I submit many of the scenarios that were shown with left arm held under your chin, if that had been the way this happened, the perpetrator would have struck himself in the arm. But nevertheless, this stuff has limited value. Let me tell you folks, it has limited value. It's up to you to decide how much you want to put into this. There are only a few points here to talk about. One point I would make is that you notice Mr. Petrocelli keeps talking about this being a rage killing. That isn't what Dr. Spitz was seemingly describing; he was describing something very professional, very fast, knew what they were doing: Killed two people in one minute, 15 seconds. That's it. Gone. And he says -- and the reason he testifies that way is because they need to have a short -- a short event, okay, in my opinion. Now, what does he do? He comes in and he says that the cause of death for Ronald Goldman was the wound to the aorta and -- that's abdominal wound in the lower back, with the knife penetrating the aorta and the peritoneal sac -- and Mr. Goldman bleeding to death through internal bleeding in the space behind the retroperitoneal sac. Remember? Dr. Baden brought in the plastic bag that is similar to the peritoneal sac, which is very thin, cellophane-like, which contains the abdomen. And behind -- and the aorta runs right against it. And behind that is the retroperitoneal space. In doctors' terms, like we have lawyers' terms, we have a special language. And Dr. Spitz, his whole opinion is based on the fact that there were, I think -- I thought he said a quart, two quarts -- I forget the amount -- a lot of blood in the retroperitoneal space. And his evidence for that was this tissue picture. Do you have that handy? (Displaying on Elmo.
His only evidence for it was this piece of the aorta, which is a very small piece of tissue, which he never looked at. By the way, I don't believe all he had was this picture. This does not demonstrate that there was massive amounts of blood in the area where he described. And Dr. Golden, who was not brought here by the plaintiffs, could have been, if he -- if he disagreed -- if he agreed with Dr. Spitz, they could have bought Dr. Golden in here. In fact, Dr. Golden agreed with Dr. Baden; he didn't see any massive bleeding back there. His only evidence is this picture of tissue, period. That's it. That's all he has. The autopsy report describes that wound as one of the last wounds. In terms of sequence in their report, that's important. That's important. And why is this -- why is this important at all? It's important on the issue of the -- on the length of this event. Now, Dr. Baden -- and this chart, by the way, is exceedingly misleading, because where the knife area is, penetrates the aorta, and then penetrates the -- there's a space there. Would you point to that space down between the retroperitoneal sac and the aorta? Yeah. There is no space there in our body; it's right against it. It's right against it. So that when you cut through the aorta, you're going to make the same size cut into the abdomen. (Mr. Leonard indicated to board.)
There would be massive bleeding coming from that kind of wound if there was a lot of blood pumping through a person's body at the time that wound was made, and you would find a lot of blood in the and abdomen. There wasn't. There was one to 200 cc's. That was the whole point of that. There was not much blood in the abdomen. And there's no evidence of massive bleeding in the space behind that, as well. And what can you infer from that -- and Dr. Baden, you know, changed his times a couple of times about how long Mr. Goldman would be standing up. We can't tell. We don't have that. I think Mr. Petrocelli conceded that yesterday. We really we can't say. We can't say. All we can tell you is that there was a certain period of time, which Dr. Baden estimates as five to ten -- I think maybe he had gone up to -- appears five to ten minutes between the first wound to Mr. Goldman's neck and the last wound to the aorta. Could it be that the perpetrator or perpetrators, in a short struggle, inflicted all the wounds, started to leave one of them, come back, did the last wound? That's one inference you can draw from that. The importance of that evidence is the time of the event, not the time of the struggle. And we also note there's the issue about blood on the perpetrators, perpetrator. We know that there was blood transferred between the two victims. Remember? There were -- I believe it was 16 different transfers of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood getting on Ron Goldman's clothing and Ron Goldman's blood getting on Nicole Brown Simpson's clothing. What does that tell you? You can infer from that, that they had some contact; that they had some contact. That's one thing I can infer from that reasonably circumstantial evidence, that they had some contact during this struggle. Why is there no more screaming? Can one person do this? Can one person control these two people who, I submit to you, were interacting, without somebody screaming more? I think not. I think not. I think one of the persons had to have been restrained, or you would have heard evidence of from Heidstra and other people of more struggle.
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll give you a ten-minute recess. Don't talk about the case. Don't form or express any opinions. (Recess.) (Jurors resume their respective seats.)
Okay. Let me just correct one misimpression I may have given you. Obviously, there is significant controversy about the Bundy glove. All that happened after -- while I was gone at Christmas. We're not contesting that the right-hand glove, the Rockingham glove, was part of the murder, but there's now significant question whether what they brought here is the Bundy glove.
I think his gratuitous comments ought to be stricken. His opinions can be given to this jury when Mr. Petrocelli has an opportunity.
Can we go on guys? Bring me my tinker toys. You're going to guess what we're going to talk about next.
KEY QUOTENone of this stuff is in evidence. I guess if they're toys, I don't have any objection.
Killed two people in one minute, 15 seconds. That's it. Gone. And he says -- and the reason he testifies that way is because they need to have a short -- a short event, okay, in my opinion.
There were -- I believe it was 16 different transfers of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood getting on Ron Goldman's clothing and Ron Goldman's blood getting on Nicole Brown Simpson's clothing. What does that tell you? You can infer from that, that they had some contact.
Can one person do this? Can one person control these two people who, I submit to you, were interacting, without somebody screaming more? I think not. I think not.
Bring me my tinker toys. You're going to guess what we're going to talk about next.