Cross-examination of Allan Park (part 2)

📄 Cross-examination of Allan Park (part 2) — Wednesday, March 29, 1995

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▲ Day 47 of 167

◀ Sidebar: evidence presentation Jury management ▶

Witness: Allan Park
Examiner: Johnnie Cochran
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Wednesday, March 29, 1995 • Utterances: 433

Johnnie Cochran cross-examines limousine driver Brian Park about the bags he saw outside the Simpson residence, showing him physical exhibits including a Louis Vuitton garment bag (which Park said looked 'very similar, if not the bag'), a Swiss Army golf bag, and two black duffle bags. Cochran also established that Park could not positively confirm whether a vehicle was parked at the Rockingham gate, that Park never saw any blood drops anywhere on the property, and that Park was not wearing his glasses that night.

# 1 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)

# 2 MR. COCHRAN:

SHALL I BRING THEM IN?

# 3 THE COURT:

YES, AND A COUPLE MORE FOUNDATIONAL QUESTIONS.

# 4 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY I PROCEED, YOUR HONOR?

# 5 THE COURT:

YES.

# 6 MR. COCHRAN:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

# 7 Q:

MR. PARK, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS THAT WERE ON THE GROUND WHEN YOU PULLED IN WITH THE LIMOUSINE THAT WERE OUT IN FRONT OF MR. SIMPSON'S HOUSE. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 8 A:

YES.

# 9 Q:

CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US AND GIVE US A WORD PICTURE OF THE DUFFLE BAGS? YOU TOLD US THEY WERE BLACK IN COLOR; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 10 A:

YES.

# 11 Q:

AND AS BETWEEN THE TWO BAGS, WAS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BAGS?

# 12 A:

UMM, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

# 13 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH REGARD TO -- I HAVE TO ASK YOU WHETHER THERE WAS ANY WRITING ON EITHER ONE OF THEM AND DO YOU RECALL ANY WRITING AT ALL?

# 14 A:

NO.

# 15 Q:

AND DID THEY BOTH APPEAR AS THOUGH THEY HAD SOMETHING INSIDE OF THEM?

# 16 A:

YES.

# 17 Q:

CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US ANYTHING ABOUT THE HANDLES OF THESE TWO BAGS?

# 18 A:

NO.

# 19 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU PUT THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS INSIDE THE CAR?

# 20 A:

YES.

# 21 Q:

AND YOU ONLY HAD THEM FOR A VERY SHORT TIME, I PRESUME; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 22 A:

YEAH, SECONDS.

# 23 Q:

AND THAT WASN'T SOMETHING YOU WERE CONCENTRATING ON, I PRESUME?

# 24 A:

NO.

# 25 Q:

ALL RIGHT. BUT WITH REGARD TO -- WHAT ELSE CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THESE BAGS, THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US THUS FAR? YOU TOLD US THE COLOR, YOU TOLD US THERE IS NO WRITING THAT YOU RECALL?

# 26 A:

I'M NOT POSITIVE IF ONE HAD A SHOULDER STRAP OR NOT.

# 27 Q:

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ONE COULD HAVE BEEN CARRIED UP OVER ONE'S SHOULDER; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 28 A:

YES.

# 29 Q:

AND AS WITH SOMETIMES -- AS SOMETIMES HAPPENS WITH THOSE BAGS WITH THE SHOULDER STRAPS, THEY CAN ALSO SOMETIMES BE FOLDED; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 30 A:

YES, I GUESS.

# 31 Q:

AND DO YOU RECALL ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT WHETHER OR NOT, AS IT APPEARS, THE DUFFEL BAG HAD BEEN FOLDED OVER WITH CLOTHES INSIDE OF IT? DO YOU RECALL?

# 32 A:

NO.

# 33 Q:

YOU DON'T RECALL?

# 34 A:

NO.

# 35 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WERE TO SEE BOTH OF THESE BLACK DUFFLE BAGS AGAIN, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD TELL US WHETHER OR NOT IT APPEARS TO BE SIMILAR TO THE BAG YOU SAW THAT NIGHT?

# 36 A:

YES.

# 37 Q:

YOUR BEST TEST WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT, RIGHT?

# 38 A:

YES.

# 39 Q:

ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU TELL US ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD US THUS FAR ABOUT THE TWO BLACK DUFFLE BAGS?

# 40 A:

THAT IS ABOUT ALL I REMEMBER, OTHER THAN ONE WAS UNZIPPED.

# 41 Q:

OF THE TWO OF THEM, ONE WAS UNZIPPED?

# 42 A:

YES.

# 43 Q:

WHERE WERE THE ZIPPERS ON THAT PARTICULAR BAG, IF YOU RECALL?

# 44 A:

THEY SEEMED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE.

# 45 Q:

ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER ONE -- DID THE OTHER DUFFEL BAG HAVE ZIPPERS ALSO?

# 46 A:

IT WAS CLOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAD A ZIPPER OR NOT. I DIDN'T ASK THEM TO --

# 47 Q:

THIS WAS JUST A QUICK THING BECAUSE YOU WERE LATE?

# 48 A:

YES.

# 49 MR. COCHRAN:

I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. YOUR HONOR, MAY I SHOW THE WITNESS A COUPLE OF BAGS?

# 50 THE COURT:

THE FIRST TWO, YES.

# 51 MR. COCHRAN:

THEY ARE NOW THREE, YOUR HONOR.

# 52 THE COURT:

I'M SORRY?

# 53 MR. COCHRAN:

THEY ARE NOW THREE.

# 54 THE COURT:

THE FIRST TWO.

# 55 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY WE APPROACH WITHOUT THE REPORTER?

# 56 THE COURT:

YES.

# 57 (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.)

# 58 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)

# 59 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. MR. COCHRAN.

# 60 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)

# 61 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, FOR THE RECORD, I WANT TO ASK -- I WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE I SHOW THE WITNESS THE BAGS.

# 62 Q:

MR. PARK, DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GARMENT BAG, AS IT WERE, AND A DUFFEL BAG? DO YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THOSE?

# 63 A:

YES.

# 64 Q:

AND IF A GARMENT BAG IS FOLDED OVER WITH CLOTHES THEREIN, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO A DUFFEL BAG ON OCCASION?

# 65 A:

IT COULD.

# 66 Q:

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU -- DO YOU KNOW -- THE SECOND BLACK BAG THAT YOU SAW THAT NIGHT, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS POSSIBLY A GARMENT BAG THAT WAS FOLDED OVER WITH CLOTHES THEREIN?

# 67 A:

NOT POSITIVE, NO.

# 68 Q:

YOU DON'T KNOW?

# 69 A:

NO.

# 70 Q:

AGAIN, WOULD THE BEST TEST OF THAT BE FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY SEE A BAG AND THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION?

# 71 A:

YES.

# 72 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT, YOUR HONOR. YOUR HONOR, MAY I -- I WOULD LIKE TO MARK AS DEFENDANT'S NEXT IN ORDER 1062, WHAT APPARENTLY IS A GARMENT BAG, COUNSEL HAS SEEN IT, A LOUIS VITTON GARMENT BAG. AND I WOULD LIKE, IF I MIGHT, TO APPROACH MR. PARK.

# 73 THE COURT:

YES. FOLD-OVER GARMENT BAG.

# 74 (DEFT'S 1062 FOR ID = GARMENT BAG)

# 75 MR. COCHRAN:

LOUIS VITTON WITH A PANEL.

# 76 Q:

MR. PARK, I WANT TO PLACE THE DEFENDANT'S 1062 BEFORE YOU AND WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE BAG THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY BEING A DESIGNER BAG APPEARS SIMILAR TO DEFENDANT'S 662 -- 1062 FROM THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12, 1994, SIR?

# 77 A:

UMM, IT IS VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT THE BAG.

KEY QUOTE

# 78 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT ANY MORE?

# 79 A:

NO.

# 80 Q:

LOOKS VERY SIMILAR?

# 81 A:

YES.

# 82 Q:

AND DO YOU SEE THESE LITTLE LV'S ON IT?

# 83 A:

YES.

# 84 Q:

THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU SAW THAT NIGHT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 85 A:

YES.

# 86 Q:

DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS BAG THAT LOOKS FAMILIAR, THE LABEL? DID YOU HAPPEN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE SKYCAPS PUT A LABEL ON IT THAT NIGHT WHERE THIS BAG WAS GOING?

# 87 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 88 Q:

DO YOU RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THE DESIGNER BAG YOU SAW THAT NIGHT HAD A HERTZ LABEL WITH THE NAME "SIMPSON" ON IT? DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 89 A:

NO.

# 90 Q:

YOU DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT?

# 91 A:

NO.

# 92 Q:

DO YOU RECALL SEEING "PREMIUM SERVICE FLAGSHIP SERVICE AMERICAN AIRLINES"?

# 93 A:

NO.

# 94 Q:

BUT HE WENT OUT ON AMERICAN AIRLINES?

# 95 A:

YES.

# 96 Q:

SO YOUR TESTIMONY IS THIS BAG, DEFENDANT'S 1062 FOR IDENTIFICATION, MAY VERY WELL BE THE BAG THAT YOU HAD THAT NIGHT; IS THAT CORRECT, OR SAW THAT NIGHT?

# 97 A:

YES, IT LOOKS VERY FAMILIAR.

# 98 MR. COCHRAN:

OKAY, SIR. I WOULD LIKE NOW, YOUR HONOR, TO SHOW I GUESS WHAT WILL BE MARKED AS DEFENDANT'S 1063. THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BY MR. DOUGLAS.

# 99 (DEFT'S 1063 FOR ID = GOLF BAG)

# 100 MR. COCHRAN:

THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS.

# 101 Q:

YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED FOR US WHAT YOU BELIEVE WAS A GOLF BAG AND YOU TOLD US THAT IT HAD SOME KIND OF AN INSIGNIA ON IT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 102 A:

YES.

# 103 Q:

WE ARE NOW PLACING BEFORE YOU NOW DEFENDANT'S 1063 FOR IDENTIFICATION. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS BAG AT ALL?

# 104 A:

NO.

# 105 Q:

DO YOU SEE AN INSIGNIA ON THIS BAG THAT LOOKS FAMILIAR TO YOU AT ALL?

# 106 A:

NO.

# 107 Q:

DOES THIS -- DOES THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS PARTICULAR BAG SEEM SIMILAR TO THE GOLF BAG THAT YOU SAW ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?

# 108 A:

SOMEWHAT SIMILAR, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS THE SAME.

# 109 Q:

IT DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME TO YOU?

# 110 A:

NO.

# 111 Q:

IF IT WERE TO -- WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU -- DID YOU SEE THE CLUBS THAT NIGHT?

# 112 A:

YES. NOT THE CLUBS ITSELF, BUT THE BAG.

# 113 Q:

YOU SAW A SHEATH OF SOME KIND?

# 114 A:

YES.

# 115 Q:

HOW DOES THIS SHEATH LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT YOU SAW?

# 116 A:

IT DIDN'T SAY "SWISS ARMY" LIKE THAT AND IT WASN'T THAT BIG.

# 117 Q:

THE "SWISS ARMY" THING?

# 118 A:

YES. AND IT SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT WASN'T AS BULKY.

# 119 Q:

DIDN'T SEEM THAT BULKY?

# 120 A:

YES.

# 121 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN UNZIP IT. DID YOU EVER HAVE IT UNZIPPED AT ALL THAT NIGHT? HAVE YOU LOOK AT THE BAG AND THE CLUBS INSIDE? DID YOU AT ANY TIME THAT NIGHT SEE WHAT APPARENTLY IS A SET OF GOLF CLUBS AND SOME KIND OF BLACK GOLF BAG WITH A TOP THEREON, A SLEEVE OR SOMETHING THEREON, AND IT HAS ANOTHER INSIGNIA, "SWISS ARMY" -- "SWISS ARMY" --

# 122 A:

BRANDS.

# 123 Q:

-- "BRANDS LIMITED"?

# 124 A:

I NEVER SAW IT LIKE THAT, NO. IT HAD ANOTHER SHEATH, BUT I DON'T -- I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT WRITTEN LIKE THAT.

# 125 Q:

ALL RIGHT.

# 126 A:

IT SEEMED TO BE A DIFFERENT EMBLEM.

# 127 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IT SEEMED TO BE A DIFFERENT EMBLEM, AS YOU RECALL?

# 128 A:

YES.

# 129 Q:

DID YOU -- THIS PARTICULAR BAG I THINK YOU DESCRIBED FOR US, THE GOLF BAG, WAS PLACED IN THE VEHICLE BY MR. KATO KAELIN?

# 130 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 131 Q:

SO YOU DIDN'T HANDLE IT, PER SE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 132 A:

NO, I WAS THERE WHEN HE PUT IT IN. WELL, I HANDLED IT AT THE AIRPORT.

# 133 Q:

YOU TOOK IT OUT AND PUT IT ON THE CART OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO WAS CHECKING?

# 134 A:

YES.

# 135 Q:

SO YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION IS THAT THIS SET OF GOLF CLUBS DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONES YOU SAW THAT NIGHT OR COULD YOU SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?

# 136 A:

WELL, IT COULD BE THE GOLF CLUBS, BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO BE A DIFFERENT SHEATH THAN THIS ONE OVER IT.

# 137 Q:

WAS THE SHEATH YOU SAW THIS NIGHT, WAS IT DARK ALSO?

# 138 A:

YES.

# 139 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SHEATH AND THE SHEATH THAT YOU RECALL THAT NIGHT HAS TO DO THE EMBLEM; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 140 A:

YES.

# 141 Q:

THE EMBLEM THAT YOU RECALL THAT NIGHT SAID "SWISS ARMY" ALSO, DID IT?

# 142 A:

IT DIDN'T SAY IT LIKE THAT. IT WASN'T WRITTEN AS BIG.

# 143 Q:

OKAY.

# 144 A:

IT SEEMED TO BE JUST A LITTLE SILK SCREEN WHITE TRIANGLE EMBLEM, ALMOST LIKE THE CENTER OF THIS, JUST THE RED PART.

# 145 Q:

YOU CAN RETURN TO THE MICROPHONE SO I CAN RESTATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE SWISS -- FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS: DID THE BAG YOU SAW THAT NIGHT HAVE A SHEATH THAT HAD SWISS ARMY ON IT?

# 146 A:

I'M NOT POSITIVE. I'M PRETTY SURE IT SAID SWISS ARMY. IT WAS MORE OF AN EMBLEM. LIKE I SAID, IT WASN'T WRITTEN THAT BIG.

# 147 Q:

I GUESS THE POINT IS DID IT HAVE A "SWISS ARMY"?

# 148 A:

YES.

# 149 Q:

I THINK YOU TESTIFIED TO THAT YESTERDAY?

# 150 A:

YES.

# 151 Q:

WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US IS THAT YOUR RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE INSIGNIA "SWISS ARMY" APPEARS DIFFERENT THAN THE SHEATH THAT WAS ON DEFENDANT'S 1063? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

# 152 A:

YES.

# 153 Q:

OKAY. HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY -- THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS -- WOULD YOU SAY YOU LOOKED AT THAT PARTICULAR BAG OR THAT GOLF BAG WITH THE INSIGNIA THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT? HOW LONG -- HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND LOOKING AT IT?

# 154 A:

NOT VERY LONG AT ALL. I NOTICED IT.

# 155 Q:

A MATTER OF SECONDS WOULD YOU SAY?

# 156 A:

YES.

# 157 Q:

AND --

# 158 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL.)

# 159 THE COURT:

COUNSEL, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST FOR A MOMENT THAT YOU JUST PROP THE BAG UP ON THE RAIL FOR THE JURORS SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THE EMBLEM THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

# 160 MR. COCHRAN:

SURE.

# 161 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 162 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

# 163 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY WE DO THE SAME THING FOR THE OTHER BAG, YOUR HONOR, THE LOUIS VITTON BAG?

# 164 THE COURT:

YES.

# 165 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 166 MR. COCHRAN:

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

# 167 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEFENSE COUNSEL AND THE DEFENDANT.)

# 168 MR. COCHRAN:

THE OTHER ONE IS NOT HERE YET, YOUR HONOR.

# 169 Q:

NOW, HAD YOU EVER BEFORE THAT NIGHT EVER SEEN A SWISS ARMY INSIGNIA ON A BAG BEFORE THAT NIGHT?

# 170 A:

ON A BAG?

# 171 Q:

YES. ON ANY KIND OF A BAG, LUGGAGE?

# 172 A:

NO.

# 173 Q:

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE KIND OF INSIGNIA ON BAGS, SWISS ARMY COMPANY?

# 174 A:

YES.

# 175 Q:

WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER?

# 176 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.)

# 177 Q:

WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? DO THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE KIND OF INSIGNIA ON LUGGAGE?

# 178 A:

I SAID YES.

# 179 Q:

OKAY. YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DO HAVE? YOU HAVE SEEN MORE THAN ONE KIND?

# 180 A:

YES.

# 181 Q:

OKAY. WHEN DID YOU SEE -- WHEN DID YOU MAKE THIS OBSERVATION?

# 182 A:

JUST NOW.

# 183 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND BY THE FACT THAT THE ONE YOU SAW HERE YOU FELT WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST?

# 184 A:

YES.

# 185 Q:

IS THAT HOW YOU MADE THAT DETERMINATION?

# 186 A:

YES.

# 187 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, DO YOU RECALL THAT WHEN YOU TESTIFIED AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING YOU INDICATED THAT WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION YOU MISSED OR PASSED BY THE RESIDENCE THERE ON ROCKINGHAM. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 188 A:

YES, I DO.

# 189 Q:

AND IN FACT YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU CAME UP ROCKINGHAM GOING NORTH AND YOU WERE GOING A LITTLE BIT FAST. DO YOU REMEMBER TESTIFYING TO THAT?

# 190 A:

YES.

# 191 Q:

AND SO YOU ACTUALLY MISSED THE HOUSE, RIGHT, AT THAT POINT?

# 192 A:

WELL, I DIDN'T MISS THE HOUSE. I CAUGHT THE ADDRESS ON THE SIDE OF THE CURB, SO I KNEW IT WAS THE HOUSE, BUT -- BUT I -- I WOULD SAY I MISSED THAT GATE.

# 193 Q:

WELL, NOW, LET ME JUST ASK YOU THIS: WHAT WAY WERE YOU GOING WHEN YOU CAME UP WHEN YOU WERE GOING A LITTLE BIT FAST WHEN YOU FIRST GOT THERE?

# 194 A:

I WAS HEADING NORTH.

# 195 Q:

WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT AS YOU WERE HEADING NORTH?

# 196 A:

THAT IS WHEN I TURNED DOWN -- MADE A RIGHT ONTO ASHFORD HEADING EAST.

# 197 Q:

DID YOU GO HALFWAY DOWN ASHFORD AT THAT POINT?

# 198 A:

YES.

# 199 Q:

YOU CAME BACK AND YOU PARKED AT THAT POINT?

# 200 A:

YES.

# 201 Q:

THAT IS WHEN YOU PARKED ACROSS FROM THE ASHFORD GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 202 A:

YES.

# 203 Q:

NOW, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, YOU WERE GOING BY A LITTLE BIT FAST WHEN YOU SPOTTED THE ADDRESS ON THE SIDEWALK; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 204 A:

YES.

# 205 Q:

AND SO YOU WERE DRIVING AND LOOKING AT THE LETTERS ON THE SIDEWALK AS YOU WENT PAST AND YOU WENT ON UP TO ASHFORD; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 206 A:

YES.

# 207 Q:

AND AS YOU TOLD US EARLIER, AT THAT POINT YOU WERE FOCUSING ON THE ADDRESS AND ON THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 208 A:

YES.

# 209 Q:

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY, YOU WERE NOT FOCUSING ON ANY CARS, PARTICULAR CARS PARKED THERE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 210 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 211 Q:

AND YOU CANNOT TELL THIS JURY POSITIVELY THAT A VEHICLE WAS PARKED THERE OUTSIDE THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR NOT, CAN YOU?

KEY QUOTE

# 212 A:

NO.

# 213 Q:

IN FACT, WHEN YOU LEFT TO GET TO THE AIRPORT WHEN YOU WENT --

# 214 MS. CLARK:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. I BELIEVE THAT MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY. I BELIEVE THE WITNESS IS CONFUSED ABOUT THE TIME FRAME.

# 215 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, CROSS-EXAMINATION.

# 216 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 217 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: IN FACT, WHEN YOU LEFT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, SIR, AND YOU WERE GOING TO PULL OUT TO HEAD TO THE AIRPORT TO GO BACK TOWARD SUNSET, AT THAT POINT YOU DON'T RECALL WHETHER OR NOT YOU SAW ANY PARKED CARS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 218 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 219 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU INDICATED TO OFFICER TIPPIN ON JUNE 15TH IN THE CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD, RIGHT?

# 220 A:

CORRECT.

# 221 Q:

THAT IS WHAT YOU INDICATED AT THE GRAND JURY; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 222 A:

YES.

# 223 Q:

THAT IS WHAT YOU INDICATED AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING WHEN YOU TESTIFIED; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 224 A:

YES.

# 225 Q:

AND AT ALL TIMES THROUGHOUT YOUR TESTIMONY YOU HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE ACCURATE AND AS ACCURATE AS YOU COULD; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 226 A:

YES.

# 227 Q:

AND YOU AGREED WITH ME THAT YOUR TESTIMONY FOR EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED ON JUNE 12TH IN THE LATE EVENING HOURS WAS OBVIOUSLY BETTER BACK IN JUNE THAN IT IS NOW SOME EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS LATER IN MARCH OF 1995; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 228 A:

I WOULD SAY IT IS THE SAME.

# 229 Q:

YOUR -- I KNOW YOU ARE VERY YOUNG, BUT IS YOUR MEMORY -- THAT IS A COMPLIMENT BY THE WAY -- BUT YOUR MEMORY EVEN AT YOUR AGE TENDS TO GET A LITTLE WORSE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, DOESN'T IT?

# 230 A:

I WOULD AGREE ON THAT.

# 231 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WHEN EVENTS ARE FRESHER IN YOUR MIND THEY ARE LIKELY TO BE MORE ACCURATE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 232 A:

YES.

# 233 Q:

THAN WHEN TIME PASSES A LITTLE BIT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 234 A:

YES.

# 235 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, LAST -- YESTERDAY, I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FACT THAT JUNE 12TH WAS A SUNDAY EVENING AND THE STREET IN AND AROUND ROCKINGHAM AND ASHFORD WERE QUIET THAT NIGHT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 236 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 237 Q:

WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT AS KIND OF A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD?

# 238 A:

YES.

# 239 Q:

AND AS SUCH YOU TOLD US IN FACT THAT YOU OBSERVED AND SAW CARS THAT WERE COMING AND PASSING BY -- BY YOU; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 240 A:

YES.

# 241 Q:

BUT YOU NEVER AT ANY TIME SAW ANY CAR COME UP, STOP OR HEARD ANYBODY GET OUT OR SLAM ANY DOORS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 242 A:

CORRECT.

# 243 Q:

YOU NEVER WENT OVER TO INSPECT ANY CARS THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, ANY PARKED CARS, DID YOU?

# 244 A:

NO.

# 245 Q:

THAT WAS AGAIN BECAUSE YOUR JOB WAS TO PICK UP THIS CLIENT AND GET HIM TO THE AIRPORT ON TIME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 246 A:

YES.

# 247 Q:

AND NOTHING ELSE WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU AT THAT POINT; ISN'T THAT CORRECT, EXCEPT GETTING THE CLIENT THERE SAFELY?

# 248 A:

THAT IS ABOUT IT.

# 249 Q:

YOU DID THAT? YOU GOT HIM THERE SAFELY AND RELATIVELY ON TIME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 250 A:

YES.

# 251 Q:

I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS PARTITION INSIDE THE LIMOUSINE. YOU DESCRIBED FOR US HOW THAT WORKS IN A LIMOUSINE THAT COULD SEPARATE THE DRIVER'S COMPARTMENT FROM WHERE YOUR CLIENT OR THE CUSTOMER IS. HOW DOES THAT WORK?

# 252 A:

THERE IS A BUTTON IN THE BACK THAT THE CLIENT OR WHOEVER YOU HAVE IN THE CAR CAN PUT UP THE DIVIDER. THERE IS A GLASS ONE THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER FULLY DARK ONE, LIKE A WOOD BORDER THAT GOES UP IN BETWEEN IF YOU WANT TOTAL PRIVACY.

# 253 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AT ANYTIME DID MR. SIMPSON EVER PUT THIS TOTAL PRIVACY PARTITION UP THAT NIGHT?

# 254 A:

NO.

# 255 Q:

AT ANY TIME DID HE EVEN PUT THE CLEAR ONE UP THAT NIGHT?

# 256 A:

NO.

# 257 Q:

IN OTHER WORDS, HE LEFT IT DOWN AT ALL TIMES; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 258 A:

YES.

# 259 Q:

AND WHEN IT IS DOWN, YOU ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE, JUST TALK BACK AND FORTH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 260 A:

YES.

# 261 Q:

AND IN FACT IN MOST LIMOUSINES, WAS IT TRUE IN YOURS, THAT IF YOU HAD PUT THE ONE OF TOTAL PRIVACY UP THERE IS USUALLY A PHONE IN THE BACK WHERE YOU CAN TALK BACK AND FORTH IF YOU WANTED TO; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

# 262 A:

YES.

# 263 Q:

BUT IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED FOR US WITH MR. SIMPSON, THE TWO OF YOU WERE JUST ABLE TO TALK BACK AND FORTH; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 264 A:

CORRECT.

# 265 Q:

NOW, YESTERDAY YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THIS -- THIS FIGURE OF THIS PERSON THAT YOU SAW, YOU RECALL, AND YOU TOLD US THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN YOU FIRST OBSERVED THIS FIGURE, THIS PERSON WAS JUST ABOUT IN THE ENTRANCEWAY OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE, RIGHT?

# 266 A:

YES.

# 267 Q:

AND YOU COULD NOT TELL US FROM WHENCE -- STRIKE THAT. YOU COULD NOT TELL US FROM WHERE THAT INDIVIDUAL HAD COME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 268 A:

CORRECT.

# 269 Q:

AND YOU SAW THIS INDIVIDUAL FOR JUST A FLEETING PERIOD OF TIME, JUST A SECOND OR TWO; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 270 A:

YES.

# 271 Q:

AND YOUR OBSERVATION AT THAT TIME WAS FROM OUTSIDE THE GATE ON THE ASHFORD GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 272 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 273 Q:

ALL RIGHT. DID YOU EVER, WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THIS FIGURE OF THIS PERSON WHO WAS GOING TOWARD THE FRONT DOOR OF ROCKINGHAM, SIR, DID YOU EVER SEE OR OVERHEAR ANY CONVERSATION BETWEEN THIS PERSON THAT YOU SAID WAS WEARING SOMETHING DARK, PERHAPS EVEN A ROBE, WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO YOU DESCRIBED AS KATO KAELIN LATER? DID YOU SEE THEM AT ALL TALKING WHEN YOU SAW THIS FIGURE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL?

# 274 A:

NO.

# 275 Q:

WHEN YOU -- AND KATO KAELIN THEN LET YOU INSIDE AND YOU PULLED INSIDE, YOU TOLD US ABOUT YOUR OBSERVATIONS, YOU THEN HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 276 A:

YES.

# 277 Q:

WITH KATO KAELIN?

# 278 A:

YES.

# 279 Q:

AND THEN AS WE UNDERSTAND, IT WAS WITHIN FIVE, NO MORE THAN SIX MINUTES, THAT YOU THEN SAW MR. O.J. SIMPSON COME DOWN AND YOU THEN SAW HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME?

# 280 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 281 Q:

AND SO THAT WE ARE CLEAR FOR THE JURY, THE BAG THAT HE WAS CARRYING WHEN HE CAME DOWN, WHEN YOU FIRST SAW HIM, WITHIN FIVE OR SIX MINUTES AFTER YOU GOT THERE, IS THAT THE BAG THAT LOOKED SIMILAR TO THE LOUIS VITTON BAG THAT WE JUST SHOWED THE JURY?

# 282 A:

YES.

# 283 Q:

AND HE WAS CARRYING THAT BAG IN HIS HAND?

# 284 A:

YES.

# 285 Q:

AND WAS IT FOLDED OVER IN THE FASHION IT APPEARED HERE?

# 286 A:

YES.

# 287 Q:

AND THE TWO DUFFEL BAGS WERE ALREADY OUTSIDE?

# 288 A:

YES.

# 289 Q:

NOW, WHEN YOU WERE IN AND AROUND THAT DRIVEWAY, I MAY HAVE ASKED YOU THIS YESTERDAY, YOU NEVER SAW ANY BLOOD DROPS ANYWHERE ON THAT DRIVEWAY, DID YOU?

# 290 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 291 Q:

YOU NEVER SAW ANY BLOOD DROPS IN THE FOYER AREA OF THE RESIDENCE THAT I SHOWED YOU A PICTURE OF YESTERDAY?

# 292 MS. CLARK:

OBJECTION. THIS ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

# 293 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 294 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: DID YOU?

# 295 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 296 Q:

SINCE JUNE 12, 1994, HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION TO GO BACK OUT TO ROCKINGHAM AT ALL, THAT LOCATION?

# 297 A:

NO.

# 298 Q:

YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN OUT THERE WITH THE POLICE OR ANYTHING?

# 299 A:

NO.

# 300 Q:

YOU DESCRIBED FOR MISS CLARK YESTERDAY THAT YOU WORE GLASSES BECAUSE YOU HAD TROUBLE SEEING THINGS FAR AWAY. YOU ARE NEARSIGHTED, RIGHT?

# 301 A:

CORRECT.

# 302 Q:

AND HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO WEAR YOUR GLASSES?

# 303 A:

PRETTY MUCH JUST WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT. I DON'T WEAR THEM VERY OFTEN AT ALL.

# 304 Q:

SO IT IS JUST --

# 305 A:

I THINK THEY MAKE MY EYES WORSE.

KEY QUOTE

# 306 Q:

REALLY?

# 307 A:

YES.

# 308 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AT ANY RATE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THEM ON THAT NIGHT, DID YOU?

# 309 A:

NO.

# 310 Q:

NOW, WITH REGARD TO MR. DALE ST. JOHN, DID YOU TALK TO HIM AT ALL ANY MORE THAT NIGHT AFTER YOU DROPPED MR. SIMPSON OFF?

# 311 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 312 Q:

WHEN DID YOU NEXT TALK TO HIM, IF YOU DID, IN CONNECTION WITH TAKING MR. SIMPSON TO THE AIRPORT?

# 313 A:

I THINK IT WAS THE NEXT MORNING.

# 314 Q:

AND DID YOU KEEP THE LIMOUSINE WITH YOU THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, IF YOU RECALL?

# 315 A:

IT WAS AT HIS HOUSE, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.

# 316 Q:

YOU TOOK IT BACK TO HIS HOUSE?

# 317 A:

YES.

# 318 Q:

AND THEN JUST WALKED HOME; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 319 A:

YES.

# 320 Q:

NOW, YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU NOT, SEEN PICTURES OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE DURING THE TIMES YOU HAVE MET WITH MISS CLARK AND THE OTHERS AT THE D.A.'S OFFICE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 321 A:

YES.

# 322 Q:

IN FACT, WHEN YOU MET WITH HER LAST FRIDAY IN THIS BUILDING, LIKE ELEVEN O'CLOCK ON, AT THAT TIME YOU WENT OVER SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OR PICTURES AT THAT POINT, DID YOU NOT?

# 323 A:

A FEW, YES.

# 324 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND SOME OF THOSE FEW PICTURES WERE OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE, WERE THEY?

# 325 A:

YES.

# 326 Q:

WHEN YOU WERE PARKED BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE -- EITHER THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR THE ASHFORD GATE, WHEN YOU WERE PARKED, I GUESS ON ASHFORD, YOU WERE PARKED IN A WAY YOU COULD LOOK DOWN ROCKINGHAM, WERE YOU?

# 327 A:

NOT ACTUALLY DOWN ROCKINGHAM. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT.

# 328 Q:

YOU COULD LOOK AT ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 329 A:

YES.

# 330 Q:

IS THAT WHILE YOU WERE IN THE CAR?

# 331 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.)

# 332 Q:

IS THAT WHILE YOU WERE STILL SEATED IN THE CAR?

# 333 A:

YES.

# 334 Q:

AND WHEN YOU GOT OUTSIDE THE CAR AND KIND OF WALKED AROUND AND WALKED TO THE REAR OF THE CAR, COULD YOU SEE DOWN TOWARD ROCKINGHAM AT THAT POINT?

# 335 A:

NO. I WAS SITTING ON THE CURB LOOKING, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN THE ASHFORD GATE AT THE RESIDENCE.

# 336 Q:

THE ASHFORD GATE TOWARD THE RESIDENCE AT THAT POINT, RIGHT?

# 337 A:

YES.

# 338 Q:

THE VEHICLE WAS POINTED FORWARD AND YOU GOT OUT AND WERE LOOKING -- WHAT DIRECTION IS THAT?

# 339 A:

THAT WOULD BE SOUTH.

# 340 Q:

LOOKING SOUTH AT THAT POINT?

# 341 A:

THE CAR WAS POINTING WEST.

# 342 Q:

WEST AT THAT POINT? ALL RIGHT. YOUR HONOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER ITEM MAY BE HERE.

# 343 THE COURT:

YES. MISS CLARK, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

# 344 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 345 (A CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE BENCH, NOT REPORTED.)

# 346 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)

# 347 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. MR. COCHRAN, DO YOU WANT TO MARK THAT ITEM?

# 348 MR. COCHRAN:

YES. I THINK THIS WOULD BE --

# 349 THE COURT:

1064.

# 350 MR. COCHRAN:

-- 1064.

# 351 (DEFENSE 1064 FOR ID = BLACK BAG)

# 352 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: WHEN YOU WERE UP IN THE D.A.'S OFFICE MEETING MISS CLARK LAST FRIDAY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT PICTURES SHE SHOWED YOU OF ROCKINGHAM?

# 353 A:

I DON'T RECALL.

# 354 Q:

WERE THEY SOME OF THE SAME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE SAW YESTERDAY DURING YOUR DIRECT EXAMINATION?

# 355 A:

YES.

# 356 Q:

SO THEY LOOKED FAMILIAR? AND DID YOU SEE ANY OF THE BOARDS HERE AT THAT TIME ALSO?

# 357 A:

UMM, THE PHONE RECORDS.

# 358 Q:

YOU SAW THE PHONE RECORDS?

# 359 A:

YES.

# 360 Q:

AND YOU SAW SOME PICTURES THAT LOOKED SIMILAR TO THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE HERE; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 361 A:

YES.

# 362 Q:

OKAY. I'M GOING TO APPROACH YOU FIRST AND SHOW YOU A BLACK BAG. COUNSEL HAS SEEN IT. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT THIS BLACK BAG -- I WILL PLACE IT BEFORE YOU -- STRIKE THAT. LET ME JUST PLACE THE BLACK BAG BEFORE YOU FIRST. WILL YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, PLEASE, SIR.

# 363 A:

(WITNESS COMPLIES.) THIS ONE LOOKS FAMILIAR.

# 364 Q:

NOW, YOU HAVE HAD OCCASION TO LOOK AT THAT BLACK BAG?

# 365 A:

YES.

# 366 Q:

DOES THAT BLACK BAG LOOK SIMILAR TO EITHER ONE OF THE BLACK DUFFLE BAGS THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED FOR THE JURY TO THIS POINT?

# 367 A:

YES, IT DOES.

# 368 Q:

AND DOES IT LOOK DISSIMILAR AT ALL?

# 369 A:

IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR.

# 370 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR?

# 371 A:

YES.

# 372 Q:

SO THIS COULD HAVE WELL BEEN ONE OF THE BLACK DUFFLE BAGS THAT WERE OUT IN FRONT OF THE SIMPSON HOME IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCEWAY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 373 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 374 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT. MAY I MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE JURY, YOUR HONOR?

# 375 THE COURT:

YES.

# 376 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 377 MR. COCHRAN:

NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU ANOTHER BAG. COUNSEL HAS SEEN IT.

# 378 THE COURT:

WE WILL MARK THIS DEFENSE 1065.

# 379 MR. COCHRAN:

1065.

# 380 (DEFENSE 1065 FOR ID = BAG)

# 381 MR. COCHRAN:

I WILL PLACE 1065 BEFORE YOU.

# 382 Q:

ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, AT 1065.

# 383 (WITNESS COMPLIES.)

# 384 Q:

NOW, WITH REGARD TO DEFENDANT'S 1065, IT IS OBVIOUSLY EMPTY, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING INSIDE OF IT. IT DOES HAVE, FIRST OF ALL, A HANDLE APPARENTLY ON IT. DOES THIS LOOK SIMILAR TO ANY OF THE -- EITHER ONE OF THE BLACK BAGS YOU SAW ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?

# 385 A:

NO, NOT THAT I REMEMBER.

# 386 Q:

YOU DON'T RECALL SEEING A BAG THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO THIS THAT NIGHT?

# 387 A:

NO.

# 388 Q:

IS THAT CORRECT?

# 389 A:

YES.

# 390 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT. WITH REGARD -- YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ON THE ELMO, IF I COULD, DEFENDANT'S 66-E, IF I CAN, AT THE MOMENT.

# 391 THE COURT:

DEFENDANT'S OR PROSECUTION?

# 392 MR. COCHRAN:

PROSECUTION 66-E. THANK YOU.

# 393 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 394 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, CAN YOU SEE 66-E THERE?

# 395 A:

YES.

# 396 Q:

AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AND CAN YOU HELP US AND SHOW US -- I DON'T WANT TO PARTICULARLY WRITE ON THIS PARTICULAR DIAGRAM -- BUT PERHAPS A WORD PICTURE WILL BE HELPFUL -- WHERE THE VEHICLE YOU DESCRIBED AS THE ROLLS ROYCE OR THE BENTLEY WAS PARKED IN THAT DRIVEWAY BY USING THE VARIOUS DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE DEPICTED ON 66-E?

# 397 A:

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ABOUT IN THAT LITTLE INLET AREA RIGHT ABOVE THE WORD "DRIVEWAY" ON THE ROCKINGHAM DRIVEWAY.

# 398 Q:

RIGHT ABOVE THE WORD "DRIVEWAY"?

# 399 A:

A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TOWARD THE STREET.

# 400 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO THE BENTLEY WOULD BE THERE?

# 401 A:

YES.

# 402 MR. COCHRAN:

AND MISS CLARK HAS NO OBJECTION, IF WE WERE, YOUR HONOR, TO MARK THAT AREA FOR THE BENTLEY. SHOULD WE PUT -- PUT A BOX THERE.

# 403 (DISCUSSION HELD OFF THE RECORD BETWEEN DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND DEFENSE COUNSEL.)

# 404 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: ALL RIGHT. AND IT WAS POINTED TOWARD THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, RIGHT?

# 405 A:

YES.

# 406 Q:

SO THAT MARK ON 66-E IS THE -- WHY DON'T YOU PUT AN "RR" BY THAT.

# 407 THE COURT:

WHAT ABOUT "B"?

# 408 MS. CLARK:

EVERYBODY IS CALLING IT A ROLLS ROYCE.

# 409 MR. COCHRAN:

THEY ARE SIMILAR, YOUR HONOR. WE WILL MAKE IT A "B."

# 410 MS. CLARK:

CAN WE MAKE IT A "BE" TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE OTHER "B"?

# 411 THE COURT:

WELL, IT IS IN WHITE.

# 412 MS. CLARK:

OKAY.

# 413 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: IS THAT A FAIR APPROXIMATION OF WHERE YOU BELIEVE YOU SAW THE BENTLEY THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, SIR?

# 414 A:

YES.

# 415 Q:

NOW, THIS OTHER CAR, THIS OTHER DARK CAR, DO YOU RECALL WHERE THAT CAR WOULD BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE -- TO THE BENTLEY?

# 416 A:

RIGHT BEHIND IT.

# 417 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE MAY EITHER MAKE A VERY SMALL CAR OR RUN INTO THAT OTHER "B," BUT RIGHT BEHIND IT? MR. HARRIS, CAN YOU DO THAT?

# 418 Q:

RIGHT IN THAT AREA THERE, (INDICATING)?

# 419 A:

YES.

# 420 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS THE ONE YOU ARE NOT POSITIVE ABOUT, RIGHT?

# 421 A:

CORRECT.

# 422 Q:

IT WAS DARK?

# 423 MS. CLARK:

WELL --

# 424 THE COURT:

WELL, MR. COCHRAN, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO MARK IT. THE JURY HAS BEEN THERE; THEY HAVE SEEN IT.

# 425 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS FINE.

# 426 THE COURT:

THEY KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

# 427 MR. COCHRAN:

FINE. NO PROBLEM THEN, YOUR HONOR. SO WE KNOW THE AREA. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

# 428 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 429 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY I HAVE JUST A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?

# 430 THE COURT:

CERTAINLY. PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE A GOOD MOMENT. I NEED TO GIVE MY COURT REPORTER A BRIEF RECESS.

# 431 MR. COCHRAN:

YES, THANK YOU.

# 432 THE COURT:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A TEN-MINUTE COMFORT RECESS FOR THE COURT REPORTER. PLEASE REMEMBER MY ADMONITION TO YOU. DON'T DISCUSS THE CASE AMONGST YOURSELVES, DON'T FORM ANY OPINIONS, DON'T CONDUCT ANY DELIBERATIONS, DON'T LET ANYBODY COMMUNICATE WITH YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO STEP BACK INTO THE JURY ROOM. WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. MR. PARK, YOU CAN STEP DOWN. WE WILL BE IN RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES.

# 433 (RECESS.)

Temperature

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Key Quotes (5)

Brian Park

UMM, IT IS VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT THE BAG.

Park identifies Defense exhibit 1062, a Louis Vuitton fold-over garment bag, as potentially the exact designer bag he saw Simpson carrying — a key defense point suggesting the bag was normal travel luggage.

Brian Park

NO, I DIDN'T.

Park confirms he saw no blood drops on the driveway or in the foyer area of the Rockingham residence on the night of June 12, consistent with the defense theory that the crime scene evidence was planted or contaminated later.

Johnnie Cochran

YOU CANNOT TELL THIS JURY POSITIVELY THAT A VEHICLE WAS PARKED THERE OUTSIDE THE ROCKINGHAM GATE OR NOT, CAN YOU?

Cochran elicits Park's admission that he cannot confirm whether a vehicle (i.e., the white Bronco) was parked at the Rockingham gate, undermining a key prosecution timeline point.

Brian Park

I THINK THEY MAKE MY EYES WORSE.

Park's casual explanation for not wearing his corrective glasses that night, reinforcing defense suggestions that his observations of the dark figure and parked cars may be unreliable.

Brian Park

IT DIDN'T SAY 'SWISS ARMY' LIKE THAT AND IT WASN'T THAT BIG... IT SEEMED TO BE JUST A LITTLE SILK SCREEN WHITE TRIANGLE EMBLEM, ALMOST LIKE THE CENTER OF THIS, JUST THE RED PART.

Park distinguishes the golf bag sheath he saw from Defense exhibit 1063, demonstrating careful attention to some details but also illustrating the limits of his brief observations.

Evidence (5)

Defense 1062

Louis Vuitton fold-over garment bag

Shown to witness; Park identifies it as looking 'very similar, if not the bag' he saw Simpson carrying on June 12

Defense 1063

Swiss Army golf bag with sheath and clubs inside

Shown to witness; Park says it is 'somewhat similar' to the golf bag he saw but the sheath and insignia appear different — 'not as bulky'

Defense 1064

Black bag

Shown to witness; Park says it looks familiar and similar to the black duffle bags outside the Simpson residence

Defense 1065

Another bag (with handle)

Shown to witness; Park says he does not recall seeing a bag like this that night

Prosecution 66-E

Diagram of the Rockingham property

Displayed on Elmo; Park uses it to indicate where the Bentley/Rolls Royce was parked and a second dark car behind it

Notable Exchanges (3)

Johnnie Cochran•Brian Park

Cochran walks Park through a methodical identification exercise with four physical bag exhibits, trying to establish that the bags Simpson had were ordinary travel luggage, not anything suspicious.

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Johnnie Cochran•Brian Park

Cochran establishes that Park was not wearing his glasses, cannot confirm a vehicle was at the Rockingham gate, never saw blood, and did not inspect parked cars — systematically narrowing what Park actually observed.

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Marcia Clark•Lance A. Ito•Johnnie Cochran

Brief sidebar comedy over what to label the Bentley on exhibit 66-E — Ito suggests 'B,' Clark wants 'BE' to avoid confusion with another 'B,' Ito notes it is in white so no problem.

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Light Moments (3)

Johnnie Cochran

Cochran tells Park 'I KNOW YOU ARE VERY YOUNG, BUT IS YOUR MEMORY -- THAT IS A COMPLIMENT BY THE WAY' while making the point that memory fades over time.

Brian Park

Park explains why he does not wear his corrective glasses often: 'I THINK THEY MAKE MY EYES WORSE.'

Marcia Clark

Clark notes to Ito 'EVERYBODY IS CALLING IT A ROLLS ROYCE' during the debate over how to label the Bentley on the diagram.

Credibility Attacks (3)

⚔ Brian Park

Establishing limited observation opportunity

Cochran repeatedly emphasized that Park only glanced at bags for 'seconds,' passed the house going 'a little bit fast,' was focused solely on getting Simpson to the airport, and did not inspect parked cars — limiting the evidentiary weight of his observations.

⚔ Brian Park

Sensory impairment

Cochran confirmed Park is nearsighted and was not wearing his corrective glasses on the night of June 12, casting doubt on the reliability of his visual observations of the dark figure and vehicles.

⚔ Brian Park

Memory degradation over time

Cochran got Park to agree that memory fades over time and that recollections closer to June 12, 1994 would have been more accurate than testimony given eight or nine months later in March 1995.

Witness Demeanor

(WITNESS COMPLIES.) THIS ONE LOOKS FAMILIAR.

(WITNESS COMPLIES.) — [examining bag without comment]

(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE.) — when asked whether he could see down Rockingham while seated in the car

Objections

2 objections (0 sustained, 2 overruled)

Proceeding 5475 • 433 utterances • Prosecution witness

Criminal Trial

Department 103