And you got some telephone calls when you got back to LAPD about -- about your testimony here last week on December 8, didn't you?
You were told by various people that LAPD had a lot invested in the civil case for -- against Mr. Simpson, weren't you?
(BY MR. BAKER) Well, since you got off the stand on January 8, have you -- is it your testimony to this jury that you had absolutely no discussions with anyone at LAPD about your testimony on January 8 concerning the glove, sir?
You've had conversations with your bosses at LAPD about your testimony and that you had to fix it; isn't that true, sir?
(BY MR. BAKER) How many hours have you spent trying to come up with testimony in this courtroom today since January 8th, to cover the testimony you gave on January 8th?
How many times have you met with Mr. Lambert before you came on the stand today, after you left the stand on December 8th?
And the whole conversation that you had with Mr. Lambert, Mr. Matheson, is relative to your testimony on January 8th, correct?
Now, on January 8th, when you were on the witness stand, Mr. Fung, you didn't lie to this jury, did you?
You didn't miss -- you hadn't had all of this time with Mr. Lambert relative to the position you're now taking on the glove before you got on the witness stand on January 8, had you, sir?
(BY MR. BAKER) When you got on the witness stand on January 8, 1997, last week, you had not spent an hour, two hours, whatever the number is that you have just recently spent with Mr. Lambert on the glove, correct; you had just come in fresh to get on the witness stand and answer questions, true?
And you didn't misrepresent the truth to this jury when you said that you were extremely vigilant about looking for everything that may be evidence in the case, true?
Page 58, lines 9 through 13. (Mr. Baker read a portion from the transcript of Dennis Fung's civil trial testimony.)
And when you're at a crime scene and there's been a double homicide, I take it you're extremely vigilant about looking for everything that may be evidence in the case, true?
So you're attempting to be extremely vigilant in your dealings with the crime scene at 875 South Bundy, true?
All right. And you didn't misrepresent to this jury when you told this jury on January 8, 1997, that when you got back to the laboratory, you found some cuts on them, referring to the gloves, correct?
Well, let me read it to you, and then you tell us whether or not you were trying to misrepresent to the jury when you said the following. MS. MOLINARO: Mr. Baker, may I have a page reference?
You certainly may. It is page 59, lines 2 through 10. (Mr. Baker reads a portion from the transcript of Dennis Fung's civil trial testimony.) "
Now, did you -- in your view, in looking at the gloves, did you determine where the cuts were on those gloves, if any?
(BY MR. BAKER) My question to you: (Mr. Baker reads a portion from the transcript of Dennis Fung's civil trial testimony.) "
(BY MR. BAKER) That was your answer, sir, you were not attempting to misrepresent that to the jury when you said that in this courtroom under oath, true?
And were you attempting, sir, to misrepresent to the jury when you told the jury that there was a damaged area under where a rock was; were you attempting to misrepresent that to the jury, sir?
And is it your present testimony that there, in fact, was a damaged area underneath where the debris was?
You told this jury last week that there was a damaged area underneath where the debris or rock was, did you not, sir?
Just answer the question, Mr. Fung. Did you or did you not tell the jury there was a damaged area on the Bundy glove underneath where the rock was?
Implied that. Let me read from your sworn testimony; page 62, line 16 through page 63, line 8. (Mr. Baker read a portion from the transcript of Dennis Fung's civil trial testimony.)
Well, there's an area of damage on there. I don't know if it's a cut or if it was caused by a rip.
Now, you're telling this jury that there was a rock in that exact area and you have a recollection of that when you collected the Bundy glove on June 13, 1994?
And you didn't see the damaged area because the rock was on it; is that what you're telling this jury?
And you couldn't see the damaged area because there was a rock on top of it; is that your testimony, sir?
And obviously, if there was a damaged area under that rock, the glove had to have been switched because there's no damage there, isn't that true, sir?
KEY QUOTE(BY MR. BAKER) If there was a damaged area under the rock -- there is no damaged area on the glove, correct?
Can you answer the question instead of giving a speech, Mr. Fung. I want you to answer the question.
The damaged area I was referring to was what was depicted in the photograph, not what was on the actual glove.
KEY QUOTEI object, Your Honor. I wish this witness would be instructed to answer the question that's put to him. He can make his speech when he gets back to the station.
(BY MR. BAKER) Mr. Fung, you were able to examine the glove here in the courtroom, were you not?
And this case is the biggest case you have ever in your entire police career worked on, isn't that true?
(BY MR. BAKER) Have you ever worked in a case that has had more publicity than this case, sir?
Ask the question. You know, you asked these questions last week. We don't need to go over them again, the preambles. Just ask the essential questions.
(BY MR. BAKER) Now, Mr. Fung, after you had talked about the damaged area, then you switched, did you not, in terms of where you thought the cuts were on the glove?
Maybe you didn't understand the question. You then switched, did you not, as to the area, true or untrue, Mr. Fung?
Now, you have testified in this case, this is the third time in the civil Simpson case, this is the third time. You have -- you have testified for how many days in the criminal trial?
You've had this glove in front of you on numerous occasions before it was placed in front of you last week on January 8, isn't that correct, sir?
Actually I'm not sure if it was the Bundy glove that was ever shown to me before. I remember the other glove was.
In fact, you told this jury you couldn't be sure that the glove in front of you last week was the glove that you collected on Bundy, isn't that true, sir?
And you weren't attempting to misrepresent the truth to the jury at that time, were you, sir?
(BY MR. BAKER) Just one other question about the photograph. You testified last week on December 8, 1997 (sic), that that area was debris, did you not, that is the whitened area on the glove, did you not?
Thank you. Now, I want to go back to June 13, 1994 for a minute, when you went to the laboratory, and that's when you looked at both gloves, right?
That was when you were back in the laboratory and you looked at both of those gloves, correct?
I'm not exactly sure when -- when I looked at them. I know that I did look at them between the time I collected them and the time I booked them.
(BY MR. BAKER) When you were in -- strike that. When you got back to SID on the night of the 13th, and you took the blood swatches and you and Andrea put blood swatches in glass test tubes for drying, right?
And you're certainly familiar with the fact that if you clump swatches together, you diminish the surface area and they don't dry, correct?
You were then -- I mean you're not telling this jury that you didn't understand that if you take the damp objects and put them on damp objects -- and put them on damp objects, that they're going to dry quicker than if you spread them all out? You're not telling the jury that, are you, sir?
(BY MR. BAKER) And you certainly made efforts to ensure, because you wanted those swatches to dry, that they were in the best position in the test tube so that they could be in the drying rack and -- and get dried, didn't you? I mean you -- didn't you, sir?
(BY MR. BAKER) Did you watch Andrea Mazzola put the initials on the bindle, Mr. Fung, in 1994, that she testified to putting on the bindle?
We're going to have to find Andrea Mazzola's testimony. She testified to the opposite.
He doesn't have to --
MR. P. BAKER: Page 89 of December 10, Judge. Would you like me to bring it up there?
Are you going to help them on it? MS. MOLINARO: You can take it up. (Indicating to notebook computer.)
It's on 89 and 90, 20 for the record. (The following proceedings were held at the bench with the reporter.)
What she testified to she -- in August of '94, she had testified that she put her initials on the bindles. She now realizes that she didn't.
They twisted every witness. That is enough to ask the question. She said, "I believe I had."
They're asking her about a hearing that took place before the criminal trial (indicating). (Court reads computer screen of Mr. Lambert.)
This here. Right here. I do not believe -- well, you put your initials. I believed that I had. Yes. And she said -- and you testified that you had in August. This is at a pretrial hearing before the criminal trial. I believed that I had, but I -- and you found out at some later time after the hearing, but before the criminal trial, that the bindles didn't have your initials on it, correct? She said -- and you then changed your testimony now at the criminal trial. She testified she didn't have the initials on the bindle. That's what this is all about. So she's not testified in this trial that she had her initials on bindles. She's saying the opposite.
THE COURT: But the objection is sustained with regards to the form of the question implying that she testified that she put it on. I think the evidence shows that she said she didn't. (The following proceedings were held in open court in the presence of the jury.)
(BY MR. BAKER) Did you see Andrea Mazzola write her initials on the night -- or the morning of the 14th when you took the swatches out of the -- out of test tubes in the drying area?
All right. Just one other area. You did testify that the area of damage was exactly where the rock was, did you not, on January 8, 1997?
Did you testify -- did you testify that the rock was at the exact area of the damage, sir? Can you answer that question? It was one week ago.
Okay. Let me read your deposition -- or your testimony, sir. MS. MOLINARO: May I have the page numbers.
Well, that's an area of damage on there. I don't know if it's a rip, I don't know if it's a cut or if it was caused by a rip.
Now, are you telling this jury that there was a rock in that exact area and you have a recollection of that when you collected the Bundy glove on June 13, 1994?
And now you say it wasn't a rock over a rip or a tear; it was just a piece of debris, right?
Can you answer my question. And you have no idea where this purported piece of debris is now and no idea where the damaged area underneath it is, true?
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence, compound, argumentative. (Court reviews real time screen.)
(BY MR. BAKER) You have no idea where the damaged area is that you testified under that rock is, because it's not on the glove, isn't that true, sir?
And when -- you testified to this jury you had a recollection of the glove that you collected on Bundy on June 13, true?
The -- Mr. Fung, you were asked a bunch of questions about whether you were trying to mislead the jury. Were you trying to mislead the jury in your testimony?
I didn't lie, but I was mistaken.
obviously, if there was a damaged area under that rock, the glove had to have been switched because there's no damage there, isn't that true, sir?
Well, leather doesn't necessarily heal itself, does it?
The damaged area I was referring to was what was depicted in the photograph, not what was on the actual glove.
Judge, I think I'll probably ask the questions that I want to ask.