All right. Mr. Goldberg, would you collect that from Deputy Bashmakian, please. All right. Let the record reflect that each of the jurors had the opportunity to carefully review People's 596, the sock photograph.

Thank you, your Honor.

I'd like to move on to another topic if we may, and that's to ask you a couple clarifying questions about bindle no. 47. Now, it is your opinion that there was a wet transfer in that bindle; is that correct?

Yes. That's no doubt in my mind it's a wet transfer.

All right. Now, sir, when you were doing your examination in this case, did you find--

Well, let me withdraw that question, your Honor. I'd like to mark another exhibit as People's next in order what appears to be a board of three photographs showing bindle no. 42 in this case.

All right. That will be People's 597.

165, can you see that?

Yes, sir.

All right. 1386?

Sir, I'd like to direct your attention to the item that's been marked as People's 596--excuse me--5--

97.

--97 for identification, Dr. Lee. Can you take a look at that?

Yes, sir. Your Honor?

You may.

Yes.

Is this one of the items that you examined?

Yes, sir.

And did this also contain some wet transfers?

In my notes, I did mention this item have wet transfer.

And, sir, if the testimony in this case is that the swatches here came from a pool of the victim's blood, Nicole Simpson, would you expect that to play any material role in terms of whether or not we would get a wet transfer? In other words, would her blood be different from someone else's blood?

I don't know. I did not group that. I can't really tell you whose blood. The transfer in my note refer a bow tie, like a bow tie transfer. I try to find a piece in here have a bow tie (Indicating). Whether or not can fit this bow tie, I wasn't too successful.

And that could be something twisted; is that correct?

Yes, sir.

What I'm asking you--I guess my question wasn't very clear--is, would we expect that perhaps Orenthal Simpson's blood dries at a faster rate or different rate than Nicole Brown's blood?

Objection. Improper hypothetical.

Sustained.

What?

Sustained.

Well, would we expect that one person's blood would dry faster or slower than another person's blood?

This morning, indicates there are other factors. Among them, sample, condition of sample, the drying condition. Here, I don't know how many swatches have whole bundle of it and only few small transfer which indicative there are some wet transfer. That's all I can say.

Okay. Well--and that's the same as bindle 47?

47 have few more transfers, four transfers.

So this has a few less transfers?

Yes, sir.

But both of them have transfers.

Your Honor, I'd like to show the witness very briefly the exhibit that we've marked as "Serology results board," People's 202 for identification. It's out in the hall apparently, if we may get it.

May we approach when he does?

Serology results board?

I have an objection to this. Outside the scope.

Overruled.

All right. This is People's exhibit?

202.

Proceed. Mr. Goldberg.

Okay. Doctor, I want to you assume there's already been testimony to this board and the accuracy of the PGM subtypes and direct your attention to the PGM subtype column.

May I approach, your Honor?

Yes.

Showing you item no. 42 for identification, it says, "Blood under Nicole brown"; is that correct?

The chart say so.

Yes. And according to the chart, there is an inconclusive result on that PGM subtype, an inc. B?

Right.

Thank you. Now, in terms of bindle 42 containing blood under Nicole brown--

Yes, sir.

--and bindle 47, do you believe that the same process was responsible--I mean, are the types of transfer stains we're seeing in both of those consistent?

First, we don't have 47 on the board.

Yeah. I'm not asking you--

Oh, you not asking me the board.

--transfer stains, yes.

I thought you asking me about a board.

But the transfer stains are consistent in both cases; is that correct?

They're wet transfer. That aspect similar, but the transfer pattern being different.

All right. And there were different swatches and different combinations of swatches?

Yes. Yes.

All right. Thank you. Now, getting to the shoeprints that we left off with on the Bundy location--

Yes, sir.

--on the walkway itself, there was one photograph from June the 13th--

Yes.

--that you referred to. And was it your conclusion in your testimony that there was some parallel lines that could be seen in that?

Yes, sir.

And was it your conclusion when you testified on Friday that with regard to those parallel lines and that photograph, it could be anything?

Yes. Just some parallel line. And I can not say that's a footprint.

Your Honor, I'd like to mark as People's next in order a photograph that is depicting one of the shoeprints. It's P-50.

All right. This will be People's 598. Have you shown that to Mr. Scheck?

I'm sorry. It's already been marked as People's 45-I.

All right. Withdraw 598.

May I just approach the witness very quickly?

You may.

Sir, I'd like to show you quickly what we've already marked in this case as 45-I. Does that appear to be a first generation photograph of the June 13th photograph that appear to have some parallel lines that could be anything?

And now that you see that photograph, does it appear that the parallel lines are in fact trawl marks or scratches in the surface of the pavement?

Could be.

Does that appear to be the most reasonable explanation?

Yes. Right.

Okay. So that leaves us with the parallel line imprints that you saw on June the 25th that we discussed?

Yes.

Now, sir, when you took those photographs of parallel line imprints on the Bundy walk itself--

Yes, sir.

--had you seen those prints on the walk at any time prior to June the 25th?

I wasn't there. I definite did not see anything like this before.

And did you examine the photographs in this case that were provided to you by Mr. Shapiro to determine whether or not you could see those particular parallel line prints in the photos?

Unfortunately, the area I found really don't have a good photograph. Most of the overall view photo is taken at angle. It's lost the perception. Some did. Some are pretty good photograph. Those are selective. Just shows those imprint consistent with Bruno Magli.

All right. Let's take a look at the Defense exhibit 1337, which is the footprint board if we may.

Yes. Bless you.

Now, with respect to the photograph on this exhibit that is at the bottom in the middle that says "Walkway, June the 25th, 1994 on it"--

Yes, sir.

--can you show the ladies and gentlemen of the jury clearly where the parallel line footprint is?

I say imprint evidence. I think I did not say footprint. I don't think I identify this as footprint. I identify this one as footprint. I see parallel line imprint here (Indicating).

Okay. But does this appear to have a round edge that would seem to be consistent with some sort of a manufactured object like a sole?

Maybe.

And did you say that the characteristics of these two items were the same?

No. This is a parallel line here like Bruno Magli. Here look like a portion on top of each other. You are overlapping them two patterns. That's why I call imprint evidence. I did not call footprint. This one is a clear one. You can see from the toe to the heel. That's why I call this one a footprint. It's no doubt in my mind this made shoe (Indicating).

Both of these imprint--parallel imprints were in blood from appearances?

This definite is, and this I tested also consistent with (Indicating).

And--well, I make a motion to strike the part about testing because I said appearances.

Appearances. That will be stricken.

And, Dr. Lee, was it your opinion that insofar as you could tell, the characteristics of these two are consistent with one another?

Yes, sir.

All right. Now, can you tell us from your--now, this parallel imprint is it fair to say sort of transects one of the tiles?

It's a mixture of imprints, debris overlapping, quite a few stuff in there, quite a few imprint items altogether. This one is clear and define. That's why I call this as an imprint. I don't refer to as a footprint (Indicating).

But this particular imprint seems to go across where the tiles meet at a junction; is that correct?

Yes. A portion of this appear to be cross.

All right. And can you just double-check your notes, doctor, to see whether you accurately stated what tile you believe the cross footprint to be in?

Well, actually, this one is tile 10. I have no doubt of this. This I did not bring my note with me. You get a copy. I think it's between tile 5, 6 or 7, 6, something in that neighborhood (Indicating).

Okay. So when you said "This," you're talking about the imprint evidence that's on the bottom in the middle. We don't know what tile it is on for sure.

Yes, sir.

And can you tell us what tile it was on for sure by looking at your notes?

No.

All right. But the one in the lower part of the diagram on the right you say is on tile no.--

10.

Okay.

Yes.

Your Honor, at this time--well, is it conceivable--I don't want to have the courtroom flooded with boards, but is there a way that we can have three boards at one time or is that just an impossibility? All right. Let's just take this one down. Your Honor, I'd like to next mark a blank magnetic board as People's 5--

98.

I thought had a 9--we don't have a 98?

98.

Okay. Can we put the easel in the middle, your Honor? Your Honor, actually let's--your Honor, I'd like to mark as People's next in order, it will be--can I mark it as part of this--well, I'll do it as 599-A, B and C, a series of magnetized photographs of the Bundy walk. A appears to be the furthest up the walk, B is the middle photograph in terms of where it's positioned on the walk.

All right. Do we have any remains on this?

No, your Honor.

All right. May I see it, Mr. Bancroft?

And C is going to be the furthest east. That would be towards where Nicole's body was.

All right. Noted.

And, your Honor, with the court's permission, can I put A, B and C tags on that just so we can make the testimony a little easier to follow?

Yes, please.

Now, Dr. Lee, perhaps you could step down for a moment.

And, Mr. Goldberg--

Well, put it where it's not covering any of the tiles like on the spout.

2:45. 2:45.

2:45? Okay. Your Honor, while Dr. Lee is examining that photograph, I'd like to put photograph 45--People's 45-D on the elmo, which is P-46 or on laser, whichever way we can do it. We're going to put it on the elmo instead, your Honor.

All right.

I believe it has to be arranged the other way so that we can see the whole photo.

Okay. Dr. Lee, I want you to look carefully at this, and I'll show you the actual photo off the elmo if you need to see it, but I would like to direct your attention to what would appear to be a detective's left leg, left foot, third tile.

You have two--

Black--

Set of shoes.

Black shoes.

Black shoes.

In the third tile?

One, two, three. Yeah, third tile.

All right. I'd like you to look carefully at the shoeprint that is to the right of the third tile.

To the right. Here. You mean this one (Indicating)?

Yeah. To the right of the tile in the third row.

Third row. Left or right?

No, no. Third row back towards what would be the alley.

That's one, that's two, that's three, right (Indicating)?

Yeah.

The third row. Okay.

Now, Dr. Lee, taking a look back at--you want to look at it down here?

Yes. I can't see this one (Indicating).

Okay. So the one that we're referring to, that we've just been referring to as the same as on photograph C on our Bundy exhibit; is that correct?

That's correct.

So that would be the third row. Sir, is the arrow in the right place on the telestrator?

You mean the shoeprint you want to show me?

Yes.

Yes.

Can we print that and mark that?

Okay. Dr. Lee, I'm going to put a little "3" in an area of the tile that appears to contain no shoeprint evidence. Is this okay?

Sure.

So that would be the third row. I'm not going to mark all of these because otherwise, it would take too long. But if this is 3, 4, 5, 6, 7--

7.

7. Okay. I want you to attest if I'm putting no. 7 in the right place.

Yes.

Okay. Let's use the bigger photograph. This is 7, 8, 9, 10. And the parallel line shoeprint is supposed to be where?

Here (Indicating).

And do you see anything that bears--

I see something on the tile.

You see something on that tile?

Yeah.

Where?

Appear to be a pattern on this tile (Indicating).

You're saying you could see a pattern on that tile?

Some kind of pattern. I can not describe this pattern because this picture taken--again, it's not one to one direct down. The photographer take a picture in my position. So everything lost perspective. You can't--you do see something here. Whether or not those are--you can see quite a few stuff here. This is a set of footprint. But here, you can see they are transfer imprints, but I can not tell you what kind of a pattern (Indicating).

Your Honor, could the record reflect here that Dr. Lee has indicated first reddish--the darker red ones that were previously referred to as Bruno Magli, and I think it goes from the set of tiles which are the--

No. 7.

Well, there's--I think if you start from the number--

No. 7.

--no. 7, that they go straight back. And then he indicated another set--

Column.

--another column of imprints--

Third tile over from the left.

--one tile over from the left. And in particular, the discussions started with an examination of where Mr. Goldberg had placed the "10" which, if we go three tiles over to the right, he indicates seeing an imprint there.

So noted. Thank you.

So, Dr. Lee, you're saying that the imprint is 10 down the tile--

You can actual start from here.

--but the possible, whatever it is, is 10 down and three over; is that right?

But here again, 10, 9, 8, 7 and 8 is here with something.

Now, in your notes, did you document any imprint as being 10 down and three over?

I don't have this photograph. That's the first day I see this photograph.

Well, Dr. Lee, with respect to the parallel line imprint, didn't you say it was 10 down and one over? Is that correct?

That's still one over from this one, one over. That's not right. That's the planter (Indicating).

Well, here, let's compare them. Can you help me with this, doctor?

Your Honor, I think we should put this up too.

No, no. That's the other way around.

Okay. And so according to your notes, the print that we're looking for should be 10 down and two over?

No. My notes says "10th tile." I did not put--make this board.

So you're saying--

Somebody made this board.

So you're saying this board is wrong?

Can we have that reflected on the board?

Mr. Goldberg.

Put that up so that we can make a change?

Well, you'll have to do that on redirect I suppose.

You want to at least--wait, wait. Mr. Goldberg, while you're conducting your examination, would you at least describe for the record what the witness is referring to?

Okay. I--he was referring to the Bundy imprint board and saying, "I did not make this board."

Yes.

Which is Defense exhibit what?

I think it's 1337.

All right. Thank you.

Sir, did you say you were not given photos from June the 13th of this walkway?

I don't have a picture as clear as this. I have some picture barely see the images, not too good.

All right. Counsel, we've got a logistical problem here because we've got four or five jurors who can't see the witness now. So--

Dr. Lee, did you ask--

Hold on, hold on, hold on. All right. We're going to have to move some of these items. Do you need 1337 up at this point?

1337? I don't necessarily need it up as long as he's came down--well, I think he's already testified where--

May I request, your Honor, that marking be made on the board?

No. You can do that on your part of the redirect, counsel.

Doctor, did you ever ask the Defense to provide you with higher quality pictures?

I get the information that's all the picture we get. It's total out of sequence mixed up like a deck of card. I spend lot of time trying to make some sense out.

But when you got it from Mr. Shapiro, did you say, "Please send me some examination quality photos"?

I did ask it. He said that's all he get. He took it back right away. I don't have the photograph.

So you don't have them now?

I don't have it now.

Now, I'd like to direct your attention to your notes from 6-25. What does that say in terms of where the 10th tile footprint is?

By the way, that's Dr. Wolf, Barbara Wolf note. But 10th tile here, first line parallel, you see this line parallel line footprint (Indicating).

So it's on 10, but do we know how many over it is from the notes?

Based on her notes, I don't know.

Well, do you have notes that show how--

All right. So at this point, we have no record as to where that is?

Judge by your photograph, I think it's the second row in front of house. That's the third house, in front of planter. That's the second row.

You have no independent recollection?

No. No.

And you have no independent recollection of where the other one is; is that correct?

I only have one shot very short time. I photograph document it.

Okay. Let's--are we going to take a recess at 2:45, your Honor, because I wanted to switch to the other print and maybe we can take a recess now.

All right. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll take our mid-afternoon 15-minute recess at this point. Remember all my admonitions to you. Dr. Lee, you can step down. We'll be in recess for 15.