📄 Cross-examination of Dennis Fung (afternoon, part 5) — Wednesday, April 5, 1995
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Cross-examination of Dennis Fung (afternoon, part 5)

Witness: Dennis Fung
Examiner: Barry Scheck
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Wednesday, April 5, 1995 • Utterances: 366
Barry Scheck continues his cross-examination of LAPD criminalist Dennis Fung, methodically exposing two serious procedural failures at the Bundy crime scene: Detective Lange's request to bring the Rockingham glove into the active crime scene (a cross-contamination risk Fung admits he recognized), and the premature removal of Ron Goldman's body through the narrow thirty-inch passage where the Bundy glove, knit hat, and prescription glasses envelope lay. The session concludes with Scheck presenting two photographs showing the Bundy glove had been repositioned between images, which Fung confirms.
1 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. PLEASE BE SEATED. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ALL PARTIES ARE AGAIN PRESENT BEFORE THE COURT. WE HAVE BEEN REJOINED BY ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR JURY PANEL. MR. DENNIS FUNG IS ON THE WITNESS STAND UNDERGOING CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. SCHECK. AND MR. SCHECK, YOU MAY RESUME WITH YOUR CROSS-EXAMINATION.

2 MR. SCHECK:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR.

3 Q:

MR. FUNG, WE LEFT OFF WITH THE VIDEO THAT IS STOPPED AT 1:18:17:03. NOW, WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM, DO YOU RECALL?

4 A:

COMING FROM THE CAGE AREA IN THE DIRT.

5 Q:

UH-HUH. AND UMM, WHERE HAD YOU BEEN IN THE CAGE AREA PRIOR TO STEPPING INTO VIEW HERE?

6 A:

I DON'T THINK I WAS MUCH DEEPER THAN TWO FEET INTO THE CAGE AREA.

7 Q:

UH-HUH. AND FROM THE MOMENT THAT YOU ARRIVED AT THE CRIME SCENE TO THE POINT THAT WE SEE DEPICTED HERE, HAD YOU SEEN ANYBODY ELSE WALK THROUGH THAT CAGED-IN AREA?

8 A:

YES.

9 Q:

DETECTIVE LANGE?

10 A:

I'M NOT SURE WHO, BUT I DO RECALL PEOPLE WALKING IN THERE.

11 Q:

ANYONE ELSE?

12 A:

I DON'T RECALL WHO EXACTLY.

13 Q:

MORE THAN ONE PERSON?

14 A:

YES.

15 Q:

NOW, YOU SPENT SOME TIME AND HAD SOME TRAINING IN TAKING SHOEPRINT IMPRESSIONS?

16 A:

YES.

17 Q:

AND THOSE SHOEPRINT IMPRESSIONS CAN BE TAKEN FROM SOIL?

18 A:

YES.

19 Q:

IF THERE IS AN IMPRESSION IN SOIL, ONE CAN USE A VARIETY OF TECHNIQUES OF CASTING TO LIFT THOSE SHOE IMPRESSIONS FROM SOIL?

20 A:

YES.

21 Q:

IF THERE HAD BEEN SOME KILLER OR PERPETRATOR HIDING IN THAT -- REAR OF THAT CAGED-IN AREA, THAT PERPETRATOR COULD HAVE LEFT SHOEPRINT IMPRESSIONS IN THE SOIL?

22 A:

POSSIBLY.

23 Q:

AND IF YOU HAD ARRIVED AT THE CRIME SCENE BEFORE PEOPLE BEGAN WALKING INTO THAT AREA AND HAD OBSERVED SUCH IMPRESSIONS, YOU COULD HAVE DONE A CASTING ON THEM?

24 A:

IF SOME WERE THERE, YES.

25 Q:

AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER ANY WERE THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD BEEN WALKING IN AND OUT OF THERE BEFORE YOU ARRIVED?

26 MR. GOLDBERG:

ARGUMENTATIVE.

27 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. CALLS FOR SPECULATION.

28 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: WERE YOU ABLE TO CONDUCT A METHODICAL SYSTEMATIC UNHURRIED INVESTIGATION OF THE SOIL OF THE CAGED-IN AREA WITH MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY IN PLACE AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY FOUND?

29 A:

NO.

30 Q:

AND THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE PARTICULAR TRAINING TO DO?

31 A:

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I AM TRAINED TO DO, YES.

32 Q:

NOW, DO YOU RECALL WHAT YOU WERE DOING IN THAT CAGED-IN AREA JUST PRIOR TO THE PICTURE WE SEE ON THE SCREEN?

33 A:

DETECTIVE LANGE HAD ASKED IF HE COULD SEE THE GLOVE FROM ROCKINGHAM AND I BROUGHT THE BAG OVER TO HIM.

34 Q:

WHEN DID HE ASK YOU TO DO THIS?

35 A:

SHORTLY AFTER I GOT TO THE BUNDY LOCATION.

36 Q:

AND WHERE WERE YOU SITUATED WHEN HE CAME AND MADE THIS REQUEST?

37 A:

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.

38 Q:

WERE YOU IN THE AREA WHERE MISS NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON'S BODY WAS AT THAT POINT?

39 A:

WHERE IT WAS?

40 Q:

YES.

41 A:

OR WHERE IT HAD BEEN MOVED FROM?

42 Q:

WELL, WHEN YOU ARRIVED YOU SAW HER BODY?

43 A:

YES.

44 Q:

AND YOU SAW THE -- BY THIS POINT I THINK YOU HAVE TOLD US THE PEOPLE FROM THE CORONER'S OFFICE HAD TURNED HER OVER?

45 A:

SHE WAS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION, BEING WRAPPED UP.

46 Q:

YES. AND WAS IT THAT POINT THAT DETECTIVE LANGE COME OUT OF THIS AREA AND TALKED TO YOU OUT ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THIS CRIME SCENE?

47 A:

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE HE REQUESTED TO -- REQUESTED SEEING THE GLOVE.

48 Q:

YOU CAN'T RECALL?

49 A:

I DON'T RECALL.

50 Q:

BUT AFTER HE REQUESTED YOU TO GO TO BRING HIM THE GLOVE -- THAT IS WHAT HE REQUESTED? HE REQUESTED THAT -- HE SAID HE WANTED TO SEE THE GLOVE FROM ROCKINGHAM?

51 A:

YES.

52 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN HE SAID, "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GLOVE FROM ROCKINGHAM," DID YOU SAY TO HIM, "DETECTIVE LANGE, WHY DON'T YOU COME SEE IT IN THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK"?

53 A:

I TOLD HIM THAT I -- ONCE I BROUGHT THE GLOVE TO HIM THAT --

54 Q:

NO, NO. I'M ASKING AT THE MOMENT HE CAME AND MADE THIS REQUEST TO YOU DID YOU SAY TO HIM --

55 MR. GOLDBERG:

WAIT A MINUTE. THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION. LET THE WITNESS ANSWER THE QUESTION.

56 MR. SCHECK:

NO, I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

57 THE COURT:

REASK THE QUESTION.

58 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: AT THE TIME THAT DETECTIVE LANGE CAME TO YOU AND ASKED YOU TO SHOW HIM THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE, DID YOU SAY TO HIM, "DETECTIVE LANGE, WHY DON'T YOU COME SEE IT AT THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK, IT IS NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA FOR ME TO BRING THIS GLOVE FROM ROCKINGHAM INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE"?

59 A:

I DIDN'T SAY THAT TO HIM.

60 Q:

DID YOU SAY WORDS TO THAT EFFECT?

61 A:

WHEN HE WANTED ME TO REMOVE OR -- WANTED TO GET A BETTER LOOK AT THE GLOVE FROM ROCKINGHAM, I TOLD HIM TO -- THAT I WOULD NOT REMOVE THE GLOVE FROM THE BAG, IT WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN IN THE BAG, AND IF HE WANTED TO SEE A BETTER LOOK OF IT, THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO SEE IT IN THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK.

62 Q:

WELL, AT THE MOMENT THAT HE ASKED YOU TO GO SHOW HIM THE GLOVE AND BRING IT BACK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE CRIME SCENE, YOU KNEW THAT WAS NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA, DIDN'T YOU?

63 A:

I KNEW THAT --

64 MR. GOLDBERG:

IT IS VAGUE AS TO "VERY GOOD IDEA."

65 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

66 DENNIS FUNG:

I KNEW THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THE EVIDENCE.

67 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: MR. FUNG, YOU KNEW IT WAS NOT A VERY SENSIBLE REQUEST, DIDN'T YOU?

68 MR. GOLDBERG:

IT IS VAGUE AS TO WHICH REQUEST.

69 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

70 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: MR. FUNG, WHEN DETECTIVE LANGE REQUESTED THAT YOU BRING THE GLOVE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE TO SHOW IT TO HIM, YOU HAD CONCERNS THAT THERE WAS A TERRIBLE DANGER OF CROSS-CONTAMINATION?

71 A:

I KNEW THERE WAS A DANGER FOR CROSS-CONTAMINATION, YES.

KEY QUOTE
72 Q:

AND YOU KNEW WHEN HE MADE THAT REQUEST OF YOU THAT THAT REQUEST WAS A BASIC VIOLATION OF SOUND CRIME SCENE PROCEDURES?

73 A:

I KNEW THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN -- WITH THE GLOVE WHEN I BROUGHT IT TO HIM, YES.

74 Q:

WELL, WHEN HE MADE THAT REQUEST TO YOU, DIDN'T YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, IT IS FOOLISH TO EVEN TAKE A CHANCE IN BRINGING THAT GLOVE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE?

75 A:

HE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR -- AT THAT POINT FOR HIS INVESTIGATION.

76 Q:

WELL, BUT YOU THOUGHT WHEN HE MADE THAT REQUEST TO YOU THAT IT WASN'T A SENSIBLE REQUEST?

77 A:

AGAIN, AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, I KNEW I WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE EVIDENCE.

78 Q:

NO. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS A SIMPLE ONE, SIR. WHEN HE MADE THAT REQUEST TO YOU, YOU KNEW IT WAS NOT A SENSIBLE REQUEST?

79 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME THAT IS ARGUMENTATIVE.

80 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

81 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU THINK AT THE MOMENT THAT HE MADE THAT REQUEST TO YOU IT WAS CREATING A RISK OF UNNECESSARY -- AN UNNECESSARY RISK OF CONTAMINATION?

82 MR. GOLDBERG:

SAME OBJECTION.

83 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

84 DENNIS FUNG:

I KNEW THERE WAS A RISK, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIM AT THAT TIME TO FURTHER HIS INVESTIGATION.

85 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: WELL, WHEN HE MADE THAT REQUEST TO YOU DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY RISK TO TAKE, THAT HE COULD HAVE JUST COME BACK RIGHT TO THE TRUCK AND SEE IT?

86 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, THIS HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.

87 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

88 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: MR. FUNG, WERE YOU IN ANY WAY FEARFUL OF QUESTIONING DETECTIVE LANGE'S JUDGMENT WHEN HE ASKED YOU TO BRING THAT ROCKINGHAM GLOVE RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE?

89 A:

I WAS NOT FEARFUL OF HIM, NO.

90 Q:

WERE YOU IN ANY WAY INTIMIDATED BY HIM?

91 A:

NO.

92 Q:

WERE YOU IN ANY WAY RELUCTANT TO QUESTION HIS JUDGMENT EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVED IT WAS NOT -- IT WAS A DANGEROUS REQUEST?

93 A:

I DID HAVE SOME CONCERN AND I TOOK WHAT I FELT WAS -- I DREW A LINE WHERE I WOULD NOT TAKE THE BAG OR TAKE THE GLOVE OUT OF THE BAG FOR HIM.

94 Q:

WELL, AT THE MOMENT HE MADE THE REQUEST TO YOU, YOU ARE NOW TELLING US THAT YOU HAD CONCERNS?

95 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE IT IS THE SAME --

96 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

97 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU SAY YOU HAD CONCERNS AT THE MOMENT HE MADE THE REQUEST TO YOU?

98 MR. GOLDBERG:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. IT HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.

99 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

100 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS TO DETECTIVE LANGE AT THE MOMENT THAT HE ASKED YOU TO GO TO THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK AND BRING THE GLOVE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE?

101 MR. GOLDBERG:

SAME OBJECTION.

102 THE COURT:

OVERRULED. DIFFERENT QUESTION.

103 DENNIS FUNG:

I'M NOT SURE IF I DID; I MAY HAVE.

104 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: YOU MAY HAVE?

105 A:

I DON'T KNOW IF I DID.

106 Q:

NOW, YOU BROUGHT THE GLOVE -- HOW DID YOU GET WITH THE -- THAT BAG THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND, THAT IS THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE?

107 A:

THE GLOVE WAS IN THAT BAG, YES.

108 Q:

WELL, HOW DID YOU COME -- NOT JUST TO TAKE THE GLOVE FROM THE TRUCK TO THE AREA OF -- OF IN FRONT OF THE STEPS, BUT ALL THE WAY IN BACK, ALL THE WAY INTO THAT CAGED-IN AREA? HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT?

109 A:

I DON'T EXACT -- I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ROUTE THAT I TOOK. I PROBABLY CAME IN THROUGH THE SAME WAY I CAME IN OR EXITED.

110 Q:

MR. FUNG, DID YOU EVER COLLECT A PAGER IN THE CAGED-IN AREA?

111 A:

YES.

112 Q:

COULD YOU HAVE -- COULD THAT SHOT WITH YOU WITH THE BAG IN YOUR HAND BE OF THE PAGER IN THE BAG?

113 A:

NO.

114 Q:

NO? YOU HAVE A DISTINCT RECOLLECTION THAT YOU ACTUALLY TOOK THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE IN A BAG, WALKED INTO THE CRIME SCENE AREA, WENT INTO THE CAGED-IN AREA AND THEN WERE COMING OUT AS WE SEE DEPICTED IN THIS SHOT WITH THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE IN THE BAG?

115 A:

YES.

116 Q:

UMM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT BEFORE YOU CAME HERE DETECTIVE LANGE TESTIFIED THAT IT WAS THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE IN THAT BAG?

117 MR. GOLDBERG:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, THAT IS IRRELEVANT.

118 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

119 DENNIS FUNG:

I --

120 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

121 MR. SCHECK:

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT.

122 DENNIS FUNG:

SORRY.

123 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: NOW, YOU ARE NOT WEARING GLOVES IN THAT PICTURE?

124 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

125 Q:

SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US, IS THAT WHEN DETECTIVE LANGE MADE THIS REQUEST TO YOU, YOU RESOLVED IN YOUR OWN MIND, ALL RIGHT, I KNOW IT IS DANGEROUS, BUT I WILL BRING THE GLOVE INTO THE AREA OF THE CRIME SCENE, BUT I WON'T OPEN IT UP FOR HIM?

126 A:

BUT I WON'T TAKE THE GLOVE OUT OF THE BAG.

127 Q:

WON'T TAKE THE GLOVE OUT OF THE BAG?

128 A:

YES.

129 Q:

HAD YOU RESOLVED IN YOUR OWN MIND WHETHER YOU WOULD EVEN OPEN IT?

130 A:

I WOULD HAVE OPENED IT UP.

131 Q:

YOU WOULD HAVE OPENED IT UP?

132 A:

YES.

133 Q:

DID YOU OPEN IT UP WHILE YOU WERE IN THE CRIME SCENE, HAVE HIM LOOK?

134 A:

I DON'T THINK SO.

135 Q:

WELL, ANOTHER THING ABOUT TRACE EVIDENCE IS THAT SOMETIMES IT BECOMES AIRBORNE?

136 A:

SOMETIMES.

137 Q:

HAIRS AND FIBERS THAT MAY GET ON CLOTHING OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GATHERING EVIDENCE CAN BECOME AIRBORNE? THAT IS HOW THE TRANSFER OCCURS, RIGHT?

138 A:

THEORETICALLY, YES.

139 Q:

AND WEREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT OPENING UP THE BAG WITH THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE IN THE SAME AREA WHERE PEOPLE WERE MILLING AROUND GATHERING AND HANDLING THE EVIDENCE AT THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE?

140 MR. GOLDBERG:

OBJECTION. ASSUMES A FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE ABOUT "MILLING."

141 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

142 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: ALL RIGHT. WEREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING THE BAG WITH THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE AND OPENING IT UP WHILE EVIDENCE COLLECTORS WERE IN THE AREA?

143 A:

I WAS -- MISS MAZZOLA AND I WERE THE EVIDENCE COLLECTORS.

144 Q:

WELL, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THERE FROM THE CORONER'S OFFICE WHO WERE IN THE AREA WHEN YOU MIGHT HAVE OPENED UP THAT BAG, RIGHT?

145 A:

THEY WERE THERE TO PROCESS THE BODIES.

146 Q:

WELL, REGARDLESS OF THEIR PURPOSE, THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE TRACE EVIDENCE ON THEIR CLOTHING WHICH COULD BECOME AIRBORNE?

147 A:

TRACE EVIDENCE IS USUALLY MADE THROUGH CONTACT, SUCH AS RUBBING ONE ITEM AGAINST ANOTHER. I -- I'M NOT -- IT CAN HAPPEN THROUGH AIRBORNE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE USUAL WAY FOR --

148 Q:

WELL --

149 A:

-- THAT TYPE OF EVIDENCE TO BE DONE.

150 Q:

YOU ARE SAYING IN YOUR EXPERIENCE AND BASED ON YOUR EXPERTISE AND KNOWLEDGE IT IS NOT A CONCERN OF YOURS THAT THESE HAIRS AND FIBERS COULD BE -- THAT HAIRS AND FIBERS CAN BE TRANSFERRED OFF PEOPLE'S CLOTHING WHEN THEY ARE MOVING AROUND AND FALL ONTO OTHER AREAS?

151 A:

IT CAN HAPPEN, YES.

152 Q:

AND DETECTIVE FUNG, WEREN'T YOU --

153 MR. GOLDBERG:

WAIT A MINUTE.

154 THE COURT:

RESTATE THE QUESTION.

155 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DETECTIVE -- DETECTIVE -- I'M SORRY. MR. FUNG, WEREN'T YOU SERIOUSLY CONCERNED THAT IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY RISK TO OPEN UP THAT BAG CONTAINING THE ROCKINGHAM GLOVE IN THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE TO GIVE DETECTIVE LANGE A LOOK?

156 A:

I DID HAVE MY CONCERNS AND I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO BE CAREFUL IF I DID HAVE TO OPEN UP THE BAG.

157 Q:

WELL, YOU ARE TELLING US NOW -- IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY YOU CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT YOU OPENED UP THE BAG?

158 A:

TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION I DID NOT OPEN UP THE BAG.

159 Q:

WELL, YOU ARE NOW MORE CERTAIN OF THAT ANSWER THAN YOU WERE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO?

160 MR. GOLDBERG:

ARGUMENTATIVE, YOUR HONOR.

161 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

162 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DIDN'T YOU TELL US JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO YOU DON'T RECALL WHETHER OR NOT YOU OPENED UP THE BAG TO HAVE DETECTIVE LANGE LOOK INTO IT?

163 A:

I'M NOT SURE.

164 Q:

YOU ARE NOT SURE?

165 A:

I'M NOT SURE.

166 Q:

IT IS FAIR ENOUGH TO SAY, ISN'T IT, THAT IF YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE?

167 A:

I WOULDN'T CALL IT A MISTAKE, NO.

168 Q:

WELL, WOULDN'T THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE DOING AGAINST YOUR BETTER JUDGMENT AT THE REQUEST OF DETECTIVE LANGE?

169 A:

IDEALLY THE GLOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT AT THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK, YES.

KEY QUOTE
170 Q:

AND ISN'T IT TRUE, SIR, THAT YOU WERE RELUCTANT TO JUST TELL DETECTIVE LANGE, LOOK, I'M NOT BRINGING IT TO THE SCENE, COME LOOK AT IT AT THE TRUCK?

171 MR. GOLDBERG:

THAT IS IRRELEVANT, YOUR HONOR.

172 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

173 DENNIS FUNG:

I DON'T THINK I WAS RELUCTANT, NO.

174 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: YOU HAD NO -- AND AT THAT BUNDY CRIME SCENE DID YOU AT ANY POINT HAVE RELUCTANCE TO QUESTION DETECTIVE LANGE'S JUDGMENT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF GATHERING EVIDENCE?

175 A:

DID I HAVE -- YES. YES, I DID.

176 Q:

YOU WERE RELUCTANT TO QUESTION HIS JUDGMENT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF GATHERING EVIDENCE?

177 A:

I DID QUESTION HIS JUDGMENT.

178 Q:

YOU DID QUESTION HIS JUDGMENT? COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT WHEN AND HOW YOU QUESTIONED HIS JUDGMENT?

179 A:

NO. I -- THERE WERE -- THERE WERE -- THERE ARE -- YOU ALWAYS SECOND GUESS SOMEBODY WHEN YOU ARE GOING INTO A CAME SCENE, SAY, HUM, WAS THIS DONE, WAS THAT DONE, AND YOU ASK THEM WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT WASN'T DONE.

180 Q:

ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL US WHICH QUESTIONS YOU ASKED DETECTIVE LANGE THAT IN YOUR TERMS WERE SECOND GUESSES?

181 A:

I ASKED HIM IF HE HAD LOOKED FOR SHOEPRINTS IN THE DIRT AREA.

182 Q:

AND HE TOLD YOU HE HADN'T?

183 A:

HE TOLD ME HE HAD LOOKED FOR THEM BUT DID NOT FIND ANY.

184 Q:

WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE QUESTIONING -- THESE ARE MATTERS WHERE YOU WERE QUESTIONING HIS JUDGMENT, RIGHT?

185 A:

WELL, I ASKED HIM -- THESE WERE THINGS I ASKED HIM ABOUT.

186 MR. GOLDBERG:

THAT --

187 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: I'M ASKING YOU FOR THINGS WHERE YOU WERE QUESTIONING HIS JUDGMENT. TELL US ABOUT SECOND GUESSES YOU MADE OF DETECTIVE LANGE.

188 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, I WOULD ASK THAT THE WITNESS BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE HIS ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION.

189 THE COURT:

HAD YOU FINISHED YOUR ANSWER, MR. FUNG?

190 DENNIS FUNG:

I FORGOT THE FIRST QUESTION.

191 MR. SCHECK:

ALL RIGHT.

192 THE COURT:

REASK THE QUESTION.

193 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: MAYBE WE COULD -- NOW, IN THIS FRAME DO YOU RECALL WHERE YOU ARE STEPPING?

194 A:

NOT EXACTLY, NO.

195 Q:

DID YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS OUT ON THE -- FOR SUPPORT ON THE GATE?

196 A:

NO.

197 Q:

WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE, AS YOU ARE WALKING WITH YOUR HEAD DOWN, THE POSITION OF THE GLOVE AND THE HAT?

198 A:

I WAS LOOKING WHERE I WAS STEPPING, YES.

199 Q:

AND YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE GLOVE AND THE HAT?

200 A:

I DON'T RECALL IF I WAS -- WHAT EXACTLY I WAS SEEING AT THAT POINT.

201 Q:

WELL, IN THAT AREA WAS THERE NOT A GLOVE AND THE HAT AND THE ENVELOPE THAT CONTAINED THE PRESCRIPTION GLASSES?

202 A:

YES.

203 Q:

AND I TAKE IT THAT THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT WE LOOKED AT EARLIER WAS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN?

204 A:

AGAIN, FROM THIS VIDEO I CAN'T -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SEEING AT THIS POINT.

205 Q:

OKAY. OTHER THAN -- SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE LOOKING DOWN AT THOSE OBJECTS AT THAT TIME?

206 A:

NO, I DON'T.

207 MR. SCHECK:

MAYBE WE CAN --

208 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, BEFORE WE DO THAT, PERHAPS THE FRAME NUMBER SHOULD BE PUT ON THE RECORD.

209 THE COURT:

WE DID THAT.

210 MR. GOLDBERG:

OH, IT WAS DONE? THIS ONE? OKAY.

211 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)
212 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: NOW, WHERE ARE YOU GOING THERE, DO YOU RECALL?

213 A:

I BELIEVE I WAS PUTTING THE -- OR BRINGING THE GLOVE BACK TO THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK.

214 Q:

AND WHERE IS DETECTIVE LANGE NOW?

215 A:

HE IS STILL BACK AT THE -- IN THE CAGE AREA.

216 Q:

AND DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE IS STANDING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ENVELOPE AND THE GLOVE, AS BEST YOU CAN SEE IT?

217 A:

NO, I DON'T KNOW.

218 Q:

WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW, SIR?

219 A:

I'M STANDING BY.

220 Q:

DO YOU RECALL THIS MOMENT, OTHER THAN JUST SEEING IT HERE IN THE VIDEO?

221 A:

NO.

222 Q:

AND YOU ARE NOW WIPING -- YOU JUST WIPED SWEAT FROM YOUR BROW AND WERE GRASPING YOUR GLASSES; IS THAT CORRECT?

223 A:

YES.

224 Q:

NOW, DO YOU RECALL WHETHER PHOTOGRAPHS WERE BEING TAKEN NOW OF MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY, VARIOUS PARTS OF IT?

225 A:

I DON'T RECALL.

226 Q:

DID YOU OBSERVE ANY OF THAT PROCESS WITH RESPECT TO EITHER MR. GOLDMAN OR MISS SIMPSON?

227 A:

I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT, NO.

228 Q:

YOU DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT DONE AT ALL?

229 A:

I DON'T RECALL SEEING ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHS BEING TAKEN. I KNOW THE PHOTOGRAPHER WAS PRESENT.

230 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, I -- YOU ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND WERE LAUGHING WITH A FEW GENTLEMEN THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT? DO YOU RECALL?

231 A:

NO, I DON'T.

232 Q:

AND THAT MAN IN THE RED HAIR IN THE BLUE BLAZER, THAT IS CHIEF FORENSIC CHEMIST JOHNSON; IS THAT CORRECT?

233 A:

YES.

234 Q:

AND AT THE TIME THAT MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY BEING MOVED OUT AND DETECTIVE LANGE IS WALKING THROUGH THE SCENE, YOU ARE LOOKING BACK, DO YOU RECALL SEEING THE LOCATION OF THE ENVELOPE, THE GLOVE AND THE HAT?

235 A:

NO, I DON'T.

236 Q:

OKAY. NOW, YOU SEE DETECTIVE LANGE WALKING BACK THROUGH AS THE BODY IS BEING TAKEN AWAY. I THINK WE CAN CUT IT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HARRIS. NOW, DO YOU KNOW -- HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM "CLOSE-IN CRIME SCENE"?

237 A:

CLOSE-IN CRIME SCENE?

238 Q:

YES.

239 A:

NO.

240 Q:

WELL, DID YOU EVER HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH DETECTIVE LANGE AS TO HIS APPROACH TO GATHERING EVIDENCE AT THIS BUNDY CRIME SCENE ON THE MORNING OF JUNE 13TH?

241 A:

I DON'T UNDERSTAND QUITE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT.

242 Q:

WELL, WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE SCENE, YOU HAD A DISCUSSION WITH DETECTIVE LANGE ABOUT THE CRIME SCENE AND HOW TO PROCEED?

243 A:

HE GAVE ME A BRIEFING AS TO THE TYPE OF EVIDENCE THAT HE WANTED COLLECTED AND WHAT HE FELT WAS IMPORTANT AND WHAT AREAS WERE PRESERVED, YES.

244 Q:

DID HE EVER EXPRESS THE VIEW TO YOU THAT THIS WAS A CLOSE-IN CRIME SCENE WHERE EVIDENCE WAS CLOSE TO THE VICTIMS AND THAT HE HAD MADE A DETERMINATION FOR THAT REASON TO REMOVE THE VICTIMS PRIOR TO COLLECTING THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE EVIDENCE AND THE VICTIMS WERE CLOSE TO EACH OTHER?

245 A:

I DON'T HAVE -- I DON'T THINK HE EVER USED THAT TERM, "CLOSE-IN CRIME SCENE" TO ME.

246 Q:

WELL, DID HE EVER EXPRESS THE VIEW TO YOU THAT THE REASON THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THE BODY BEFORE COLLECTING THE EVIDENCE IS THAT THIS WAS A CLOSE-IN CRIME SCENE OR THIS WAS A CRIME SCENE WHERE SINCE THE BODIES OF THE VICTIMS AND THE EVIDENCE WERE CLOSE TOGETHER, IT WAS SENSIBLE TO REMOVE THE BODIES BEFORE COLLECTING THE EVIDENCE?

247 MR. GOLDBERG:

OBJECTION, IRRELEVANT. CALLS FOR HEARSAY.

248 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

249 DENNIS FUNG:

COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN, PLEASE?

250 MR. SCHECK:

SURE.

251 Q:

DID DETECTIVE LANGE EVER EXPRESS THE VIEW TO YOU THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THIS CRIME SCENE TO REMOVE THE VICTIMS PRIOR TO THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE, UMM, THE EVIDENCE WAS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE BODIES OF THE VICTIMS?

252 A:

HE DID NOT EXPRESS THAT TO ME AT THE CRIME SCENE.

253 Q:

AT SOME SUBSEQUENT TIME DID HE EXPRESS THAT VIEW TO YOU?

254 A:

YES.

255 Q:

AND WHEN WAS THAT?

256 A:

THAT WAS MAYBE TWO -- A WEEK OR TWO LATER.

257 Q:

AND THAT WAS ON AN OCCASION WHEN YOU WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH HIM AS TO HOW HE PROCESSED THE CRIME SCENE?

258 A:

YES.

259 Q:

AND ON THAT OCCASION DID YOU EXPRESS THE VIEW TO HIM THAT IT WAS EXTREMELY FOOLISH TO REMOVE THE BODIES OF THE VICTIMS AND DRAG IT THROUGH THE EVIDENCE AT THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE BEFORE THE EVIDENCE WAS COLLECTED?

260 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR --

261 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

262 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU EXPRESS THE VIEW TO DETECTIVE LANGE THAT IN YOUR JUDGMENT AS A CRIMINALIST THE EVIDENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN COLLECTED BEFORE THE BODIES WERE REMOVED PRECISELY BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE WERE CLOSE TO THE BODIES?

263 A:

I NEVER -- I NEVER SAID THAT TO HIM, NO.

264 Q:

DID YOU SAY ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT TO HIM?

265 A:

I DON'T RECALL IF I DID OR NOT.

266 Q:

NOW, IN YOUR OPINION AS A CRIMINALIST, MR. FUNG, ISN'T IT JUST BASIC FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT WHEN THE EVIDENCE ARE CLOSE TO THE BODIES THAT IT IS BETTER FOR THE CRIMINALIST TO COLLECT IT, PHOTOGRAPH IT, DOCUMENT IT, BEFORE YOU REMOVE THE BODIES?

267 A:

THERE ARE VERY -- THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO PROCESS A CRIME SCENE AND I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTORS THAT WENT INTO DETECTIVE LANGE'S DECISION.

268 Q:

WELL, WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE BUNDY CRIME SCENE AND HAD A DISCUSSION WITH DETECTIVE LANGE, WEREN'T YOU AT ALL CONCERNED THAT THE BODIES WERE BEING REMOVED WHEN THEY WERE IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO COLLECT?

269 A:

YES.

270 Q:

NOW, WE JUST SAW A PICTURE WHERE YOU ARE STANDING THERE WITH CHIEF FORENSIC CHEMIST STEVEN JOHNSON?

271 A:

YES.

272 Q:

HE IS ONE OF YOUR SUPERVISORS?

273 A:

YES.

274 Q:

AND YOU WERE STANDING THERE WITH OTHER DETECTIVES?

275 A:

YES.

276 Q:

AND YOU WERE STANDING AROUND THIS CRIME SCENE WHILE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS BEING REMOVED FROM THE SOIL CAGED-IN AREA?

277 A:

YES.

278 Q:

AND THAT OPENING BETWEEN THE GATE AND THE BEGINNING OF THE CONCRETE STAIRWELL IS ABOUT THIRTY INCHES, ISN'T IT?

279 A:

APPROXIMATELY.

280 Q:

AND DIDN'T YOU HAVE PROFOUND CONCERNS THAT IN MOVING MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY THROUGH THAT AREA THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE -- THEY WERE GOING TO ALTER THE CONDITION OF THE GLOVE AND THE HAT AND THE ENVELOPE THAT WAS RIGHT AGAINST THE TILE?

281 MR. GOLDBERG:

ARGUMENTATIVE AS TO PROFOUNDLY CONCERNED.

282 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

283 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN?

284 THE COURT:

COUNSEL, WHEN I SPEAK AND RULE ON AN OBJECTION, JUST FOR THE RECORD LET ME FINISH BEFORE YOU LAUNCH INTO THE NEXT QUESTION.

285 MR. SCHECK:

MY APOLOGIES, YOUR HONOR.

286 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. THE TERM IS VAGUE.

287 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN THAT WHEN MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN THROUGH THIS THIRTY-INCH AREA THAT IT COULD DISTURB, ALTER THE PRESCRIPTION ENVELOPE, THE GLOVE AND THE KNIT HAT.

288 MR. GOLDBERG:

IT IS VAGUE AS TO "DISTURB, ALTER."

289 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

290 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.)
291 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MR. SCHECK, I'M SORRY, I NEED TO INTERRUPT YOU JUST FOR A MOMENT. WE NEED TO TAKE A BRIEF COMFORT BREAK.

292 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
293 THE COURT:

MEMBERS OF THE JURY, IF YOU WANT TO STAND AND STRETCH A BIT, GO AHEAD.

294 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
295 THE COURT:

AUDIENCE AS WELL.

296 (BRIEF PAUSE.)
297 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MR. SCHECK.

298 MR. SCHECK:

THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, COULD THE LAST QUESTION BE READ BACK? I'M SORRY.

299 THE COURT:

THE LAST QUESTION WAS DID YOU HAVE CONCERN THAT WHEN MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN THROUGH THE THIRTY-INCH AREA THAT IT COULD DISTURB OR ALTER THE ENVELOPE CONTAINING THE PRESCRIPTION EYEGLASSES, THE GLOVE AND THE KNIT HAT?

300 DENNIS FUNG:

I DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONCERNED BECAUSE MR. GOLDMAN WAS MOVED BY THE TIME I GOT BACK FROM THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK.

301 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: BUT WHEN YOU ARRIVED MR. GOLDMAN HADN'T BEEN MOVED?

302 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

303 Q:

DID YOU EXPRESS CONCERN TO DETECTIVE LANGE, WELL, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T MOVE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY OR THE BODY OF THE SECOND VICTIM THERE THROUGH THIS THIRTY-INCH AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE GLOVE, THE ENVELOPE AND THE HAT?

304 A:

I DON'T BELIEVE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH DETECTIVE LANGE BEFORE THAT POINT.

305 Q:

WELL, DON'T YOU THINK THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO TELL HIM?

306 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, IT IS IRRELEVANT.

307 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

308 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU THINK AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS A MATTER THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION?

309 MR. GOLDBERG:

IRRELEVANT.

310 THE COURT:

THAT IS OVERRULED.

311 DENNIS FUNG:

I HAD NO IDEA HE WAS GOING TO MOVE MR. GOLDMAN.

312 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: WELL, WERE YOU SHOCKED THAT HE DIRECTED THE CORONERS OR PERMITTED THE CORONERS TO MOVE MR. GOLDMAN THROUGH THAT EVIDENCE?

313 MR. GOLDBERG:

ARGUMENTATIVE, IRRELEVANT.

314 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

315 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: WERE YOU SURPRISED?

316 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

317 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: WERE YOU CONCERNED WHEN YOU SAW THAT HE HAD PERMITTED THE CORONERS OR DIRECTED THEM TO MOVE MR. GOLDMAN'S BODY THROUGH THAT EVIDENCE?

318 MR. GOLDBERG:

SAME OBJECTION.

319 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

320 DENNIS FUNG:

I WAS CONCERNED, YES.

KEY QUOTE
321 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID YOU EXPRESS THAT CONCERN TO CHIEF FORENSIC CHEMIST STEVE JOHNSON WHO WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE?

322 MR. GOLDBERG:

IRRELEVANT.

323 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

324 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: DID CHIEF FORENSIC CHEMIST JOHNSON, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, SAY ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT IT?

325 A:

NO.

326 Q:

DID YOU SAY ANYTHING TO HIM ABOUT IT?

327 A:

YES, I DID.

328 Q:

WHAT DID YOU SAY?

329 A:

I SAID -- I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE MOVING OF THE BODIES.

330 Q:

YOU EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THAT WAS A BAD IDEA?

331 A:

I EXPRESSED TO HIM THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, YES.

332 Q:

AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE HE NEVER DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

333 MR. GOLDBERG:

IRRELEVANT.

334 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

335 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE DID HE DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

336 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, IT IS IRRELEVANT.

337 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

338 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: NOW, ONE OF THE, UMM -- LET'S START THIS WAY: YOUR HONOR, I HAVE CUED UP TWO PICTURES THAT I HAVE SHOWN TO THE PROSECUTOR OF THE GLOVE AND I WOULD LIKE WITH THE COURT'S PERMISSION TO SHOW THEM TO THE WITNESS.

339 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

340 MR. SCHECK:

AND TO THE JURY.

341 MR. SCHECK:

CAN WE GET THAT ON THE SCREEN?

342 Q:

MR. FUNG, AS I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE, TO THE LEFT IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE GLOVE AND THE HAT WITH AN EVIDENCE TAG THAT SAYS "102," CORRECT?

343 A:

I CAN'T MAKE OUT THE HAT FROM THE -- FROM THE SCREEN, BUT I DO SEE THE GLOVE.

344 Q:

YOU SEE THE GLOVE. LOOK CAREFULLY, THE CORNER?

345 A:

ON THE RIGHT I SEE A VERY DARK AREA NEXT TO THE GLOVE. I CAN'T MAKE IT OUT AS A HAT, THOUGH.

346 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND TO THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT, WITH THE PICTURE OF THE FINGER POINTING AT THE GLOVE, DO YOU SEE THAT?

347 A:

YES.

348 Q:

YOU HAVE SEEN THAT PICTURE BEFORE, CORRECT?

349 A:

TODAY, YES.

350 Q:

ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY PICTURE LIKE THAT BEFORE WITH A FINGER POINTING AT THE GLOVE, PERHAPS ON THE GRAND JURY?

351 A:

PERHAPS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT.

352 Q:

WELL, AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO COMING INTO THIS COURTROOM HAVE YOU SEEN THAT PICTURE -- A PICTURE LIKE THAT DEPICTING THE GLOVE IN THAT POSITION?

353 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS AND IT IS IRRELEVANT.

354 THE COURT:

WE HAVE. WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS.

355 MR. SCHECK:

ALL RIGHT.

356 THE COURT:

HE HAS IDENTIFIED WHAT IT IS.

357 MR. SCHECK:

OKAY.

358 Q:

MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, IS ISN'T IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THE ONE WITH THE FINGER POINTING AT THE GLOVE, THE GLOVE IS IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN THE ONE TO THE LEFT?

359 A:

YES.

360 Q:

THE GLOVE HAS BEEN TURNED AROUND COMPLETELY, HASN'T IT?

361 A:

IT IS IN A DIFFERENT POSITION, YES.

362 Q:

WELL, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCES?

363 MR. GOLDBERG:

YOUR HONOR, THIS VIOLATES THE BEST EVIDENCE RULE. THE PICTURE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

364 THE COURT:

OVERRULED. IF YOU CAN TELL.

365 DENNIS FUNG:

ON THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THE OPENING OR WRIST PORTION APPEARS TO BE TOWARDS THE PAVEMENT AND IN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT THE GLOVE IS IN A DIFFERENT POSITION WITH THE WRIST IN ANOTHER ORIENTATION.

KEY QUOTE
366 Q:

BY MR. SCHECK: AND THERE IS SOME DEBRIS --

Temperature

devastating

Key Quotes (4)

Dennis Fung
I KNEW THERE WAS A DANGER FOR CROSS-CONTAMINATION, YES.
Fung concedes he recognized the risk before complying with Lange's request to bring the Rockingham glove into the crime scene — establishing he did not act out of ignorance but out of deference.
Dennis Fung
IDEALLY THE GLOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT AT THE CRIME SCENE TRUCK, YES.
Fung admits proper procedure — directly undermining his repeated earlier claim that he was simply 'being careful.'
Dennis Fung
I WAS CONCERNED, YES.
Fung acknowledges concern when Goldman's body was moved through the evidence area — but he expressed it only to a supervisor standing nearby, not to Lange, and nothing was done.
Dennis Fung
ON THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THE OPENING OR WRIST PORTION APPEARS TO BE TOWARDS THE PAVEMENT AND IN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT THE GLOVE IS IN A DIFFERENT POSITION WITH THE WRIST IN ANOTHER ORIENTATION.
Fung confirms from two crime scene photographs that the Bundy glove had been repositioned — raising the question of who moved it and when.

Evidence (5)

Item 102
Bundy crime scene glove (left-hand glove found near Goldman's body)
Two crime scene photographs shown to jury — one with evidence tag '102,' one with a finger pointing at the glove — establishing the glove was repositioned between images
Informal
Rockingham glove (right-hand glove recovered from OJ Simpson's estate)
Discussed — Fung admits he carried it in a bag into the Bundy crime scene at Lange's request, knowing it created cross-contamination risk
Informal
Knit cap found at Bundy crime scene
Referenced as evidence near Goldman's body that could have been disturbed by body removal through the thirty-inch passage
Informal
Prescription eyeglasses envelope found at Bundy crime scene
Referenced as evidence near Goldman's body at risk from body removal
Informal
Crime scene video footage
Played during examination — specific frames showing Fung walking through the caged area with the bag, Fung wiping sweat from his brow, and Fung laughing with Chief Forensic Chemist Johnson while Goldman's body was being removed

Notable Exchanges (4)

Barry ScheckDennis Fung
Scheck repeatedly presses Fung to characterize Lange's glove request as a 'mistake' or 'not sensible.' Fung resists each framing but keeps conceding ground — ultimately admitting it was dangerous and 'ideally' should not have happened — while insisting he would 'be careful.'
grinding
Barry ScheckDennis Fung
Fung reveals he expressed concern to Chief Forensic Chemist Steven Johnson — who was standing right there at the scene — about moving Goldman's body through the evidence. Scheck then establishes Johnson apparently did nothing about it, though that line of questioning is shut down by sustained objections.
revealing
Barry ScheckDennis Fung
Fung's recollection of whether he opened the evidence bag containing the Rockingham glove inside the crime scene shifts during testimony: first 'I don't think so,' then 'I'm not sure' when Scheck notes the inconsistency with his earlier statement that he would have been willing to open it.
damaging
Barry ScheckDennis Fung
Scheck presents two photographs of the Bundy glove and Fung confirms they show the glove in different orientations — the wrist portion has rotated. Scheck asks if it has been 'turned around completely'; Fung says only 'it is in a different position.'
strategic

Light Moments (2)

Barry Scheck
Scheck accidentally calls Fung 'Detective Fung' twice before catching himself — a slip that momentarily muddies his own line of attack about police hierarchy.
Dennis Fung
Crime scene video shows Fung laughing and chatting with Chief Forensic Chemist Johnson and detectives while Goldman's body was being removed. Scheck asks what they were laughing about; Fung says he does not recall.

Credibility Attacks (3)

⚔ Dennis Fung
prior inconsistent statement / shifting recollection
Fung's account of whether he opened the Rockingham glove bag inside the Bundy crime scene shifts during testimony from 'I don't think so' to 'I'm not sure,' after having earlier stated he would have been willing to open it for Lange.
⚔ Dennis Fung
deference to authority / failure to exercise independent professional judgment
Scheck establishes that Fung recognized the cross-contamination risk of Lange's glove request, knew the body removal before evidence collection was improper, yet complied in both cases — never asserting his authority as the trained criminalist on scene.
⚔ Tom Lange
conduct impeachment through Fung's testimony
Through Fung, Scheck establishes that Lange made two requests against proper evidence procedure: bringing the Rockingham glove into the active crime scene, and permitting the body to be removed before evidence was collected — with Fung's own concerns used to validate the criticism.

Witness Demeanor

Video footage shows Fung wiping sweat from his brow and grasping his glasses during evidence collection at the scene
Repeatedly uses hedged language throughout: 'I don't think so,' 'I'm not sure,' 'to the best of my recollection,' 'I may have'
Recollection about whether he opened the Rockingham glove bag inside the crime scene visibly shifts under questioning — a moment Scheck explicitly highlights
Fung at one point forgets the original question after a round of sustained objections and interruptions, telling the judge: 'I FORGOT THE FIRST QUESTION'

Objections

26 objections (16 sustained, 10 overruled)
Proceeding 5605 • 366 utterances • Prosecution witness
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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📂 APR 5, 1995 📄 Cross-examination of Dennis Fu
APR 5, 1995 KRT DvH TD