Redirect examination of Det. Tom Lange (morning, part 1)

📄 Redirect examination of Det. Tom Lange (morning, part 1) — Tuesday, March 7, 1995

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▲ Day 32 of 167

◀ Cross-examination of Det. Tom Lange Sidebar: trace evidence analysis ▶

Witness: Det. Tom Lange
Examiner: Marcia Clark
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Tuesday, March 7, 1995 • Utterances: 232

Marcia Clark conducts redirect examination of Detective Tom Lange, covering several topics raised in cross: the Reeboks OJ pointed out (size 12, no blood, wrong sole pattern), the green paper found in Ron Goldman's clothing bag (clarifying it was not planted by police), the booking date discrepancy between June 13 and June 15 for seized items, and the chain of custody for OJ's blood vial. Clark also briefly probed the knit cap hair analysis before Cochran objected heavily at the close.

# 1 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK.

# 2

REDIRECT EXAMINATION

# 3

BY MS. CLARK:

# 4 Q:

DETECTIVE LANGE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE REEBOKS FOR A MINUTE, SIR. WHAT SIZE WERE THEY?

# 5 A:

SIZE 12.

# 6 Q:

AND WERE YOU AWARE OF THE SIZE OF THE -- ARE YOU AWARE OF THE SIZE OF THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS AT BUNDY?

# 7 A:

YES.

# 8 Q:

AND WHAT SIZE ARE THEY?

# 9 A:

SIZE 12.

# 10 Q:

NOW, THE SOLE PATTERN OF THE REEBOKS, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, DID NOT MATCH THE PATTERN OF THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS FOUND AT BUNDY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 11 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT AS LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE, YOUR HONOR.

# 12 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

# 13 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, SIR, WHETHER THE SOLE PATTERN OF THE REEBOKS THAT YOU SEIZED FROM ROCKINGHAM ON JUNE 13 MATCHES THE SOLE PATTERN FOUND FROM THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS AT BUNDY?

# 14 A:

YES, I DO.

# 15 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION. THEY WERE POINTED OUT TO HIM, YOUR HONOR. TESTIMONY.

# 16 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

# 17 MS. CLARK:

CERTAINLY, YOUR HONOR.

# 18 Q:

THE REEBOKS THAT WERE POINTED OUT TO YOU AT ROCKINGHAM ON JUNE 13, WHICH YOU TOOK INTO CUSTODY, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER THOSE SOLE PATTERNS MATCHED THE SOLE PATTERNS OF THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS FOUND AT BUNDY?

# 19 A:

YES.

# 20 Q:

AND DO THEY?

# 21 A:

THEY DO NOT.

# 22 Q:

NOW, WHO POINTED THOSE SHOES OUT TO YOU?

# 23 A:

MR. SIMPSON, THE DEFENDANT.

# 24 Q:

AND PURSUANT TO WHAT? HOW DID HE HAPPEN TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU? DID YOU ASK HIM A QUESTION?

# 25 A:

I ASKED MR. SIMPSON IF HE RECALLED WHAT SHOES HE WAS WEARING THE PREVIOUS EVENING AND HE POINTED THEM OUT AND STATED HE BELIEVED THAT THOSE MIGHT BE THE SHOES THAT HE HAD ON.

KEY QUOTE

# 26 Q:

AND BASED UPON THAT YOU TOOK THEM INTO CUSTODY?

# 27 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 28 Q:

BUT IN FACT THE PATTERN DID NOT MATCH THE SHOEPRINTS AT BUNDY?

# 29 MR. COCHRAN:

LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE. ASKED AND ANSWERED.

# 30 MS. CLARK:

FOUNDATIONAL.

# 31 MR. COCHRAN:

MOVE TO STRIKE.

# 32 THE COURT:

IT IS LEADING.

# 33 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: BUT THE SHOE PATTERN OF THE SHOES THAT HE POINTED OUT TO YOU CLAIMING THAT HE HAD WORN THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE, DID THEY MATCH THE SHOE PATTERN OF THE BLOODY SHOEPRINT AT BUNDY?

# 34 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THE QUESTION AS ASKED AND ANSWERED, YOUR HONOR.

# 35 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 36 DET. TOM LANGE:

NO, THEY DID NOT.

# 37 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO ALSO TEST THEM FOR BLOOD? IS THAT WHY YOU TOOK THEM INTO CUSTODY, SIR?

# 38 A:

THAT IS ONE REASON.

# 39 MR. COCHRAN:

LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE AGAIN, YOUR HONOR. LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE. HER WITNESS.

# 40 MS. CLARK:

I'M SORRY. OKAY.

# 41 THE COURT:

SLOW DOWN. WE'VE GOT ALL DAY.

# 42 MS. CLARK:

THAT IS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO AVOID, BUT OKAY.

# 43 Q:

SIR, WHY DID YOU TAKE THOSE SHOES INTO CUSTODY?

# 44 A:

BECAUSE MR. SIMPSON SAID HE BELIEVED THOSE MIGHT BE THE SHOES HE HAD ON THE NIGHT BEFORE. I WANTED TO DETERMINE THE SIZE OF THOSE SHOES AND I WANTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY MIGHT CONTAIN BLOOD.

# 45 Q:

AND IS THAT -- SO YOU TOOK THEM, I THINK YOU TESTIFIED EARLIER, TO SID?

# 46 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 47 Q:

AND WHAT TIME DID YOU TAKE THEM IN?

# 48 A:

I ARRIVED AT SID THE FOLLOWING MORNING AT APPROXIMATELY 7:00 A.M.

# 49 Q:

OKAY. WHAT TEST DID YOU REQUEST BE PERFORMED ON THEM?

# 50 A:

A PRESUMPTIVE BLOOD TEST.

# 51 Q:

AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THE RESULTS OF THAT TEST, SIR?

# 52 A:

YES.

# 53 Q:

AND WHAT ARE THE RESULTS?

# 54 A:

NEGATIVE.

# 55 Q:

NO BLOOD?

# 56 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 57 Q:

DO YOU -- EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. MAY I HAVE A MOMENT?

# 58 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)

# 59 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: YOU WERE -- YOU WERE ASKED EARLIER ABOUT A GREEN PIECE OF PAPER FOUND IN THE GROCERY BAG CONTAINING RON GOLDMAN'S CLOTHING THAT HE WORE AT MEZZALUNA ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12TH?

# 60 THE COURT:

TIME OUT. TIME OUT. I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK THE GOLDMANS TO STEP OUT.

# 61 MS. CLARK:

OH, YES. I'M SORRY, YOUR HONOR.

# 62 THE COURT:

SORRY, FOLKS.

# 63 (THE GOLDMAN FAMILY EXITS THE COURTROOM.)

# 64 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK.

# 65 MS. CLARK:

THANK YOU.

# 66 Q:

DO YOU RECALL THAT, SIR?

# 67 A:

YES.

# 68 Q:

AND THAT GREEN PIECE OF PAPER, WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE TO YOU?

# 69 A:

LOOKED LIKE A SHOPPING LIST.

# 70 Q:

AND DO YOU -- ARE YOU PRESENTLY AWARE OF THE -- OF WHERE THAT CAME FROM?

# 71 A:

YES.

# 72 Q:

AND WHERE IS THAT?

# 73 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, IS HE PRESENTLY AWARE. THE QUESTION WAS WAS HE AWARE WHEN I ASKED HIM YESTERDAY, YOUR HONOR. I WOULD LIKE TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.

# 74 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 75 DET. TOM LANGE:

I WAS APPROACHED BY --

# 76 MR. COCHRAN:

THIS IS HEARSAY, YOUR HONOR.

# 77 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM, SIR?

# 78 A:

YES.

# 79 MR. COCHRAN:

HEARSAY.

# 80 THE COURT:

HE CAN SAY THAT HE KNOWS WHERE IT CAME FROM, YES OR NO. WHAT THE ANSWER IS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE HEARSAY. HE CAN SAY YES OR NO, HE IS AWARE.

# 81 DET. TOM LANGE:

YES.

# 82 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: ARE YOU THE SOURCE OF THAT, SIR?

# 83 A:

NO.

# 84 Q:

AND THE GROCERY BAG IN WHICH THE CLOTHING WAS CONTAINED, DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDE THAT GROCERY BAG?

# 85 A:

NO.

# 86 Q:

THE CLOTHES AND THE CONTENTS OF RON GOLDMAN'S APARTMENT, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT -- WHAT WAS DONE WITH THEM?

# 87 A:

AS FAR AS THE CLOTHING, MOST OF THE ITEMS OF CLOTHING WERE PICKED UP BY THE FAMILY.

# 88 Q:

AND SO THE FAMILY TOOK THE ITEMS OF CLOTHING?

# 89 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT. THIS IS LEADING AND SUGGESTIVE AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE TESTIMONY IS, YOUR HONOR.

# 90 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. REPHRASE THE QUESTION, PLEASE.

# 91 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: YES. WHO TOOK THE ITEMS OF CLOTHING OUT OF RON GOLDMAN'S APARTMENT?

# 92 A:

THE GOLDMAN FAMILY.

# 93 Q:

AND YOU SAW YESTERDAY THE CLOTHING THAT WAS IN THE SHOPPING BAG?

# 94 A:

YES.

# 95 Q:

OKAY. WAS THAT CLOTHING EVER IN POLICE CUSTODY?

# 96 A:

NO.

# 97 Q:

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW THAT --

# 98 MR. COCHRAN:

MOVE TO STRIKE THAT LAST ANSWER, WAS THAT CLOTHING EVER IN POLICE CUSTODY, YOUR HONOR. THAT IS VAGUE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

# 99 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 100 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: DO YOU HAPPEN TO -- DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW THAT CLOTHING CAME INTO THE PRESENCE OF THIS COURTROOM?

# 101 THE COURT:

HAVEN'T WE HAD TESTIMONY FROM MISS GOLDMAN ABOUT THIS?

# 102 (NODS HEAD UP AND DOWN.)

# 103 THE COURT:

I THINK THE JURY KNOWS WHERE THE CLOTHES CAME FROM.

# 104 MS. CLARK:

OKAY. WELL, THEN PERHAPS I SHOULD ADVISE THE COURT AND COUNSEL THAT THE NEXT WITNESS WILL BE PATTY GOLDMAN. OKAY? COUNSEL?

# 105 MR. COCHRAN:

I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

# 106 MS. CLARK:

THE NEXT WITNESS WILL BE PATTY GOLDMAN.

# 107 MR. COCHRAN:

FINE.

# 108 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)

# 109 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF SHOE CREATED THE SHOEPRINT FOUND -- THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS?

# 110 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK. I'M SORRY. ARE WE DONE WITH THE CLOTHES?

# 111 MS. CLARK:

YES, WE ARE. WE CAN LET THE GOLDMANS BACK IN.

# 112 THE COURT:

MS. MORAN, WOULD YOU INVITE THE GOLDMANS BACK IN, PLEASE. MISS CLARK.

# 113 MS. CLARK:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

# 114 Q:

ARE YOU AWARE THE TYPE OF SHOE THAT CREATED THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS FOUND AT BUNDY?

# 115 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, I OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THIS, AND IT IS IMPROPER.

# 116 THE COURT:

I THINK YOU CAN ASK HAS HE CONDUCTED INVESTIGATION REGARDING THE TYPE OF SHOE.

# 117 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: HAVE YOU CONDUCTED INVESTIGATION REGARDING THE KIND OF SHOE THAT CREATED THE BLOODY SHOEPRINTS FOUND AT BUNDY, SIR?

# 118 A:

YES, I AM.

# 119 Q:

AND WHAT KIND OF SHOE IS THAT?

# 120 MR. COCHRAN:

HEARSAY. JUST A MOMENT. HEARSAY. MAY WE APPROACH ON THIS? HEARSAY.

# 121 THE COURT:

CALLS FOR A CONCLUSION AT THIS POINT AND I THINK WE ARE ASSUMING FACTS THAT AREN'T IN EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT.

# 122 MS. CLARK:

THAT IS TRUE. WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IT, THOUGH.

# 123 MR. COCHRAN:

GET TO IT IN DUE TIME, YOUR HONOR.

# 124 THE COURT:

I WILL SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION AT THIS POINT. I'M SURE WE WILL LEARN A LOT ABOUT SHOES.

# 125 MS. CLARK:

THAT IS TRUE. I MEAN, WE WILL.

# 126 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN THE DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEYS.)

# 127 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: SIR, YOU INDICATED THAT -- EXCUSE ME. YOU INDICATED THAT YOU DID NOT DIAGRAM ANY OF THE BLOOD ON THE REAR GATE AT BUNDY?

# 128 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 129 Q:

OKAY. YOU DID CREATE -- DID YOU CREATE DIAGRAMS OF THE BUNDY LOCATION, SIR?

# 130 A:

YES.

# 131 Q:

AND THAT IS PART OF YOUR CRIME SCENE NOTES?

# 132 A:

YES.

# 133 Q:

DID YOU DIAGRAM ON THOSE NOTES ANYWHERE ANY OF THE BLOOD THAT WAS FOUND AT THE SCENE AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?

# 134 A:

NO.

# 135 Q:

NOW, IT WAS INDICATED IN YOUR NOTES THAT YOU SAW TWO DIMES AND TWO PENNIES AT THE REAR DRIVEWAY OF 875 SOUTH BUNDY. DO YOU RECALL THAT, SIR?

# 136 A:

YES.

# 137 Q:

YOU ALSO REVIEWED ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS, DID YOU?

# 138 A:

YES.

# 139 Q:

IN ANY OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS DID YOU SEE TWO DIMES AND TWO PENNIES?

# 140 A:

NO, THAT IS A MISTAKE, AND I ERRED IN WRITING TWO DOWN.

# 141 Q:

SO THAT WAS A MISTAKE YOU MADE IN YOUR NOTES?

# 142 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 143 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING?

KEY QUOTE

# 144 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, THAT IS SELF-SERVING. WE CAN ALL SEE HIM.

# 145 THE COURT:

OVERRULED. OVERRULED.

# 146 DET. TOM LANGE:

I DO MAKE MISTAKES.

# 147 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: NOW, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU BOOKED THE CHANGE AND THAT --

# 148 THE COURT:

MR. COCHRAN, I HEARD THE COMMENT.

# 149 MR. COCHRAN:

WHAT COMMENT? I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

# 150 THE COURT:

I HEARD THE COMMENT.

# 151 MR. COCHRAN:

I DIDN'T MAKE ANY COMMENT, YOUR HONOR.

# 152 THE COURT:

I HEARD THE COMMENT. PROCEED.

# 153 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: YOU BOOKED THE CHANGE AND THE BANANA LABEL, THAT LABEL THAT YOU POINTED OUT THIS PICTURE, YOU INDICATED YOU BOOKED THEM ON JUNE 15TH?

# 154 A:

THEY WERE ACTUALLY BOOKED BY THE CRIMINALIST, YES.

# 155 Q:

OKAY. COULD YOU -- WERE THEY SEIZED ON THE 13TH, SIR, THOSE ITEMS?

# 156 A:

YES, YES.

# 157 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO TELL US HOW THAT WORKS? WHY IS IT THAT IT WAS SEIZED ON THE 13TH BUT THE PAPERWORK SHOWS BOOKING ON THE 15TH?

# 158 A:

WHEN THE CRIMINALIST SEIZES AN ITEM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IT IS IN POLICE CUSTODY AND BOOKED. IT IS JUST NOT ADMINISTRATIVELY CORRECT UNTIL THEY -- A NUMBER IS ASSIGNED AND IT GETS PLACED INTO AN ENVIRONMENT AND LOGGED IN, BUT AS FAR AS OUR PURPOSES GO, WHEN THE CRIMINALIST TAKES POSSESSION, IT IS IN THEIR POSSESSION, IT HAS BEEN BOOKED.

KEY QUOTE

# 159 Q:

OKAY.

# 160 A:

THE OTHER IS JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

# 161 Q:

OKAY. SO WAS IT IN THE CUSTODY FROM THE CRIMINALIST FROM THE 13TH WHEN IT WAS PICKED UP AT THE SCENE?

# 162 A:

AS OF THE 13TH, THAT'S CORRECT.

# 163 Q:

OKAY. SO WHAT DOES THE DATE OF JUNE 15TH REFLECT?

# 164 A:

THE ACTUAL DAY THAT IT WAS LOGGED IN AT THE PROPERTY WHEN A DR NUMBER HAD BEEN ASSIGNED AND ACTUAL ITEM NUMBERS HAD BEEN ASSIGNED TO EACH ITEM.

# 165 Q:

OKAY. DID THAT MEAN THAT THERE WAS ANY CHANGE IN THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS BEING SECURED OR KEPT?

# 166 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION, YOUR HONOR.

# 167 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. IT IS LEADING.

# 168 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: DOES THE -- WHAT DOES THE DATE OF -- HUM. FROM JUNE 13TH TO JUNE 15TH, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE ITEMS, SIR, OR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, DOES THE DATE OF JUNE THE 15TH REFLECT ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THE ITEM IS BEING KEPT?

# 169 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION. THAT IS ALSO LEADING. OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT.

# 170 THE COURT:

OVERRULED. OVERRULED.

# 171 DET. TOM LANGE:

NO.

# 172 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY CUSTODIAL SIGNIFICANCE, IN TERMS OF WHERE THE ITEMS ARE BEING KEPT, IN THE DATE OF JUNE 15TH?

# 173 MR. COCHRAN:

I OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION AGAIN.

# 174 THE COURT:

"CUSTODIAL" IS KIND OF A VAGUE QUESTION, VAGUE TERM.

# 175 MS. CLARK:

I WILL TRY AND FIX IT.

# 176 Q:

LET ME TRY AND BE MORE PRECISE, DETECTIVE LANGE. WHAT DOES THE DATE OF JUNE 15TH REFLECT WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE ITEMS OF EVIDENCE ARE BEING KEPT OR HELD?

# 177 A:

NOTHING. THEY ARE ALL IN THE POSSESSION OF SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION DIVISION. IT IS JUST A FORMAL LOGGING IN OR BOOKING OF THE ITEMS.

# 178 Q:

NOW, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU DID NOT DIAGRAM ANY OF THE BLOOD AT THE CRIME SCENE AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?

# 179 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 180 Q:

WHY NOT?

# 181 A:

THAT IS NOT NORMALLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DO. IF THERE WOULD BE ANY DIAGRAMMING OR COLLECTION, THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CRIMINALIST.

# 182 Q:

OKAY. WHICH WOULD BE MR. FUNG?

# 183 A:

YES.

# 184 MR. COCHRAN:

LEADING, YOUR HONOR.

# 185 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 186 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. YOU INDICATED, SIR, I BELIEVE EARLIER, THAT YOU BOOKED THAT LITTLE PLASTIC HEART THAT WAS FOUND ON THE GROUND ON AUGUST 25TH?

# 187 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 188 Q:

WHERE WAS IT BEFORE THEN?

# 189 A:

IT WAS SECURED AT ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION, PARKER CENTER.

# 190 Q:

OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOOKED AND BEING SECURED IN THE ROBBERY/HOMICIDE DIVISION?

# 191 A:

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED A BOOKING NUMBER AND IT HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN LOGGED IN AT PROPERTY DIVISION.

# 192 Q:

WHAT ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ITEM ITSELF, ANY DIFFERENCE THERE?

# 193 A:

NO. IT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

# 194 THE COURT:

DEPUTY, SEIZE THAT BEEPER, PLEASE, DEPUTY RUSSELL. THANK YOU. PROCEED.

# 195 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: ALL RIGHT. WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN THE BLOOD SAMPLE WAS TAKEN FROM THE DEFENDANT?

# 196 A:

YES.

# 197 Q:

AND WHERE DID IT GO AFTER THAT?

# 198 A:

IT WENT INTO MY PARTNER'S POSSESSION.

# 199 Q:

DETECTIVE VANNATTER?

# 200 A:

YES.

# 201 Q:

AND THEN WHAT?

# 202 A:

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS TRANSPORTED.

# 203 MR. COCHRAN:

MOVE TO STRIKE HIS UNDERSTANDING, YOUR HONOR. THE BEST EVIDENCE IS VANNATTER.

# 204 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED.

# 205 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: OKAY. DID YOU SEE IT AFTER THE BLOOD SAMPLE WAS DRAWN FROM THE DEFENDANT AND GIVEN TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER?

# 206 A:

YES.

# 207 Q:

WHEN DID YOU SEE IT?

# 208 A:

AT THE TIME IT WAS WITHDRAWN AND TURNED OVER.

# 209 Q:

OKAY. AND AFTER IT WAS TURNED OVER TO DETECTIVE VANNATTER, DID YOU SEE THE BLOOD -- THE VIAL OF BLOOD AGAIN?

# 210 A:

NO.

# 211 Q:

SO WERE YOU AROUND WHEN THAT VIAL OF BLOOD WAS ULTIMATELY BOOKED INTO EVIDENCE OR INTO SID?

# 212 A:

NO. THAT WAS BOOKED BY CRIMINALIST FUNG.

# 213 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECTION. I MOVE TO STRIKE. THE ANSWER IS NO. I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LATTER PART.

# 214 THE COURT:

SUSTAINED. WE WILL STRIKE THE LAST PART OF THE ANSWER. THE ANSWER IS NO, SINCE HE WASN'T PRESENT.

# 215 MS. CLARK:

RIGHT.

# 216 THE COURT:

PROCEED. THE JURY IS TO DISREGARD THE LAST PART OF THE ANSWER.

# 217 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: SO DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT WAS ULTIMATELY BOOKED?

# 218 A:

NO.

# 219 Q:

OR BY WHOM?

# 220 A:

NO.

# 221 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAIR AND TRACE EVIDENCE. REMEMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE KNIT CAP THAT WAS FOUND NEXT TO THE GLOVE UNDER THE PLANT AT 875 SOUTH BUNDY?

# 222 A:

YES.

# 223 Q:

AND DID YOU CONDUCT ANY INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE WAS ANY HAIR OR TRACE EVIDENCE TO BE FOUND ON THAT CAP?

# 224 A:

I PERSONALLY DID NOT. THERE WAS ONE CONDUCTED.

# 225 Q:

AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THE RESULTS OF THAT EXAMINATION?

# 226 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR, HEARSAY.

# 227 THE COURT:

OVERRULED. HE CAN SAY YES OR NO, HE IS AWARE.

# 228 DET. TOM LANGE:

YES.

# 229 Q:

BY MS. CLARK: WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT -- ANYTHING ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT INVESTIGATION INTO THE HAIR AND TRACE EVIDENCE IN THE KNIT CAP THAT CAUSED YOU TO ELIMINATE MR. SIMPSON AS A SUSPECT?

# 230 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, I OBJECT TO THE FORM OF THAT QUESTION.

# 231 DET. TOM LANGE:

YES.

# 232 MR. COCHRAN:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. MOVE TO STRIKE. I WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH. OBJECT AS HEARSAY.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Tom Lange

I ASKED MR. SIMPSON IF HE RECALLED WHAT SHOES HE WAS WEARING THE PREVIOUS EVENING AND HE POINTED THEM OUT AND STATED HE BELIEVED THAT THOSE MIGHT BE THE SHOES THAT HE HAD ON.

Establishes that OJ himself volunteered the Reeboks — which turned out not to match the Bundy shoeprints and had no blood on them. Cuts against any suggestion police planted suspicion on those shoes.

Tom Lange

NO, THEY DID NOT.

Lange confirms the Reeboks OJ pointed out do not match the bloody shoeprint pattern at Bundy — a point Clark uses to undercut the notion that this evidence was fabricated or suspicious.

Tom Lange

WHEN THE CRIMINALIST SEIZES AN ITEM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IT IS IN POLICE CUSTODY AND BOOKED. IT IS JUST NOT ADMINISTRATIVELY CORRECT UNTIL THEY -- A NUMBER IS ASSIGNED AND IT GETS PLACED INTO AN ENVIRONMENT AND LOGGED IN.

Lange explains the June 13 vs. June 15 booking discrepancy, rebutting the defense implication that the gap created an opportunity for evidence tampering.

Marcia Clark

YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING?

Clark's rhetorical move to rehabilitate Lange after he admitted the two-dimes-two-pennies note was a mistake. Cochran's sarcastic objection ('WE CAN ALL SEE HIM') drew a rare Ito overrule and some courtroom levity.

Evidence (7)

Informal

Reeboks size 12 seized from Rockingham on June 13 — pointed out by OJ Simpson himself

discussed; confirmed no blood (negative presumptive test), sole pattern does not match Bundy shoeprints

Informal

Bloody shoeprints at 875 South Bundy — size 12, specific sole pattern

discussed; Reeboks ruled out as source; shoe type withheld pending future expert testimony

Informal

Green piece of paper (described as looking like a shopping list) found in grocery bag with Ron Goldman's Mezzaluna clothing

discussed; origin not from police; Goldman family provided bag and contents

Informal

Change (coins) and banana label seized from Bundy on June 13, booked June 15

discussed; booking date discrepancy explained as administrative, no change in custody or integrity

Informal

Small plastic heart found at Bundy, booked August 25

discussed; held at Robbery/Homicide prior to formal booking, no integrity change

Informal

Vial of OJ Simpson's blood drawn at Rockingham

discussed; transferred to Vannatter, Lange had no further contact; booking details unknown to him

+ 1 more

Notable Exchanges (5)

Marcia Clark•Johnnie Cochran•Lance A. Ito

Clark repeatedly attempts to establish that the Reeboks did not match the Bundy shoeprints and had no blood — a simple point that required five attempts due to sustained objections for leading questions before Cochran was overruled.

grinding/strategic

Marcia Clark•Lance A. Ito

Ito intervenes when Clark begins questioning about Goldman's clothing bag, reminding her the Goldman family must leave the courtroom before testimony about their son's belongings proceeds.

procedural

Marcia Clark•Lance A. Ito

Ito cuts off Clark's line of questioning about how Goldman's clothing arrived in court, telling her the jury already knows from prior testimony. Clark pivots by announcing Patty Goldman as her next witness.

procedural

Johnnie Cochran•Lance A. Ito

Ito tells Cochran he heard a comment from him; Cochran flatly denies making one. Brief standoff with no further consequence.

tense

Tom Lange•Marcia Clark

Lange admits the two-dimes-two-pennies entry in his notes was simply a mistake. Clark defuses it with 'You are a human being?' — Lange responds 'I DO MAKE MISTAKES.'

rehabilitative

Light Moments (4)

Lance A. Ito / Marcia Clark

Ito, after multiple sustained objections on leading questions: 'SLOW DOWN. WE'VE GOT ALL DAY.' Clark responds: 'THAT IS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO AVOID, BUT OKAY.'

Marcia Clark / Johnnie Cochran

Clark asks 'YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING?' to rehabilitate Lange after he admitted a note error. Cochran objects: 'YOUR HONOR, THAT IS SELF-SERVING. WE CAN ALL SEE HIM.' Ito overrules him anyway.

Lance A. Ito / Marcia Clark

Ito on the upcoming shoe evidence: 'I WILL SUSTAIN THE OBJECTION AT THIS POINT. I'M SURE WE WILL LEARN A LOT ABOUT SHOES.' Clark: 'THAT IS TRUE. I MEAN, WE WILL.'

Lance A. Ito

Ito orders a deputy to seize a beeper that went off in the courtroom mid-testimony: 'DEPUTY, SEIZE THAT BEEPER, PLEASE, DEPUTY RUSSELL.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Tom Lange

prior inconsistent statement / note error

Lange acknowledges that his crime scene notes erroneously listed two dimes and two pennies at the rear driveway of Bundy — an item that does not appear in any photographs. Clark rehabilitates him by having him admit it was simply a human mistake.

Objections

22 objections (8 sustained, 7 overruled)

Proceeding 5188 • 232 utterances • Prosecution witness

Criminal Trial

Department 103