(BY MR. BLASIER) Thank you, Mr. Fung.
I have one question on the area at Rockingham. Isn't it true that from the area of the diagram, there's a -- there's a point in the Rockingham house where the walkway becomes very, very narrow?
And, in fact, you can see it fairly well in the bottom left -- actually, the bottom left picture, can you not?
And did you measure the distance from the corner here, where it gets real narrow, back to the air conditioner?
I'm referring to my notes. From the -- from this point to the glove was 19 feet, ten inches.
(BY MR. BLASIER) Incidentally, the distance from Mr. Simpson's gate to where the glove was found is even longer than the distance from Bundy Drive all the way back to the alleyway at Bundy, isn't it?
The distance from the gate to the Bundy glove? And that distance -- I haven't done a measurement myself. I can take a look.
Well, you can take a look. It's only 170 feet from the alleyway to Bundy, according to plaintiffs' chart here, correct?
220.
Now, did I understand you to say that you confined yourself to just the walkway and the caged-in area?
Well, the detective had looked all over the crime scene, and he pointed out the items of evidence he wanted me to concentrate on.
How many times did you walk in and out of the back gate while you were processing that scene?
It's my testimony that I don't remember seeing or having been -- I don't remember being told about the blood on the back gate on that day, and I don't remember seeing blood on the back gate that day.
KEY QUOTENow, you had made a reference in your direct testimony about collecting things sequentially in terms of assigning them numbers. Do you recall that?
Generally, we like to collect items of evidence sequentially, but that's not a hard and fast rule.
Well, we try to number items of evidence in a logical manner; and if it's in a logical manner, then, usually, they go in a sequential order in regard to proximity.
And is it accurate that you have -- essentially, you have the photographer walking with you, as you assign numbers to things in a sequential order?
No, not really. I'll lay out the numbers and then have the photographer take pictures after I've gone through, most of the time. But again, that's not a hard and fast rule, either.
Now, Mr. Fung, you are the one that assigns the numbers that are on the little cards, correct?
And all the cards that appear on the board there, 67, are cards that you prepared and put on the ground, correct?
And you gave the next drop 113, which was the next one in sequence. You gave that a photo I.D. No. 113, correct?
You went further down the path and we get to 114, which is the next drop in the sequence, correct?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Mr. Fung, let me show you what's been marked as 2134. That is a picture of stain 116 is it not?
So you went from item 115, all the way back to the front gate, and put the card on 116 and had a picture taken, correct?
Then you went all the way back out to 117, which is a drop on the other side of the back gate, correct?
You looked on that back gate; you didn't find any blood. Somebody had told you to look at the gate, and you went to the front gate, didn't you?
Why did you leave your sequence at 115 and go back to the front gate and then come back out the back?
Ms. Mazzola saw that there was additional blood on the front gate and said this would be a good area to get more blood from, because it was in a different area than the other items of blood we had checked around the caged-in area.
So I agreed to give her a number and let her collect that blood from the front gate.
Well, you have to realize that we are numbering first; and then as we're going along, if we see something additionally and she's doing something else and wants to -- and she wanted to collect the 116 while I was numbering additional items of evidence down the line. She came up to me and said, "I think we should collect more blood from the front," and I gave her that number.
I gave her -- I said, "Go ahead and get that blood that you want to collect, photo I.D. No. 116."
Is it your testimony that it's just a coincidence that the blood drop No. 116 collected on July 3 from the back gate has the same number as stain 6, 116 which you collected on the 13th?
Now, when you got to the Bundy scene, the print people were already looking for fingerprints, weren't they?
The things are checked for fingerprints, they put on graphite on objects to try and determine whether there's a print there, correct? A "dusting" it's called?
When you're dusting for prints, if you get that on the blood, you can really mess up the blood, can't you?
It's a horrible idea to have the print people out there before you even get to the scene, isn't it?
Beyond the scope of the direct. I think this witness is only testifying to blood and the items he recovered.
(BY MR. BLASIER) You were in charge of this crime scene, were you not, processing, Mr. Fung?
I -- to a certain extent, I would tell them when I was done with my collection, and then give them the go-ahead to start with their portion of the crime-scene processing.
I don't have a vivid memory of what portions they had started. They were working on the inside; I do remember that, and possibly the railings of the walkway.
By the way, Mr. Fung, in this entire area that you served, there wasn't a single fingerprint in blood, was there?
I did not examine the Bundy glove very closely for the presence of blood. I don't remember how much blood was on it?
I did see it, but I didn't take a note of how much blood was on it or -- I know that there was some blood on it, but I didn't examine it very closely?
By the way, at one point, isn't it accurate that you took the Rockingham glove, carried it from Rockingham to Bundy, and took it into the Bundy crime scene, climbing over Mr. Goldman's body, so that Detective Lange could compare it with the Bundy glove?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Is it acceptable procedure to take evidence from one bloody scene like that glove and take it to another second crime scene?
Now, you didn't want to take that glove from Rockingham and carry it into the Bundy crime scene, did you?
I told him that -- well, I made the conclusion in my mind that I would not take the bag -- or the glove out of the bag for him. And I felt that merely bringing the bag to the crime scene and opening it up carefully would not compromise the scene.
KEY QUOTENow, you could have taken the Bundy glove and taken it out to the crime scene truck and compared it there, couldn't you?
Now, isn't it accurate that there were quite a few police officers that you had seen at Rockingham in the morning, 7 o'clock or 10 o'clock, when you were there, that were also at Bundy when you got there after 10:00?
Let me ask you this: You made no effort, did you, to isolate the two crime scenes in the sense of not having people traipsing back and forth, did you?
(BY MR. BLASIER) You can move evidence back and forth from one crime scene to another, even if it gets on your shoe, your clothing, your hands or anything --
(BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any effort to isolate the Rockingham scene from the Bundy scene in terms of people going back and forth?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Was there any attempt made that you're aware of to isolate the two crime scenes so that people didn't come back and forth and one to the other?
(BY MR. BLASIER) By the way, when you were at Rockingham in the afternoon, did you see the Akita dog at Rockingham?
Do you remember seeing the dog?
Did you make any effort to isolate the Rockingham scene from blood that might have been checked on items from the Bundy scene, like the dog?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Did you make any efforts to isolate the Rockingham scene from things like blood from the Bundy -- coming from the Bundy scene by way of a dog?
That's the only effort that was made to isolate -- to keep the dog from possibly tracking blood from Bundy into Rockingham?
Well, there were fresh blood stains at Rockingham. And when the dog got near the stains, we shooed him around.
Your answer is yes, that was the only effort made to protect the Rockingham scene from blood that might be on the dog?
When you were at the Bundy scene in the caged-in area -- that was, again, an area of your responsibility, correct?
By the time I had reached Bundy, she had already been moved or she was in the process of being moved.
(BY MR. BLASIER) Is there any kind of scientific principle that requires that you not have anything to do with the body, but the coroner can?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Whose job is it to see that evidence that might be on a body is preserved?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Is it your responsibility to preserve imprint evidence that might be at a crime scene?
That was an area of the crime scene that you had responsibility over searching and preserving evidence?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Mr. Fung, do you see what appears to be parallel line imprints on the post by the knit cap which I'm pointing to on the screen?
Do you see what appears to be parallel line imprints on the post above the blood stain on the post by the knit cap?
Let me show you what's previously been marked as 13 -- I'm sorry, 1532.
Mr. Fung, when you arrived at the crime scene at about 10:15 on the 13th, did you observe that piece of paper in the area right between where the bodies were?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Mr. Fung, do you see what appears to be similar imprint evidence on that piece of paper?
Without benefit of a ruler or scale within that picture, I cannot make that determination.
(BY MR. BLASIER) That's one of the reasons why you collect such things as pieces of paper that has that kind of imprint evidence on it, isn't it, so that you can do those kinds of tests?
Now, you were trying to find out whether there might have been a second set of shoe prints at Bundy other than the bloody ones, weren't you?
And the area on this piece of paper that I'm indicating up in this area and along in here, those were all consistent with possible shoe imprints, aren't they.
You would definitely collect that, had you seen it, wouldn't you, Mr. Fung? It was right between the two bodies and had blood on it.
(BY MR. BLASIER) Did Detective Lange ever tell you that he already looked at that in the field and decided it had no evidentiary value?
(BY MR. BLASIER) Did Detective Lange ever give you any instructions with respect to that piece of paper?
Is it an appropriate procedure to make an assessment at the crime scene on an item such as this, as to whether or not it has evidentiary value, just by looking at it?
It's my testimony that I don't remember seeing or having been -- I don't remember being told about the blood on the back gate on that day, and I don't remember seeing blood on the back gate that day.
That's correct.
It's quite a coincidence.
We tried to keep the dog away from the evidence or the fresh blood drops.
I told him that -- well, I made the conclusion in my mind that I would not take the bag -- or the glove out of the bag for him.