Natalie Singer, a former entertainment industry worker now living in Nashville, testified that she encountered Mark Fuhrman in 1987 when he began visiting her Los Angeles apartment to see her roommate Karel Hannak. During his first visit, Fuhrman described his gang unit work using the N-word and stated 'the only good Nigger is a dead Nigger,' shocking Singer so much that she avoided him on all subsequent visits until she finally banned him from the apartment after he called her a 'fucking bitch' from the parking lot. She later recognized Fuhrman on television during the Simpson case and contacted the defense team.
# 1 THE COURT: All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated. All right. Mr. Bailey, you may call the next witness.
# 2 MR. BAILEY: Miss Natalie Singer, please.
Natalie Singer, called as a witness by the Defendant, was sworn and testified as follows:
# 3 THE CLERK: Please raise your right hand. You do solemnly swear that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this court, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
# 5 THE CLERK: Please have a seat on the witness stand and state and spell your first and last names for the record.
# 6 MS. SINGER: Natalie, N-A-T-A-L-I-E, Singer, S-I-N-G-E-R.
# 7 THE COURT: All right. Miss Singer, why don't you just sit back and pull the microphone close to you.
# 8 MS. SINGER: (Witness complies.) Mr. Bailey.
# 9 MR. BAILEY: If you will, Miss Singer, keep your voice up so that we can all hear.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. BAILEY
# 10 MR. BAILEY: Where do you presently reside, without giving us a street address?
# 12 MR. BAILEY: Yes. May we have a glass of water?
# 13 THE COURT: It is coming. We are way ahead of you. Proceed.
# 14 MS. SINGER: Nervous.
# 15 MR. BAILEY: Yes, your Honor. I think she would like a sip.
# 16 MS. SINGER: I'm nervous.
# 17 THE COURT: Mr. Bailey.
# 19 MR. BAILEY: In what area do you presently reside?
# 20 MS. SINGER: Nashville, Tennessee.
# 21 MR. BAILEY: All right. On September 24, 1987, where did you reside?
# 22 MS. SINGER: Umm, in Beverly Hills adjacent area in Los Angeles.
# 23 MR. BAILEY: In an apartment?
# 25 MR. BAILEY: All right. Did you have roommates?
# 26 MS. SINGER: Yes, I had three.
# 27 MR. BAILEY: Now, how long had you been in Los Angeles as of September 24, 1987?
# 28 MS. SINGER: Nine days.
# 29 MR. BAILEY: And how long had you known the roommates with whom you were residing on that date?
# 30 MS. SINGER: Well, two of them I had known for years, six or seven years. There was--because it was a two-bedroom apartment, there was a spare bedroom and they rented that out to another girl whom I didn't know until I arrived and met her.
# 31 MR. BAILEY: What was her name?
# 32 MS. SINGER: Karel Hannak.
# 33 MR. BAILEY: Can you spell that?
# 34 MS. SINGER: K-A-R-E-L H-A-N-N-A-K.
# 35 MR. BAILEY: Okay. What kind of business were you in at the time you moved to Los Angeles?
# 36 MS. SINGER: Well, I had been previously working in and around the film industry. I had been personal assistant to Christopher Reeve for a few years.
# 37 MR. BAILEY: Is that the same Christopher Reeve that was just injured in a horse riding accident?
# 39 MR. BAILEY: All right. Continue.
# 40 MS. SINGER: I had done script analysis and I was doing research on a book. It is project to project work. I don't have--
# 41 MR. BAILEY: Had you worked for any producers of television shows?
# 42 MS. SINGER: I--well, this was in New York. When I came out here I was supposed to work at Tri-Star Pictures hopefully as a script analysis and then the writer's strike happened like five seconds after I stepped off the plane so that job went out the window. And so eventually it was a bit of time because I found a good agency and I worked in different places in the film industry and settled on Aaron Spelling, the Aaron Spelling Company, with Doug Cramer who is a producer there, for about two and a half years, even though that was a temp job, but I stayed on for that long.
# 43 MR. BAILEY: Are you still in the same line of work, entertainment, so to speak?
# 44 MS. SINGER: Umm, well, I'm currently in pre-production as the creative director and producer of a series of women's titles for CD ROM, series of CD ROM titles.
# 45 MR. BAILEY: All right.
# 46 MS. SINGER: My partner is presently finishing another title so I'm just doing the story boarding.
# 47 MR. BAILEY: Let me draw your attention to September 24, 1987, nine days after you had moved to Los Angeles, and ask you if something extraordinary happened to you personally that day that you remember?
# 48 MS. SINGER: Is the kidney stone extraordinary?
# 50 MS. SINGER: Yeah. Well, I woke up--the night before I was having pains in my lower back and that morning, which is very unusual, usually there is at least one or two roommates home, no one was home. And I don't know if you have ever had a kidney stone, but it is like having birth, giving birth, and so I was rushed to the hospital. And they kept me in the emergency room in the hospital on intravenous Demerol for a while and they were hoping it would pass and that is what happened. I was in the hospital for hours.
# 51 MR. BAILEY: All right. Did the kidney stone pass sometime during the day of your admission?
# 52 MS. SINGER: During the evening it finally did.
# 53 MR. BAILEY: Was it necessary that you be kept overnight?
# 55 MR. BAILEY: All right.
# 57 MR. BAILEY: Was one of your roommates present in the hospital while you were admitted there for treatment?
# 58 MS. SINGER: Actually more than one.
# 60 MS. SINGER: Karel, who I had only known several days, but she is--you know, is very sweet of her, she came to the hospital and sat in the emergency room with another one of my roommates that found out I was over there. She stayed the whole time. And then the third roommate, well, she popped in just to see if I was okay and then left, so they--Karel and the other roommate stayed almost the entire time when Karel got off work.
# 61 MR. BAILEY: During the day was Karel in the emergency room, to your knowledge, Karel Hannak?
# 62 MS. SINGER: Well, I was being kept in the emergency room and the waiting room where people sat to wait for news about people in emergency was very close, because as high I was from the Demerol, I could hear their bracelets. I could hear their bracelets the whole time clanging together, so yes, Karel was there.
# 63 MR. BAILEY: Did you see any police officers that day?
# 64 MS. SINGER: I didn't. I wasn't seeing anything except--
# 65 MR. BAILEY: Without going into anything that she said, did you learn anything from Miss Hannak later with reference to police officers?
# 66 MS. SINGER: Well, I actually learned when I started to come out from under the Demerol, my other roommate came in and--well--
# 67 MR. BAILEY: Don't tell us what anybody said.
# 68 MS. SINGER: It is just personal--I don't have to go into that, but anyway, she mentioned--oh, I can't say what she said.
# 70 MS. SINGER: I became aware that Karel had met two police officers that had come in for other business in the hospital at that point.
# 71 MR. BAILEY: Did you go home that night?
# 72 MS. SINGER: Yes, I did.
# 74 MS. SINGER: At approximately between 8:00 and 8:30.
# 75 MR. BAILEY: Did you subsequently meet two policemen in your home that were referred to as people that were in the hospital the day you were?
# 76 MS. SINGER: That's right, yes.
# 77 MR. BAILEY: Can you tell us about how long it was after your encounter in the hospital before these policemen came to your home?
# 78 MS. SINGER: This is an approximate, but I would say about three to four weeks.
# 79 MR. BAILEY: And can you tell me--
# 80 MS. SINGER: I had been hearing about them, but I hadn't yet met them.
# 81 MR. BAILEY: All right. Did you know the names of these people by that time?
# 82 MS. SINGER: Umm, I knew especially Tom who is mark--it was Mark Fuhrman and Tom, whose name I still keep forgetting, so but it is Tom Catraino or Catrelno.
# 83 MR. BAILEY: Vettraino or Vetreano or something of that nature?
# 84 MS. SINGER: Yeah, because Karel and he were getting into this, you know, oh, he is cute, and you know, were getting to know one another, so I was hearing a lot about that, and they--then I met them when they came up.
# 85 MR. BAILEY: Without getting too personal, can you tell us basically within this two-bedroom apartment who slept where?
# 86 (No audible response.) # 87 MR. BAILEY: How were the rooms allocated?
# 88 MS. SINGER: Well, the two roommates whose names I haven't mentioned that I knew in New York shared a room and Karel and I shared a room.
# 89 MR. BAILEY: Okay. But prior to the time you moved into Karel's room?
# 90 MS. SINGER: Well, I was actually in the living room to start with, but because everybody was--in the morning they would have to pass me to come out of the bedrooms to go into the kitchen and it became a little annoying, so everyone kind of got together and said do you think we could stick her in the other bedroom, so I shared the other bedroom with Karel.
# 91 MR. BAILEY: Did that sharing begin before or after the first visit by the police officers?
# 92 MS. SINGER: Well, when I got out of the hospital I was still in the living room because I was--I would--they gave me so much Demerol I was withdrawing--I am not used to drugs, so I know I was still in there and I think a couple of days--it was definitely before I met them.
# 93 MR. BAILEY: That you moved out of the living room?
# 94 MS. SINGER: Absolutely.
# 95 MR. BAILEY: Okay. Tell me the circumstances, as best you can remember them, of your first or personal encounter with Mark Fuhrman.
# 96 MS. SINGER: I'm sorry, I didn't hear the very first two words of your question.
# 97 MR. BAILEY: Tell me the circumstances within your apartment surrounding your first encounter with Mark Fuhrman and his partner Tom?
# 98 MS. SINGER: Okay, okay. You walk in the front door and there is--there is two couches in the living room. There is a living room area. There is one couch facing that wall and there is one couch facing that wall. Karel was excited. This was going to be the first time, you know, they are coming over, and I want you to meet them, and you know, all that stuff, and they stopped by while they were on duty, because there is no other reason for a man to pick up a date with another guy, you know. They would just drop by.
# 99 MR. BAILEY: But did they say they were on duty or this is a conclusion?
# 100 MS. SINGER: No, they were on duty. Well, I mean, I--being that they had all that paraphernalia dangling off of them.
# 101 MS. CLARK: Objection, speculation.
# 102 THE COURT: Sustained. Next question.
# 103 MR. BAILEY: Okay. Without reference as to whether they were on duty or off duty, what time of day, if you can remember did, they arrive?
# 104 MS. SINGER: The first time it was dark, definitely dark.
# 105 MR. BAILEY: In the evening?
# 106 MS. SINGER: And I want to say I do--
# 108 MS. SINGER: I don't want to say anything?
# 109 THE COURT: No, you don't want to say anything except in response to a question. Mr. Bailey.
# 110 MR. BAILEY: Just try to answer the questions as tightly as you can. At some point during that evening were you sitting in proximity to Karel Hannak, Tom Veterano or Vettraino and Mark Fuhrman?
# 111 MS. SINGER: Yes, yes, yes.
# 112 MR. BAILEY: How close was the group?
# 113 MS. SINGER: Okay. Tom and Karel were sitting on this couch, (Indicating). Mark Fuhrman sat here, (Indicating). I sat here, (Indicating). I--okay, that is it. That is all I want to say. Okay.
# 114 MR. BAILEY: At some point was inquiry made by someone as to what these two officers did?
# 116 MR. BAILEY: Their work? And what was the response to the type of work that they did?
# 117 MS. SINGER: Fuhrman said "We work with gangs."
# 118 MR. BAILEY: All right.
# 119 MS. SINGER: Gang unit.
# 120 MR. BAILEY: Being very careful with your answer. Did he, in describing the gangs that he worked with, describe any particular race?
# 122 MR. BAILEY: Did he use an epithet well-known to the world that denotes black people and begins with "N"?
# 124 MR. BAILEY: What was your reaction to his use of that word on your first encounter?
# 125 (No audible response.) # 126 MR. BAILEY: How did you feel?
# 127 MS. SINGER: Well, in the context that it was in, that that word was used in, I was shocked, stunned. I never met anyone that talks that way.
# 128 MR. BAILEY: All right.
# 129 MS. SINGER: You know, so--
# 130 MR. BAILEY: Without going into the exact language, is it fair to say that the description of the way "N" people were treated was abusive?
# 131 MS. CLARK: Objection. Objection, your Honor.
# 132 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 133 MR. BAILEY: Is it fair to say that the description of the way the "N" people were treated, according to Fuhrman, was abusive?
# 134 MS. SINGER: Absolutely.
# 135 MR. BAILEY: Do you recall his saying anything at the end of that description about his reaction to that kind of treatment?
# 137 MR. BAILEY: What did he say?
# 138 MS. SINGER: He said--after he did what he said he did, he--he said, "Oh, it really relieves your tension" and then this--just this is nauseating--"It hits you here" kind of laughing looking at Tom. They were--do I stop now?
# 139 MR. BAILEY: You can stop there. Later in the conversation did he make another reference to "N" people?
# 140 MS. SINGER: Yes, he did.
# 141 MR. BAILEY: Can you tell us what he said?
# 142 (No audible response.) # 143 MR. BAILEY: You may use the "N" word, if you wish.
# 144 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.) # 145 THE COURT: Do you remember the question?
# 146 MR. BAILEY: Let me rephrase it if I may, your Honor. Did he make a reference to the African American race using a word we have discussed that begins with "N"?
# 147 MS. SINGER: And you are not referring to the first reference?
# 148 MR. BAILEY: No, no.
# 149 MS. SINGER: You are referring to that second kind of saying.
# 150 MR. BAILEY: Later in the conversation?
# 152 MR. BAILEY: What did he say?
# 153 MS. SINGER: It is okay to say that?
# 155 MS. SINGER: He said, "The only good Nigger is a dead Nigger."
# 156 MR. BAILEY: Now, did he visit thereafter when you were in the apartment with--I assume Officer--
# 157 MS. SINGER: Yes, they stopped by whenever and I--and they were on duty at times. I know that. I can't be specific which time, was it the first time, was it the second time, but I do know that they were on duty.
# 158 MS. CLARK: Objection, speculation, no foundation.
# 159 THE COURT: Sustained. Next question.
# 160 MR. BAILEY: Did you remain in the room on the subsequent visits where Mark Fuhrman was present?
# 162 MR. BAILEY: Did you engage in any further conversation with him?
# 163 MS. SINGER: No. Well, in the--
# 164 MR. BAILEY: In the room?
# 166 MR. BAILEY: When he visited?
# 168 MR. BAILEY: Did there come a time when you were--by the way, this apartment is on what floor of the building?
# 169 MS. SINGER: Two, second.
# 170 MR. BAILEY: Did there come a time sometime later that year when you were in the bathroom of that apartment and heard something out the window?
# 171 MS. SINGER: Well, yes.
# 172 MR. BAILEY: How many times, to your knowledge, your personal knowledge, had Mr. Fuhrman been in the apartment between the first encounter about three weeks after your trip to the hospital and this final encounter?
# 173 (No audible response.) # 174 MR. BAILEY: Best estimate?
# 175 MS. SINGER: The one where I have seen him where I knew for a fact he was there?
# 177 MS. SINGER: Approximately four--three to four times.
# 178 MR. BAILEY: All right. On each of those occasions did you stay out of the room where he was?
# 179 MS. SINGER: I made myself as scarce as possible, yes.
# 180 MR. BAILEY: Why did you not go in the room when Mark Fuhrman was there?
# 181 MS. SINGER: Because I was caught between a rock and a hard place. The first time he opened his mouth and said these things I wanted him out. I--in hindsight I realized I was a coward not to do it then and that I had the situation where here is a woman that is dating his partner, that is going to mess that up, you've got four girls together. It is political--is it okay to just throw this guy out? I was the new girl at the place, and--but it was--it was a topic of conversation around the house. Everyone knew that I was displeased with his presence.
KEY QUOTE # 182 MR. BAILEY: Okay. Now, on the occasion that we just mentioned where you heard something through the bathroom window--
# 184 MR. BAILEY: --did you thereafter look out the window?
# 186 MR. BAILEY: What did you see?
# 187 MS. SINGER: Well, I saw the two of them just coming out. I heard them coming out of their cars just chatting. I heard them.
# 188 MR. BAILEY: Did they have a vehicle?
# 190 MR. BAILEY: How far from the window looking down would you say the vehicle was stopped when you saw them getting out?
# 191 MS. SINGER: Oh, God. Here is the window, they were--I'm not very good at footage and measurements so--
# 192 MR. BAILEY: Can you pick out something in the courtroom of the same approximate distance?
# 193 MS. SINGER: Right. Say I'm on the second floor, I'm looking out my window, this would be their car, say around where you are.
# 194 MR. BAILEY: Within twenty, thirty feet?
# 195 MS. SINGER: Yeah, close, you know, not three blocks away.
# 196 MR. BAILEY: Okay. As they emerged from the car did you say anything to either of them?
# 197 MS. SINGER: Well, I heard them chatting so I went to the bathroom window and I said, "Hey." I said, "Hi Tom."
# 198 MR. BAILEY: After you said, "Hi, Tom," did you hear Mark Fuhrman utter anything that caught your ear?
# 199 MS. SINGER: Immediately he started talking. He has got a pretty strong tone to his voice. He started saying something and it sounded angry and nasty. His normal tone of voice actually.
# 200 MS. CLARK: Objection, no foundation.
# 201 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 202 MR. BAILEY: Just tell us what he said.
# 203 MS. CLARK: Motion to strike.
# 204 THE COURT: Excuse me. That answer is stricken. The jury is to disregard. Next question.
# 205 MR. BAILEY: Just tell us what he said.
# 206 THE COURT: Just tell us what he said.
# 207 MS. SINGER: And then he called me a--am I allowed to curse?
# 208 THE COURT: Yes, you are.
# 209 MS. SINGER: He called me a fucking bitch.
KEY QUOTE # 210 MR. BAILEY: All right. What did you do after he called you a fucking bitch?
# 211 MS. SINGER: The thought went through my head "This is it."
# 212 MR. BAILEY: What did you say?
# 213 MS. SINGER: He is out. I went to the window. I said, "I do not"--I called him an asshole.
# 214 MR. BAILEY: An asshole?
# 215 MS. SINGER: I said, "I do not want you in this house any more, nobody does. Don't come up here. You are not welcome." And it was great, because it was a great opportunity to do that.
# 216 MR. BAILEY: What, if anything, did you say with respect to Mr. Vettraino's right to come up?
# 217 MS. SINGER: I said, "You are welcome to come up here."
# 218 MR. BAILEY: Did he come?
# 219 MS. SINGER: Yes, he came in.
# 220 MR. BAILEY: Did Officer Fuhrman come in?
# 221 MS. SINGER: Oh, no.
# 222 MR. BAILEY: Did you ever see Officer Fuhrman again where you had conversation with him?
# 223 MS. SINGER: Oh, no.
# 224 MR. BAILEY: Did you ever see him again period personally?
# 225 MS. SINGER: No, not until this past year.
# 226 MR. BAILEY: Did you see him?
# 228 MR. BAILEY: Indirectly on television?
# 229 MS. SINGER: Yes, on television.
# 230 MR. BAILEY: Did you at some point become aware that he was involved in some fashion with the case against Mr. O.J. Simpson?
# 231 MS. SINGER: Could you repeat the start of that?
# 232 MR. BAILEY: Yes. Did you become aware, through the news or any other means, that Officer Fuhrman--
# 234 MR. BAILEY: --was a figure in the Simpson case?
# 236 MR. BAILEY: How did you learn that?
# 237 MS. SINGER: The minute I saw him I--I knew that that was the same man.
# 238 MR. BAILEY: Recognized him?
# 239 MS. SINGER: I saw him on television.
# 240 MR. BAILEY: Okay. Did you make an effort to contact anyone to give them the information that you have just given this jury?
# 241 MS. SINGER: Yes, I did.
# 242 MR. BAILEY: How did you go about doing that? Who did you call first?
# 243 MS. SINGER: The very first call was to Mr. Shapiro's office.
# 244 MR. BAILEY: Uh-huh.
# 245 MS. SINGER: And I'm not to this day sure that it was actually the right office or not.
# 246 MR. BAILEY: Uh-huh.
# 247 MS. SINGER: I left a message. Then I called Mr. Cochran's office and apparently they were flooded about calls about similar stuff.
# 248 MR. BAILEY: Uh-huh.
# 249 MS. SINGER: And they said, "We will get back to you." I wanted to just let them know that there is a problem with this person.
# 250 MR. BAILEY: Uh-huh.
# 251 MS. SINGER: And then I just let it go. I felt, look, you know, I don't want to spend all my time pursuing this. I just want to let them know what I know.
# 252 MR. BAILEY: All right.
# 253 THE COURT: Next question.
# 254 MS. SINGER: Next question.
# 255 MR. BAILEY: And did you call anyone thereafter at any time?
# 256 MS. SINGER: Yes, I did.
# 258 MS. SINGER: When I saw that he was--
# 259 THE COURT: Excuse me. The question was who?
# 260 MR. BAILEY: Who did you call?
# 261 MS. SINGER: Dan Leonard at your office.
# 262 MR. BAILEY: The office in Boston?
# 264 MR. BAILEY: Did you get the number through a listing?
# 266 MR. BAILEY: Without going into what was said, did you have some conversation with Mr. Leonard about your recollections relating to Mark Fuhrman?
# 268 MR. BAILEY: And did you leave your name and number?
# 270 MR. BAILEY: Were you thereafter contacted by someone who is directly affiliated with the Defense?
# 272 MR. BAILEY: And what was his name?
# 273 MS. SINGER: The next person that contacted me after Dan Leonard would be Pat McKenna.
# 274 MR. BAILEY: Pat McKenna?
# 276 MR. BAILEY: As a result of conversations that you had with Pat McKenna was an arrangement made for you and I to meet in May of 1995?
# 277 MS. SINGER: That's right.
# 278 MR. BAILEY: And did we have a meeting near your residence outside of Nashville?
# 279 MS. SINGER: That's right.
# 280 MR. BAILEY: May 2nd of this year?
# 281 MS. SINGER: May 2nd.
# 282 MR. BAILEY: Did we have some conversation about the case, without going into what was said?
# 284 MR. BAILEY: And did you relate to me at that time essentially what you have told the jury?
# 285 MS. SINGER: Essentially.
# 286 MR. BAILEY: Okay. Have you talked with anyone directly connected with the Prosecution?
# 287 MS. SINGER: You know, I don't know if he is directly--
# 288 MR. BAILEY: Strike the question. Have you talked directly with anyone connected with Mark Fuhrman?
# 290 MR. BAILEY: What was his name?
# 291 MS. SINGER: Anthony Pellicano.
# 292 MR. BAILEY: And as a result of that did you issue any invitation to him to have the Prosecution call you?
# 293 MS. SINGER: I guess you could call it an invitation. I--
# 294 MR. BAILEY: Well, did you inquire as to whether he was a member of the Prosecution or acting for--
# 295 MS. SINGER: Well, he--
# 296 MS. CLARK: Objection, your Honor.
# 297 MR. BAILEY: Don't tell us what he said.
# 298 MS. SINGER: Okay. What was your question again then?
# 299 MR. BAILEY: Did you say anything to him that you expected might lead to a call from a member of the Prosecution?
# 301 MS. CLARK: Objection. That is irrelevant, calls for speculation.
# 302 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 303 MR. BAILEY: Were you ever, prior to last Friday, requested to give an interview to anyone in connection to the Prosecution, to your knowledge?
# 305 MR. BAILEY: Have you been represented by counsel in Nashville in connection with this matter?
# 307 MR. BAILEY: Is the lawyer who has represented you a well-known figure in the legal community?
# 308 MS. SINGER: I think so. I gather that from--
# 309 MS. CLARK: Objection, speculation.
# 310 THE COURT: Sustained. It is irrelevant.
# 311 MR. BAILEY: Did you give his name to Mr. Pellicano?
# 312 MS. SINGER: At that point, no. I didn't have him at that point.
# 313 MR. BAILEY: At some point did you give his name to Mr. Pellicano?
# 314 MS. SINGER: Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, uh-huh.
# 315 MR. BAILEY: What name did you give Mr. Pellicano?
# 316 MS. SINGER: Jim Neal.
# 317 MR. BAILEY: Okay. And through Mr. Neal was it arranged that an attorney out in this area would advise you if that became necessary?
# 319 MR. BAILEY: And do you know--did you speak to that attorney after you arrived here last week?
# 320 MS. SINGER: Umm, I spoke to him once just to let him know I was here.
# 322 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.) # 323 MS. SINGER: Actually I have spoken to him twice. Judge, I actually spoke to him twice. I forgot.
# 324 THE COURT: Hold on. Mr. Bailey, Miss Singer indicates she needs to clarify her last answer.
# 325 MR. BAILEY: I'm sorry.
# 326 MS. SINGER: I actually spoke to him twice since I have been here.
# 327 MR. BAILEY: Mr. Pellicano?
# 328 MS. SINGER: No, the lawyer out here. I said once, but I meant twice.
# 329 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.) # 330 MR. BAILEY: Thank you, Miss Singer. No further questions. Your witness.