OJ Simpson's elderly mother, Eunice Simpson, takes the stand as a defense witness, providing sympathetic background on her son's upbringing and her observations of him on the evening of June 13, 1994. The examination serves two strategic purposes: establishing OJ's emotional devastation after learning of Nicole's death, and laying groundwork for the arthritis defense by documenting a family history of rheumatoid arthritis that OJ shares.
# 1 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you very kindly, your Honor. We'll next call Miss Eunice Simpson to the stand.
Eunice Durden Simpson, called as a witness by the Defendant, was sworn and testified as follows:
# 2 THE COURT: Mrs. Robertson.
# 3 THE CLERK: Ma'am, can you raise your right hand, please? Ma'am, can you raise your right hand, please? Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this Court, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
# 5 THE CLERK: Thank you. Can you state your name for the record.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. COCHRAN
# 6 MR. COCHRAN: Please state your name for the record, please.
# 7 MRS. SIMPSON: My name is Eunice Durden Simpson.
# 8 MR. COCHRAN: Eunice Durden, D-U-R-D-E-N?
# 9 MRS. SIMPSON: My maiden name, Durden.
# 10 MR. COCHRAN: Simpson. Good afternoon, Miss Simpson.
# 11 MRS. SIMPSON: Good afternoon.
# 12 MR. COCHRAN: If I keep my voice up, I'll ask you to keep your voice up also. Will you do that for us? Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me okay?
# 14 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And I'm going to ask you to speak right into the microphone. Is that okay?
# 16 MR. COCHRAN: Now, Miss Simpson, I want to direct you to the gentleman at the far end of counsel table, Mr. O.J. Simpson. And are you related to him in some way?
# 17 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes. I'm his mother.
# 18 MR. COCHRAN: And how many children do you have, Miss Simpson?
# 19 MRS. SIMPSON: I have four children.
# 20 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And tell us their names and what order you had them in.
# 21 MRS. SIMPSON: My first is Miss Shirley Baker and Melvin Leon Simpson who we call Truman and O.J., Orenthal James, my no. 2 son, and Carmelita Simpson Durio.
# 22 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And the--your two daughters--well, Carmelita is here and Shirley is in the back of the courtroom; is that correct?
# 23 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 24 MR. COCHRAN: And you have one other son older than O.J.; is that correct?
# 25 MRS. SIMPSON: Correct.
# 26 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You called him Orenthal James; is that right? You called your son Orenthal James Simpson?
# 27 MRS. SIMPSON: I call him O.J.
# 28 MR. COCHRAN: All right. How did he get the name Orenthal James?
# 29 MRS. SIMPSON: O.J. is short for--just short because he never liked Orenthal James.
# 30 MR. COCHRAN: All right. How was he named Orenthal James?
# 31 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, his--my sister--
# 32 MR. DARDEN: Objection. Irrelevant.
# 33 MRS. SIMPSON: My sister named him.
# 34 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 35 MR. COCHRAN: Your sister named him that. But you call him O.J.; is that right?
# 36 MRS. SIMPSON: I call him O.J.
# 37 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, where do you presently live, Miss Simpson?
# 38 MRS. SIMPSON: I presently live at 101 Apollo--
# 39 MR. COCHRAN: Well, you don't have to give your address. But--I'm sorry. Let me ask it another way. What city do you presently live in?
# 40 MRS. SIMPSON: San Francisco, California.
# 41 MR. COCHRAN: And for how many years have you lived in San Francisco?
# 42 MRS. SIMPSON: I've lived there for about 28 years.
# 43 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And were you born in another state in--
# 45 MR. COCHRAN: --this union?
# 47 MR. COCHRAN: And was that the great state of Louisiana?
# 48 MRS. SIMPSON: Louisiana.
# 49 MR. COCHRAN: All right. What part of Louisiana were you born in?
# 50 MRS. SIMPSON: Shreveport, Louisiana.
# 51 MR. COCHRAN: And after you left Louisiana, did you go to the state of Florida?
# 52 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 53 MR. COCHRAN: And did your husband work in some other states for a while?
# 54 MRS. SIMPSON: He was in service.
# 55 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And then did you go to Michigan?
# 56 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 57 MR. COCHRAN: And then you finally settled in California in San Francisco?
# 58 MRS. SIMPSON: I did.
# 59 MR. COCHRAN: And you lived in San Francisco since that time?
# 60 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 61 MR. COCHRAN: Now, how were you employed when you worked? What kind of work did you do?
# 62 MRS. SIMPSON: I was first employed as an orderly and I went on to psychiatric technician.
# 63 MR. COCHRAN: You worked as a psychiatric technician?
# 64 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 65 MR. COCHRAN: At what hospital did you work?
# 67 MR. COCHRAN: Where was it?
# 68 MRS. SIMPSON: At San Francisco general hospital.
# 69 MR. COCHRAN: And how many years did you work at San Francisco general hospital?
# 70 MRS. SIMPSON: 38 years.
# 71 MR. COCHRAN: And you worked in the psychiatric ward?
# 72 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 73 MR. COCHRAN: And how many of those years did you work in the psychiatric ward?
# 74 MRS. SIMPSON: I don't understand.
# 75 MR. COCHRAN: Did you work all 38 years in the psychiatric ward?
# 76 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 77 MR. COCHRAN: You were at one time an orderly and then you changed positions after that?
# 78 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 79 MR. COCHRAN: All right. While you were working, did you raise these four children yourself?
# 80 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 81 MR. COCHRAN: Did--at some point, Mr. Simpson was out of the home?
# 82 MRS. SIMPSON: I don't understand.
# 83 MR. COCHRAN: Did you separate from your husband Mr. Simpson at some point?
# 84 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 85 MR. COCHRAN: And did you then raise these children yourself?
# 86 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 87 MR. COCHRAN: Did you work at night--
# 88 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 89 MR. COCHRAN: --during those years?
# 90 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 91 MR. COCHRAN: How many years did you work at night at San Francisco general hospital?
# 92 MRS. SIMPSON: 17 years while they were in school, young.
# 93 MR. COCHRAN: You worked at night so you could take care of them during the day?
# 94 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 95 MR. COCHRAN: Now, are you active, still active in your church in San Francisco?
# 96 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I am.
# 97 MR. COCHRAN: What church is that?
# 98 MRS. SIMPSON: Evergreen Baptist Church, San Francisco.
# 99 MR. COCHRAN: And do you still participate in some Sunday school there?
# 100 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I do.
# 101 THE COURT: Counsel, I think some of this is--
# 102 MR. COCHRAN: Yes. I'll move on, your Honor. Just one other question in this area.
# 103 MR. COCHRAN: What do you do at the Sunday school?
# 104 MRS. SIMPSON: Pardon?
# 105 MR. COCHRAN: What do you do at Sunday school at your church?
# 106 MRS. SIMPSON: I play the piano.
# 107 MR. COCHRAN: You try to go every Sunday?
# 108 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 109 MR. COCHRAN: Now, Miss Simpson, with regard to your son's house at Rockingham here in Los Angeles, have you been coming down to visit him at that house for a number of years?
# 110 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 111 MR. COCHRAN: And how many grandchildren do you have altogether?
# 112 MRS. SIMPSON: I have--
# 113 MR. COCHRAN: A lot?
# 114 MRS. SIMPSON: --nine.
# 115 MR. COCHRAN: All right. About nine?
# 117 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And you're aware of course that your son has four children?
# 118 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 119 MR. COCHRAN: And with regard to the Rockingham residence and your son's marriage to Miss Nicole Brown Simpson, would you come down on occasion to visit that residence?
# 120 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 121 MR. COCHRAN: Would you come down to try and see the children?
# 122 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 123 MR. COCHRAN: How often would you try to come down from San Francisco to see the children?
# 124 MRS. SIMPSON: After the first born of Nicole and O.J.'s, I tried to come every three months.
# 125 MR. COCHRAN: And why did you try to come every three months?
# 126 MRS. SIMPSON: Because I wanted the chil--them to know me.
# 127 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And did you try to do that, did you, over a period of time?
# 129 MR. COCHRAN: Now, with regard to your son O.J., when he was born, was he born with any particular problem?
# 130 MR. DARDEN: Objection. Irrelevant.
# 131 MR. COCHRAN: It will be relevant, your Honor. It will be relevant.
# 132 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 133 MR. COCHRAN: Was he born with any particular problem?
# 134 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, he was.
# 135 MR. COCHRAN: And what was that problem?
# 136 MRS. SIMPSON: He had rickets.
# 137 MR. COCHRAN: And what are rickets?
# 138 MRS. SIMPSON: Rickets are soft bones, lack of calcium.
# 139 MR. COCHRAN: And did you do something special regarding him in the early years?
# 140 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, it was.
# 141 MR. COCHRAN: What did you do?
# 142 MRS. SIMPSON: Well, I felt it was best because it was my fault.
KEY QUOTE # 143 MR. COCHRAN: Why was it your fault?
# 144 MRS. SIMPSON: Because I nursed my no. 1 son while I was carrying him.
# 145 MR. COCHRAN: In other words, you nursed your no. 1 son while you were pregnant with O.J.?
# 146 MRS. SIMPSON: Correct.
# 147 MR. COCHRAN: So--well, you shouldn't blame yourself, but you felt that was your fault?
# 148 MRS. SIMPSON: I do.
# 149 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And what did you do regarding his rickets if anything?
# 150 MR. DARDEN: Objection, your Honor. Irrelevant.
# 151 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 152 MRS. SIMPSON: What did I do?
# 153 MR. COCHRAN: What did you do to make his legs better or stronger?
# 154 MRS. SIMPSON: Well, between the doctor and the doctor's medicine and home remedies and mostly tender loving care.
# 155 MR. COCHRAN: All right. That's probably the best of all. All right. Now, ma'am, with regard to you and your son, would he on occasion have occasion to come and visit you in San Francisco?
# 156 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 157 MR. COCHRAN: On any particular kind of days, would he come to San Francisco to visit you?
# 158 MRS. SIMPSON: Well, mostly was holidays and off-season time, when he wasn't working.
# 159 MR. COCHRAN: All right. When he wasn't playing football or being a sportscaster?
# 160 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 161 MR. COCHRAN: Now, would he on occasion discuss with you any kind of problems that he was having?
# 162 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, yes.
# 163 MR. COCHRAN: Would you give him your best advice?
# 164 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, to my best ability.
# 165 MR. COCHRAN: Now, I want to direct your attention, ma'am, to the date of Monday, June 13th, 1994. At some time on that date, did you find out that your former daughter-in-law, Nicole Brown Simpson, had been killed? Did you find that out?
# 166 MRS. SIMPSON: I found it out, yes.
# 167 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And somebody called you and told you that?
# 169 MR. COCHRAN: And did you at that point, after learning that, come to Southern California, come to Los Angeles?
# 170 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 171 MR. COCHRAN: And tell us how you came to Southern California, to Los Angeles.
# 172 MRS. SIMPSON: I flew I think it was United.
# 173 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And who did you come with if you recall?
# 174 MRS. SIMPSON: My daughter Shirley.
# 175 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. You and Shirley came together?
# 176 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 177 MR. COCHRAN: And about what time did you arrive in Los Angeles at the airport if you recall?
# 178 MRS. SIMPSON: I would say somewhere a little after 4 o'clock.
# 179 MR. COCHRAN: In the afternoon?
# 180 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 181 MR. COCHRAN: And that was on Monday the 13th, right?
# 182 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 183 MR. COCHRAN: And thereafter, did you have occasion--did you then go to the Rockingham Avenue residence?
# 184 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes. We went there first.
# 185 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You went right to the house?
# 186 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 187 MR. COCHRAN: And were you able to get into the house right away?
# 188 MRS. SIMPSON: No. They told us that we couldn't go in and directed us to the jail.
# 189 MR. COCHRAN: So you couldn't get into your house--the Rockingham house at first; is that correct?
# 191 MR. COCHRAN: All right. At some point that afternoon, did you come back and were you able to get into Rockingham?
# 192 MRS. SIMPSON: As soon as we were told that we could go back.
# 193 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You were told you could go back at some point?
# 194 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 195 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Do you know about what time that was, you were told you could come back? Was it after 6 o'clock?
# 196 MRS. SIMPSON: I--no, I don't.
# 197 MR. COCHRAN: All right. But you were still with your daughter Shirley; is that correct?
# 198 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 199 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And then at some point, you came back to the Rockingham residence; is that right?
# 200 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 201 MR. COCHRAN: When you got back to the Rockingham residence, ma'am, after you got there, did you get a chance to see your son, Orenthal James Simpson?
# 202 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 203 MR. COCHRAN: And did you get a chance to talk to him--
# 204 MRS. SIMPSON: Right away.
# 205 MR. COCHRAN: --after you got back? Were you in a particular room in the house when you saw him and you were talking to him?
# 206 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes. In the--in the sitting room.
# 207 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Is the sitting room, is that the room where the televisions are?
# 209 MR. COCHRAN: And describe for the jury how you were sitting in that room. Were you sitting on a couch or something like that?
# 210 MRS. SIMPSON: He was sitting on a couch.
# 211 MR. COCHRAN: And where were you sitting?
# 212 MRS. SIMPSON: I sat--when he stood up, he helped sit me down right next to him.
# 213 MR. COCHRAN: So you sat right next to him; is that right?
# 214 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 215 MR. COCHRAN: Did you in any way touch him at that point or was he touching you?
# 216 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, yes. We were gripping each other.
# 217 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You were gripping each other? And how was he gripping or holding you?
# 218 MRS. SIMPSON: Very tightly.
# 219 MR. COCHRAN: What was he touching?
# 220 MRS. SIMPSON: My hand. At first, a hug and then my hands.
# 221 MR. COCHRAN: All right. He continued to hold your hand for a period of time?
# 222 MRS. SIMPSON: All during the time.
# 223 MR. COCHRAN: And as you sat there, did you get a chance to notice your son and notice how he seemed at that point? Did you look at him?
# 224 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 225 MR. COCHRAN: Did he seem upset to you?
# 226 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, he seemed very upset. Shocked.
KEY QUOTE # 227 MR. COCHRAN: And you observed this yourself?
# 228 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 229 MR. COCHRAN: And you sat there right next to him, did you?
# 230 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 231 MR. COCHRAN: Now, during this period of time, how long did you all stay in this family room with you sitting right next to him and the two of you more or less holding hands? How long did that go on if you recall?
# 232 MRS. SIMPSON: Well, from the time that I arrived there until he decided to go upstairs and go to bed.
# 233 MR. COCHRAN: In other words, you two kind of stayed right there close to each other; is that right?
# 234 MRS. SIMPSON: Together. Right.
# 235 MR. COCHRAN: Would you talk on occasion? Would you talk to each other?
# 236 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, we did, as much as we could.
# 237 MR. COCHRAN: You can't tell us what you talked about, but you talked?
# 238 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, we did.
# 239 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Now, were there other people that were there and came in and out of that house that evening, ma'am?
# 240 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, there were.
# 241 MR. COCHRAN: Did you know all the people who were there?
# 242 MRS. SIMPSON: No, I didn't.
# 243 MR. COCHRAN: Did you know some of the people who were there?
# 244 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 245 MR. COCHRAN: Now, before this date of June 13th, 1994, did you know a person by the name of Ron Shipp?
# 246 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 247 MR. COCHRAN: And do you know how long you had known Ron Shipp before that date?
# 248 MRS. SIMPSON: I'd say about three years. I met him at a thanksgiving dinner.
# 249 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Three years prior to 1994?
# 250 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 251 MR. COCHRAN: And so you had seen him on occasions before this particular date, is that correct, the June date?
# 252 MRS. SIMPSON: Right. Right.
# 253 MR. COCHRAN: What was Mr. Ron Shipp doing when you saw him on June 13th, 1994?
# 254 MRS. SIMPSON: He was going to play tennis on the tennis court.
# 255 MR. COCHRAN: Was this at some earlier time?
# 256 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 257 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, let's go back to the date when you came down here after you found out that Nicole had--Nicole Simpson had been killed. What was he doing that day inside the house when you were sitting with O.J. on the couch?
# 258 MRS. SIMPSON: He was--he was sitting at the bar.
# 259 MR. COCHRAN: Did you observe him at the bar?
# 261 MR. COCHRAN: Did you see him drink anything at the bar?
# 262 MRS. SIMPSON: He had a can in his hand.
# 263 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know what kind of can it was?
# 264 MRS. SIMPSON: Appeared to be a beer can.
# 265 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did you have occasion to look at him and look at his face on that date?
# 266 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 267 MR. COCHRAN: Did you notice anything unusual about his face?
# 268 MRS. SIMPSON: He appeared to be spaced.
KEY QUOTE # 269 MR. COCHRAN: What was that word again?
# 270 MRS. SIMPSON: Well, he--
# 271 MR. COCHRAN: "Spaced" did you say?
# 272 MRS. SIMPSON: I would say spaced.
# 273 MR. COCHRAN: What do you mean--
# 274 MRS. SIMPSON: He didn't appear natural.
# 275 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And had you ever had occasion to look in his face before?
# 276 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 277 MR. COCHRAN: And the look that he had in his face on this date, was that what--had you seen that look before ever?
# 278 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 279 MR. COCHRAN: On other times when you had seen him, have you ever seen him on other occasions when he had been drinking?
# 280 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 281 MR. COCHRAN: Did he look--on the other time you saw him drinking, did he look like he looked on this date, June 13th, 1994?
# 282 MRS. SIMPSON: Not quite as bad, but he always appeared to be kind of stary.
# 284 MRS. SIMPSON: He would stare in space.
# 285 MR. COCHRAN: Staring in space. This date on June 13th was worse than the other times. Is that what you're saying?
# 286 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 287 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you observed him and you saw him look like this; is that correct?
# 288 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 289 MR. COCHRAN: Now, ma'am, did there come a time when your son got up to leave the family room where you were seated with him? Do you remember that, that he got up to go someplace?
# 291 MR. COCHRAN: And do you know where he was going at that point?
# 292 MR. DARDEN: Objection. Speculation.
# 293 MR. COCHRAN: I'm asking if she knows.
# 294 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 295 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know where your son was going at that point?
# 296 MRS. SIMPSON: He was going upstairs to go to bed.
# 297 MR. COCHRAN: Is that something that you suggested to him?
# 298 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 299 MR. COCHRAN: And he--when he got up to go upstairs to go to bed, did he say anything to you?
# 300 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes. He says--
# 301 MR. COCHRAN: Not--you can just tell me yes or no on that question.
# 303 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did he do anything, did he touch you or hug you or anything when he left?
# 304 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 305 MR. COCHRAN: What did he do?
# 306 MRS. SIMPSON: He embraced me.
# 307 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And then did he then leave your presence?
# 309 MR. COCHRAN: And did you see him anymore at all that particular night of June 13th after that?
# 311 MR. COCHRAN: Did you see him leave with anyone else when he left at that point, if you know?
# 313 MR. COCHRAN: You just saw him leave your sight; is that correct?
# 314 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 315 MR. COCHRAN: Now, Miss Simpson, I notice that when you were walking up, you were assisted on to the witness stand. Do you have some particular condition that affects your ability to walk?
# 317 MR. COCHRAN: And what is that condition?
# 318 MRS. SIMPSON: Rheumatoid arthritis.
# 319 MR. COCHRAN: And how long have you had that?
# 320 MRS. SIMPSON: I've had it for--since 1974 I was diagnosed.
# 321 MR. COCHRAN: Now, do other members of your family have that condition?
# 322 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, yes.
# 323 MR. DARDEN: Objection. Irrelevant.
# 324 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 325 MR. COCHRAN: Do other members of your family have that condition?
# 327 MR. COCHRAN: What other members have that condition?
# 328 MRS. SIMPSON: My father, my sis--my two sisters and Carmelita.
# 329 MR. COCHRAN: What about O.J. Simpson?
# 330 MRS. SIMPSON: O.J. most of all.
# 331 MR. COCHRAN: How long have you been aware that O.J. had that condition?
# 332 MRS. SIMPSON: Oh, since 1980.
# 333 MR. COCHRAN: And you became aware that he had it also, that he had rheumatoid arthritis?
# 335 MR. COCHRAN: So it's something in your family; is that correct?
# 336 MRS. SIMPSON: It does.
# 337 MR. COCHRAN: Have you seen a doctor for your condition?
# 339 MR. COCHRAN: May I have just a moment, your Honor?
# 340 THE COURT: Certainly.
# 341 MR. COCHRAN: May I have just a second?
# 342 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel and the Defendant.) # 343 MR. COCHRAN: A few more questions, your Honor. Thank you very kindly. I'm sorry.
# 344 MR. COCHRAN: Now, I asked you a question about seeing a doctor for your condition. Have you had something done regarding your knees because of the arthritic condition?
# 346 MR. DARDEN: Objection. Irrelevant, your Honor.
# 347 MR. COCHRAN: I will link it up, your Honor. Will be very brief. I'll link it up.
# 348 MR. DARDEN: Irrelevant.
# 349 THE COURT: Couple more questions. Couple more.
# 350 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you, your Honor.
# 351 MR. COCHRAN: With regard to--
# 352 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.) # 353 MR. COCHRAN: With regard to--what condition--what have you had done to your knees?
# 354 MRS. SIMPSON: Implants.
# 355 MR. COCHRAN: You had your knees replaced?
# 356 MRS. SIMPSON: Right.
# 357 MR. COCHRAN: Is that as a result of this rheumatoid arthritic condition?
# 358 MRS. SIMPSON: I don't understand.
# 359 MR. COCHRAN: Is that as a result of the condition that you have of rheumatoid arthritis?
# 360 MRS. SIMPSON: Yes, it did.
# 361 MR. COCHRAN: And when did you have the surgery to have your knees implanted?
# 362 MRS. SIMPSON: The left one in `83 and the right one in `85.
# 363 MR. COCHRAN: And you saw a doctor in San Francisco, did you?
# 365 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you very much for coming with us today, Miss Simpson.
# 366 THE COURT: Mr. Darden.
# 367 MR. DARDEN: Your Honor, we have no questions for Mrs. Simpson. Thank you, ma'am.
# 368 THE COURT: All right. Thank you very much, Mrs. Simpson.