Administrative matters: DNA terminology

📄 Administrative matters: DNA terminology — Friday, March 31, 1995

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TRIAL

▲ Day 49 of 167

◀ Opening remarks on evidence collection Videotape hearing and witness scheduling ▶

Date: Friday, March 31, 1995 • Utterances: 21

Marcia Clark addresses a dispute raised by defense attorneys Scheck and Neufeld over DNA terminology she used in a prior case (Christopher Johnson/Jones). Clark argues the defense deliberately misrepresented the context of her use of the word 'match' — explaining that the Johnson case involved a paternity identification without a body, not a direct DNA match, making it an entirely different scenario from the Simpson case. Judge Ito, having already ordered the complete transcript on his own initiative, declines to litigate the issue immediately and defers it until DNA testimony begins.

# 1 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT, OUT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE JURY:)

# 2 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK.

# 3 MS. CLARK:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THERE WAS AN ISSUE RAISED BY I BELIEVE MR. SCHECK AND MR. NEUFELD CONCERNING THE TERMINOLOGY THAT I USED IN THE CHRISTOPHER JONES CASE -- JOHNSON CASE CONCERNING A MATCH AND COUNSEL HAS DELIBERATELY MISREPRESENTED TO THE COURT THE IMPORT OF THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE EXCHANGE THAT OCCURRED IN THE COURSE OF THE HEARING FROM THE CHRISTOPHER JOHNSON CASE. THE UNFAIRNESS OF THAT IS THAT THIS COURT AND THE PUBLICITY THAT DEGENERATES GENERATES FROM EVERY HEARING THAT WE HAVE HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETELY FALSIFIED IN TERMS OF WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED IN COURT. COUNSEL NOW PROFFERS TO THE COURT A MERE FEW PAGES FROM A TRANSCRIPT SEEKING TO ESTABLISH THE BASIS OF THEIR -- OF THE MISREPRESENTATION THAT THEY HAVE MADE TO THIS COURT. I WOULD ASK THAT THE COURT REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE MERE FEW PAGES THEY HAVE PROFFERED AND INSIST ON THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT.

# 4 THE COURT:

MISS CLARK, LET ME -- FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I HAVE A DISLIKE OF EXCERPTS FROM TRANSCRIPTS AS WELL. I'VE ALREADY ORDERED THE COMPLETE COURT FILE. MRS. ROBERTSON ADVISES ME THAT THE COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT AT MY REQUEST HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO THE COURT.

# 5 MS. CLARK:

GREAT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THE OTHER POINT I WISH TO MAKE TO THE COURT IN ADVANCE --

# 6 THE COURT:

WHICH MEANS, I GET TO READ A WHOLE LOT MORE STUFF.

KEY QUOTE

# 7 MS. CLARK:

YEAH. EVEN THOUGH -- WHICH IS EXACTLY I KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

# 8 THE COURT:

THIS WEEKEND, YES.

# 9 MS. CLARK:

EXACTLY. YOU HAVE VOLUMES. AND I WANT -- AND LET ME ASSIST THE COURT IN THAT REGARD WHEN YOU SEE IT. THE CHRISTOPHER JOHNSON MATTER WAS A PATERNITY MATCH. IT WAS A MURDER CASE --

# 10 THE COURT:

I NOTED THAT.

# 11 MS. CLARK:

-- WITHOUT A BODY --

# 12 THE COURT:

I NOTED THAT.

# 13 MS. CLARK:

OKAY. SO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF A MATCH, THE WITNESS SAID, "WELL, I CAN'T SAY THERE'S A MATCH BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A KNOWN SAMPLE FROM THE VICTIM." WE HAVE NO BODY OF THE VICTIM. ALL WE HAVE IS A BLOODSTAIN AT A CRIME SCENE AND WE'RE SEEKING TO ESTABLISH WHETHER THAT BLOOD COULD HAVE BEEN THE BLOOD OF THE SON OF THIS FATHER, THE HUSBAND OF THIS MOTHER OR WIFE, THE FATHER OF THIS CHILD AND THE SIBLING OF THIS SISTER. SO I MEAN, IT WAS A PATERNITY MATCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHY THE WITNESS WAS SAYING, WE CAN'T SAY A MATCH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO MATCH IT TOO. WE CAN ONLY SAY THAT THIS BLOOD IS CONSISTENT WITH BEING A RELATIVE OF THESE PEOPLE IN THIS REGARD.

# 14 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, I DON'T WANT TO LITIGATE THAT ISSUE NOW.

# 15 MS. CLARK:

OKAY. BUT IT IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE SITUATION FROM WHAT WE HAVE HERE. IT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION.

# 16 THE COURT:

IN READING THE EXCERPT, ENOUGH INTERESTING THINGS CAME UP, SPECIFICALLY THE PATERNITY ISSUES AND WHAT THE TEST WAS THAT CAUSED ME TO ORDER THE COMPLETE FILE, WHICH I'VE DONE.

KEY QUOTE

# 17 MS. CLARK:

OKAY. WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER IF EVER?

# 18 THE COURT:

OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO REACH THAT ISSUE SOMETIME WHEN WE GET INTO THE DNA TESTING.

# 19 MS. CLARK:

OKAY.

# 20 THE COURT:

BUT I'VE GOT IT. I'LL LOOK AT IT. WE'LL SEE WHAT'S THERE.

# 21 MS. CLARK:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

Temperature

tense

Key Quotes (4)

Marcia Clark

COUNSEL HAS DELIBERATELY MISREPRESENTED TO THE COURT THE IMPORT OF THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE EXCHANGE THAT OCCURRED IN THE COURSE OF THE HEARING FROM THE CHRISTOPHER JOHNSON CASE.

Clark opens with a sharp accusation of bad faith against Scheck and Neufeld, framing the dispute as prosecutorial misconduct by the defense.

Lance A. Ito

WHICH MEANS, I GET TO READ A WHOLE LOT MORE STUFF. THIS WEEKEND, YES.

Rare moment of dry humor from Ito, acknowledging the burden of reviewing a complete court file over the weekend.

Marcia Clark

WE CAN ONLY SAY THAT THIS BLOOD IS CONSISTENT WITH BEING A RELATIVE OF THESE PEOPLE IN THIS REGARD.

Clark explains the technical distinction between a paternity-based DNA consistency finding and a direct match — the heart of her argument that the defense mischaracterized her prior statements.

Lance A. Ito

IN READING THE EXCERPT, ENOUGH INTERESTING THINGS CAME UP, SPECIFICALLY THE PATERNITY ISSUES AND WHAT THE TEST WAS THAT CAUSED ME TO ORDER THE COMPLETE FILE.

Ito signals he found the excerpts substantive enough to want full context — neither dismissing the defense's concern nor endorsing Clark's framing.

Evidence (1)

Informal

Partial transcript from the Christopher Johnson case (paternity/murder case without a body), submitted by defense

challenged by Clark as incomplete and misleading; Ito orders full transcript

Notable Exchanges (1)

Marcia Clark•Lance A. Ito

Clark attempts to brief the court on the contextual differences between the Johnson case DNA terminology and the Simpson case; Ito repeatedly interrupts to note he has already ordered the full file and does not want to litigate the issue prematurely.

strategic

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito

Ito deadpans that ordering the full transcript means 'I get to read a whole lot more stuff. This weekend, yes.' Clark plays along: 'You have volumes.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Marcia Clark

prior inconsistent statement / mischaracterization of prior testimony

Scheck and Neufeld (not present in this session) had submitted excerpts from the Christopher Johnson case transcript to argue Clark used the term 'match' inconsistently. Clark disputes this, calling it a deliberate misrepresentation.

Objections

None recorded

Proceeding 5537 • 21 utterances

Criminal Trial

Department 103