITH TAPE SO NOBODY ENTERS IT, BECAUSE THAT IS NEW A CRIME SCENE?
# 311 A: WELL, YEAH, YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE -- THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA; HOWEVER, AT THE TIME I LEFT THERE, THERE WAS -- AS I RECALL, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE AND I HAD OFFICERS PROTECTING THE VEHICLE.
# 312 Q: HOW MANY OFFICERS DID YOU ASSIGN TO PROTECT THE VEHICLE?
# 313 A: A TWO-MAN UNIFORMED CAR.
# 315 A: I BELIEVE THEIR NAMES WERE GONZALEZ AND ASTON.
# 316 Q: AND WHAT WAS YOUR INSTRUCTIONS TO THEM?
# 317 A: TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, PROTECT THE VEHICLE AND IMPOUND THE VEHICLE.
# 318 Q: WHAT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS? WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE GRASSY AREA AND POSSIBLE TRACE EVIDENCE THAT MIGHT BE THERE?
# 319 A: I HAD THE CRIMINALIST THERE AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS AWARE OF THAT AND HE WAS TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE EVIDENCE.
# 320 Q: DID YOU CORDON THAT AREA OFF?
# 321 A: NO, SIR, I DID NOT.
# 323 A: AT THAT POINT I HAD IT PROTECTED.
# 324 Q: BY THE OFFICERS?
# 325 A: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 326 Q: YOU TOLD THEM TO NOT LET ANYBODY GO IN THAT AREA, ALSO?
# 327 A: I TOLD THEM TO PROTECT THAT AREA, PROTECT THAT VEHICLE, YES.
# 328 Q: WHAT ABOUT THE STREET RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DRIVER'S DOOR? THERE IS A POSSIBILITY YOU COULD FIND SOME FOOTWEAR IMPRESSION EVIDENCE THERE, ISN'T THERE NOT?
# 329 A: I DON'T THINK ON THE ASPHALT THAT THAT IS POSSIBLE, NO.
# 331 A: I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
# 332 Q: DID YOU TALK TO MR. BODZIAK ABOUT THAT, YOUR EXPERT?
# 333 A: I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, NO. NO, I DIDN'T.
# 334 Q: HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING IN HIS BOOK ABOUT HOW YOU SHOULD PROTECT FOR THIS EVENTUALITY?
# 335 A: NO, SIR, I HAVEN'T.
# 336 Q: WOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM IF HE SAID THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT AREA TO PRESERVE?
# 337 A: NO, I WOULDN'T DISAGREE. HE IS AN EXPERT; I'M NOT.
# 338 Q: WOULDN'T THE PROPER PROCEDURE THEN TO BE TO ACTUALLY CORDON OFF THAT WHOLE STREET WHERE THE BRONCO WAS ON BOTH SIDES SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CHANCE OF CONTAMINATING THAT CRIME SCENE, SIR?
# 339 A: WELL, I GUESS IF WE ARE GOING TO THAT EXTENT, I GUESS THE PROPER PROCEDURE WOULD HAVE TO BE CORDON OFF BETWEEN BUNDY AND ROCKINGHAM AND SEARCH THE ENTIRE AREA. THAT WASN'T POSSIBLE. I DIDN'T DEEM THAT NECESSARY AT THAT POINT.
# 340 Q: AND YOU LATER FOUND OUT THAT THE PRESS WAS NOT ONLY IN THE VICINITY OF THE BRONCO, BUT HAD SPILLED COFFEE ON THE HOOD OF THE BRONCO WHILE IT WAS BEING SECURED BY YOUR OFFICERS, DID YOU NOT?
# 341 A: I WAS TOLD THAT BY YOU, YES.
KEY QUOTE # 342 Q: HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD THAT BY ANYONE ELSE?
# 343 A: I SAW IT IN THE -- I SAW THAT THERE WERE COFFEE STAINS TO BE DISREGARDED IN THE TOW REPORT, YES.
# 344 Q: AND YOU ALSO HAVE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF A CIVILIAN RUNNING UP AND TOUCHING THE EXACT AREA WHERE YOU SAW THE BLOOD, DID YOU NOT?
# 345 A: I SAW PHOTOGRAPHS OF A -- WHAT APPEARED TO BE A WOMAN LOOKING INTO THE VEHICLE, YES.
# 346 Q: YOU ARE AWARE THAT THINGS WERE STOLEN FROM THAT BRONCO, WERE YOU NOT?
# 347 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, HEARSAY.
# 348 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 349 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: YOU ARE AWARE THAT BRONCO WAS NEVER PROPERLY PROTECTED, ARE YOU NOT?
# 350 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, HEARSAY.
# 351 THE COURT: CALLS FOR A CONCLUSION. SUSTAINED.
# 353 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: YOU WERE AWARE OF EVIDENCE REGARDING A BLANKET THAT WAS TAKEN FROM BUNDY TO BE USED ON ONE OF THE VICTIMS, WERE YOU NOT?
# 354 A: NO, I WASN'T. I WASN'T AT BUNDY WHEN THAT WAS DONE.
# 355 Q: ARE YOU AWARE THAT WAS DONE?
# 357 Q: AND IS THAT PROPER PROCEDURE, TO TAKE A BLANKET FROM A HOME, TAKE IT OUTSIDE AND USE TO IT COVER A VICTIM?
# 358 A: WELL, I THINK THAT SHOWS PROPER RESPECT FOR A VICTIM THAT IS LAYING IN PUBLIC VIEW THAT CAN BE SEEN, THAT THE DETECTIVE OR THE POLICE OFFICER HAS ENOUGH RESPECT TO TRY AND COVER THAT PERSON, YES.
# 359 Q: I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT I'M ASKING YOU A BLANKET FROM A HOUSE, COULD THAT HAVE HAD TRACE EVIDENCE ON IT?
# 360 A: THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, SURE.
# 361 Q: IF MR. SIMPSON HAD BEEN A GUEST IN THAT HOME, MIGHT HIS HAIR BE ON THAT BLANKET?
# 362 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
# 363 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 364 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: IS IT POSSIBLE HIS HAIR COULD BE ON THAT BLANKET?
# 365 MR. DARDEN: SAME OBJECTION.
# 366 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 367 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WERE YOU CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SEMEN ON THAT BLANKET THAT WHEN COMING IN CONTACT WITH BLOOD FROM THE VICTIM COULD CONTAMINATE DNA?
# 368 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. THE WITNESS WASN'T THERE. CALLS FOR SPECULATION.
# 369 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 370 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WOULD THAT BE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN TO HAVE AS THE LEAD DETECTIVE?
# 371 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 372 THE COURT: WELL, HE HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED HE WAS CONCERNED THERE MIGHT BE TRACE EVIDENCE ON IT. THAT COVERS A WHOLE PANOPLY OF THINGS.
# 373 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: THAT BLANKET ITSELF MAY HAVE HAD TRACE EVIDENCE, RIGHT?
# 374 MR. DARDEN: CALLS FOR SPECULATION, YOUR HONOR.
# 375 THE COURT: OVERRULED. HE HAS ALREADY TESTIFIED TO THIS.
# 376 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WOULD IT BE PROPER TO LEAVE THAT BLANKET AT THE SCENE AND NOT TAKE IT AS EVIDENCE?
# 377 A: THAT WAS A DETERMINATION THAT WAS MADE BY MY PARTNER.
# 378 Q: MY QUESTION IS WOULD IT BE PROPER?
# 379 A: THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. IT COULD BE; IT COULDN'T.
# 380 Q: WHAT IS YOUR OPINION?
# 381 A: WELL, I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT EITHER. I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE THE SAME DETERMINATION MY PARTNER DID.
# 382 MR. SHAPIRO: JUST ANOTHER MINUTE, YOUR HONOR, PLEASE.
# 383 THE COURT: CERTAINLY.
# 385 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: YOU TESTIFIED REGARDING WESTEC, THAT WESTEC CAME ON THEIR OWN WHILE YOU WERE AT THE ROCKINGHAM SCENE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 386 A: THERE WAS A UNIT, YES, THAT WAS TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND ON ROCKINGHAM THAT WAS WAVED DOWN BY DETECTIVE PHILLIPS.
# 387 Q: WHO WERE THE OCCUPANTS OF THAT VEHICLE?
# 388 A: IT WAS A ONE-MAN UNIT AND I DON'T RECALL THE PRIVATE SECURITY OFFICER'S NAME.
# 389 Q: DID YOU ALSO CAUSE WESTEC TO BE CALLED AND ASK FOR A UNIT TO BE SENT OUT?
# 390 A: I ASKED DETECTIVE PHILLIPS TO CONTACT THEM TO SEE IF WE COULD GET ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE ESTATE THERE, YES.
# 392 A: TO MY KNOWLEDGE HE DID, YES.
# 393 Q: DID HE ASK, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, FOR A UNIT TO BE SENT OUT?
# 394 A: I THINK THAT OCCURRED WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO THE FIRST UNIT THERE REGARDING A PHONE NUMBER. I THINK THAT UNIT REQUESTED A SUPERVISOR BE SENT TO THE LOCATION.
# 395 Q: WHAT TIME WAS THAT?
# 396 A: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND -- I BELIEVE AROUND 5:30 IN THE MORNING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
# 397 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.) # 398 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: AND WHAT TIME DID THAT UNIT ARRIVE?
# 399 A: WITHIN A VERY SHORT TIME.
# 400 Q: DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME SERGEANT ROSSI CALLED WESTEC?
# 402 Q: DO YOU HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS IN YOUR MURDER BOOK TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION AS TO WHAT TIME SERGEANT ROSSI CALLED WESTEC?
# 403 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION.
# 404 THE COURT: OVERRULED.
# 405 DET. PHILIP VANNATTER: YES. I'M SURE THERE IS DOCUMENTS IN THERE, YES.
# 406 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: IF I SHOWED YOU THAT, WOULD THAT HELP YOU?
# 408 Q: LET ME SHOW YOU PAGE 0641 OF YOUR MURDER BOOK. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT DOCUMENT BEFORE?
# 410 Q: IS THAT A DOCUMENT FROM YOUR MURDER BOOK?
# 412 Q: AND DOES THAT REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AS TO WHAT TIME SERGEANT ROSSI CALLED WESTEC?
# 413 A: THIS IS A -- THIS IS A HANDWRITTEN NOTE THAT SOMEONE MADE. I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ACTUAL TIMED -- TIMED TRANSCRIPT THAT WOULD SHOW THE TIMES, BUT THIS INDICATES THAT --
# 414 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, THIS IS HEARSAY.
# 415 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. JUST USED TO REFRESH HIS RECOLLECTION.
# 416 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: DOES IT REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AS TO WHAT TIME WESTEC WAS CALLED?
# 417 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. HE NEVER HAD ORIGINAL INFORMATION.
# 418 THE COURT: OVERRULED. HE INDICATED WOULD IT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION.
# 419 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: MY QUESTION IS DOES IT?
# 420 A: WHEN THEY WERE FIRST CALLED?
# 421 Q: WHEN THEY WERE CALLED BY LAPD?
# 422 A: WELL, I DIDN'T MAKE THE PHONE CALLS. I BELIEVE THE FIRST PHONE CALL WAS MADE APPROXIMATELY 5:15 TO 5:30.
# 423 Q: I'M ASKING YOU IF THIS DOCUMENT, SIR, REFRESHES YOUR RECOLLECTION?
# 424 A: NO. NO, THIS IS NOTES. THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
# 425 Q: WHOSE NOTES ARE THOSE?
# 427 Q: WHY ARE THEY MURDER IN THE BOOK?
# 429 Q: WHO PUT THEM IN THE MURDER BOOK?
# 430 A: OBVIOUSLY WE DID. THEY CAME FROM SOMEONE. MAYBE SERGEANT ROSSI. I DON'T KNOW.
# 431 Q: WELL, SERGEANT ROSSI, IF HE MADE THOSE NOTES, WOULD BE IN THE COURSE OF HIS OFFICIAL DUTIES; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 432 A: I DON'T KNOW WHOSE NOTES THOSE ARE.
# 433 Q: DON'T THOSE NOTES INDICATE THAT THE CALL WAS MADE --
# 434 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR.
# 435 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 436 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WOULD IT BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CHECK ON THIS INFORMATION, SINCE IT DIFFERS FROM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE GIVING US?
# 437 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION.
# 438 THE COURT: SUSTAINED. THE JURY IS TO DISREGARD THE IMPLICATION OF THE QUESTION.
# 440 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHEN YOU RETURNED TO -- DID YOU EVER RETURN TO THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE PRIOR TO THE TAPE BEING REMOVED?
# 443 A: IT WAS ON TWO OCCASIONS. I STOPPED THERE ON MY WAY FROM ROCKINGHAM TO WEST LOS ANGELES STATION TO INFORM MY PARTNER OF WHAT I WAS PREPARING TO DO.
# 444 Q: AND THAT WAS TO GET A SEARCH WARRANT?
# 445 A: YES. AND THEN I STOPPED BACK BY THERE ON MY WAY BACK TO ROCKINGHAM WITH THE WARRANT TO INFORM MY PARTNER OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
# 446 Q: I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE GRAND JURY TESTIMONY YOU GAVE IN THIS CASE, PAGE 336 AND PAGE 337. I HAVE GIVEN COUNSEL A COPY. DO YOU RECALL TESTIFYING BEFORE A GRAND JURY IN THIS CASE?
# 448 Q: AND WHEN YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, THERE IS NO LAWYER REPRESENTING THE --
# 449 MS. CLARK: OBJECTION.
# 450 MR. DARDEN: OBJECTION. THIS IS IRRELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.
# 451 THE COURT: SUSTAINED.
# 452 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: WHEN YOU TESTIFIED BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, WERE YOU ASKED SOME QUESTIONS BY A DISTRICT ATTORNEY?
# 456 Q: AND DID MISS CLARK ASK YOU THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS: "I BELIEVE YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WENT TO SECURE A SEARCH WARRANT FOR THE LOCATION OF 360 ROCKINGHAM? "ANSWER: THAT'S CORRECT." AND THEN SHE ASKED: "AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?" DO YOU RECALL THAT?
# 457 A: THAT IS POSSIBLE, YES.
# 458 Q: AND DO YOU RECALL YOUR ANSWER: "AFTER SECURING THE WARRANT I RETURNED TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION"?
# 459 A: THAT IS WHAT I ULTIMATELY DID.
# 460 Q: YOU DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING THAT YOU WENT TO BUNDY NEXT?
# 461 A: NO. WHAT I ULTIMATELY DID WAS I RETURNED TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION.
# 462 Q: AND WHEN YOU WERE AT BUNDY DID YOU EVER WALK INTO ANY AREAS CONTAINING POTENTIAL EVIDENCE WHILE THE CRIME SCENE WAS STILL SECURE?
# 463 A: THAT IS POSSIBLE AT ONE POINT, YES. I MAY HAVE.
# 464 Q: DID YOU WALK INTO ANY BLOOD EVIDENCE WHILE THE CRIME SCENE WAS STILL SECURE?
# 466 MR. SHAPIRO: MAY WE SHOW THE VIDEO, PLEASE?
# 467 THE COURT: HAVE WE MARKED THIS?
# 468 MR. SHAPIRO: YES. THIS SHOULD BE 1049.
# 470 MR. SHAPIRO: 1059, I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME.
# 471 (AT 11:40 A.M., DEFENSE EXHIBIT 1059, A VIDEOTAPE, WAS PLAYED.) # 472 MR. SHAPIRO: MAY WE STOP THAT RIGHT THERE, PLEASE.
# 473 Q: CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE IN THAT VIDEO?
# 474 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) # 475 THE COURT: DO YOU WANT TO RUN IT BACK?
# 476 Q: BY MR. SHAPIRO: CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE THAT VIDEO, SIR?
# 477 A: YES. I SAW THREE PEOPLE FROM THE START. IT WAS MYSELF, LIEUTENANT ROGERS AND CRIMINALIST FUNG.
# 478 Q: CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE PERSON THAT APPEARS TO BE STANDING ON A SHEET COVERED WITH BLOOD?
# 479 A: YES. THAT IS MYSELF.
KEY QUOTE # 480 MR. SHAPIRO: THANK YOU.
# 481 Q: YOU EXAMINED THE INDEX FINGER OF MR. SIMPSON AND OBSERVED IT TO HAVE A CUT WHICH YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED HERE; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 483 Q: AND I TAKE IT YOU EXAMINED THE LEFT-HAND GLOVE AT BUNDY; IS THAT CORRECT?
# 484 A: I DIDN'T. I HAD IT EXAMINED.
# 485 Q: AND WAS A CUT FOUND ON THE LEFT HAND GLOVE AT BUNDY THAT WOULD BE IN THE AREA OF THE CUT ON O.J. SIMPSON'S LEFT HAND?
# 487 MR. SHAPIRO: NOTHING FURTHER.