All right. Thank you, counsel. Proceed.

Mr. Goldberg.

Yes.

Proceed.

Thank you.

Now, Mr. Matheson, directing your attention to the exhibit that we just put up, the nail clippings, scrapings of Nicole Brown--

Your Honor, may I put these photographs on the elmo, on the overhead?

Yes.

All right. Because I want to put the middle photograph on first and then the two side photographs.

Mr. Goldberg, why don't you go ahead and work with the exhibit that you have.

Thank you.

Mr. Matheson, directing your attention to the middle photograph on this board on the bottom, have you looked at that crime scene photograph before?

Yes, I have.

And assuming that this is an accurate representation of the location of the body when the police arrived and photographed it and the blood area underneath the body, can you tell us why it would be proper to take a look at your results on item 42 in providing more information about the fingernail scrapings?

There is obviously a large quantity of blood present from the victim both in the immediate area and in and around her hands.

And does it appear from this photograph that her hands are in contact with the--or at least her right hand is in contact with the pool of blood?

Part of it is, yes, appears in the back.

Now, looking at the photograph on the left--right of this board of the left hand--excuse me--right hand--no. That's the--okay. We'll look at the left hand. Okay. Right hand. Have you looked at this photograph?

Yes, I have.

And does this photograph help to explain why you feel it would be proper to look at what was happening with your testing on 42?

Well, it helps point out that there is a large quantity of victim's blood present in and around the hand.

And next looking at the left hand photograph, have you looked at that?

Yes.

And again, does that help to describe why you feel it would be proper to look at what was happening on stain 42?

Yes.

Why is that?

The same reason. There's a large amount of blood present on the victim's hands presumably from the victim.

Now, next I would like to look at the photograph that says, "Right hand fingernail scrapings." I think we're going to have to use the elmo for that. Now, Mr. Matheson, is this the Coroner's packet from which you took the items that you tested as 84-A--excuse me--as 84?

Yes, it is.

And can you tell us what portion of that you used?

Well, on opening up the package, there would be a small amount of debris that would be located in the package from the scrapings. That's what they are. They take the stick and they scrape under the nails and scrap into a bindle. So you would have a little bit of debris down inside of it.

What did this look like?

Like small chunks of blood.

It's difficult to see them in this. Can you see any of those chunks left in this photograph?

Well, it's hard to say. There are some specks. Mainly, there's some scrapings where the wet blood had been scraped off of the stick onto the paper.

Now, did you notice when you saw the bindle the what appears to be red or brown stains on the bindle?

On the inside of it, yes.

What significance if any does that have?

Well, it suggests that the blood was probably damp at the time the scrapings were made and wiped off in the inside there.

And is that significant from a standpoint of trying to learn more about what happened to the blood under the fingernails?

Well, as I previously mentioned, it's a damp condition that most hastens degradation. And if it was still damp when these were taken, it means that it had been damp for quite a while.

Now, let's take a look at the left hand fingernail scrapings photograph. Now, on this particular photograph, can you see some of the specks or any specks that are consistent with what you tested?

Yes.

Can you point them out for us?

There appears to be captured in the little fold here of the bindle little black specks that would be dry specks of blood.

Is that what you saw at the time that you opened up the bindle and tested a portion of the specks in that bindle?

Yes.

Now, did you ever see in either of the bindles anything that looked like tissue or skin?

Thank you.

Now, with respect to the other photographs that are of the fingernails, that appear to be of the fingernails themselves, does it appear that there is staining of blood on the underside of the fingernails?

The very heavy staining on the right hand, nail clippings, and there is some lighter but definite staining on what appears to be three of the nails marked as left hand fingernail clippings.

And the right hand was the hand in the photograph that is in closest contact with the pool of blood?

Yes.

Let's just take a quick look at the left hand fingernail clippings if we can. And there's also some staining on what appears to be the left hand fingernail clippings?

That's correct, on at least three of them.

All right. Thank you.

Your Honor, is it possible to use the serology results chart simultaneously to the Bundy board or does the Court want us to--

Well, I want counsel for both sides to be able to see the object that we're working with is the problem. Can we set up the easel in here, for example, so that counsel can see it at the same time? The problem is, then we get away from the jury. So given the size of these monsters, I think you're sort of stuck with one or the other.

Well, let's just try putting--why don't we try putting the Bundy--the serology results board over the biological evidence board to make it easier to shift back and forth.

Now, Mr. Matheson, taking a look now at item 42--

Mr. Fairtlough, can we get that up just a tad? Great. Thank you.

On item 42 in your analyzed evidence report, how was that called?

Referring to my report, under the EAP, item no. 42 was called inconclusive.

And this report is dated when?

The completion date of October 18th, 1994.

That's the same report that we previously discussed when we were discussing 84-A and 84-B?

Yes.

Now, on the serology electrophoresis work sheet, what did you put on that work sheet when you were discussing the EAP results on 42?

I would like to refer to that sheet.

Sure. Maybe you can also look at the item description, the serology description note too.