📄 Sidebar: likelihood ratios — Tuesday, June 13, 1995
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Sidebar: likelihood ratios

Date: Tuesday, June 13, 1995 • Utterances: 26
Defense attorney Peter Neufeld raised a scheduling complaint about the prosecution's delay in disclosing whether DNA expert Dr. Weir would testify using likelihood ratios — a methodologically contested approach that would trigger a 402 admissibility hearing. The prosecution, represented by George Clarke, explained that Dr. Weir was on vacation and they couldn't finalize their approach until speaking with him. Judge Ito resolved the dispute by setting a Friday close-of-business deadline for the prosecution to declare their position.
1 (Appearances as heretofore noted.)
2 (Janet M. Moxham, CSR no. 4855, official reporter.)
3 (Christine M. Olson, CSR no. 2378, official reporter.)
4 (The following proceedings were held in open court, out of the presence of the jury:)
5 THE COURT:

Back on the record in the Simpson matter. All parties are again present. All right. Deputy Magnera, let's have the jurors, please.

6 MR. NEUFELD:

Your Honor, you were going to--

7 THE COURT:

I thought you were going to take that up informally with Mr. Clarke.

8 MR. NEUFELD:

The way it was left I wanted to report back to the Court because there were some concerns about it, if I may.

9 THE COURT:

Certainly. Mr. Neufeld.

10 MR. NEUFELD:

Thank you. Your Honor, it has been about four weeks since we made it very clear to the Prosecution in this case that we objected to Dr. Weir using any likelihood ratios, if and when he was called as a witness. At that time four weeks ago, on May 15, and on May 16, umm, Mr. Clarke indicated to the Court that it wasn't his intention to use Dr. Weir for likelihood ratios but rather for the underlying frequency data contained in that report. We needed to know which tact they were going to take, because as we made it clear to the Court at that time, if they took the tact of pursuing likelihood ratios, then we would he have a 402 hearing, we would need to contact witness. We had never heard anything more in the intervening four weeks as to which way they were going to go until we got that report last week which seemed to still indicate their pursuit of likelihood ratios. I spoke to Mr. Clarke this morning at the suggestion of the Court and apparently, as he can report to your Honor, they don't know yet and they haven't been able to speak to Dr. Weir in the last few days or whatever because he has been on vacation. Our concern is, and I think there is some fundamental unfairness here and that the Defendant is certainly prejudiced by this situation in that they've had more than enough time to find out which way they are going to move on this, so we can go out, and if need be, secure witnesses for such a hearing. All I'm asking is that at this point in time, since they have now indicated that they intend call Dr. Weir as early as next week, which doesn't give us a lot of time, that they inform the Court on the record and inform counsel, certainly no later than--tomorrow is Wednesday--certainly no later than Thursday, as to whether or not they intend to pursue the route of likelihood ratios so we can get ready in time for a hearing for next week, otherwise we won't be able to do it with enough time.

11 THE COURT:

Mr. Clarke.

12 MR. CLARKE:

Yes, your Honor. With regard to Dr. Weir, he is on vacation and will be driving home arriving home tomorrow. He is to contact us as soon as he is able to. So it is our intent to speak with him tomorrow, maybe in the evening, and I indicated to Mr. Neufeld earlier today that once we've had that discussion with him I think we will be in a much better position to declare to him what types of evidence we may wish to offer in front of the jury. So I think at this point it is premature, but we are going to operate with all deliberate speed.

13 THE COURT:

All right. Then may I trust that this issue will be laid to rest at the latest by the close of business Friday?

14 MR. CLARKE:

I would hope so, yes. I might indicate to the Court, Dr. Weir in fairly quick fashion produced a report, a preliminarily report, as Mr. Neufeld indicated, fairly quickly. It is not totally complete but he felt it important that both we and the Defense have something to work from in this area. It is our intention to present in terms of population frequencies what the scientific community feels is appropriate and we will convey that direction that the community is telling us as soon as we are able to after we speak with Dr. Weir.

15 THE COURT:

All right.

16 MR. NEUFELD:

Thank you.

17 THE COURT:

All right. Thank you, counsel.

18 MR. CLARKE:

Thank you.

19 THE COURT:

I look forward to hearing more DNA. All right. Let's have the jury, please.

KEY QUOTE
20 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, could I have about thirty seconds with Mr. Shapiro?

21 THE COURT:

Sure.

22 (Discussion held off the record between Deputy District Attorney and Defense counsel.)
23 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor.

24 THE COURT:

Deputy Magnera.

25 (Brief pause.)
26 (The following proceedings were held in open court, in the presence of the jury:)

Temperature

tense

Key Quotes (4)

Peter Neufeld
it has been about four weeks since we made it very clear to the Prosecution in this case that we objected to Dr. Weir using any likelihood ratios, if and when he was called as a witness.
Establishes that the defense had been pressing this issue for a month with no resolution, framing the prosecution's delay as prejudicial.
Peter Neufeld
I think there is some fundamental unfairness here and that the Defendant is certainly prejudiced by this situation in that they've had more than enough time to find out which way they are going to move on this
Defense argues prejudice from prosecution's delay in a key DNA methodology decision.
George Clarke
he is on vacation and will be driving home arriving home tomorrow. He is to contact us as soon as he is able to.
Prosecution's explanation for the delay — Dr. Weir was unreachable on vacation, explaining why no position had been declared.
Lance A. Ito
I look forward to hearing more DNA.
Mild judicial sarcasm — a rare light moment from Ito — after resolving a contentious scheduling dispute.

Evidence (1)

Informal
Dr. Weir's preliminary DNA report containing population frequency data and potentially likelihood ratio methodology
discussed — defense flagged its ambiguity as to whether likelihood ratios would be presented to the jury

Notable Exchanges (1)

Peter NeufeldGeorge ClarkeLance A. Ito
Neufeld pressed for a Thursday deadline for the prosecution to declare its approach on likelihood ratios; Clarke cited Dr. Weir's vacation as the obstacle; Ito split the difference and set a Friday close-of-business deadline.
strategic

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
After resolving the dispute, Ito deadpanned 'I look forward to hearing more DNA' before calling the jury.

Objections

None recorded
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