Your Honor, I'd like to read into the record and move to into evidence, the exhibits I referred to in my examination.
They're all by reference to the joint trial statement.
Exhibits 783, 13, 15, 14, 813, 1161, 735, 811, 17, 812, 2216, 195, 2217, 760, 761, 434, 782, 228, 225, 2218, 2219, 2220, and 2221.
Thank you.
Orenthal James Simpson.
ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, the witness on the stand at the time of the adjournment of Monday, November 25, 1996, having been previously duly sworn, was examined further as follows:
Mr. Simpson, would you draw the microphone a little bit closer to you; you don't have to breathe into it; but just bring it closer to you.
Thank you.
FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BREWER:
(BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, you left Los Angeles and got on a flight headed back to Chicago on the evening of June 12, true?
(BY MR. BREWER) Okay.
And during the course of that flight, Mr. Simpson, once it took off and was in the air, you didn't speak to anyone else on that flight, true?
Yeah. When you took off and you were in the air, you indicated that you spoke with someone. Who did you speak with?
Okay.
Other than personnel that worked on the plane, you didn't speak with anyone else, true?
And during that flight, there was a partner of a good friend of yours that was seated in first class with you, true?
They were dark during the entire flight until you came close to landing, beginning your descent; is that also true, sir?
And just before leaving, you were laying on your bed, fighting the urge to go to sleep, because you wanted to, obviously, sleep on the plane, right?
And while you were on this plane, headed back to Chicago at night, you didn't sleep at all, did you?
I think I dozed a little bit from time to time, 'cause I was reading, and I put the book down and dozed. I'd read, put the book down, and dozed or gone to the restroom or something.
You don't recall sleeping for an extended period of time, an hour, two, three hours on this flight, true?
Certainly not three hours.
You know, it's hard to tell -- when you're flying, it's hard to tell. I may have dozed off for an hour at one point. It's just hard to tell.
At no time during this flight did you ever contact Kato Kaelin to find out whether he had found out any further information concerning the noises he heard that evening, true?
And at no time during that flight did you ever contact your daughter, Arnelle, who lived with you, to find out whether she knew anything about the noises, true?
And the answer to my question is, you did not contact Arnelle at any time during that flight, true?
You didn't contact Westec during that flight to have them come over and investigate any of those noises, true?
And during the course of that flight, Mr. Simpson, you used the restroom on at least five occasions, true?
I would say three or four times.
I tend to, you know, I tend to drink a lot of water on flights -- it's something that I state in my video -- and consequently, go to the bathroom.
I'm sure you interviewed -- I mean, I'm sure you looked at the testimony of other -- of the video that I did for Playboy, where I state that in the video.
(BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, when you went into the restroom during the flight back to Chicago, when you closed the door, lights go on; is that correct?
Okay.
And you would have had at least four occasions in that restroom to make observations relative to any cuts on your hand, wouldn't you?
Yeah.
When I said possibly, still, it's -- possibly it was four times. But I would have assumed if I saw any cuts or anything, I would have -- may have noticed it.
Okay.
And on any of those occasions, you never observed any cuts on any portion of your hand, true?
So there was absolutely no question in your mind when you got to Chicago that you didn't have any cuts on your left middle finger; is that true?
You didn't see anything on the plane that led you to believe that you had a cut on your left middle finger; is that what you're saying?
Okay.
So you were absolutely certain when you were in Chicago, that the cut that you received in connection with that glass was the first cut to that left middle finger; that true?
That was the information you had on June 13, when you spoke with Detectives Lange and Vannatter true?
(BY MR. BREWER) Now, Mr. Simpson, in connection with Paula Barbieri, you had mentioned on Friday and on Monday, that there were messages that she left you that you never received, but messages that you left her, true?
And after you returned on the 13th, the last time that you saw Ms. Barbieri was the morning of the 17th, when she left and went back to Florida; is that correct?
Okay.
And then the next time that you saw her after that, you would have been in jail or incarcerated?
And during that conversation, you asked her whether she had a message that she had left -- You had left her, true?
I don't know if I asked her or if it was a subject that the lawyers or someone was asking, but somehow it came up, yes.
And you asked her to check to see whether those messages were still on her tape machine, didn't you?
And you asked her to see if she could retrieve the tape and bring it to you or to your lawyer, didn't you?
I would have, at that point in time -- I don't know at what point in time this came up. It would could have been a month or two after. I would have tried -- if it was a subject that was being discussed, I would have tried to get as much information as I can get from anybody and tell them to bring it to the lawyers.
And the reason why you were asking questions about messages you left on her machine is, you knew that was important to retrieve that message, right?
No, sir, not necessarily.
I don't know if I asked her to get a message from her machine. I think the subject matter her and I had was that she was upset with me.
How many times during the course of your incarceration did the subject matter of messages come up between you and Ms. Barbieri?
-- I believe it was. I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure it was at one of her visits, and we were just talking about general stuff.
You see on the monitor what's been marked and actually admitted into evidence as Exhibit 761, and it's entitled, To Whom it May Concern.
And, in fact, the first time that you ever put pen to paper in connection with this note was on the morning of June 17, 1994, true?
And it was only after you were told that you were going to be arrested that you first put pen to paper to write this note, true?
And it was only after that you had learned evidence that linked you to these murders, that you put pen to paper on June 17 and wrote this note, true, sir?
Well, Mr. Simpson, you knew by June 17 that your blood was found at Rockingham and Bundy, didn't you, sir.
I don't think there was that much talk about that. All I know is that they were going to arrest me.
And after it was completed, you gave it to Robert Kardashian to read, telling him that he would know when to read it, right?
Well, you knew, sir, that this letter was going to be read in the event of your death, didn't you?
That's why you made references, asking the press to leave you alone, leave your family alone, right?
Steve, if you could scroll down to the bottom -- see about where it says "unlike" -- what's been unlike -- what's been in the press --
"Nicole and I had a great relationship for most of our lives together."
All long-term relationships, we had a --
Like all long-term relationships, we had a few downs and ups. I took the heat for New Years 1989 because that was what I was supposed to do. I did not plea nolo for any other reason but to protect our privacy, and was advised that it would end the press hype.
Did I read that correctly, sir?
You told this jury, Mr. Simpson, on at least 15 occasions, that you take full responsibility for the injuries that you caused to Nicole Brown Simpson in connection with the New Year's Day incident in 1989, haven't you?
And you also took full responsibility for your actions and the consequences of your actions at the time that you drafted this note, didn't you?
And when you say in this note that you "took the heat because it was what I was supposed to do," you're intending to imply to the public, to your supporters, that you are taking full responsibility for the injuries that you caused in 1989; is that what you're saying?
I think that's in part.
I think the total intent was, Nicole was not going to testify.
Nicole, as you may have seen on national TV from her mother, stated she was just as much at fault and she started the fight.
I didn't think that Nicole and I should be in a courtroom trying to explain to the public, in essence, what took place that night. So I took full responsibility and pleaded no contest.
Um-hum.
These are your very last thoughts and impressions before you anticipated taking your life, right, Mr. Simpson?
And one of the last things that you wanted people to know was that you were a battered husband and boyfriend, right?
I think whatever I was feeling at the time had a lot to do with what was happening that week, and I -- I was obviously pretty distraught, and when I was writing the letter, that's how I was feeling.
You referred to yourself in this letter as a battered husband and battered boyfriend; is that true?
(BY MR. BREWER) Well, sir, when you said that you were a battered husband, you intended to imply that somebody battered you, true?
I felt -- I meant to convey that at times I felt battered.
And from what Nicole and I went through in therapy, I think we both came to the conclusion that we were abusive to one another at times in our relationship. Sometimes it was probably more verbal than physical.
KEY QUOTEWas it your belief, Mr. Simpson, that in 1994, when you smashed the windshield of her vehicle, that you were a battered boyfriend at that time?
Sir, can you identify any specific incidents that you believe resulted in your being battered by Nicole?
I felt -- I think Nicole admitted -- her mother said on national TV -- she admitted to her and Cora Fischman, that the physical side of it was initiated by Nicole.
I felt that I should have still reacted differently than I reacted. I think my reactions were inappropriate. I think I should have just left, but I didn't, and I was wrong for the way I reacted, yes.
And one of the incidents that you're referring to in this note where you talk about yourself being a battered husband, is the 1989 incident, right?
You're not referring to the 1989 incident when you talk about yourself, in this note, as being a battered husband; is that what you're now saying?
In general, that may have been also there, but I don't think I specifically tried to break it down to any specific incident.
The way I was feeling at the time was, I think, a little put upon by what was happening that week, and I think in general, that's how I was feeling. And that's what I --
Well, sir, how about right now?
Tell this jury in 1989, as a result of that incident, were you battered?
(BY MR. BREWER) Okay.
Mr. Simpson, in connection with the 1993 incident where Nicole contacted 911 to have you removed from Gretna Green, did you consider yourself -- were you battered in that incident?
(BY MR. BREWER) You state, Mr. Simpson, about midway down through the first paragraph,
"All of her friends will confirm that I've been totally loving and understanding of what she's been going through."
You see that reference?
Mr. Simpson, in June of 1994, you believe Nicole Brown Simpson was afraid of you, afraid for her own physical safety?
(BY MR. BREWER) If Cora Fischman testified at her deposition that Nicole Brown Simpson had told her --
(BY MR. BREWER) Mr. Simpson, you also refer to yourself in this note as "a lost person." And in connection with that statement, you say,
"Ask people to remember the real O.J. not this lost person."
Do you recall writing that, sir?
I like to think I was a guy that everyone who had a problem, my friends, including Nicole, when we were together and when we were divorced, when she had real serious issues and problems, that I was the person that they could come to.
I like to think I treated everybody the way I -- my basic philosophy in life was to do unto others. I think in just about every case, I treated everybody the way I wanted to be treated.
The general public, I always had time for people. I was involved in charities. Nicole's family and friends, when they had problems, they came to me. And I'd like to think I was a good friend to all of them.
And, Mr. Simpson, this lost person that you referred to, that's a double murderer, isn't it?
Mr. Simpson, this letter makes no mention of outrage or spite about the person that you believe was responsible for the death of Nicole, does it?
And knowing that it's not you, as you've testified yesterday, you have no explanation for any of the evidence, is that true?
I wasn't concerned about it; that's true.
I felt -- I meant to convey that at times I felt battered. And from what Nicole and I went through in therapy, I think we both came to the conclusion that we were abusive to one another at times in our relationship. Sometimes it was probably more verbal than physical.
And this lost person that you referred to, that's a double murderer, isn't it?
I knew it wasn't me.
It was not anything I had on my mind when I got to Chicago.