Back to the Belushi case for a moment. In that case was there a problem with the Los Angeles Police Department notifying Mr. Belushi's next of kin?
Well, you used that as an example, or Miss Clark did, as something that the family found out through the media before they were notified? Is that what happened?
That is--the time frame to the time that Mr. Belushi was discovered until the media had ahold of it was so short that it would have been virtually impossible for his extended family to become aware of it.
All right. And in this case you are aware that there was at least two and a half or more hours before Mr. Simpson was even contacted. You know that, right?
Now, in that connection you described for this jury that it is not unusual for all four detectives who are investigating a murder scene where the bodies are still there to get in cars and leave and go to give a notification? Is that what you said this to jury?
And in that connection what do four detectives do to go notify one person? I mean, does it take four people to notify one person?
Well, I think I have answered that question, but I will answer it one more time.
First of all, we've got a very high-profile case, we've got a couple victims involved, we've got somebody that needs to be notified. We don't know how many other people may be there. There may be a need for somebody to stay with the victim until the clergy gets there. We may have additional witness statements. We have a couple children that need to be attended to. And those four had been at that scene conducting quite a comprehensive examination for a couple of hours before having made that notification, so--
Sir, when you say the scene was taken care of, are you aware the Coroner's office hadn't even been called?
If I were to tell you the Coroner's office hadn't been called until ten hours later, where you--
You have had an experience coming up the ranks of the Los Angeles Police Department and you aware the first couple hours after a homicide are the most important hours in an investigation; is that correct?
You have four detectives leaving the scene and going over to give this notification; is that right?
So that we are clear, all of these conversations that we are talking about took place from the confines of your own house?
So all of your awareness is from having returned from New Orleans and having these phone conversations with various officers; is that right?
No, but some of my awareness comes from my knowledge of the practices and the personnel involved.
I'm talking about your awareness of what was going on at the scene came from phone conversation; is that right?
All right. Now, the order that you gave, was your order to Phillips to personally go and make the notification himself?
I believe it probably was. I don't recall the exact wording. It was probably, "I want to ensure that Mr. Simpson is notified as soon as possible."
Well now, as an experienced officer and no. 2 in command in the entire division, what you would want--the important thing was the notification; isn't that correct, so there wouldn't be this problem that you felt in the Belushi case; isn't that correct?
And so it didn't matter whether it was Phillips or someone that--he could have designated someone; isn't that correct, sir?
I'm asking you specifically with regard to your order in this case, could it have been someone else, any other officers?
It would have been out of character for our policies, but it could have been someone else, yes.
You didn't make the order specific to Phillips then so he could have designated another officer?
All right. You are disappointed he didn't do it right away; isn't that correct, also?
Well, the--there is a lot of other things that needed to be done. That was not the only thing that needed to be done. And remember, I said as soon as possible and "Possible" means when it is practicable within the scope of the investigation.
Since you weren't there, do you think that two and a half hours was as soon as possible?
Well, given the magnitude of that crime scene, it is not surprising that they had to spend some time there.
Given the magnitude of the crime scene, do you think they should have called the Coroner's office right away?
I want you to name for this jury one other case where four lead detectives at a crime scene left to go give notification to the person who was not the next of kin?
KEY QUOTEI just asked you to give me an example. And your answer is you can't, right? Is that what you are saying?
Now, with regard to the sequence of events, and you have shared with us that at 2:30 or thereabouts you had this conversation with Phillips and it was your belief that--it was your belief that Fuhrman and Phillips were still on the case at that point?
Are you aware that Detectives Lange and Vannatter did not arrive at the scene until perhaps 4:00, 4:30 in the morning? Are you aware of that?
All right. Now, are you aware that during the time after your direct order to Phillips or his designee from 2:30--that no one went over to notify Mr. Simpson or anyone else between 2:30 and the arrival of Lange and Vannatter, let's say, between 4:00 and 4:30? Are you aware of that?
And are you aware of what time officially the LAPD logs reflect that robbery/homicide took over this case? Do you recall that?
Were you aware of whether or not he had any prior knowledge of the Simpson location?
When you had this conversation with Captain Connie Dial, who was the captain in patrol that particular night, about what time was that?
To the best of my recollection it was probably an hour and a half or so after my conversation with Detective Phillips.
That would have put it between 4:00, 4:30, probably somewhere in that vicinity.
Isn't it true, according to your report, that you talked to Captain Connie Dial about one hour later?
Hour, hour and a half, hour and 45 minutes, somewhere. I couldn't be specific.
Placing before you, sir, an investigator's report, and I will ask you to--I will direct your attention to a time frame as to when you talked to Commander Connie Dial. Read that sentence there and see whether or not that refreshes your recollection, sir.
And this is--purports to be a statement taken from you I guess on September 11, 1994, by Dana Thompson, senior investigator in the District Attorney's office?
Last week and at that time you told him, did you not, that approximately one hour later after your conversation with Phillips that you spoke with Captain Connie Dial?
Right. So if you talked to Phillips at 2:30, you talked to Connie Dial at 3:30, right?
No, because I am aware that at the time I spoke to Captain Dial Vannatter and Lange were at the scene, so it would have to have been a little bit more than an hour.
And when you talked to Dana Thompson just last week, September 11th, you tried to be as accurate as could you; is that correct?
You told him at approximately one hour after talking to Phillips that you talked with Connie Dial; isn't that right?
Now you recall that it was later and that robbery/homicide and these detectives were already there?
Well, in preparation for this testimony I have organized my thoughts and tried to reconcile some of the different time sequences, so I think an hour was probably on the lean side. Probably more like and an hour and a half, maybe a little bit longer now.
Well, I have become aware that at the time I spoke to Captain Dial, Vannatter and Lange were at the scene, and I think I've learned from you just now that at the time their logs reflected they arrived at the scene, so if you were accurate, that means that I was probably inaccurate with an hour, probably a little bit longer than.
Whatever time I talked to Captain Dial, Vannatter and Lange were at the scene, so it would have been more than a hour after my conversation with Detective Phillips.
So you knew then two hours after you gave a direct order to Phillips that he had not complied with your order or sent anyone else over there; isn't that correct?
Okay. Now, you described for us something about preferential treatment. Are you saying that the LAPD department in this case gave preferential treatment by sending four detectives to O.J. Simpson's house on the early morning hours? Is that what you are saying?
Anyway, I don't particularly care for it, but that had nothing to do with the number of detectives. The number of detectives were driven by the circumstances of that case.
All right. And you don't like that word because on the side of the police cars it says "Protect and serve" all citizens, not just one or people who have a lot of money or people of any standing; isn't that correct?
Are you aware of that Phillips and Fuhrman were doing at that scene between 2:30 and 4:30, the arrival of the robbery/homicide detectives?
Per your order, even if they were off the case, per your order, you told them to go over and make that notification, didn't you?
I believe the decision was made by Captain Gartland, the commanding officer of robbery/homicide. It is my belief that he agreed to take the case, although it could have had the concurrence of someone higher in his chain of command.
In the course of your responsibilities that morning were you more concerned about the department's image than you were about investigating these very brutal murders?
You would agree with me that the most important thing was investigating these killings at that scene as soon as possible because of the importance of that; isn't that correct?
One is not to the exclusion of the other but what you just described was certainly a top priority.
Yes. Along with that would be complying with the state law in notifying the Coroner?
Commander Bushey, from the time that you notified or told Detective Phillips to make this notification at about 2:30 in the morning--and we've already covered the fact of the time the notification wasn't made, would it be in direct contravention to your order to Phillips if Phillips and Fuhrman were standing in the street at Bundy and Dorothy waiting for the robbery/homicide detectives to come until 4:30 instead of complying with your order? Wouldn't that be in direct contravention of your order?
You have already said that would be disappointing to you, the fact that they didn't do it on an immediate basis; is that correct?
I think the disappointment was that it did not occur sooner. There is tremendous competing interests at a scene of that magnitude.
You keep talking about the competing priorities. Competing priorities are to investigate this homicide scene thoroughly and in accordance with state law; isn't that correct, sir?
You may not be aware of that, but are you aware that the important--the most important priority is investigating these murders? Isn't that correct?
All right. That is more important than notifying somebody who is not the next of kin; isn't that correct.
Are you aware of how many police officers came to that scene and how many from your division, West Los Angeles, that night?
If there were more than thirty officers, would that surprise you at all, that came to that scene?
Of those thirty, don't you think that one or two of those thirty, other than the lead detectives, could have gone over and made this notification--
But you have already told us it wasn't specific that Phillips had to do it; isn't that correct?
And Phillips could have done it rather than standing around in the street for two hours waiting?
I want you to name for this jury one other case where four lead detectives at a crime scene left to go give notification to the person who was not the next of kin?
Well, I can't. However, there has not been another case like this one either.
No. That wasn't a disciplinary issue.
I have read nothing.
Were you more concerned about the department's image than you were about investigating these very brutal murders?