I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, SIR, WHEN WE LEFT OFF, I ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD SEEN A COPY OF THE LETTER WRITTEN BY THE WOMAN NAMED KATHLEEN BELL THAT SHE WROTE IN JULY OF 1994 TO MR. COCHRAN. I BELIEVE IT WAS JULY 19TH OF 1994 AND I WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU TO READ THAT LETTER ON THE MONITOR. COULD YOU NOW DO SO, SIR?
I TAKE IT YOU ARE ASKING DETECTIVE FUHRMAN TO READ THE PARAGRAPH THAT'S DEPICTED ON THE MONITOR?
BY MS. CLARK: FIRST OF ALL, SIR, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARAGRAPH, DID YOU VISIT A MARINE RECRUITING OFFICE LOCATED IN REDONDO BEACH IN 1985 TO -- BETWEEN 1985 AND 1986?
DO YOU REMEMBER MEETING A WOMAN NAMED KATHLEEN BELL AT THAT MARINE RECRUITING OFFICE BETWEEN 1985 AND 1986?
DID ONE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ON THIS CASE ASK YOU TO WATCH LARRY KING LIVE ON TELEVISION?
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE LAST MONTH. I THINK IT WAS THE -- THE PROGRAM SHE WAS ON JUST BEFORE THE MOST RECENT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT A MONTH.
ALL RIGHT. THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT WHAT IS BEING DISPLAYED NOW IS THE THIRD FULL PARAGRAPH.
BY MS. CLARK: AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TESTIMONY, WE REFERRED TO A PRACTICE SESSION IN WHICH THERE WERE SEVERAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS WE REFERRED TO AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TESTIMONY. THAT PRACTICE OR MOCK CROSS-EXAMINATION, DID THAT DEAL WITH THE ANTICIPATED CROSS-EXAMINATION ON THIS SUBJECT OF KATHLEEN BELL?
AND THAT CONVERSATION THAT IS DESCRIBED IN THIS LETTER FROM KATHLEEN BELL, DID THAT OCCUR, SIR?
NOW, BACK IN 1985, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU RESPONDED TO THE DEFENDANT'S HOME ON -- AT 360 ROCKINGHAM PURSUANT TO A CALL WHERE YOU SAW A WOMAN CRYING, LEANING UP AGAINST A MERCEDES BENZ. DO YOU RECALL THAT TESTIMONY, SIR?
DID YOU ATTEMPT TO PERSUADE MISS -- LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND. THE WOMAN THAT YOU SAW THERE CRYING UP AGAINST THE MERCEDES BENZ, DID YOU -- HAVE YOU SINCE DETERMINED WHO THAT WAS?
YOUR HONOR, I'M NOT HEARING THE WITNESS. COULD WE ASK HIM TO GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIKE?
BY MS. CLARK: COULD YOU HAVE CALLED YOUR SUPERVISOR TO COME AND FURTHER INVESTIGATE THE INCIDENT?
BY MS. CLARK: COULD YOU HAVE INTERVIEWED MR. SIMPSON CONCERNING THESE INCIDENT -- THAT INCIDENT?
NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DID NOT WRITE ANYTHING DOWN TO DESCRIBE THE INCIDENT IN ANY KIND OF REPORT BACK IN 1985. AT SOME POINT IN TIME THOUGH, DID -- WERE YOU -- DID YOU WRITE SOMETHING CONCERNING THAT INCIDENT?
I WROTE A LETTER TO -- IT WAS ADDRESSED TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, BUT IT WAS ADDRESSED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M SORRY. IT WASN'T ADDRESSED TO. IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OKAY. NOW, CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT THAT IS, WHAT THAT WAS? WAS IT A LETTER? WAS IT A REPORT?
IT WAS REQUESTED BY A DETECTIVE THAT WAS HANDLING A CURRENT CASE IN 1989 INVOLVING MR. AND MRS. SIMPSON.
NEXT EXHIBIT, YOUR HONOR, IS A MEMO DATED JANUARY 18TH, 1989. ASK THAT IT BE PEOPLE'S --
CAN YOU SHOW THE DATE, JONATHAN? CAN YOU MOVE IT UP AND KIND OF ENLARGE IT? THAT'S PRETTY SMALL.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I CAN'T READ THAT. CAN YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIGGER, JONATHAN? IT'S OKAY IF WE ONLY SEE HALF AT A TIME. IT'S BETTER THAT WE BE ABLE TO READ IT. ALL RIGHT. CAN EVERYBODY READ THAT?
MISS LEWIS, WOULD YOU GIVE THAT TO MRS. ROBERTSON FOR MISS HAYSLETT? MRS. ROBERTSON, MAKE A COPY FOR MISS HAYSLETT. MISS CLARK. MRS. ROBERTSON. THANK YOU, MR. DARDEN.
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION, SIR, FIRST OF ALL TO THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH. DO YOU RECALL WRITING THAT?
AND DOES THAT DESCRIBE THE EVENTS THAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED FOR THE JURY AS YOU REMEMBER THEM WHEN YOU WROTE THE MEMO?
NOW, YOU WROTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS -- OH, EXCUSE ME. YOU HAVE HERE AT THE VERY TOP LINE, SIR, A 415, FAMILY DISPUTE. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT 415 MEANS?
OKAY. NOW, YOU PUT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HERE, "IT SEEMS ODD TO REMEMBER SUCH AN EVENT, BUT IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT YOU RESPOND TO A CELEBRITY'S HOME FOR A FAMILY DISPUTE. FOR THIS REASON, THIS INCIDENT WAS INDELIBLY IMPRESSED IN MY MEMORY."
BY MS. CLARK: "INDELIBLY PRESSED IN MY MEMORY." CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT, THAT IT WAS INDELIBLY PRESSED IN YOUR MEMORY?
WELL, I HAD NEVER BEEN TO A CELEBRITY'S HOME BEFORE ON A FAMILY DISPUTE. MR. SIMPSON WAS A VERY FAMOUS MAN, AND ONCE I WALKED IN, I RECOGNIZED HIM. AND THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD MAKE IT A MEMORABLE INCIDENT.
OKAY. AND WHEN YOU WALKED ONTO THE PROPERTY OF 360 NORTH ROCKINGHAM, DID YOU IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE HIM?
AT APPROXIMATELY 8:00 P.M., I WAS IN -- EAST OF PALM DESERT IN LA QUINTA RESORT AT A PROTECTIVE LEAGUE SEMINAR.
I WAS TOLD BY MY SUPERVISOR, THE HOMICIDE COORDINATOR, DETECTIVE RON PHILLIPS, THAT WE HAD A DOUBLE HOMICIDE AND IT WAS AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY AND THAT I WOULD MEET HIM AT THE STATION AND WE WOULD GET A VEHICLE WITH A HOMICIDE KIT AND GO OUT TO THE SCENE FROM THERE.
WELL, WE COLLECTED -- NOT IMMEDIATELY. WE COLLECTED BRIEFCASES, FLASHLIGHTS, ANYTHING WE THOUGHT WE NIGHT NEED AT THE SCENE, PUT IT INTO A VEHICLE AND LEFT FROM THAT -- FROM THE STATION PARKING LOT.
WELL, WE DROVE IN OUR OWN VEHICLES TO THE STATION AND THEN PUT EVERYTHING INTO A POLICE VEHICLE AND LEFT FROM THE STATION TO GO TO THE SCENE.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE INTERSECTION OF DOROTHY AND BUNDY. I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER ACROSS TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
IT APPEARS TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BROWN DETECTIVE VEHICLE IN FRONT OF THE TWO MEN STANDING TALKING.
BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU TELL US, SIR, IF YOU NOTED WHAT THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE WAS WHEN YOU ARRIVED THAT NIGHT?
AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, YOU'VE ALREADY INDICATE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THERE WERE POLICE CARS THERE. HOW MANY, IF YOU RECALL?
I BELIEVE I SAW AT LEAST TWO BLACK AND WHITE'S WHEN I DROVE UP AND I BELIEVE WE WERE THE FIRST PLAIN OR DETECTIVE VEHICLE.
I'M NOT SURE IF I WENT -- SAW ONE DOWN THE ALLEY ON DOROTHY TO THE WEST OF THE LOCATION, BUT AT LEAST TWO -- TWO BLACK AND WHITE'S IN FRONT.
I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT LOG IN EVIDENCE, DON'T WE? IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MARKED, HASN'T IT, DEFENSE EXHIBIT? DEFENSE GOT TO IT FIRST.
BY MS. CLARK: SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEEN MARKED AS DEFENDANT'S 1006. TELL US IF YOU CAN POINT OUT YOUR NAME, SIR, AND YOUR TIME OF ARRIVAL.
IT'S THE 10TH ENTRY ON THE LOG, 010 -- 0210 HOURS. OUR DESIGNATION WAS 8W110 AND PHILLIPS AND MYSELF ARE SIGNED IN ON THAT LOG.
I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY. I KNOW THERE WAS -- THERE WERE NONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF BUNDY AROUND THE FRONT OF THE LOCATION, BUT I WASN'T SURE ON THE EAST SIDE.
SERGEANT ROSSI AND I BELIEVE SERGEANT COON, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF HE WAS THERE AT THAT TIME FOR ME TO SEE OR IT WAS A LITTLE LATER, MAYBE A HALF HOUR LATER.
YES. IT SHOWS SERGEANT COON ON THE THIRD LINE ARRIVING AT 0030 HOURS, WHICH WOULD BE 12:30 A.M.
NOW, WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE CRIME SCENE WHEN YOU FOUND IT, WHEN YOU GOT THERE AT 2:10?
WELL, THE STREETS HAD BEEN BLOCKED OFF WITH CRIME TAPE AND POLICE VEHICLES. WE WERE ADVISED THAT CERTAIN STREETS AND ALLEYWAYS HAD BEEN BLOCKED OFF. THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE HAD BEEN TAPED OFF AND SECURED ALL THE WAY TO DOROTHY AND TO THE NEXT STREET TO THE NORTH. THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEYWAY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RESIDENCE HAD BEEN BLOCKED OFF WITH POLICEMEN AT BOTH LOCATIONS TO MAKE SURE NOBODY ENTERED THE CRIME SCENE FROM EITHER DIRECTION.
YES. I BELIEVE SERGEANT ROSSI WAS CONTACTED FIRST. RISKE CAME UP WHILE WE WERE SPEAKING TO HIM.
WELL, ALMOST -- ALMOST ALWAYS, A PATROL OFFICER IS THE FIRST OFFICER TO RESPOND TO A HOMICIDE SCENE. USUALLY IT'S FROM A RADIO CALL AND THEY'RE THE FIRST ONES THERE.
THE FIRST AND FOREMOST FUNCTION WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POSSIBLE VICTIMS ARE IN FACT VICTIMS AND HAVE EXPIRED SO TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE OF RESUSCITATION OR SAVING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OR PERSON THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD. THE SECOND WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUSPECT EITHER HAS BEEN FOUND, LOCATED AND ARRESTED OR HE IS NOT AT THE SCENE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE SCENE IS SECURE FROM SUSPECTS AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE, AFTER THOSE TWO FUNCTIONS, IS PROTECT THE CRIME SCENE AND ANY EVIDENCE FOR THE DETECTIVES IN THEIR INVESTIGATION.
WELL, I'D PROBABLY SAY IT WOULD -- CONSERVATIVELY, A HUNDRED FIFTY TO 200, AND GENEROUSLY, PROBABLY MORE THAN 250 TO 300.
OKAY. AND WHEN I SAY APPEARED AT, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT KIND OF FUNCTIONS YOU PERFORMED IN THOSE CASES, HOMICIDE SCENES YOU'VE APPEARED AT?
WELL, FROM EARLY IN MY CAREER, TO RESPONDING JUST AS OFFICER RISKE DID TO A RADIO CALL TO ASSISTING AND BEING PART OF HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS TO BEING A PRIMARY INVOLVED INVESTIGATING THE HOMICIDE.
HAVE YOU EVER GUARDED THE PERIMETER; THAT IS, GUARDED THE CRIME SCENE TAPE AT A HOMICIDE SCENE?
HAVE YOU EVER DOOR KNOCKED IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE CRIME SCENE AREA TO LOOK FOR WITNESSES?
I'VE BEEN A PRIMARY ON FIVE. I RESPONDED PROBABLY TO 10, MAYBE 15, SOME WHEN I WAS WORKING ROBBERY.
OKAY. NOW THEN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, SIR, WHO DO YOU EXPECT TO ARRIVE AT A HOMICIDE SCENE BEFORE THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER OR HANDLING DETECTIVES DO?
WHAT OFFICERS THEY FELT THAT WAS NECESSARY TO SEAL OFF THE SCENE PROPERLY. I WOULD ALSO EXPECT TO SEE A SUPERVISOR IF NOT THE WATCH COMMANDER. I MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE A COMMAND STAFF OFFICER OR THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE DIVISION, EITHER BE IT DETECTIVES OR PATROL.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SIR, WHEN YOU RESPONDED TO 875 SOUTH BUNDY, IN WHAT CAPACITY WERE YOU RESPONDING TO THAT SCENE?
I EXPECTED THE SCENE TO BE SECURED, DEATH TO BE PRONOUNCED TO THE VICTIMS, THE OFFICER TO SECURE THE LOCATION, PROTECT THE EVIDENCE, TO MAKE MENTAL NOTES OF WHERE CERTAIN THINGS WERE AND TO HELP ASSIST ME IN FINDING A PATH INTO THE -- A SCENE -- EXCUSE ME -- INTO THE SCENE.
THE EASIEST ROUTE TO DISTURB THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE SO THE SCENE CAN BE INVESTIGATED.
THEN I TAKE IT, WAS IT YOUR EXPECTATION, SIR, THAT SOMEONE, AT LEAST ONE OFFICER WOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CRIME SCENE AND EXAMINED THE EVIDENCE AS IT LAY -- THE BODIES AS THEY LAY AND LOOKED AROUND IN GENERAL?
UH-HUH. WAS IT -- DID YOU EXPECT -- DID YOU HAVE ANY EXPECTATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE IMMEDIATE CRIME SCENE AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED THROUGH FOR SUSPECTS?
AND DID YOU HAVE ANY EXPECTATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE AREA, THE IMMEDIATE CRIME SCENE AREA WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED THROUGH FOR WEAPONS?
AND THEN OF COURSE, FOR -- WAS IT ALSO YOUR EXPECTATION THAT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE ALREADY -- AT LEAST ONE OFFICER, IF NOT SEVERAL, WOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CRIME SCENE TO LOOK AND SEE WHERE THE EVIDENCE WAS AND WHAT IT WAS?
NOW, KNOWING THE POSSIBLE IDENTITY OF THE -- ONE OF THE VICTIMS, SIR, DID YOU HAVE ANY EXPECTATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE ANY HIGH-RANKING POLICE OFFICERS ALREADY AT THE SCENE OR COMING TO THE SCENE?
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD BE A CAPTAIN THAT PROBABLY ARRIVED AT LEAST. OF COURSE, THAT HAPPENS WITH QUITE A FEW HOMICIDES. BUT I EXPECTED TO SEE SOME COMMAND OFFICERS, YES.
AND WAS THAT -- WHY WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT BASED ON THE IDENTITY, POSSIBLE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS?
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE JUST THAT. I THINK A DOUBLE HOMICIDE WOULD PROBABLY -- I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE FOR SURE THAT THE DETECTIVES' CO, COMMANDING OFFICER, WOULD ARRIVE, MAYBE THE AREA CO, CAPTAIN.
THE AREA COMMANDING OFFICER. IN OTHER WORDS, THE WEST L.A. COMMANDING OFFICER. MAYBE THE OFFICER OF THE DAY, WHICH COULD BE A CAPTAIN OR COMMANDER AND QUITE POSSIBLY MAYBE EVEN A DEPUTY CHIEF.
WELL, THAT AND THEN COUPLED WITH THE POSSIBLE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE VICTIMS, I WOULD GUESS THAT IT WOULD BE HAPPENING, YES.
OFFICER RISKE EXPLAINED WHAT HE HAD FOUND, HOW HE ARRIVED AT THE SCENE. IT WAS A VERY GENERAL DESCRIPTION AT THAT POINT. HE GAVE AN INDICATION THAT HE RECEIVED A CALL OF A BURGLAR, A POSSIBLE BURGLAR THERE NOW OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN HE WENT ON TO SAY HOW HE DISCOVERED THE FRONT OF THE LOCATION AND THE BODIES.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY LOOKING DUE WEST FROM THE -- PROBABLY THE PARKWAY INTO THE WALKWAY OF THE RESIDENCE. THE FRONT GATE IS OPEN.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US THE ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU -- THAT OFFICER RISKE TOOK YOU UP AND SHOWED YOU? GUIDE THE POINTER, IF YOU WILL.
THE POINTER WOULD -- WOULD HAVE TO START OFF SCREEN TO THE LEFT GOING AT AN ANGLE FARTHER UP.
WELL, WE STOPPED AT THE LOCATION WHERE THE GATE POST IS ALMOST -- YOU COULD SEE THE ENTRYWAY.
AND COULD WE PUT AN "X" WHERE YOU WERE STANDING? WOULD THAT BE AT THE END OF THE LINE, SIR?
YES. OFFICER RISKE WOULD BE IN THE FRONT, DETECTIVE PHILLIPS BEHIND HIM AND MYSELF IN THE BACK.
LET'S GO RIGHT TO THE RIGHT ARROW TO THE RIGHT. LITTLE MORE. PROBABLY IN THAT AREA THERE (INDICATING).
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND OFFICER RISKE WOULD HAVE BEEN, AS WE FACE THAT PHOTOGRAPH, TO THE RIGHT OF THE ARROW?
YES. I BELIEVE TWO DOUBLE A BATTERIES AND ADJUSTABLE HEAD SO YOU COULD MAKE IT A WIDE BEAM OR A VERY NARROW BEAM.
NOW, WHAT -- IS THERE ANY RULE, SIR, REGARDING CRIME SCENE EXAMINATIONS CONCERNING HOW YOU GET ACCESS TO THEM, WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO, HOW MANY PEOPLE, THAT SORT OF THING?
WELL, AS FEW AS POSSIBLE. THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST RULE. AND YOU WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE PEOPLE WITHOUT DESTROYING ANY EVIDENCE.
SO WHEN YOU WERE STANDING UP ON THE -- IN THE -- WAS THAT OUT IN THE SHRUBBERY YOU WERE STANDING THERE?
WE COULD SEE A FEMALE VICTIM IN A BLACK DRESS LYING AS IS DEPICTED IN THE PHOTO, HEAD TO ALMOST DUE NORTH, FEET ALMOST DUE SOUTH SOMEWHAT FACE DOWN IN A POOL OF BLOOD. IT APPEARED THAT THAT BLOOD WAS FLOWING DOWN THE WALKWAY PREDOMINATELY IN THE CRACKS OF THE TILED WALKWAY.
YES. IT -- I CAN'T RECALL IF IT WAS ACTUAL TILE OR A PRESS THAT THEY PUT INTO THE CONCRETE TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT WAY, BUT THERE WAS RECESSES BETWEEN THE SQUARES.
ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT OTHER THAN THE FEMALE VICTIM?
FIRST, YOUR HONOR, MAY THE PRINT OF THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN BE MARKED PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT 42-B?
YOUR HONOR, NEXT PHOTO IS PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 59. THE FEED WILL HAVE TO REMAIN TO BE CUT.
BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT, SIR. DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS SCENE, DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE?
IS THAT THE CONDITION IN WHICH YOU SAW THE SCENE WHEN YOU RESPONDED ON THE NIGHT OF -- EARLY MORNING HOURS ACTUALLY OF JUNE THE 13TH?
WERE YOU ABLE TO -- PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE AS OFFICER RISKE POINTED IT OUT TO YOU.
YES. THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, YES. OFFICER RISKE ALSO USED HIS FLASHLIGHT IN THE -- THE BUSH WITH THE LONG LEAVES AT THE FEET OF THE MALE VICTIM. HE POINTED HIS FLASHLIGHT AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A KNIT CAP AND A GLOVE THERE ALSO.
I WAS ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING. IT WAS PRETTY HARD TO MAKE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE FROM THAT ANGLE.
AT THAT TIME, WE ASKED OFFICER RISKE IF THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY WE COULD COME INTO THIS CRIME SCENE.
IT WAS -- WE WOULD HAVE TO STEP ONTO THE SIDEWALK WHERE ALL THE BLOOD WAS TO GET INTO THE CRIME SCENE OR TOUCH THE FENCE WHICH WE WERE STANDING NEXT TO TO GET AROUND THAT. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE PREFERRED TO GO IN ANOTHER WAY IF WE COULD.
WE RETRACED OUR STEPS BACKWARD. WE HAD A DISCUSSION. OFFICER RISKE, SAID, WELL, WE CAN GO IN THROUGH THE ALLEY THROUGH THE BACK OF THE RESIDENCE. WE WERE PLEASED WITH THAT. SO WE WALKED BACK DOWN BUNDY SOUTH AND WEST ON DOROTHY AND THEN TO THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY, WHICH WAS TAPED OFF, AND WE APPROACHED THE REAR OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY.
OKAY. NOW, AS YOU WALKED UP THE GRASSY OR SHRUBBERY AREA WHICH WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH OF THE WALKWAY, THAT'S THE FRONT WALKWAY LEADING FROM THE SIDEWALK UP TO THE FRONT STEPS --
DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE WERE ANY -- WHETHER THERE WERE ANY SHOEPRINTS ON THAT BLOOD ON THE FRONT WALKWAY?
OKAY. DID YOU LOOK ON THE SIDEWALK -- YOU SAID YOU WALKED DOWN THE SIDEWALK SOUTH ON BUNDY AND THEN WEST ON DOROTHY?
OKAY. DID YOU SEE ANYTHING -- WELL, STRIKE THAT. WHY DID YOU WALK IN THE STREET? WHY NOT ON THE SIDEWALK?
THE BLOOD EMPTIED ONTO THE SIDEWALK AND THERE WAS PAW PRINTS, CANINE PRINTS LEADING SOUTH ON THE SIDEWALK IN THE BLOOD.
WE WENT WEST ON DOROTHY STREET TO THE OPENING TO THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY THAT LED BEHIND 875 SOUTH BUNDY.
BY MS. CLARK: NOW, WHO WERE YOU WALKING -- I AM SORRY, SIR. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU LEFT THE AREA RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE MAILBOX, WENT DOWN THE SHRUBBERY AND OUT TO THE STREET. AND WHO WAS WITH YOU AT THAT TIME?
WHEN YOU WENT OUT INTO THE STREET AND WALKED SOUTH ON BUNDY AND WEST ON DOROTHY, WHO WAS WITH YOU?
OFFICER RISKE WAS IN THE LEAD -- HE WENT UNDER THE TAPE AND SHOWED US WHERE TO WALK -- DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND MYSELF.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS, BUT IT'S NOT DEPICTED IN THE PHOTO, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE, YES.
IT'S THE OPEN GARAGE OF THE REAR OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY, A BLACK JEEP CHEROKEE SITTING IN THE DRIVEWAY. JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE CHEROKEE IS THE ENTRANCE TO A WALKWAY THAT LEADS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENCE.
DID YOU FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE GARAGE DOOR HAD INITIALLY BEEN OPEN OR CLOSED WHEN HE ARRIVED?
BY MR. CLARK: YOU DESCRIBED THE WHITE FERRARI IN THE PAST TWO PHOTOGRAPHS. DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT WAS SHOWN?
NOW, THE AREA TO THE RIGHT OF THE FERRARI IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT AS A PATH THAT YOU TOOK?
YES. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PATH THAT LEADS TO THE DOOR THAT LEADS INTO THE BOTTOM REAR OF THE RESIDENCE.
I ENTERED THE OPEN DOOR OF THE REAR OF THE RESIDENCE. OFFICER RISKE POINTED OUT SOME ICE CREAM THAT WAS ON THE BANISTER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS.
WE WALKED UP THE STAIRS THAT WERE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THAT DOOR WHICH LED INTO A WALKWAY WHICH PASSED THE KITCHEN ON THE NORTH, A SOLID WALL ON THE RIGHT WHERE I BELIEVE THE TELEPHONE WAS AND SOME PICTURES WHICH LED INTO A LIVING ROOM AREA WITH AN OPEN FRONT DOOR AND A DINING ROOM AREA TO THE LEFT OR NORTH.
DURING THAT FIRST WALK THROUGH, SIR, DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER THERE WERE ANY OBVIOUS SIGNS OF DISTURBANCE OR RANSACKING OR STRUGGLE?
NOW, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOMETHING ABOUT ROBBERY, WORKING ROBBERIES. DID YOU EVER WORK ANY BURGLARY CASES?
AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, SIR, HOW MANY BURGLARY CASES APPROXIMATELY OR RESIDENTIAL ROBBERY CASES HAVE YOU WORKED?
DID YOU OBSERVE ANYTHING INSIDE THIS HOUSE THAT LOOKED CONSISTENT WITH RANSACKING OR BURGLARY?
YOU INDICATED YOU SAW PICTURES. DO YOU RECALL SEEING A PIECE OF ART WORK ON THE WALL OF THE LIVING ROOM INSIDE THAT CONDO?
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE DINING ROOM AREA ON THE NORTH WALL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A LITHOGRAPH OR A POSTER. IT WAS OF O.J. SIMPSON AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN BLACK AND WHITE.
OFFICER RISKE WAS DIRECTING US AND SEEING THAT -- I CAN'T RECALL IF HE SAID THAT THE DOOR WAS WIDE OPEN, BUT IT WAS AT THIS POINT. HE WALKED US ONTO THE LANDING, AND AS HE WALKED ONTO THE LANDING, HE SHINED HIS FLASHLIGHT ON HEEL PRINTS, FOOTPRINTS, SHOEPRINTS IN BLOOD AND POINTED OUT AT LEAST ONE DROP OF BLOOD TO THE LEFT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T STEP IN THAT AREA.
SORRY. PEOPLE'S EXHIBIT NO. 35. I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE IT'S 55, YOUR HONOR, AND YOU'LL NEED TO CUT THE FEED FOR THIS PHOTO.
IT APPEARS THAT IT'S TAKEN FROM THE LANDING THAT YOU WOULD WALK OUT ONTO FROM THE FRONT DOOR. LOOKING DOWN ON THE FEMALE VICTIM, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING IN A NORTH -- NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION.
DOES THIS DESCRIBE WHAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE? THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS PRETTY DARK, BUT WERE YOU ABLE TO GET THIS VIEW OF THE BODIES AND THE EVIDENCE FROM WHERE YOU WERE STANDING AT THE TOP OF THE LANDING WITH DETECTIVE PHILLIPS AND OFFICER RISKE?
OFFICER RISKE WAS. HE WAS USING HIS TO POINT OUT ANY EVIDENCE OR ANYTHING OF VALUE THAT HE WANTED TO SHOW US.
ARE THESE PICTURES GETTING DARKER, YOUR HONOR, OR IS IT MY IMAGINATION? THEY SEEM -- MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. MAYBE I NEED GLASSES.
I THINK IT APPEARS TO BE -- THOUGH IT LOOKS OKAY TO ME. MY TECHNICAL STAFF TELLS ME IT'S NOT DEGRADED.
THE FOREMOST IN THE PICTURE IS A GLOVE AND ABOVE IT APPEARS TO BE A DARK BLUE KNIT CAP.
KEY QUOTENOW, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU SAW THOSE TWO ITEMS IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO DETECT WHAT THEY WERE?
FROM THAT LANDING, OFFICER RISKE SHINED HIS LIGHT ON THOSE ONCE AGAIN SHOWING SEVERAL OBJECTS THAT HE HAD PREVIOUSLY SEEN.
OKAY. AND IT -- WAS HE THE ONE WHO POINTED OUT THE GLOVE AND THE CAP UNDERNEATH THE BUSH TO YOU?
I BELIEVE HE POINTED OUT A WHITE ENVELOPE THAT WAS JUST SOUTH OF THE MALE VICTIM CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK. HE POINTED OUT A -- HE POINTED OUT A PAGER. I BELIEVE I OBSERVED A MENU BELOW THE FEMALE VICTIM. I'M NOT SURE IF I DETERMINED IT WAS A MENU AT THAT POINT, BUT I SAW SOMETHING. AND HE MADE A POINT TO SHOW US HEEL PRINTS AND SHOEPRINTS THAT APPEARED TO BE IMPRINTED IN BLOOD THAT WERE LEADING WESTBOUND FROM THAT SCENE.
SO AT THAT TIME, WERE YOU ABLE TO DETECT ANY SHOEPRINTS NEAR THE EVIDENCE OF THE HAT AND THE GLOVE?
IN ORDER TO SEE, TO DISCERN WHAT THOSE ITEMS WERE UNDERNEATH THE BUSH, WAS IT NECESSARY TO USE THE LIGHT OF THE FLASHLIGHT?
DID THE CONVERSATION KATHLEEN BELL DESCRIBES IN THIS LETTER OCCUR? NO, IT DID NOT.
IT WAS VERY NEAT, VERY CLEAN, STERILE ALMOST.
IT'S NOT EVERY DAY THAT YOU RESPOND TO A CELEBRITY'S HOME FOR A FAMILY DISPUTE. FOR THIS REASON, THIS INCIDENT WAS INDELIBLY PRESSED IN MY MEMORY.
THE PAW PRINTS WERE IN BLOOD.
THE FOREMOST IN THE PICTURE IS A GLOVE AND ABOVE IT APPEARS TO BE A DARK BLUE KNIT CAP.