All right. Thank you, counsel.

I will rephrase it.

Thank you, Mr. Blasier, for finding that in your database.

Sir, in this case testimony was presented that as of 9:45 on June 12th, 1994, the Defendant was wearing dark blue or black like cotton type sweatsuit. And in the question I posed to you earlier you indicated that you did find fibers like that in some of the evidence that you collected in this case?

I did, yes.

And did you examine the actual items, the Rockingham glove, Ronald Goldman's shirt and the Defendant's socks?

I looked at debris that was removed from these items.

And did you also see the items themselves?

I did at some point, yes.

Cut the feed for this, your Honor. I'm sorry.

Yes.

Now, you have examined the crime scene photographs, some of them in this case, correct?

I have, yes.

Were you able to determine where on Mr. Goldman's shirt you found the blue black cotton fiber?

No.

People's 167, your Honor.

The Defendant's socks depicted in this photograph, sir, did you actually examine the items themselves?

I saw the socks at a later date, yes.

Were you able to determine where on the socks the blue black cotton fiber was found?

No.

Can you tell us, sir, what conclusion you reached concerning the blue black cotton fibers found on the Rockingham glove, Ron Goldman's shirt and the sock found in the Defendant's bedroom?

What appearance would those fibers have in a piece of fabric in terms of color?

They would be black. It would look black.

May I pull off the result, your Honor?

All right. Miss Clark, does that complete the items on that board?

I believe it does, your Honor.

All right. Then I would ask you to bring it down to this end of the jury box, because it is hard to see the detail.

Thank you.

All right. Thank you. Miss Clark.

Thank you, your Honor.

Now, Mr. Deedrick, did you have a photo board prepared to demonstrate to the jury the blue black cotton fibers that you were able to match that you found on Ron Goldman's shirt--that you found consistent on Ron Goldman's shirt?

Excuse me.

I object and ask to approach.

No. It has been rephrased. Proceed.

The blue black cotton fibers that you found to be consistent with each other exhibited the same microscopic characteristics that you found on Ron Goldman's shirt, on the Defendant's socks and on the Rockingham glove?

Yes, I did prepare a board.

Ask to mark this as People's 4--

87.

--87. Thank you.

All right, sir. If you wouldn't mind stepping down with a pointer to explain to us what we see on this board.

(Witness complies.) Okay. The board consists of eight photographs, the top three being from the Rockingham glove on the left, from Ron Goldman's shirt in the middle and from the socks from the Defendant's residence. Numbers--the numbers we have are Q3B in the laboratory, which refers to the Rockingham glove, Q23 from Ron Goldman's shirt, and Q37 which would have been our item number for the socks. The photographs that you see, these would be the cotton fibers, the dark ones with the blue accent or portions of the fiber that are blue. The brownish fiber in the background would be from the cashmere. That is the lining fibers. Q23, that is a clump of fiber here from Ron Goldman's shirt and this is a fiber from the socks from the Defendant. The next three photographs depict again another photograph from the Rockingham glove fiber, a fiber from Ron Goldman's shirt and another fiber that was removed from the Defendant's socks. The bottom two photographs, another fiber here which appears to have blood on the surface from the Rockingham glove and another fiber located next to a hair that--that hair was like the hairs of Nicole Brown and that is one of the fibers that was lying next to it.

So Q23 at the bottom here of this chart actually shows a hair that you determined to be consistent with those of Nicole Brown associated with one of the blue black cotton fibers that you determined to be consistent with those found on the Defendant's socks and the Rockingham glove?

That's right. You are right, all from the same item. And again, I said before, there were a number of hairs that were found on Ron Goldman's shirt.

Your Honor, I object and move to strike the statements "All from the same item."

Overruled.

And this Q23 that was taken off the--that was found on Ron Goldman's shirt?

That's right. All three center photographs were photographs of the fibers recovered from Ron Goldman's shirt.

Can you tell us, sir, what this--this blue black cotton fiber, this would have been a natural fiber, correct?

Natural plant fiber.

And what method of comparison or examinations did you use with respect to those blue black cotton fibers?

Well, the fibers are compared microscopically with a comparison microscope. They are also compared with fluorescent microspectrophotometry by the color, so the color is compared as well instrumentally. That would be the methods that were employed.

Now, given what you said earlier about fibers and the fact that they come and go, what is significant to you about this new black cotton fiber that you found on the three different items of evidence in this case?

Object to the form.

Overruled.

Okay. I stated previously that fibers don't exist a long time and routinely the fibers that you find on an item often reflect the last contacts that they have occurred with that item. The blood associated or what appears to be blood associated with the Rockingham glove fiber probably caused the fiber to adhere, so that appears to be a contiguous or an event that is happening about the same time, fiber coming in contact with the glove, it sticks to the glove and that is how we end up finding it. The shirt, the shirt fibers are the same thing. Any fibers that you find on an item of clothing, at least within a certain number of fibers that you find, again may reflect the recent contact and there is no absolutes here, but you do find that recent contacts will result in fibers that you do find. The clump of fibers here associated with the cashmere like fibers that you see on the upper left, again it is a clump of fibers, a group of fibers that are found, as opposed to just a loose fragment.

A clump?

Well, it appears to be a clump. A clump. There is actually a group of fibers here, maybe two or possibly three fibers in this particular region.

On the Rockingham glove?

The same with Ron Goldman's shirt, another clump which may have been just a loose clump of fibers that we often find on our clothes, a tuft of fibers.

Now, you saw a lot of fibers in this case, correct?

A lot, yes.

Was there something unusual about these particular blue black cotton fibers that drew your attention or made you pay particular attention to them?

Yes. Well, cotton fibers themselves they are common. There is a lot of cotton fibers out there. What gives cotton fibers significance is that when you add color to them in a specific way, some you see more, maybe less likely than others. These particular--these are--actually it is a real dark blue, it looks black, but in some areas the dye was not absorbed the same and this may be where the yarns are attached to the fabric. The same thing appeared also on the fibers that were recovered from Ron Goldman's shirt. The bluish area, also present here. It was recovered from the Defendant's socks, (Indicating). The bluish area here, (Indicating), is starting to show. Some of these areas can--can better be shown using instrumental techniques with color, because the eyeball sees this as a shade of blue, this as a shade of blue and so forth. The instrument, the microspectrophotometer can actually break down this color, its components, and then you compare the absorption spectra which is an assistance to the eye comparison.

I think you sometime last week marked a chart showing the wave patterns of light absorption?

That's right.

You indicated that that was a method you could use to compare fibers to one another to see if they could have had a common source?

Right. It is a tool that is used to help the examiner to make a decision on whether the fibers are alike or different.

Was that method used with respect to the blue black cotton fibers in this case?

It was, yes.

And a chart was generated?

I think there were several charts generated, yes.

And what did those charts indicate?

It indicated to me that the absorption spectra were the same. That is the dye components that were present that make up the color that we see are the same. Still can't say that they all came from the same fabric. You have to understand all it says is that they appear to exhibit similar properties, both instrumentally and visually.

Did you prepare another chart, photographs pertaining to this blue black cotton fiber?

Yes, I did.

Your Honor, this other chart has three photographs on it and it shows the known cotton fiber from Goldman's jeans on the left-hand side as you face it and two other photographs concerning the blue black cotton fiber. Ask that it be marked People's 480--

488.

If I could ask Jonathan to hold it for the brief period of questioning for Mr. Deedrick.

All right. That is Mr. Fairtlough.

No, I meant--for Mr. Deedrick. Thank you, Mr. Fairtlough. Oh, I said Jonathan. Thank you.

Can you please describe to us what you have attempted to depict on this chart that has been marked as People's 488?

A couple things here. One, just give you an idea what the blue jean cotton fibers look like. The blue jean cotton fibers, you see areas where the dye is absorbed to lighter than others, and the more fading that you have with blue jeans, the color just bleaches out and you will see some white. Even though they look blue, there is actually white fibers that are mixed in there with it. But the purpose of showing you this photograph was to show you the difference between this particular fiber and this particular fiber down here, (Indicating), that are also cotton, but they are colored differently.

For the record, when he said this particular item and this particular item, he was referring to the photographs labeled as Q23.

Yes.

Now, both of the photographs that you see on the right-hand side of the photograph were fibers that were recovered from Ron Goldman's shirt. The one in particular at the top right, you can see how closely associated it is with a hair that exhibited the same characteristics as Nicole Brown. In fact, it somehow wrapped itself around the hair.

Mr. Deedrick, let me ask you a real quick question here. This item Q23 on this chart that was recovered from the shirt of Ronald Goldman shows the blue black cotton fiber wrapped around the hair that you describe as being consistent with those of Nicole Brown. How could it have come--become wrapped around in that manner?

Well, the hair has to actually roll, it has to roll across the fiber. Either that fiber is a loose fiber that happened just to land on it and rolled over it, or the hair rolled on the fabric. If the hair rolls on a fabric surface that is comprised of these fibers, there is a good chance that that hair, depending on what type of material is on the hair, can actually cause the roll effect and the fiber will roll right around the hair. That is how it ended up in that state.

Do you have an opinion as to how it occurred in this particular case?

Well, it is difficult to know exactly how that fiber got there. Perhaps again the two methods I mentioned; one being maybe a little more likely than the other. If it actually landed on the fiber and rolled, that would be less likely, in my opinion, than if it actually came in contact with the fabric, which would be a more likely event.

So for example, if--if the Defendant wearing a dark cotton sweatsuit that had fibers like those you have described here in these charts, the blue black cotton fibers, and he attacked Nicole Brown with his sleeve coming into contact with her hair, could that account for the manner in which you found the fabric wrapped around hair like those of Nicole Brown?

Now, the bottom photograph here, is that another area of the same hair and fiber depicted in the upper photograph?

I don't believe so, no. That is another fiber.

Another blue black fiber on Ron Goldman's shirt?

Right. There were what, a number of fibers, I don't recall the exact number, that were found on Ron Goldman's shirt.

And just above it, is that a hair above it there, (Indicating)?

Yes. Again, I had 35 hairs, remember, off of this that were like Nicole Brown's on Ron Goldman's shirt and these are on those slides, the same slides.

So is this hair depicted in the lower photograph next to the blue black cotton fiber also consistent with the hairs of Nicole Brown?

I believe that hair is. Again, I'm only going by a fuzzy photograph here, but a lot of the fibers and hairs were in close proximity. I'm not implying and I don't want to imply in this instance here that this fiber is like this fiber in the sense of how it is oriented. It just happened to land on the hair.

Juror no. 7, can you see this exhibit.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you. Could we take this chart down to the end, your Honor. Mr. Fairtlough. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Fairtlough. Miss Clark.

Thank you, your Honor.