Yes. By the end of the month—we took a trip to Hawaii together and things were, you know, for the most part back to normal with us. We had such a good time in Hawaii that I felt—I don't know. As I said, I was somewhat disappointed in myself. So I called my lawyer and had him draft a note, you know, to let Nicole know that—you know, how bad I felt about it, that if I ever did anything in the future, physically, out of anger towards her, that my prenuptial agreement would be null and void, retroactively be null and void, which, you know—we had a pretty heady negotiation because she was anti-prenuptial agreement when we got married. And I don't know, it just may have been more of governor for myself. But I don't know. I just felt real bad about it and I just wanted to have—for her to have more assurances that even though she wasn't asking for it, that if in the future, if anything remotely like that happened again, that I would be punished beyond what anybody else could do to me at this time, to the tune of millions of dollars.

Now, at that time, you were a relatively wealthy man, were you not?

At that time, yes.

Yes. Now there's a lot of wealthy lawyers.

And you had this prenuptial agreement that had been negotiated back in 1985; is that right, sir?

Yes. I—in my first divorce I felt it cost more to negotiate the settlement than what I had to split, and I—I—I didn't want it to happen again. It became sort of a common thing. I had a couple of friends who were ladies who had gotten married and they forced the guy to sign prenuptials. It was a pretty common thing at the time.

The point is in 1989, you then said in a legal document that if you ever struck her in anger or did anything in anger again, she got half of anything you had?

That's correct.

Had a value of 3, $4 million?

Yeah, 4, $5 million.

At the time you did that, the criminal charges against you were pending, were they not?

Yeah, I believe so. I believe we had— I believe—I'm not so sure. It was the end of the month or the beginning of the next month. I believe I was in Hawaii and it was something I wanted to do.

And you did whatever the Court told you, didn't you?

Whatever the Court told me, I did, yes.

And this was not to in any way minimize whatever the Court system was going to do relative to the incident of 1/1/89, correct?

Well, Nicole stated she wouldn't testify, and the Court had already—I think I already knew that—the Court was going to do whatever they were going to do, the City attorney was going to prosecute, so it really had no bearing on that one way or the other.

From that day forward you never had a physical altercation with Nicole, did you?

That's correct.

Now, in 1990, 1991, you would go back with Nicole and the kids in New York during the football season; is that correct?

Yes. We bought a place in New York and they would come back and live there during the season. It was beginning to get difficult 'cause Sydney was starting preschool and school was going—coming up, and we had at the same time totally remodeled our house in Los Angeles.

Okay. Now, in the 1991, '92 season, did Nicole go back to New York with you?

No. Actually, 1991 was the first time ever that she didn't go back because Sydney had started school, regular school, I believe, and so she didn't want Sydney to be transferring schools. And so the fall of '91 was the first time that we were ever apart really for any—any type of substantial period of time.

Now, when you came back in January of 1991, did Nicole indicate to you that she wanted to separate?

You were devastated, weren't you, OJ?

Yes, I was. Just the week before she had told me, as well as some friends of ours, that she was never more in love with us. Previous to that, her mother and her had come back to New York to spend a few days with me, and we were all commenting on how great things were going. So I was caught totally off guard by it.

And you were seriously in love with Nicole, were you not?

Yes.

And how long did you spend after January 6 of 1992 trying to get her to reconsider?

When she moved out at the end of January or the first of February, she had found a place about five, six blocks away. And I was—I took it pretty hard for about three months. And during that period of time I did everything I could to talk her into— you know, let's not split—splitting. Even though I sort of instigated the divorce proceedings, I didn't want us to split. Over the next three or four months, you know, we ate dinner together three or four nights a week with the kids. We went to Disneyland together and did all those things together. She began to, I guess, casually date, and about four months later, after a trip to Mexico, she came to my house to tell me that she had met a guy that she was going to get serious with. And from that point on I never ever made any kind of overtures about us getting back together. As a matter of fact, I kind of went on with my life and met a person I was interested in a few days later.

Well, explain—if you're trying to get back together, explain what you meant to this jury, what you meant by you instigated the divorce?

Nicole wanted to separate at one point. I had been through this before and I didn't want us to live apart because—one of her reasons she wanted to separate was she said she had lived with me since she was 18, that she wanted some free time, she just needed to get on her own for a while. After she had moved out I just felt that it—from what I knew, it would take a year at least to divorce, and I felt I didn't want to go a whole year of paying the temporary alimony, and doing all that, and then a year later realize that we weren't going to get back together and then proceed with divorce proceedings which would go another year. I said let's just start the divorce proceedings. If you don't file, I'm going to file and that will still give us pretty—a lot of time, so a year from now, if we change our minds we won't have to divorce. So, we proceeded to—we began divorce proceedings.

And now, this is 1992, right, sir?

This is—yeah, it was. Basically she moved out at the end of January and this was still about May of '92, and then I think our divorce was final in October of '92.

All right. Now, during the divorce itself, that was a litigated divorce? In other words, you actually—there were depositions, you actually went to trial in that matter, did you not, sir?

Yes, we did.

And did you give a deposition in that?

Yes, I did.

And did you testify relative to the January 1, 1989, incident as you testified essentially in this courtroom today?

In the deposition and, I believe, also during the Court proceeding.

Now, Nicole, did she also testify in a deposition in that divorce proceeding?

Yes, she did.

Did she indicate that she had ever been physically struck by you after the July—July, January 1, 1989, incident?

Objection, hearsay.

Sustained.

1227 of the Evidence Code, Your Honor.

State—Not to him in a separate proceeding.

Overruled.

(BY MR. BAKER) Was there any indication in your divorce proceeding that—by Nicole that you had ever been physical with her subsequent to January 1, 1989?

None.

That included deposition and any testimony that you gave, correct?

Yes.

Now, Nicole, did she testify in the trial of that matter?

She didn't show up that day. She—I guess the judge was going to say she was in contempt but—instead she came to my house. The day she was supposed to testify, she didn't show up, and no one knew where she was, and that night when I came home she was at my house, and she didn't want to testify.

Now, in the whole year from January to October of 1992, did you and Nicole ever argue about anything other than money?

And we didn't have any argument about that. I think it's only stress between us in the nine months or so it took us to have a divorce is money. I think on one instance we had two sort of altercations or arguments. One was—I think I inadvertently said something to a guy about her new boyfriend and I thought she had told the guy and evidently she didn't and she came to my son's kickball game and was upset with me that I had mentioned something to him. She had found a guy and she had come to me for advice about the guy, a guy named Joseph. And I assumed she had told this other guy, Keith, who she always said wasn't her boyfriend, just he was a friend, and I had inadvertently—when I was picking my son up and they drove up, I sort of gave him my condolences, Keith, and I didn't realize that she hadn't told him yet. So she came to the kickball game and was pretty upset with me about that. The only other argument in these 10 months that we had was when I came back from the Olympics, my bookkeeper noticed there was a bill for golf and lunch on my personal account down in Laguna. Nicole and I both had separate accounts. She had taken a couple of guys down and evidently charged all their golf and food on my account and I was pretty upset about that. But in this whole period of time we never argued about any other thing, who she was dating or who I was dating or anything.

Now, in April of 1992, was it Trieste restaurant that opened?

I believe so.

And you were in that restaurant with some friends?

Yeah. I arrived at the restaurant, and when I arrived at this restaurant I saw some of her friends right at the door, sitting at the bar, and I said oh, hey, guys, what's going on? I said is Nicole here? They said she was. I went to the end of the bar where she was standing with a guy named Rainey England, an old friend—one of Denise's old—ex-boyfriend. I said could we talk alone? Because we had made sort of a loose agreement that if one of was in a place—this is because of another time we ran into each—that if one of us was in a place, whoever was there first, the other one would have to leave if it was a problem. So I said, well, look, the people I'm joining are already here and seated. And she said, well, we're about to be seated. And we both said it was no problem and so we both stayed.

After that restaurant did you go by her house on Gretna Green?

Yes, I did.

Is that when you saw her in the front room window?

Yes.

And she was engaged in a sexual activity with another man?

Yes. As I was approaching the front door—I was actually going to see if her car was there to see if she was home. If she was, I would have rung the doorbell, if she wasn't I'd have gone home. As I was approaching the front door, there was a window, and I looked and I could see her head and then as I stepped to the window I could see that obviously something was happening and—you know.

Did you go into a rage, OJ?

No. I think I was a little stunned. When I turned to leave, as I was going out the fence, I hit a doorbell and continued and went home.

Why did you hit a doorbell?

I wanted to alert them that it was pretty easy to be seen, I mean it was sort of out in the open if I could see it walking to her front door, you know, even though it was late, it was sort of obvious, I mean it was sort of a little open for it—I don't know if they heard the doorbell or not, but I went home.

Did you ever see the gentleman she was with after that time in April of 1992?

Well, at the—at that time I didn't know who she was with. The next day I—you know, I—when I went over to her house to talk to her about it after—around lunch, she was with the guy, and I guess sort of let me know it was him, and we talked about not so much him, but basically about how we would now start dealing with the kids, because we were both going to start dating. Even though she said it was a mistake, what had taken place that night, they had been drinking too much. And the fact that I felt they had to be a little more discreet with the kids in the house.

You didn't have any words with the man that was with Nicole the next day, did you?

We had no argument. I—after I—her and I spoke, I went out and shook his hand. And I saw him on numerous occasions throughout the summer, and whenever I saw him, I just asked him about his golf game, because he was a golfer.

Now, Nicole kind of used you—and you alluded to it here in the courtroom today. She used you as kind of a sounding board during that period of time, all through the time that you were going through this litigated divorce, did she not?

Yes. Shortly after that, she had met a guy, as I mentioned, and that she was going to get serious about a guy named Joseph, but she wasn't sure if he had really split up with his girlfriend or not. She wanted my advice about it.

And she continued to hold you in confidence throughout the pendency of the divorce, did she not?

Yes.

And in the summer of '92, when she became pregnant, she told you about that, did she not?

Yeah, well, she—I think I had called her or she had called me, I was back East, and she was sort of upset and at one point made a comment to me that, you know, if Paula gets pregnant, we'll never get back together, and I said, well, where did that come from? At that time she just spilled out that she had done something stupid, she had gotten herself pregnant, she wasn't really asking for advice. I think she needed someone to talk to. My understanding was, and I guess Cora Fischman, she didn't want her parents to know. We were the only two she spoke about it with.

And during the actual trial of the divorce, did you go out to dinner with her every night?

Yeah, every time we went to court, mostly she came to court with her lawyer, I would drive her back to her lawyers or—and then we would go meet, I think during the actual last few days of the divorce, every day we left court, her and I would go and—and have sushi or something together.

Now, the divorce became final in October of 1992, and you were at that point in time—that's the football season, is it not?

Yes, I would have to make a special trip out to go to court for—you know, to show up in court.

Now, Thanksgiving of 1992, were you supposed to have the kids with you back in New York?

Yes. What we did was—one issue that never came up in court, we told the judge that we had worked out all our things about the kids, because we never had any differences about the kids, we were always together with the kids. And what we were going to do the first year was spend all the major holidays together and then after that, see whatever was happening in our relationships with the other people we were involved with. So the plan was for her to come back to New York on Christmas—I mean on Thanksgiving, because I have to work on Thanksgiving, the Thanksgiving Day game. I have to arrange with NBC not to be at the game, which I would normally be, but to be in the studio. But a few days before Thanksgiving, she called me to tell me she wasn't coming back and wasn't bringing the kids back.

Now, throughout the time that you and Nicole were together and throughout the time that you and Nicole were apart, was she a fabulous mother?

Always.

Was she terrific with the kids?

I felt so, yes.

You and she did not have an argument about the children, did you?

No.

Now—

I mean I think like most wives, she always wanted me to be around more, but I had to work.

Now, the situation, Thanksgiving of 1992, was upsetting to you, was it not?

I'm sorry?

The situation when she had canceled coming back to New York for Thanksgiving with the kids was upsetting to you, was it not?

Very much so. I had gone to a lot of trouble with the powers at NBC to be—I mean in New York at the time instead of in Detroit. I had— you know, her and I had always put our differences aside no matter what they might be for the kids, and for her to tell me she wasn't coming back with no explanation, yes, it was upsetting.

You wanted her—your kids back there, didn't you?

Yes.

And so what happened at Christmas, about a month later?

Well, right after Thanksgiving, I called my lawyer and I told him what had happened and I said, well, I guess we're going to have to start rotating holidays. I want my kids for Christmas. And he started some litigation with their lawyer and—and we solved it almost immediately, that the kids would come back to New York for Christmas as long as a responsible adult would bring them, and my oldest daughter brought—we agreed would bring my kids back to spend Christmas with me.

Okay. Now—and they did come back, didn't they?

They came back I believe on Monday or Tuesday and—

And then what happened after the kids got back; did you get a call from Nicole?

Yeah. That Christmas, I—the day before Christmas, I—Nicole called, and she was very emotional and she said she couldn't believe that she wasn't going to be with the kids on Christmas. And even though it was sort of a problem with me, 'cause I had a girlfriend back in New York. I knew she was going to go visit her mother, I said, well, you can come back and as a matter of fact, I'll pay your ticket. And I got her a first class ticket. I told her she just couldn't stay in my apartment with me. And she came back, stayed a block away at a hotel and, you know, every morning would come over, and we did everything, you know, we went to all the Christmas shows and the Big Apple Circus and ice skating, and we really had a fabulous three days together.

Now, was it during that Christmas of 1992 after you had been divorced only a couple of months that Nicole made overtures about wanting to get back together?

Well, what she did was, she—after the Saturday, I believe, there, they were going to leave Sunday, and she packed all the kids' clothes and they ate and the kids had gone to bed and she went back to her hotel, and while I was laying in bed, going through my notes for the games that I had to comment on the next day, she called and—and wanted to thank me for the—for the week, she wanted to explain what happened at Thanksgiving. Evidently, her and her boyfriend had had a fight leading up to it. And she wanted to know what happened to us. And I told her, hey, you left me, I didn't leave you. But my attitude was I didn't want to discuss it. We had three days, great days, together, and I said, look, let's not mess it up now. And I told her she had to be there early the next day 'cause I had to go to the studio and the limo would be at my house at 9 o'clock. I literally sort of—after that, sort of avoided talking to her as much as I could.

Why, O.J., did you avoid talking to her, after you had three great days in Christmas of 1992?

Well, you know, I had a different life, she had a different life, the kids were happy from what I had gathered. She was happy. 'Cause friends would say they saw her in Aspen and various—Mexico and various places. And it seemed to me that every time I would talk to her, I would get sort of involved in whatever was going on in her life, it was a boyfriend or whatever, you know; and I just reached the point where my life was going well, I was—business-wise, I was making more money than I ever made in my life. I was in what I thought was a healthy relationship. And I realized that most of the problems I was dealing with seemed to be hers and—and I didn't want to deal with anything other than the kids. So I gave— I told her—I told my housekeeper, Michelle, and I told Kathy Randa that, you know, if Nicole called, that if it's about the kids, let me know immediately. If—ask her—if it's not about the kids, I don't want to hear about it.

And when was the next time, then, you talked to her after Christmas of 1992?

I saw her very briefly, her and her mother, when I was—the day after the Super Bowl, February 1. I had picked my kids up from school, and they were going to spend a few days with me, and when I went by the house to get their clothes, her and her mother were out front, and her father—mother came over and gave me a hug and Nicole came over and felt—started—attempted to start an altercation. And I just wouldn't hear it. I just got in my car and I waited for my kids, and outside of that two or three minutes, I—I don't think I spoke to her at all during—from Christmas till mid-March.

Now, when you use the word altercation, you mean an oral argument?

Yes.

Now, in March of 1993, did the relationship between you and Nicole change somewhat?

I don't know, I guess maybe somewhat, but not really with—what happened was that at some point—she called me in mid-March, and—and I had answered the phone, and it was, as I said, the first time I had spoken to her, really, in—essentially in a—in two or three months, and she said she really needed to talk to me and felt that I was upset with her, and I told her I wasn't, and she asked why wouldn't I return her phone calls, 'cause I had been getting through Michelle and—through Nicole, I mean sometimes up to five calls a day, and she was sending me cookies on occasion and musical tapes with love songs on them. And I—you know, she thought I was mad at her. I told her I wasn't, I just didn't want to have any hassles. And she needed to talk to me. And somehow—someone else called, so the conversation ended. About two hours later, she showed up at my house with my kids and a couple of tapes and a letter.

And, O.J., is this the—the letter that she showed up with in mid-March?

Yes.

Same exhibit?

I don't know the exhibits. You know better than me.

(BY MR. BAKER) And, O.J., it was -- Do you have any idea what exhibit number it is, Steve?

Yeah.

It's either 1314 or—

No, no; those are his letters.

MR. P. BAKER: Should it be next in order.

It's Exhibit 1161.

1161, your boss says, Steve. (Referring to Exhibit 1161.)

Is that what he has in front of him?

No, I got it.

Okay.

(BY MR. BAKER) Now, in this letter, O.J., she indicates that the problems you had before the divorce were caused mainly by her, does she not?

Yes.

You didn't agree with that, you thought that you had caused most of the problems that led to the divorce in 1992; isn't that true?

Yeah, I felt that even though she said that the things that I thought that I had done previous to the last few years leading up to the divorce problem, I possibly had more to do with it than anything. I felt it was my fault that we split up the first time.

Now, she indicates that you weren't controlling, that she was; did she tell you that?

Yes.

She suggested that she wanted to come home and wanted to be a family again; did she tell you that?

Yes.

Did she tell you that she just never wanted to leave your side again?

Yes.

Did she tell you to watch the tapes that she had delivered with the letter?

Yes.

Did she tell you that you're her one and only true love?

Yes.

And did she say, I will love you forever and always?

Yes.

And did you watch the tapes?

No.

Why not?

Well, at the time, I didn't want to get back together. I was happy in my life. As I said, I was earning more money than I had ever earned. I was happy with my golf game. I was in a very healthy, what I thought, relationship. My kids were happy. And this was so out of the blue. I mean, this—I was just totally flabbergasted. I mean there had been no indication of this before then. My thoughts were that—I thought she was in a—in a relationship with a guy that she had, I believed, gotten pregnant with the year before, and I did not know that she had split up on New Year's, you know, and she actually had told me that before I read the letter, she told me essentially everything that was in the letter, before I read it, so—cause as I've said, I was just totally shocked by it—

Now—

-- and I assumed something was wrong. And I think I called her—may have called her mother, may have. I know I talked to Cora, wondering what happened with Nicole. I thought she had a fight with her boyfriend or something, 'cause it didn't make sense to me, having not seen me in all this period of time, that she could be in love with me. And she told me that, I never told you I wasn't in love with you. I told you—I mean, I never told you I didn't love you; I just wasn't in love with you. I didn't know how she could fall back in love with me, not having seen me for three or four months.

After the letter was delivered and Nicole came over and delivered the tapes, did she then kind of appear at places where you were, sir?

Well, what I told her—I told her was, I wasn't interested in getting back together. I did tell her, I think what we should do is what I suggested the year before; we should spend more time together with the kids. At least once a week, we should do something together as a family. Because we hadn't been doing that since, you know, since I left to go to New York, really, or probably since I got the divorce. So what we started to do was, at—I thought, would have maybe one day a week would start, you know, having dinner together or going to Magic Mountain, or something. What turned out, she started every day either coming to the golf course, something she had never done before, or coming to my house, or just showing up at my office.

And at some point in time, did you think that you should perhaps reconsider—

Well—

-- her proposal?

Well, some things that happened—I became aware of some things that had happened with her and some people that I knew. She was—I don't know. She was the girl that I had always known for 15 years. She was making a big effort, because she was taking golf lessons. Her—and then all her girlfriends would show up taking golf lessons. And I always—always enjoyed the times that he we spent with the kids. I began to get somewhat confused. I—began to be a little friction with my girlfriends and I, that Nicole would be—a few times when Paula was coming over, Nicole was at the house, and I didn't even know she was there. So I flew to San Francisco, to talk to my mother.

Why did you fly to San Francisco to talk to your mother?

My mother. I had to get some advice from her. And essentially what she told me was, you know, for the kids' sake, maybe you should at least understand why she wants to get back together, and— and understand what your feelings were. Because I did have and always have had feelings for Nicole. So I—so I sort of took my mother's advice and I came back to Los Angeles. I called Nicole and I said, "We need to get away from everybody for two or three days, 'cause I need to talk to you and I need to find out what's going on." And we did.

Where did you go?

We went to Mexico, Cabo San Lucas.

And after you had been at Cabo San Lucas for a few days, did you and she work out an agreement to attempt to reconcile?

No. I still didn't know if I wanted to do it.

And when did you finally come to a conclusion that maybe you and Nicole would give it another try?

A few months after this. I think we're in May again. Some friends and I were going to Mexico, and as we were leaving our house one morning, the limo was there to go to the airport, Nicole showed up, and she was coming over to borrow some golf equipment to go play—to hit golf balls. And she became aware that we were going to Mexico, 'cause I hadn't told her. I did tell her I would call her and give her the number that I was at. So when I called her once we got to Mexico, she informed me that her and her girlfriends and her and the kids were coming down the next day. And while they were down there, after the first week, my friends, who are golf buddies of mine and their girlfriends then, and/or wives left. I stayed over a few days, over with a friend. And my kids kept asking me, dad, you know, why don't you stay. And Nicole asked me why don't I stay, since I had nothing to get back to L.

with—I mean for. I stayed two or three more days, but I stayed where I was, which was about 15 miles away from where they were. But I was spending most of my days with them. During that period of time, we talked and agreed to, you know, I kind of laid down what I felt were ground rules, and we agreed to give it a chance.

And tell us just basically what were kind of the ground rules that you and Nicole had agreed upon to try to reconcile?

Well, the first thing—because what was happening while I was there was—evidently, a similar thing had happened with the girl she was with. And while we were there, that girl was having some argument with—she was—it was Faye Resnick—was trying to get back with her boyfriend. And she had left him for some guy, and she was giving him a lot of heat to move back into the house with him, and he didn't want it. So I told her, "Don't put any heat on me to move back in. I don't want my kids to move back in, and if this didn't work, they have to move out again. You're not going to move back if we try this." And she said, "Well, if we have an argument, then we're going to split up." So then I said, "Okay. We'll try a year. No matter what, we'll stay together for a year." And that—there was one friend of hers, a Robin Gray, I believe. I told her that I would not socialize with this girl and did not want this girl around my house. Not that she couldn't socialize with her, because she did continue from time to time to socialize with her, but she was the only person that I told her I would not socialize with. As I said, I didn't know Faye Resnick and these people at the time; I just met them on this trip.

Okay. Now, and did you and she try to—to work it out; that is, go through a period of a year and to try to get back together?

Yes, we did. We spent a lot of time together and had some great times.

Now, that was May of 1993?

That was actually Mother's Day of 1993.

And during that summer, did Nicole and the kids spend a lot of time at your house?

We spent just about 95 percent of the time—either I slept at their house or they slept at my house. I mean, the kids had always, during— when I was in L.

A.—had always stayed at both houses. But now we were staying with one another at both houses, not only just with the kids.

And tell me, O.J., well, relative to your house, is it a house that there are people there basically constantly?

Well, my whole life, I've always had people around. Friends—you know, when it was Marguerite and I—Nicole was probably a little more extroverted than Marguerite—it was probably more friends around. But as it is now, as you see, on weekends and stuff, my house is always loaded with friends and people.

And the kids would have kids over and in the back and in the pool?

Yes.

And they spent an awful lot of time at your place during the summer of 1993, did they not?

Yes. With—some nights, I was the only adult with five or six kids, you know.

And I want to move to this October 23, 1993 incident.

25.

25. I'm sorry. I wrote it down here wrong. Thank you.

(BY MR. BAKER) During October and— September and October, did you customarily, once a week or so, go over and have dinner at Nicole's house?

No. What was going on—I was an incredibly busy during this period of time—I was living and working in New York, but I was also shooting a picture, a Naked Gun movie. I live here in Los Angeles, so my weeks would be—I would be in New York Sunday, here Monday, Chicago and somewhere doing the interview Tuesday, back in LA Wednesday or Thursday, and then back to New York for the weekend. So during about a month or two period of time, I was catching maybe two redeyes a week from here to New York and and other cities. So I was very, very busy.

And did—were you—on November 25, 19 -- November—October 25, 1993, were you at Nicole's house for dinner that night?

Yes.

And did you have a disagreement?

We had an argument later, the second time I was at her house.

So what happened?

Well, during the course of going back and forth and shooting the movie—I was on the set of my film one day, and a girl named Alexander or something, Alexandria, I guess—I don't know her last name— she was—she was a stand-in for Anna Nicole Smith— came up to me and was telling me that, "You don't seem like a bad guy." I said, "Why would you think I was a bad guy?" She proceeded to tell me what a guy named Keith Slomowitz said about me. It sort of upset me a little bit, so I asked her to get Keith on the phone. And we both called Keith, and he wasn't there, so we left a message for him. But from the call, she proceeded to tell me things about Keith's drug problems, Nicole and drugs, and her and stuff, you know. I didn't know this girl. I wasn't comfortable, because when we started talking about it, there were other people around. And when I went home, I went to Nicole's house after, and I made mention to her, and I told her that next time you talk to Keith—because I think from time to time she talked to Keith, and it didn't bother me—you tell him he was out of line, what he said to her. I believe I went out of town the next day, and came back the following day. And after work, I went to Nicole's house, or, you know. And she had told me that he had called and she had explained to him that she understood that when people split up— evidently, Alexandria and this guy had split up— that they say things about one another. And I got a little upset about that, because I felt, why are you making excuses for this guy. And I went home because I felt myself getting angry, so I went home.

And what happened after you got home?

When I got home, Nicole called, and I was on the other phone, and I told her I'd call her back And I called her back. We began to talk about it. And she said to me that, I had always promised that we would talk everything out and argue it out, and now here I am, leaving, and I wouldn't talk about it. And I gather I was leaving town the next day again to go back east, so I thought about it and got in my car and went to her house. I got there. She was trying to change her cars around, and we ended up talking while we were trying to get her Ferrari in the garage. We started talking about this, and slowly became an argument. We ended up on her patio in the back of her house. And she was smoking a cigarette, and she yelled at me that, you know, why would you believe this Alexandria or whatever. I don't know. She wrote a book about, you know, with these other—with these other prostitutes, I guess, about making love in LA She's one of those girls. And Nicole yelled that she was a hooker, and that she had started a fight with Heidi Fleiss at the Monkey Bar that started the whole Heidi Fleiss thing. I started to say, what the hell are you doing with hookers? This girl said she stayed here; you gave her a party here, and why are these girls around here. Like most arguments, she said something about Paula, about a wedding frame when we were apart. And I know this is complicated, but evidently, when Nicole and I was apart, I was looking for a frame one day to put a picture of Paula in, and I ended up using a frame that had previously had our wedding picture in it. And Nicole brought that up. I wasn't even aware of it. She said something about Paula. And I said to her, what about all of these pictures? And at that time, she turned, she went in the house. I was walking behind her. And she sort of slammed the door and kicked the door, and proceeded to point out all the pictures in her home with guys that I didn't know. And I picked up my son's album and proceeded to turn the pictures where my son was sitting in Keith Slomowitz' lap. And of course, I had witnessed this thing with her and Keith, and I had never told her to take this picture out of the album. As a matter of fact, never told her to take any of these pictures out of her house. And I was a little upset that she would bring up one picture with Paula in a picture frame. It's stupid, I know. But when you have arguments, that's what happens. And while I was venting and she was in the kitchen, Kato Kaelin showed up, and I began to vent to Kato. I wasn't aware that Nicole had gone upstairs. And at one point, I was in my venting, I walked, looking for her, and went upstairs. And I didn't realize she was on the phone with the police. And I came downstairs and vented. At one point, she came downstairs in the room that I was in, still venting, not quite as loudly, and picked up the telephone in that room. And I assumed she was on the phone with her mother. By then, Kato and I was moving out to the patio, you know, 'cause by then, our conversation was with one another. I think at one point, she said something about she was going to call the cops. And I said, "Well, call the cops. What am I supposed to do, run now, because you don't like the way the argument is going?" And then the police showed up.

All right. And at the time, she was upstairs and then came downstairs; is that correct?

Yeah. She was up—I went upstairs at one point, and her door was locked. I asked why was the door locked. You were the one that asked me to come back here to argue. And she asked me to leave, and then I walked back downstairs.

Now—and then you went out of the patio door, into Kato's—

Out in the patio. I think eventually Kato and I ended up in his room. I think we were in back, in his room, when the police came.

There was nothing physical about that?

No, no. It was just an argument.

You never threatened anything physical?

No.

And was she yelling at you when you were—when you were yelling at her?

Yes.

Did you believe that she was ever afraid of any physical contact that you would make, based upon what she did on October 25, 1993?

Well, she certainly wasn't afraid when we were having the argument, and she certainly wasn't afraid when she came back downstairs, before the police showed up. So I didn't think she was afraid.

Were you out of control, in your opinion?

I don't believe so. But I kicked the door. Maybe I shouldn't have kicked the door. It was just a re—reflex, because I was walking behind her when she closed it.

All right. Sir, now, did—from that day forward, did you ever have any real argument?

No. The next day, she contacted me to apologize for calling the police. And from that day forward, other than—most of the problems we had was concerning some problems she had, not with me, but with other people.

Now—

Take a break. Five minutes, ladies and gentlemen. Make it ten. Make sure you bring them back in ten.

THE BAILIFF: Right. (Recess.) (The following proceedings were held in open court in the presence of the jury.)

(BY MR. BAKER) Sir, tell the jury about the incident of October 25, 1993, that didn't cause a rift in the relationship that you had with Nicole? That was over soon or was it not?