📄 Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 3) — Tuesday, June 13, 1995
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Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 3)

Witness: Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Examiner: Brian Kelberg
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Tuesday, June 13, 1995 • Utterances: 176
Dr. Lakshmanan continues his methodical walkthrough of injuries to Ron Goldman's face as documented in autopsy photograph G-55, identifying and cross-referencing injuries numbered 3 through 5 against Dr. Golden's original diagrams and protocol. The session concludes with Kelberg reading excerpts from Dr. Golden's preliminary hearing testimony concerning the five superficial cuts to Goldman's right cheek, setting up a comparison between Golden's prior descriptions and Lakshmanan's current interpretations.
1 THE COURT:

All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated.

Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran, the witness on the stand at the time of the noon recess, resumed the stand and testified further as follows:

2 THE COURT:

All right. Let the record reflect we have been rejoined by all the members of our jury panel. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

THE JURY: Good afternoon.

3 THE COURT:

Dr. Lakshmanan is again on the witness stand undergoing direct examination by Mr. Kelberg. And Mr. Kelberg, you may conclude your direct examination.

4 MR. KELBERG:

I am going as quickly as I can, your Honor.

5 THE COURT:

All right.

DIRECT EXAMINATION (RESUMED) BY MR. KELBERG

6 MR. KELBERG:

Dr. Lakshmanan, again with the Court's permission could you step down, and let's finish, if we can, please, going through the injuries that are in the photograph G-55. I believe we stopped, if I'm not mistaken, with the protocol and diagrams through injury no. 2; is that correct, the curva linear?

7 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

8 MR. KELBERG:

Let's pick up, if we could, doctor, would you identify what is injury no. 3?

9 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The injury no. 3 is this confluent area of abrasions in the right cheek area which I have described in the morning right here, (indicating).

10 MR. KELBERG:

Has Dr. Golden diagrammed that confluent area?

11 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he has.

12 MR. KELBERG:

Where?

13 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

In diagram 22-III.

14 MR. KELBERG:

Would you indicate, please, doctor, where it had been diagrammed, and what, if any, description has been provided? Mr. Lynch could perhaps move back this way?

15 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is the area of abrasion injury which he has diagrammed here on the left lower quadrant of 22-III and he has described the description here "One and a half by 3/4 inch abrasion reddish brown" belongs to this area here and also this description here applies to this area of injury.

16 MR. KELBERG:

What is that description that you were just pointing to, doctor?

17 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Circumscribed area of abrasions. Actually is not patches. Poorly defined.

18 THE COURT:

Mr. Kelberg, I wonder if you and Dr. Lakshmanan could stop talking over each other.

19 MR. KELBERG:

I will try to do better.

20 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It says "Poorly described circumscribed abrasions."

21 THE COURT:

Mr. Kelberg, would it be better to move the microphone in the doctor's tie? Would that be a better location for it?

22 MR. KELBERG:

I'm getting a shake of the head from side to side from the sound person.

23 THE COURT:

He has been talking a long time.

24 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The right cheek area. This says, "Poorly circumscribed area of abrasions one and a half inch by 3/4 inch." "Poorly defined," rather.

25 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, does is writing in any way at all to correspond at all to what you have described as jury no. 3?

26 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This would be injury no. 4 next to the eye.

27 MR. KELBERG:

So before I start marking with a permanent marker, would it be accurate to include this area?

28 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Not that area.

29 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry, not that area?

30 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Just this area.

31 MR. KELBERG:

Would that otherwise be accurate?

32 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

33 MR. KELBERG:

I have circled that area in the lower left quadrant and I will write "G-55 inj. no. 3."

34 MR. KELBERG:

Does Dr. Golden then describe that confluent area of abrasions, doctor, in his protocol?

35 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right here page 6, item 5, the first five lines.

36 MR. KELBERG:

Would you point to where that ends, for that description.

37 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right here, (indicating), about.

38 MR. KELBERG:

I will outline that on the protocol in red and to the left I will write "G-55"?

39 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

40 MR. KELBERG:

"inj. no. 3"?

41 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

42 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, is that an accurate description, in your opinion, of this confluent area?

43 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

44 MR. KELBERG:

Is this injury no. 3 addressed at all in the addendum?

45 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

46 MR. KELBERG:

In your judgment was there any reason to do so?

47 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

48 MR. KELBERG:

Is there anything further about injury no. 3 which we have not discussed?

49 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

50 MR. KELBERG:

Let's look at injury no. 4 then if you would identify it first from the photograph?

51 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Injury no. 4 includes these abrasions around the right eye, including a triangular area of abrasion.

52 MR. KELBERG:

From what you just told us a few moments ago, I gather there was some indication in 22 roman numeral III?

53 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. You can see some of the abrasions diagrammed there, but also--that is only--that is only diagrammed where you see it, 22-III, right there, (indicating).

54 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, is there more than one line on the schematic to represent injury no. 4?

55 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

There is one or two lines here.

56 MR. KELBERG:

How many individual abrasions do you include in your description of injury no. 4?

57 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I just described them as linear and irregular abrasions around the eye.

58 MR. KELBERG:

From looking at the photograph or any other photograph can you approximate the total number of such abrasions around the eye?

59 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

About three of them there. Three of them there, in all the photographs I have seen.

60 MR. KELBERG:

Let me outline this area again in red.

61 MR. KELBERG:

Is that the accurate area, doctor, that I just outlined?

62 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

63 MR. KELBERG:

And I will draw a line out to the right side and write "G-55 inj. no. 4."

64 MR. KELBERG:

Anything further about this?

65 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

He correctly labels them as abrasions here, (indicating), abrasions, abr. In the description they were included under the--he just called them areas of the superficial wounds in the description of an item 4 of page 6, so it is not a--it reflects what he has diagrammed there.

66 MR. KELBERG:

So what you were just pointing to, doctor, under item 4, page 6 of the autopsy protocol where we have already written in "G-55 injuries 1 and 2 but per Dr. L abrasions not cuts," that description includes, in your opinion, the description of injury no. 4?

67 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

68 MR. KELBERG:

And although Dr. Golden has annotated the diagram to reflect multiple abrasions, he has in fact written a description that describes them as a superficial wound varying from one-half to one inch?

69 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

70 MR. KELBERG:

Let me circle that area in blue just to set it off from what we've already outlined in red. Circle that on the protocol. I will write out at the side "G-55 inj. no. 4, but see diagram"--

71 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Okay.

72 MR. KELBERG:

--"22 roman numeral III and I will write "Abrasions" in quotation marks?

73 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

He has addressed it in the addendum also.

74 MR. KELBERG:

You said there is something addressed in the addendum, doctor?

75 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

76 MR. KELBERG:

We have that here. Tell us where.

77 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Page 2, no. 3.

78 MR. KELBERG:

No. 3 of page 2, doctor?

79 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

80 MR. KELBERG:

Where?

81 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The last line here, (indicating), he has described the triangular abrasion which you see in the photograph as triangular. "Right lower eyelid as triangular in appearance," page 2 no. 3 last line.

82 MR. KELBERG:

Would you point again on the photograph where that particular abrasion is there.

83 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It is right there. There are other photographs which show it well, but in that photograph that is in evidence it shows it right here where I'm pointing and below the right eye, (indicating).

84 MR. KELBERG:

That is on G-55, your Honor, and appears to be the injury which is closest to the lower part of the right eye.

85 THE COURT:

Yes.

86 MR. KELBERG:

I will outline this area also on the addendum in blue and circle it and out at the side write "G-55 inj. no. 4."

87 MR. KELBERG:

Anything further in the addendum regarding that injury, doctor?

88 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

89 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let's take the addendum down and ask you, if you would, please, to move to injury no. 5.

90 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Injury no. 5 I have collectively labeled as injury no. 5 all the five sharp force injuries to the right cheek and area, and I measured them rating from 5/8 inch, 3/8, quarter inch, 5/8 inch and quarter inch respectively when measured in a counterclockwise direction; one, two, three, four, five.

91 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, this is the series four of which, in your opinion, overlay the confluent abrasions shown as injury no. 3?

92 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

93 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden diagram any of those five superficial cuts?

94 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, in 22-I, right here in the left lower quadrant, and he has labeled it, all five, "Superficial incise wounds of skin of right cheek," one, two, three, four, five.

95 MR. KELBERG:

Is that an accurate, first, diagrammatic representation of their location?

96 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

97 MR. KELBERG:

Is it an accurate description of what you see in the photograph?

98 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, and it is also described in the report here, (indicating).

99 MR. KELBERG:

Before we get to the report, there appears to be some writing to the right of the schematic. Is that--does that associate itself with these five superficial cuts?

100 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. It says "Very superficial cuts" here.

101 MR. KELBERG:

What does it say?

102 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

"Superficial cuts." "Superficial IW" is incise wounds.

103 MR. KELBERG:

And that is a more formal way of referring to a cut?

104 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

105 MR. KELBERG:

Let me circle this entire area then and I'm going to ask you, doctor, when I'm done doing that, if you could, after I--to the side I'm going to write "G-55 inj. no. 5."

106 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

107 MR. KELBERG:

Would you point out very slowly, and I will circle in red, the five cuts as diagrammed by Dr. Golden.

108 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

One, two--

109 MR. KELBERG:

Let's stop at one. And is there an entry for the size of that adjacent to it?

110 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It says half an inch there.

111 MR. KELBERG:

So this is no. 1?

112 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

113 MR. KELBERG:

I will circle it and I will write number "No. 1 of 5."

114 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is 2 here.

115 MR. KELBERG:

I will circle that.

116 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No, there is only one there. This is 2, 3 and 4.

117 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry which is--

118 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is no. 2.

119 MR. KELBERG:

Which, doctor?

120 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This one, the one I'm pointing out right there.

121 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let me shorten that circle and I will cover what I should have in a second and out at the side I will write "No. 2 of 5."

122 MR. KELBERG:

Where is 3?

123 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right next to it there.

124 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry, down here, (indicating)?

125 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right there.

126 MR. KELBERG:

What is already circled in red?

127 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

128 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let me keep that then and I will write up here "No. 3 of 5"?

129 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is no. 4.

130 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry, here, doctor?

131 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This one right here, pointing right there, (indicating).

132 MR. KELBERG:

All right. I will circle that and I will out the side write "No. 4 of 5.".

133 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

And this is no. 5 here, (indicating).

134 MR. KELBERG:

And is there some writing associated with that?

135 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It says I think it is 5/8 of an inch.

136 MR. KELBERG:

Let me circle this area and I will write "No. 5 of 5."

137 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, which is the one of these five that, in your opinion, does not overlay the area of the confluent abrasions?

138 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This one, (indicating).

139 MR. KELBERG:

What we have labeled no. 5 of 5?

140 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

141 MR. KELBERG:

Now, you said Dr. Golden addressed this as well in the protocol?

142 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. He addresses it as page 6, item 2. This whole paragraph refers to that, (indicating).

143 MR. KELBERG:

Is that an accurate description of what you see in the photograph G-55 concerning this injury or series of injuries?

144 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

145 MR. KELBERG:

Let me outline this in blue. I will write "G-55 inj. no. 5."

146 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, in Dr. Golden's description, the last sentence, he says: "They are superficial" these five wounds, "Involving the skin and associated with a small amount of cutaneous hemorrhage." Doctor, is that information of assistance to you in assessing whether those five cuts were inflicted before death, at or around the time of death or after death?

147 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It would--to me it would indicate that they happened before death because you must have blood pressure to have hemorrhage in the soft tissues.

KEY QUOTE
148 MR. KELBERG:

And the cutaneous hemorrhage would be into the soft tissues as you define that term?

149 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

150 MR. KELBERG:

Anything else about no. 5?

151 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Nothing else.

152 MR. KELBERG:

All right. I believe you said there was a number 6 or am I wrong?

153 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No. 6 is already we discussed. That is the wound to the right ear which goes to the temporal bone.

154 MR. KELBERG:

Is there any other injury to the face that we have not discussed in 1 through 5?

155 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

156 MR. KELBERG:

Is there any aspect of the addendum that addresses the last series of injuries no. 5 that we have not gone into yet?

157 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Umm, no.

158 MR. KELBERG:

So as far as you are concerned, doctor, have we completed a discussion of the facial injuries in G-55?

159 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

160 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, if you want to take the stand for just a brief moment and sit, I want to ask you some questions about some testimony, and I'm focusing now, doctor, strictly on injury 5, this series of five superficial cuts, four of which you say overlay the confluent abrasion area that is injury no. 3. In part--as part of your review, doctor, did you review Dr. Golden's preliminary hearing testimony concerning this area?

161 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

162 MR. KELBERG:

And inviting--

163 MR. SHAPIRO:

Your Honor, there would be an objection based on the fact that this is all hearsay testimony.

164 THE COURT:

Overruled.

165 MR. KELBERG:

May I continue, your Honor?

166 THE COURT:

At this point, yes.

167 MR. SHAPIRO:

May there be a continuing objection?

168 THE COURT:

The objection is premature at this time. The question was did you review the testimony? Yes, I did. There has been no question.

KEY QUOTE
169 MR. SHAPIRO:

But the harm is going to come if the question is read.

170 THE COURT:

That is a speaking objection as well. Proceed, Mr. Kelberg.

KEY QUOTE
171 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor.

172 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, and inviting Court and counsel's attention to pages 81 and 82 and 85 of that preliminary hearing transcript and 86, I should say, was this part of the information you reviewed, doctor, questioning by Mr. Hodgman: "Now, doctor I realize that there are more lesser wounds that were not indicated on your diagram, but I would like to move ahead now to the lower left hand figure on People's 27 for identification, and sir, you observed, during the course of your autopsy, five wounds to the right side of Mr. Goldman's face; is that correct? "Answer: Yes. "Question: And it appears that we have four of those five wounds marked in red on that lower left-hand figure on People's 27 for identification; is that correct? "Answer: Yes. "Question: Now, would you in brief describe those wounds for us, sir. "Answer: Okay. Referring to my notes, these were superficial cuts, varying in orientation involving the skin of the right cheek and they varied from approximately one-half to one inch in maximal length. "Question: And these five wounds, sir, were not fatal; is that correct, in and of themselves? "Answer: Correction. Yes. I said one-half. It is okay. Referring to my protocol, they were small cuts. They varied from one quarter inch in length to 5/8 of an inch in length, the superficial cuts to the right side of the cheek. "Question: All to the right side of the cheek; is that correct? "Answer: Yes." And before I read the next question and answer, doctor, is this a reference to what you have described as injury no. 3, the area of the confluent abrasions?

173 MR. SHAPIRO:

Objection, hearsay.

174 THE COURT:

Overruled.

175 MR. KELBERG:

You may answer.

176 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I thought the cuts you described referred to injury no. 5, the five cuts.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
It would--to me it would indicate that they happened before death because you must have blood pressure to have hemorrhage in the soft tissues.
Establishes that the five superficial cuts to Goldman's right cheek were inflicted while he was still alive, based on evidence of cutaneous hemorrhage in the wound tissue.
Lance A. Ito
That is a speaking objection as well. Proceed, Mr. Kelberg.
Ito overrules Shapiro's hearsay objection and separately admonishes him for making a speaking objection after already noting the objection was premature.
Lance A. Ito
The objection is premature at this time. The question was did you review the testimony? Yes, I did. There has been no question.
Illustrates Ito's tight management of objection timing and procedure during technical testimony.

Evidence (5)

G-55
Autopsy photograph of Ron Goldman's facial injuries
discussed throughout; injuries numbered and circled directly on displayed image
Informal
Autopsy diagram 22-III — schematic of Goldman's right cheek and eye area abrasions
discussed and cross-referenced with photograph
Informal
Autopsy diagram 22-I — schematic showing five superficial incise wounds of right cheek
discussed; individual wounds circled and numbered by Kelberg
Informal
Dr. Golden's autopsy protocol (page 6, items 2, 4, 5) and addendum (page 2, no. 3)
read aloud and annotated in blue and red marker by Kelberg
People's 27 (preliminary hearing identification)
Diagram used during Dr. Golden's preliminary hearing testimony showing four of five cheek wounds marked in red
referenced via reading of preliminary hearing transcript pages 81–82, 85–86

Notable Exchanges (2)

Lance A. ItoBrian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Ito interrupts to tell Kelberg and Lakshmanan to stop talking over each other, then jokes about putting the microphone in the doctor's tie — only to be told by the sound technician that would not work.
light/procedural
Robert ShapiroLance A. Ito
Shapiro objects to hearsay before a substantive question is even asked, then asks for a continuing objection. Ito rebukes both moves — calling the first premature and the second a speaking objection — and directs Kelberg to proceed.
strategic/corrective

Light Moments (2)

Lance A. Ito
Ito suggests placing the microphone in the doctor's tie to improve audio; the sound technician shakes their head no.
Lance A. Ito
After the microphone suggestion fails, Ito dryly observes: 'He has been talking a long time.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Dr. Irwin Golden
prior testimony comparison
Kelberg reads Golden's preliminary hearing testimony describing the five right-cheek wounds to establish a baseline, then asks Lakshmanan to confirm which injury series the description refers to — implicitly surfacing any discrepancies between Golden's original descriptions and Lakshmanan's current characterizations.

Witness Demeanor

(indicating) — repeated throughout as Lakshmanan points to locations on photograph and diagrams
Witness occasionally speaks simultaneously with Kelberg, requiring judicial intervention

Objections

3 objections (0 sustained, 2 overruled)
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