Mr. Fairtlough, if you'll take down the previous one and put this one up. Could we--and focus more again on the back of the hand at the moment rather than on the fingers. Great. And, Mr. Fairtlough, can you take an arrow again and about in the center of the photograph, bring it down. Right--a little further down, please.

Doctor, do you see where the arrow is right now on this exhibit 517?

Yes, I do.

Did you observe that particular finding at the time of your June 15th examination?

Yes, I did.

Did you form an opinion as to what that represented?

No, I did not.

Would you agree that you did not describe it anywhere on your rough diagram which we marked as exhibit 514? That's this.

No, I would disagree with that.

All right. Would you--let me show you--you tell me then where you mark these in.

Right here (Indicating), these lines right there.

Okay. What do these other lines mean? And we'll get this up so everybody could see.

Those were the little--the ditsals that we were talking about.

The ditsals? Which are the ditsals?

Immediately to the right of that linear area and then there's one back behind that. Again, those were just to make me remember to look at those on the pictures, but they were definitely there.

Did you ever write a report describing what those things were? I'm sorry. Yes. If we could put exhibit 514 up. We'll come back to the photograph just so everybody can see what you've described. And, doctor, why don't you point out if you would and then maybe Mr. Fairtlough will circle it.

Direct him if you can.

These areas right here, and there's a dot. Again--there is a little area right there (Indicating). These were areas that, again, I was counting totally on the pictures to document those. I was putting those down as a self-reminder taking the exact pictures I can't draw. It's all very misleading. This wasn't what I intended to do diagrammatically and I wanted to have pictures be the record for that and that's why I had pictures taken.

Doctor, do you still have your original report that we marked? Yes. I'm sorry. That's yours. I think this is the one I need.

Mr. Fairtlough, would you put up again page 440. And for the record, Mr. Fairtlough drew some circles around the area where the doctor had pointed out on his rough diagram.

Yes.

Now, doctor, this is the more complete diagram. And if Mr. Fairtlough will raise it just a bit. Could you raise it just so we can see the bottom. At the bottom, you drew in or wrote in--and maybe you could raise it even further, Mr. Fairtlough, and we'll focus on just right on the end. There we go. We're looking at now those two areas of abrasion--

Correct.

--that were seen in the photograph we were looking at, 516 I think that is?

Correct.

All right. Now, if we'll bring the rest of the schematic into view. Did you draw in any of those little lines that you drew in in your rough diagram?

Yes, I did.

And would you indicate where they are?

There's a zigzag line and then those various dots down below.

All right. If you'll direct Mr. Fairtlough.

This was intending to be the abrasion, and then these various dots that represented these various other punctate lesions again that I was doing as a mnemonic assuming that these were all going to be replaced by the photos and that this was just something that would--

Where Mr.--I'm sorry.

That this was something that would then just keep the whole issue fresh in my mind.

Where Mr. Fairtlough has the uppermost arrow, you said that was in your opinion an abrasion?

That was the linear laceration.

Laceration or abrasion, doctor?

Linear abrasion.

And let's ask Mr. Fairtlough--you can print that out? Sure. Why don't you print that out.

Thanks, Mr. Harris. And now ask you to put up 517 again and again focusing on that, bring the arrow over if you would, please, Mr. Fairtlough, to the right. Right there.

Is that, doctor, what you are now describing as this abrasion?

The linear abrasion, correct.

All right. Now, doctor, if Mr. Simpson had had a glove on his left hand, that area would in your opinion be covered if the glove were still being worn; would it not be the situation?

But if the glove had been forcibly removed, this area of the hand would be exposed; is that correct?

Objection. Speculation, argumentative.

Sustained. Sustained.

Doctor, I want you to assume hypothetically that Mr. Simpson did murder Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

Objection. May we approach, your Honor?

Sustained. Rephrase the question.

I want--

May we approach, your Honor?

No.

Make a record?

No. Proceed.

--that the perpetrator of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman wore gloves, left and right hand, that in the effort to perpetrate the murder, he lost the left glove, exposing the hand as we see it in this photograph. With me so far on this hypothetical?

Yes, I am.

And that in the course of Mr. Goldman trying to get the knife in the right hand of the perpetrator away from his neck, that he scratched the perpetrator's left hand that was being used to control him, much like I demonstrated with you earlier this afternoon. Do you have that assumption?

Objection, your Honor. May we approach?

Overruled.

Do you have that assumption in mind, doctor?

Yes, I do.

Again, would this be consistent in your opinion with an injury received by Mr. Simpson under such a hypothetical set of circumstances?

Can I see some pictures of that cut so that I can just make sure they're right to left?

Sure.

Because you'd think for it then if his right hand--

For the record, I'm giving the witness exhibit 517.

Yes.

That would be a possibility? I'm sorry.

May I recollect? Now, doctor, I'm just going to ask you collectively regarding these other injuries. But to do so, let me mark some additional photographs, and I'll show them to you collectively.

Your Honor, what appear to be seven additional photographs of the left wrist or hand area, may they be marked collectively 518-A through whatever the next letter would be?

Yes.

And then what appear to be two photographs of the right hand. I'm sorry. I need to add one more of the left hand to the collection. A photograph of the right hand that I'd ask to be marked as exhibit 519.

19.

19?

19.

May I approach? There are two of them. I'm sorry. I was right the first time. 519-A and B. May I approach the witness?

You may.

Doctor, would you look at 518-A through whatever it is going to end, which as you are looking at them, my question to you is, do each of these photographs fairly and accurately show the left hand, wrist or arm near the area of the wrist of Mr. Simpson as of the time you saw him on June 15th and June 17th, 1994?

We'll stipulate these are photographs--

Excuse me?

No. Go ahead.

We'll stipulate these are photographs that we turned over to Mr. Kelberg.

Go ahead and look at the photographs. Mr. Kelberg.

I certainly accept the stipulation as required under Defense discovery, but the question was, do these fairly and accurately represent the areas depicted as of the time seen by Dr. Huizenga on June 15th and June 17th, 1994.

Proceed.

And that's the purpose I ask you to look at them, doctor.

Mr. Kelberg.

Doctor, you've had a chance to review each of them?

Yes, I have.

Do each of those photographs fairly and accurately show the area depicted in each of the photographs as seen by you on June 15th and June 17th, 1994?

The areas of the injuries are similar, correct.

And basically, do the photographs fairly show them? In other words, it's not a distortion what we're looking at?

No, I don't believe these are distorted.

Now, doctor, let me add two other photographs. Oh, I'm sorry. This one has been marked. I'm not sure that this one has. Just to be on the safe side, another one to add to the 518 collection, your Honor?

All right.

Of the left hand.

Same question to you, doctor. Does that fairly and accurately show the area of the left hand, back of the left hand as you saw it on June 15th and June 17th?

Yes, it does.

And let me show you then the two photographs marked 519-A and B and ask you basically the same question regarding the back of the right hand.

Yes, it does.

Doctor, with respect to the left hand, how many injuries--and I will include cuts, abrasions together. How many injuries did you see on June 15th on Mr. Simpson, whether you diagrammed them in or you have to go on the basis of photographs? And let me give you the photographs, and you can look through them to count if necessary.

He sustained an injury to his proximal interphalangeal joint that we've discussed. He sustained an injury to the distal third interphalangeal joint. He sustained an injury that appeared to be continuous, but did have a mid--a mid-break area on the fourth--basically from the D, the distal to the proximal interphalangeal joint.

Let me stop you if you're done with that description because we have a photograph I'm going to ask you--this is one of the Defense exhibits, 1249.

That's correct.

All right, doctor. If Mr. Fairtlough can get us the arrow again. Why don't you trace for us on this photograph the course that you're talking about. And I think you may need to bring--there you go, Mr. Fairtlough.

Basically it's difficult to see here, at least my angle. But the incision, the laceration starts here (Indicating), and there appear to be kind of a continuous cyanidol pattern right here. It seemed to be one injury to me at the time. That was my initial impression.

In looking at this photograph or any of the other photographs, has your opinion changed as to whether or not in fact this may be the product of separate injuries?

I still think that it's--it's a continuing type of injury.

Now, we could go on--and, Mr. Fairtlough, if you could print that out perhaps. And, your Honor, could the printout just be added to the Defense exhibit of 1249? Want to make it a People's exhibit? Then it's 520.

520.

We're done with the photographs.

All right. Five minutes, Mr. Kelberg.

Okay.

Any other on the left? Any others on the left?

Oh, and then we had the abrasion that we noted here. We had--

May I approach, your Honor?

--as I recall, three punctate lesions.

A lesion being an injury?

An injury, kind of a small circular area.

And let me have--your Honor, just to be on the safe side, could this be 519-A so we'll be able to--518-A. Excuse me.

All right.

Mr. Fairtlough, will you put that up so we can all see what the doctor is looking at? And we're going to focus down toward the arm from where we saw that linear abrasion. Is that right, doctor?

That is correct.

And if Mr. Fairtlough gets the arrow up to the right. To the right. To the right. Up. Right there. Is that one of the injuries, the punctate lesions as you've described it?

Yes, it is.

And is that consistent with an abrasion, punctate abrasion much like you described the other as being a linear abrasion?

Of some sort.

Did they appear to be in approximately the same state of healing?

Yes, they did.

Are there any other abrasions as seen in this photograph, 518-A?

Yes. There's one below that and a little bit off to the right.

All right. If we can lower the arrow. To the right. Down further, Mr. Fairtlough, perhaps. To the right.

To the right.

Right there about, doctor?

Correct.

And is that a similar punctate abrasion?

Yes, it is.

Anything else in this photograph?

I don't see anything in that photograph.

If Mr. Fairtlough could print this perhaps. And, your Honor, 518-AA as the printout?

Yes.

Any others, doctor?

There was, you know--on one of the pictures here, there were three. That's why I said that they were very--the other one was somewhat smaller than that.

Why don't you show me which photograph. We can put it up.

These I believe were the two that you have just mentioned, and there was--I don't really see it on this picture.

Let me ask you to look actually at one of the--

I don't see it on this picture.

--the large photographs of the left hand.

And I'll make this 518-B.

Do you see what appears to be some kind of injury on the thumb?

Yes, I do.

Was that one of the injuries you saw?

No, it was not.

Was it--do you know when this photograph was taken?

I have no idea.

As between the 15th of the 17th? We stipulated this has been provided by Defense counsel. Can you tell us when?

Umm, that looks like the 15th.

And, Mr. Fairtlough, could you put this 518-B up and see if we can see this injury on the thumb area. You're going to--there we go. Do you want to switch perhaps the other direction, Mr. Fairtlough? Now--I mean with the thumb vertical. I'm sorry. And down and about in the--halfway down from the thumbnail, Mr. Fairtlough, with an arrow.

You have no recollection, doctor, of seeing that injury on the 15th?

That was one of the things I didn't indicate and--on the initial evaluation and obviously was there if that's the 15th, but I didn't make a note of that.

I didn't hear the last part. I'm sorry.

And, doctor, in looking at the picture, do you have an opinion as to whether this is a cut or an abrasion?

It appears also to be an abrasion of some sort.

Any other injuries, doctor, to the left hand?

The two that we discussed near the ulnar styloid.

Any others?

No. That's--that's everything.

Let me show you the right-hand photos. We have two photos of the right hand, 519-A and B. In the photographs, do you see any cuts or abrasions?

No. I don't see any cuts or abrasions here.

Do you see--you described I think seeing a paper cut on the 17th that you didn't initially see on the 15th; is that accurate?

No, that's not accurate.

You saw a paper cut at the tip of one of the fingers on the right hand; is that--

On the 15th and the 17th.

Same one though?

Same one.

Okay. And you have no idea when that was received age wise, do you?

No. I basically asked how he got the cuts, and he said he cut it on glass, and I basically did not pursue that.

And that included the right-hand paper cut on the end of the particular finger? Is that a yes?

That is a yes.

Your Honor, does the Court wish to take a break at this point?

Yes. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take our mid afternoon break. Please remember all my admonitions to you. And we'll stand in recess for 15. Doctor, you can step down. Return in 15. All right.