Cross-examination of Allan Park (part 2)

📄 Cross-examination of Allan Park (part 2) — Tuesday, March 28, 1995

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▲ Day 46 of 167

◀ Sidebar: prior testimony Cross-examination of Sigelman ▶

Witness: Allan Park
Examiner: Johnnie Cochran
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Tuesday, March 28, 1995 • Utterances: 628

Cochran cross-examines limousine driver Allan Park, methodically working through his prior statements at the preliminary hearing, grand jury, and police interviews to establish that Park never previously mentioned his view to the right being obstructed — a claim he made for the first time on direct examination. Cochran also walks through the detailed timeline of Simpson's departure (bags, clothing, demeanor, the drive to LAX), eliciting that Park saw no spots anywhere and that Simpson appeared rushed but not alarming.

# 1 (THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HELD IN OPEN COURT:)

# 2 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY I PROCEED, YOUR HONOR?

# 3 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. THANK, YOU COUNSEL.

# 4 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU RECALL AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING BEING ASKED THIS SERIES OF QUESTIONS BY MISS CLARK AND GIVING THIS RESPONSE? "QUESTION: WHAT GATE DID YOU LEAVE FROM --" STRIKE THAT. LET'S START AT LINE 13. "QUESTION: THEN DID YOU LEAVE? "ANSWER: YES. "QUESTION: WHAT GATE DID YOU LEAVE FROM? "ANSWER: THE ROCKINGHAM GATE. "QUESTION: IN WHICH WAY DID YOU GO ON THE ROCKINGHAM --" STRIKE THAT -- "AND WHICH WAY DID YOU GO ON ROCKINGHAM AS YOU EXITED THE GATE? "ANSWER: I MADE A LEFT. "QUESTION: DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHETHER ANY CARS WERE PARKED ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU FACE THE DRIVEWAY OF ROCKINGHAM OUTSIDE THE RESIDENCE? "ANSWER: I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE. "QUESTION: YOU WEREN'T LOOKING AT THE PARKED CARS? "ANSWER: YEAH." REMEMBER SO TESTIFYING AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING?

# 5 A:

YES, I DO.

# 6 Q:

AND WHEN YOU GAVE THAT ANSWER ABOUT ANY CARS BEING --

# 7 MS. CLARK:

OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. COULD HE BE PERMITTED TO COMPLETE HIS -- COMPLETE THE PASSAGE THAT DEALS WITH THIS AREA, 356?

# 8 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN DO THAT ON REDIRECT, COUNSEL.

# 9 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, IT DOESN'T MATTER. JUST TO SAVE SOME TIME, LET ME JUST DO IT NOW AND SAVE SOME TIME.

# 10 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

# 11 MR. COCHRAN:

IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION.

# 12 THE COURT:

THANK YOU.

# 13 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: "QUESTION: WERE YOU LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME TRAFFIC? "ANSWER: YES, OF COURSE. "CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY BAGS THE DEFENDANT LOADED INTO THE CAR?" IS THAT FAR ENOUGH OR KEEP GOING?

# 14 MS. CLARK:

LAST TWO.

# 15 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: SO AT THE TIME YOU GAVE THAT TESTIMONY, YOU WERE BEING AS ACCURATE AS YOU COULD AND UNDER OATH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT, SIR?

# 16 A:

YES.

# 17 Q:

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAD OCCASION TO TESTIFY AT THE GRAND JURY; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 18 A:

YES.

# 19 Q:

AND DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED THESE SERIES OF QUESTIONS BY MISS CLARK?

# 20 MR. COCHRAN:

BEGINNING, MISS CLARK, AT PAGE 270. LET'S BEGIN AT LINE 21, AND WE'LL GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO LINE 12 ON PAGE 272.

# 21 MS. CLARK:

GOING HOW FAR, JOHNNIE?

# 22 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL THE WAY TO -- READ ALL THE WAY TO THE END, 272, LINE 12.

# 23 MS. CLARK:

OKAY. GREAT.

# 24 MR. COCHRAN:

ALL RIGHT.

# 25 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: RECALL BEING ASKED THIS SERIES OF QUESTIONS BY MISS MARCIA CLARK AT THE GRAND JURY ON OR ABOUT JUNE 17, 1994? "QUESTION: WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE SUSPECT'S HOUSE, WHAT DRIVEWAY EXIT DID YOU USE; ASHFORD OR ROCKINGHAM? "ANSWER: ROCKINGHAM. "QUESTION: WHEN YOU PULLED OUT OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ANY CAR PARKED ON THE STREET NEXT TO THAT GATE? "ANSWER: THERE WAS A VEHICLE TO MY LEFT. WHEN I WAS EXITING, I NOTICED I HAD TO LOOK AROUND THE VEHICLE. I NEVER NOTICED WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE IT WAS. I DIDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT, BUT THERE WAS A VEHICLE THERE. "QUESTION: YOU SAY A VEHICLE TO YOUR LEFT. THAT WOULD BE THE AREA I'M INDICATING WITH MY PEN." DO YOU REMEMBER SHE THEN POINTED OUT SOMETHING ON THE MAP?

# 26 A:

YES.

# 27 Q:

OKAY. "CORRECT. "WHY DON'T YOU MARK THAT." YOU SAID YOU NOTICED A VEHICLE DOWN THERE. THAT IS TO YOUR LEFT, AS THE DRIVER'S COMPARTMENT.

# 28 A:

YES.

# 29 Q:

"YES (WITNESS COMPLIES). "QUESTION: GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. "YOU EXITED OUT OF THE GATE THAT FEEDS ONTO ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT RIGHT?"

# 30 A:

YES.

# 31 Q:

"ANSWER: YES. "QUESTION: SO YOU'RE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR CAR, RIGHT? "ANSWER: YES. "AND YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE GATE? "ANSWER: THAT'S CORRECT. "QUESTION: SO YOU'RE LOOKING TO YOUR LEFT FOR TRAFFIC, FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC? "ANSWER: YEAH. BOTH WAYS. "QUESTION: DID YOU ATTEMPT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE WHETHER OTHER --" STRIKE THAT. "DID YOU ATTEMPT TO LOOK VERY CAREFULLY TO SEE WHETHER CARS WERE PARKED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY? "ANSWER: THERE WERE NO CARS. "QUESTION:" THAT'S TO THE RIGHT SIDE. "ARE YOU SURE? "ANSWER:"

# 32 MS. CLARK:

WELL, OBJECTION. "THAT'S TO THE RIGHT SIDE" WAS NOT IN THE TRANSCRIPT.

# 33 MR. COCHRAN:

OH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE -- STRIKE THAT. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE WITNESS.

# 34 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

# 35 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: "ARE YOU SURE? "ANSWER: I'M PRETTY SURE. "QUESTION: DID YOU MAKE AN EFFORT TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE WERE ANY CARS THERE? "ANSWER: I LOOKED TO THE RIGHT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY CARS COMING DOWN THE STREET. "QUESTION: WELL, I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU LOOKED TO -- MADE AN EFFORT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A CAR PARKED -- "ANSWER: NO. "QUESTION BY MISS CLARK: THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A CAR PARKED THERE AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT? "ANSWER: CORRECT." DO YOU RECALL SO TESTIFYING AT THE GRAND JURY?

# 36 A:

YES, I DO.

# 37 Q:

AND AGAIN, THE EVENTS WERE FRESH IN YOUR MIND AT THAT POINT, ON OR ABOUT JUNE 17TH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 38 A:

YES.

# 39 Q:

NOW, YOU ALSO HAD OCCASION TO BE INTERVIEWED BY OFFICERS TIPPIN AND CARR ON OR ABOUT JUNE 15TH, 1994, THE FIRST TIME BEING 9:40 IN THE MORNING; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 40 A:

YES.

# 41 Q:

AND AT THAT TIME, YOU GAVE THEM A COMPLETE STATEMENT OF WHAT YOU HAD OBSERVED BACK ON JUNE 12TH. ISN'T THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

# 42 A:

YES.

# 43 Q:

AND THEN YOU HAD OCCASION AFTER MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT MORNING TO TELEPHONICALLY SPEAK WITH TIPPIN AND CARR TO GIVE A FURTHER STATEMENT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT, A REINTERVIEW?

# 44 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 45 Q:

DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 46 A:

YES.

# 47 Q:

AND YOU'VE HAD OCCASION TO READ THAT; HAVE YOU NOT?

# 48 A:

YES, I HAVE.

# 49 Q:

OKAY. AND DO YOU REMEMBER TELLING OFFICERS TIPPIN AND CARR THAT YOU DIDN'T RECALL SEEING A CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE WHEN YOU STOPPED NEAR THE ROCKINGHAM GATE? REMEMBER TELLING THEM THAT?

# 50 A:

YES.

# 51 Q:

AND THAT WAS YOUR STATE OF MIND AT THE TIME YOU TALKED TO THEM; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 52 A:

YES, IT IS.

# 53 Q:

IN FACT, IN NONE OF THE STATEMENTS OR IN ANY -- NONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU'VE TESTIFIED HAVE YOU EVER TESTIFIED ABOUT HAVING YOUR VIEW OBSTRUCTED AT ALL TO THE RIGHT, HAVE YOU, BEFORE TODAY?

KEY QUOTE

# 54 A:

NO.

# 55 Q:

TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THAT; IS THAT RIGHT?

KEY QUOTE

# 56 A:

YES.

# 57 Q:

NOW, LET'S GO BACK TO THE TIME WHEN YOU GOT ONTO THE PREMISES THERE AT ROCKINGHAM.

# 58 A:

UH-HUH.

# 59 Q:

AT SOME POINT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU DROVE THIS STRETCH LIMOUSINE ONTO THE PREMISES THERE AT ROCKINGHAM; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 60 A:

YES.

# 61 Q:

AND YOU WERE LET IN THE GATE BY MR. KATO KAELIN; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 62 A:

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, YES.

# 63 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU RECALL HIM COMING OUT AND OPENING THE GATE OR OPENING THE GATE SOMEWHERE OR OTHER?

# 64 A:

YES.

# 65 Q:

AND THIS IS AFTER YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. SIMPSON; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 66 A:

YES, IT IS.

# 67 Q:

AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, YOU RECOG -- YOU HAD NEVER TALKED TO MR. SIMPSON BEFORE PERSONALLY; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 68 A:

NO.

# 69 Q:

BUT IT WAS YOUR BELIEF IT WAS MR. SIMPSON YOU WERE TALKING TO BECAUSE THE VOICE THAT YOU HEARD SOUNDED JUST LIKE THE VOICE THAT YOU HEARD ON TELEVISION BROADCASTS; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 70 A:

YES.

# 71 Q:

OKAY. IN THAT CONVERSATION, MR. SIMPSON TOLD YOU HE HAD JUST GOT OUT OF THE SHOWER?

# 72 A:

YES, HE DID.

# 73 Q:

AND THAT YOU SAID HE SAID HE WAS OVERSLEPT -- HE HAD OVERSLEPT?

# 74 A:

YES.

# 75 Q:

THAT HE WOULD BE DOWN SHORTLY OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 76 A:

YES.

# 77 MS. CLARK:

MISSTATES THE TESTIMONY.

# 78 THE COURT:

OVERRULED.

# 79 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, EVEN AFTER YOU TALKED TO MR. SIMPSON, THE GATE DIDN'T COME OPEN AT THAT POINT, DID IT?

# 80 A:

NO.

# 81 Q:

AND DID YOU EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM THAT NIGHT WHEREIN HE TOLD YOU THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE TO OPEN THE GATE BECAUSE THE DOG WOULD GET OUT WHEN THAT GATE WAS OPEN? DO YOU EVER REMEMBER TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THAT AT ALL?

# 82 A:

NO.

# 83 Q:

THERE WAS A BLACK CHOW INSIDE THE RESIDENCE THERE; IS THAT --

# 84 A:

YES.

# 85 Q:

AND THAT WAS THE DOG THAT YOU WERE PETTING AT SOME POINT?

# 86 A:

YES.

# 87 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND -- BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. SIMPSON ABOUT THAT CHOW AND HIS PROPENSITY TO GO OUTSIDE THAT YOU RECALL?

# 88 A:

NO. NOT THAT I REMEMBER, NO.

# 89 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO AT ANY RATE, AFTER YOU TALKED WITH MR. SIMPSON, IT WAS MR. KATO KAELIN WHO YOU HAD SEEN FIRST WHO CAME OVER AND LET YOU IN AT SOMEWHERE OR OTHER; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 90 A:

YES.

# 91 Q:

NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS PERSON THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED THAT YOU SAW SOMEWHERE OUT THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY AREA -- AND YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT SOME -- WITH SOME PARTICULARITY, SO I WON'T GO INTO THAT IN DETAIL -- COULD THIS PERSON HAVE HAD A ROBE ON?

# 92 A:

COULD HAVE.

# 93 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU -- YOU COULDN'T TELL FROM YOUR DISTANCE. YOU JUST SAW A PERSON ABOUT SIX FOOT THAT YOU FELT WAS ABOUT 200 POUNDS, RIGHT?

# 94 A:

YES.

# 95 Q:

THAT WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN IN DARK CLOTHING, RIGHT?

# 96 A:

YES.

# 97 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT YOU SAW THIS PERSON ONLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AS THAT PERSON WAS GOING INTO THIS ENTRANCE WAY TO THE RESIDENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 98 A:

YES.

# 99 Q:

AND HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY YOU SAW THAT PERSON?

# 100 A:

IT WAS VERY SHORT.

# 101 Q:

JUST A --

# 102 A:

SECONDS.

# 103 Q:

SECONDS?

# 104 A:

YES.

# 105 Q:

JUST A COUPLE SECONDS?

# 106 A:

YES.

# 107 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- MISS CLARK ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT GLASSES. WERE YOU WEARING YOUR GLASSES THAT NIGHT?

# 108 A:

NO.

# 109 Q:

IT WAS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN AS I UNDERSTOOD YOUR TESTIMONY, THIS PERSON THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US WENT INSIDE THE -- APPEARED TO GO INSIDE THE RESIDENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 110 A:

YES.

# 111 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THERE WAS A GAP OF NO MORE THAN FIVE OR SIX MINUTES BETWEEN THE FIRST TIME YOU ACTUALLY COULD SEE AND IDENTIFY MR. O.J. SIMPSON THAT EVENING; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 112 A:

YES.

# 113 Q:

AND WHEN YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON, BY THIS TIME, YOU HAD PULLED INTO THE DRIVEWAY AREA; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

# 114 A:

REPEAT THAT?

# 115 Q:

OKAY. WHEN YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON COME DOWN AND COME OUT OF THE HOUSE, YOU HAD BY THIS TIME PULLED INTO THE DRIVEWAY AREA.

# 116 A:

YES.

# 117 Q:

CORRECT? AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WERE YOU INSIDE THE STRETCH LIMOUSINE AT THAT POINT OR NOT?

# 118 A:

WHEN HE CAME OUT?

# 119 Q:

YES. WHEN MR. SIMPSON CAME --

# 120 A:

NO. I WAS OUTSIDE.

# 121 Q:

YOU WERE OUTSIDE THE VEHICLE?

# 122 A:

YES.

# 123 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU PULLED IT IN. AND WOULD IT BE -- WOULD I BE CORRECT IF I HAD A WORD PICTURE OF YOU, THAT THE DRIVER'S DOOR OF THE LIMOUSINE, THE FRONT DRIVER'S DOOR WAS SOMEWHERE IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RESIDENCE THERE AT 360?

# 124 A:

YES.

# 125 Q:

AND WHERE WERE YOU STANDING WHEN MR. SIMPSON CAME OUT?

# 126 A:

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, IT WAS -- IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THAT VICINITY OF THE FRONT END OF THE LIMOUSINE.

# 127 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, WHEN YOU DROVE INTO THIS LOCATION, THERE WERE ALREADY SOME BAGS ALREADY OUT THERE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 128 A:

YES.

# 129 Q:

SO NOW -- SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, I WANT YOU TO DESCRIBE FOR THIS COURT AND JURY WHAT BAGS DID YOU SEE AFTER YOU GAINED ENTRANCE INTO THE ROCKINGHAM DRIVEWAY. TELL US WHAT YOU SAW ON THE GROUND OR IN AND AROUND THE PREMISES THERE THAT WERE ALREADY OUT.

# 130 A:

THE ONLY BAGS THAT I SAW AT THAT TIME WERE JUST THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS ON THE PORCH. Q: AND THESE WERE THE BAGS THAT YOU DESCRIBED AS BEING DARK IN COLOR?

# 131 A:

YES.

# 132 Q:

AND THAT YOU I THINK INDICATED THAT AT LEAST IN LENGTH, WERE THEY BOTH ABOUT THREE FEET?

# 133 A:

SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, YEAH.

# 134 Q:

I THINK THE COURT SAID SOMETHING LIKE 36 INCHES. DO YOU RECALL?

# 135 A:

YES.

# 136 Q:

AND ABOUT HOW TALL WERE THEY?

# 137 A:

A FOOT, FOOT AND A HALF.

# 138 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THESE WERE TWO BLACK, FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD, WE'LL CALL THEM DUFFLE BAGS. AND WHERE WERE THEY WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THEM?

# 139 A:

THEY WOULD BE ON THE -- UH, THE ENTRANCE WAY OF THE HOUSE, JUST AT THE END OF THE PATIO BY THE DRIVEWAY.

# 140 Q:

END OF THE PATIO BY THE DRIVEWAY?

# 141 A:

YES.

# 142 MR. COCHRAN:

MAY I HAVE JUST A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR?

# 143 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 144 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, CAN I TRY TO FIND ONE OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS? THANK YOU.

# 145 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 146 MR. COCHRAN:

JUST A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR.

# 147 (BRIEF PAUSE.)

# 148 MR. COCHRAN:

YOUR HONOR, I'M GOING TO ASK MR. HARRIS TO PUT PEOPLE'S 66-E FOR IDENTIFICATION UP ON THE BOARD IF WE MIGHT.

# 149 THE COURT:

YES.

# 150 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: YOU RECALL HAVING BEEN ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR EXHIBIT ON DIRECT EXAMINATION; DO YOU NOT?

# 151 A:

YES.

# 152 Q:

I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT PEOPLE'S 66-E FOR IDENTIFICATION AND I WANT YOU TO TELL THE JURY IF YOU WILL WHERE THESE TWO BLACK DUFFLE BAGS WERE WHEN YOU DROVE INTO THAT DRIVEWAY.

# 153 A:

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THEY WOULD BE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE WAY BEHIND THE "Y" IN "DRIVEWAY."

# 154 Q:

I MISSED THAT. I'M SORRY. IT WAS NEAR WHERE?

# 155 A:

UH, BEHIND THE "Y" IN "DRIVEWAY" --

# 156 Q:

ALL RIGHT.

# 157 A:

-- JUST A LITTLE BIT PAST THAT TOWARDS THE CORNER.

# 158 Q:

SO WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE "Y" IN "DRIVEWAY" ON PEOPLE'S 66, BETWEEN THE "Y" AND THAT CIRCLE THAT APPROACHES THE ENTRANCE WAY?

# 159 A:

YES. THAT WOULD BE ABOUT RIGHT.

# 160 Q:

AND WHERE WERE THEY? WERE THEY ON THE GROUND OR WERE THEY ON SOME OBJECTS OR WHAT AT THAT POINT?

# 161 A:

THEY WERE ON THE GROUND.

# 162 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THEY WERE JUST ON THE GROUND THERE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 163 A:

YES.

# 164 Q:

AND WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE DOOR, WHAT APPARENTLY IS THE FRONT DOOR OF THAT RESIDENCE AS YOU PULLED IN THERE? WAS IT OPEN OR CLOSED OR WHAT?

# 165 A:

IT WAS OPEN.

# 166 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND DID YOU SEE SOME LIGHT EMANATING FROM INSIDE THE RESIDENCE?

# 167 A:

YES.

# 168 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AT THAT POINT, YOU DIDN'T SEE MR. SIMPSON; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 169 A:

NO.

# 170 Q:

DID YOU SEE KATO KAELIN AT THAT POINT?

# 171 A:

YES.

# 172 Q:

AND WAS KATO KAELIN SOMEWHERE OUT ON THAT DRIVEWAY AREA THERE?

# 173 A:

YES, HE WAS.

# 174 Q:

AT THAT TIME?

# 175 A:

YES.

# 176 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW, AT THAT POINT, YOU DESCRIBED THE TWO BLACK DUFFLE BAGS AND WHERE THEY WERE. DID YOU SEE SOME OTHER BAGS THAT WERE IN AND AROUND ON THAT DRIVEWAY AREA AFTER YOU SAW THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS, SIR?

# 177 A:

UH, LATER ON, I SAW THE ONE DUFFLE BAG WHERE IT'S MARKED "B".

# 178 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT WAS LATER ON AND PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT YOU LEFT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 179 A:

YES.

# 180 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT BAG THAT'S MARKED "B" ON -- IS THIS PEOPLE'S 66-E? FROM THE FRONT OF YOUR VEHICLE TO WHERE THAT "B" IS MARKED THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY, HOW FAR IS THAT?

# 181 A:

UH, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 FEET, 25 FEET.

# 182 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND HOW CLOSE DID YOU GET TO THAT -- THAT SMALLER BAG?

# 183 A:

UH, NOT VERY CLOSE.

# 184 Q:

ABOUT 20, 25 FEET AWAY?

# 185 A:

YEAH.

# 186 Q:

OKAY. AND THAT'S AS CLOSE AS YOU GOT?

# 187 A:

YES.

# 188 Q:

OKAY. AND CAN YOU AGAIN DESCRIBE THAT, WHAT COLOR WAS THAT BAG?

# 189 A:

JUST SEEMED TO BE DARK FROM WHERE I WAS. IT WAS DARK IN THAT AREA.

# 190 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND SO YOU JUST SAW IT FROM A DISTANCE I THINK; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 191 A:

YES.

# 192 Q:

AND YOU WEREN'T WEARING YOUR GLASSES AT THAT POINT?

# 193 A:

NO.

# 194 Q:

SO THAT WAS THE THIRD BAG THAT YOU SAW?

# 195 A:

YES.

# 196 Q:

DID YOU SEE SOME OTHER BAG OUT THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY AREA PRIOR TO THE TIME THAT YOU LEFT?

# 197 A:

NO.

# 198 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THE GOLF CLUBS AT SOME POINT.

# 199 A:

YES.

# 200 Q:

AND WHEN IS THE FIRST TIME YOU SAW THE GOLF CLUBS?

# 201 A:

WHEN MR. SIMPSON GOT THEM.

# 202 Q:

AND YOUR -- YOUR RECOLLECTION IS, WHERE DID MR. SIMPSON GET THE GOLF CLUBS FROM?

# 203 A:

I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

# 204 Q:

YOU JUST SAW HIM WITH THE GOLF CLUBS?

# 205 A:

I SAW HIM HAND THEM TO KATO.

# 206 Q:

YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE HE HAD GOTTEN THEM FROM?

# 207 A:

NO.

# 208 Q:

AND PRIOR TO MR. SIMPSON HANDING THESE GOLD CLUBS TO KATO KAELIN, YOU HADN'T SEEN WHERE HE GOT THEM, RIGHT?

# 209 A:

NO.

# 210 Q:

YOU DID DESCRIBE FOR US, DID YOU NOT, THAT THE GOLF CLUBS APPEARED TO BE LIKE A BAG WITHIN A BAG OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE?

# 211 A:

YES.

# 212 Q:

CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT WITH GREATER PARTICULARITY?

# 213 A:

UH, IT WAS JUST AN ALL BLACK SHEATH OVER THE -- OVER THE GOLF BAGS THAT HAD A SWISS ARMY EMBLEM ON IT.

# 214 Q:

YES. AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU COULDN'T SEE THE GOLF CLUBS THEMSELVES; IS THAT CORRECT? THEY WERE ALL COVERED UP BY ANOTHER BAG THAT WAS OVER THE GOLF BAG.

# 215 A:

CORRECT.

# 216 Q:

IS THAT CORRECT?

# 217 A:

YES.

# 218 Q:

OKAY. AND THIS SHEATH THAT WAS OVER THE GOLF BAG HAD SOME SORT OF A SWISS ARMY EMBLEM?

# 219 A:

YES.

# 220 Q:

ALL RIGHT. WHAT COLOR WAS THAT?

# 221 A:

THE EMBLEM?

# 222 Q:

YEAH.

# 223 A:

WHITE.

# 224 Q:

AND WHAT COLOR WAS THE BAG?

# 225 A:

BLACK.

# 226 Q:

NOW, AFTER THIS FIVE- OR SIX-MINUTE PERIOD OF TIME THAT MR. SIMPSON CAME DOWN AND CAME OUT THE ENTRANCE WAY YOU DESCRIBED FOR US, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US EARLIER HE WAS CARRYING SOME SORT OF A BAG. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 227 A:

YES.

# 228 Q:

AND WHAT KIND OF BAG WAS THAT?

# 229 A:

UH, IT WAS A GARMENT BAG THAT, UH, RESEMBLED THE GUCCI PATTERN, GUCCI BAG PATTERN.

# 230 Q:

ALL RIGHT. LET ME -- YOU'VE BEEN SAYING GUCCI PATTERN. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOUIS VUITTON AND GUCCI?

# 231 A:

NO.

# 232 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IF I WERE -- YOU DON'T, DO YOU? OKAY. TRYING TO SEE.

# 233 THE COURT:

DON'T LOOK AT ME.

# 234 MR. COCHRAN:

NO, I WOULDN'T. SOMEBODY HERE HAS ONE, BUT I -- TOMORROW, TOMORROW.

# 235 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: OKAY. BUT SO WHEN YOU SAY IT LOOKS LIKE GUCCI PATTERN, YOU KNOW IT'S ONE OF THOSE DESIGNER PATTERNS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US?

# 236 A:

YES.

# 237 Q:

SO -- HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THOSE BAGS WITH THOSE LITTLE LV'S ON THEM THAT ARE KIND OF BROWN, LV STANDING FOR LOUIS VUITTON?

# 238 A:

UH, I CAN'T SAY I HAVE.

# 239 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WERE TO EVER SEE ANY OF THESE BAGS AGAIN, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE THEM?

# 240 A:

YES.

# 241 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AT ANY RATE, WHATEVER THIS BAG SAID, IT HAD SOME WRITING ON IT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 242 A:

YES.

# 243 Q:

AND WHAT COLOR WAS IT?

# 244 A:

UH, IT WAS A BEIGE.

# 245 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS BAG WAS -- HOW DID YOU SEE MR. SIMPSON WITH THIS BAG WHEN HE CAME OUT THAT FRONT DOOR? HOW WAS HE -- WAS HE CARRYING IT?

# 246 A:

YEAH, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. IT WAS -- IT WAS A BAG THAT IT FELT -- IT FOLDED IN HALF --

# 247 Q:

ALL RIGHT.

# 248 A:

-- HAD A HANDLE IN THE MIDDLE FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AND --

# 249 Q:

HE WAS CARRYING IT WAS HE?

# 250 A:

YEAH.

# 251 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU SAW HIM CARRYING IT IN HIS HANDS; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 252 A:

YES.

# 253 Q:

OKAY. AND DID YOU SEE, DID HE PLACE THAT BAG DOWN SOMEWHERE WHEN HE FIRST CAME DOWN?

# 254 A:

FROM -- FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, HE SET IT BY THE OTHER DUFFLE BAGS.

# 255 Q:

SO AT THAT POINT, THERE WOULD BE PERHAPS THREE BAGS. THERE WOULD BE TWO BLACK DUFFLE BAGS AND THIS DESIGNER BAG, WE'LL CALL IT DESIGNER BAG; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 256 A:

YES.

# 257 Q:

OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE THREE PLUS LATER ON, YOU SEE THE BAG MARKED AT "B" AT 66-E; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 258 A:

YES.

# 259 Q:

AND AT THIS POINT, YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE GOLF CLUBS OR HAVE YOU?

# 260 A:

UH, NO.

# 261 Q:

OKAY. NOW, WHEN YOU FIRST SEE MR. SIMPSON, DO THE TWO OF YOU GREET EACH OTHER AT THAT POINT?

# 262 A:

I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT -- IF --

# 263 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IS HE APPARENTLY RUSHING AROUND AT THIS POINT?

# 264 A:

YES.

# 265 Q:

ALL RIGHT. WHAT TIME IS IT BY NOW?

# 266 A:

NOW, IT IS ABOUT, RIGHT AROUND 11:00 O'CLOCK, LITTLE BIT AFTER.

# 267 Q:

RIGHT AROUND 11:00 OR SHORTLY AFTER 11:00; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 268 A:

YEAH. YES.

# 269 Q:

AND DO YOU HAVE SOME CONCERN AT THIS POINT ABOUT MAKING YOUR FLIGHT?

# 270 A:

YES.

# 271 Q:

AND NOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE EVER PICKED UP O.J. SIMPSON AND YOU KIND OF WANT TO BE ON TIME?

# 272 A:

YES.

# 273 Q:

YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MISS THAT FLIGHT?

# 274 A:

I WOULDN'T WANT HIM TO.

# 275 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR ANY CLIENT INCLUDING MR. SIMPSON. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

# 276 A:

CORRECT.

# 277 Q:

OKAY. SO YOU HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT TIME?

# 278 A:

YES.

# 279 Q:

OKAY. DESCRIBE FOR THE JURY AGAIN IF YOU WOULD WHAT MR. SIMPSON WAS WEARING AS BEST YOU CAN RECALL ON THAT PARTICULAR EVENING.

# 280 A:

IT WAS, UH, KIND OF SOME STONE WASH JEANS.

# 281 Q:

BY STONE WASH JEANS, IS THAT LIGHTER COLOR BLUE JEANS?

# 282 A:

YES.

# 283 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AS THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN ACTUALLY PREWASHED OR WHATEVER?

# 284 A:

YES.

# 285 Q:

OKAY. AND WHAT KIND OF TOP, IF ANY, WAS HE WEARING AT THAT POINT?

# 286 A:

HE HAD A WHITE SHIRT ON, WHITE COLLAR SHIRT, SEEMED TO BE ALMOST LIKE A POLO SHIRT, SHORT SLEEVED.

# 287 Q:

DID YOU SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD ANY KIND OF SHIRT OVER THIS, THIS WHITE SHIRT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US?

# 288 A:

UH, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, HE HAD A BLACK COAT WITH HIM. UH, FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T THINK HE WE WEARING IT THE WHOLE TIME. I'M NOT --

# 289 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THIS BLACK COAT THAT YOU DESCRIBED, DO YOU RECALL THAT HE MAY HAVE HAD IT IN HIS HANDS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE?

# 290 A:

YES.

# 291 Q:

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU RECALL HIM WEARING ANY KIND OF A JEAN SHIRT TOP OVER THIS WHITE SHIRT YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US?

# 292 A:

NO.

# 293 Q:

DO YOU RECALL ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT HIS ATTIRE OR WHAT HE WAS WEARING THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?

# 294 A:

NO. I DIDN'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.

# 295 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT, WOULD I BE AGAIN CORRECT THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING OUT OF THERE AT SOME POINT?

# 296 A:

YES.

# 297 Q:

IS THAT RIGHT?

# 298 A:

YES. I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT CLOTHES.

# 299 Q:

ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT WASN'T IMPORTANT TO YOU AT THAT POINT, WAS IT?

# 300 A:

NO.

# 301 Q:

OKAY. SO YOU SAW HIM BRIEFLY. YOU KNEW NOW THAT THERE WAS LUGGAGE ALL AROUND; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 302 A:

YES.

# 303 Q:

AND YOU KNEW THAT KATO KAELIN WAS IN AND ABOUT AND HE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT A PERCEIVED EARTHQUAKE OR SOME NOISE; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 304 A:

YES.

# 305 Q:

AND YOU SAW HIM WITH THIS LITTLE TINY FLASHLIGHT, RIGHT?

# 306 A:

YES.

# 307 Q:

THAT DIDN'T GIVE OFF MUCH LIGHT?

# 308 A:

CORRECT.

# 309 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AT SOME POINT, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US HOW MR. KAELIN HAD TRIED AT POINT "K" TO GET THE DOG -- BY THE WAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE CALLED THE DOG?

# 310 A:

YES.

# 311 Q:

WHAT WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE DOG'S NAME, IF YOU RECALL?

# 312 A:

UH, IT WAS --

# 313 Q:

WOULD IT REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION IF I SAID CHACHI?

# 314 A:

YEAH.

# 315 Q:

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?

# 316 A:

YES.

# 317 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN HE WAS CALLING FOR THIS DOG CHACHI TO COME WITH HIM -- THAT WAS THE NAME HE USED; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 318 A:

THAT HE USED?

# 319 Q:

YEAH. WHEN YOU SAID THAT HE TRIED TO CALL THE DOG?

# 320 A:

YES.

# 321 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU WERE PETTING THE DOG?

# 322 A:

YES.

# 323 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, YOU ALSO DESCRIBED FOR US, SIR, THAT MR. SIMPSON AND MR. KATO KAELIN WENT INTO THE HOUSE ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. DO YOU RECALL THAT?

# 324 A:

I REMEMBER SIMPSON ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. I DON'T REMEMBER KATO. I REMEMBER THEY WERE IN THE HOUSE TOGETHER AT ONE TIME, YES.

# 325 Q:

ALL RIGHT. LET'S TAKE MR. SIMPSON FIRST IF WE CAN. THIS IS AFTER MR. SIMPSON HAS COME OUT AND BROUGHT THIS DESIGNER BAG AND PUT IT DOWN; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 326 A:

YES.

# 327 Q:

AND THIS IS AFTER NOW 11:00 O'CLOCK; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 328 A:

THAT'S FAIR TO SAY, YES.

# 329 Q:

AND ON HOW MANY OCCASIONS DID YOU SEE MR. SIMPSON GO BACK INTO THE RESIDENCE THERE?

# 330 A:

IT WAS TWO OR THREE TIMES.

# 331 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND DID HE GO BACK THROUGH THAT AREA MARKED ENTRANCE THERE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE THERE ON PEOPLE'S 66-E FOR IDENTIFICATION?

# 332 A:

YES.

# 333 Q:

AND DO YOU RECALL HOW LONG HE STAYED IN THE HOUSE ON EACH OCCASION?

# 334 A:

NO.

# 335 Q:

ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU SAW HIM GO IN AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 336 A:

YES.

# 337 Q:

AND DID YOU EVER WALK UP AND LOOK AT THE ENTRYWAY OR THE FOYER AREA OF THAT PARTICULAR RESIDENCE?

# 338 A:

UH, FOR -- I REMEMBER AT ONE TIME, I THINK I WAS ACTUALLY STANDING INSIDE THERE JUST FOR A COUPLE SECONDS.

# 339 Q:

INSIDE THE FOYER AREA?

# 340 A:

YES.

# 341 Q:

LET ME SHOW YOU THAT AREA AND SEE IF IT REFRESHES YOUR RECOLLECTION AND UNDERSTANDING. LET ME WITH THE COURT'S INDULGENCE PUT PEOPLE'S 112 FOR IDENTIFICATION AND ASK MR. PARK TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

# 342 THE COURT:

ALL RIGHT.

# 343 Q:

BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU RECALL THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE THE FOYER AREA INTO THE FRONT OF THE SIMPSON RESIDENCE THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT?

# 344 A:

YES.

# 345 Q:

THAT SOUNDS -- THAT SEEMS FAMILIAR TO YOU?

# 346 A:

YES.

# 347 Q:

AND YOU SEE THE FRONT DOOR THERE IN THAT PICTURE WITH THE KIND OF A STAIN-GLASSED WINDOW?

# 348 A:

YES, I DO.

# 349 Q:

AND THAT'S THE DOOR THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING EARLIER AS HAVING BEEN OPEN; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 350 A:

YES.

# 351 Q:

OKAY. AND IT'S YOUR TESTIMONY THAT FROM THE TIME YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON COME OUT OF THE RESIDENCE AND BEFORE YOU LEFT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT, MR. SIMPSON CAME BACK INSIDE THAT RESIDENCE TWO TO THREE TIMES, RIGHT?

# 352 A:

YES.

# 353 Q:

ON ONE OF THOSE OCCASIONS, KATO KAELIN CAME INSIDE WITH HIM ALSO; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 354 A:

YES.

# 355 Q:

AND CAN YOU TELL US WHERE KATO KAELIN WAS OR HOW FAR IN THE RESIDENCE HE CAME AT THAT POINT ON THAT OCCASION?

# 356 A:

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, HE WAS JUST STANDING IN THAT AREA.

# 357 Q:

AND WHEN YOU SAY "IN THAT AREA," WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

# 358 A:

IN THE GENERAL AREA OF THE ENTRANCE WAY. JUST A -- HE NEVER LEFT. HE NEVER LEFT THE, UH -- HE NEVER WENT THROUGH ANY OF THE DOORS OR WENT UPSTAIRS OR NOTHING.

# 359 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU SAY "IN THAT AREA," YOU'RE TALKING -- YOU SEE THE AREA THAT HAS APPARENTLY THE WOOD FLOORS THERE?

# 360 A:

YES.

# 361 Q:

THAT'S THE GENERAL AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

# 362 A:

YES.

# 363 Q:

RIGHT? SO YOU SAW KATO KAELIN STANDING IN THAT AREA AT LEAST ON THE ONE OCCASION HE CAME IN?

# 364 A:

YES.

# 365 Q:

AFTER 11 O'CLOCK. NOW -- IS THAT YES?

# 366 A:

YES.

# 367 Q:

OKAY. AND THEN YOU DESCRIBED FOR US, SIR, THAT YOU ALSO MAY HAVE COME IN PART OF THE WAY AT SOME POINT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 368 A:

YES.

# 369 Q:

AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE JURY AGAIN WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AND WHERE YOU WERE?

# 370 A:

I WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN MAYBE TWO OR THREE FEET INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR.

# 371 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, YOU WERE FAR ENOUGH INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR SO THAT YOU WOULD BE ON THE WOOD FLOOR, THE HARDWOOD FLOOR?

# 372 A:

YES.

# 373 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WAS THAT AT THE TIME WHEN KATO KAELIN WAS THERE OR WAS THAT AT THE TIME WHEN MR. SIMPSON WAS INSIDE THERE, IF YOU RECALL?

# 374 A:

I DON'T RECALL. I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT.

# 375 Q:

YOU JUST KNOW THAT ON SOME OCCASION, YOU CAME INSIDE OR AT LEAST TWO TO THREE FEET INSIDE THAT DOOR?

# 376 A:

ON ONE, YES.

# 377 Q:

AS DEPICTED IN PEOPLE'S 112 FOR IDENTIFICATION?

# 378 A:

YES.

# 379 Q:

IS THAT RIGHT?

# 380 A:

YES.

# 381 Q:

AND IF THAT DOOR WERE OPEN, YOUR VEHICLE WOULD BE PARKED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DOOR WITH THE DRIVER'S SIDE DOOR SOMEWHAT PARALLEL TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE SIMPSON RESIDENCE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 382 A:

THAT'S CORRECT.

# 383 Q:

NOW, WHEN YOU WERE INSIDE THAT FOYER AREA SOME TWO TO THREE FEET INSIDE THERE, DID YOU SEE MR. SIMPSON AT THAT POINT, WHERE HE WAS?

# 384 A:

UH, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, WHEN I WAS IN THERE, HE WAS IN THE FRONT AREA ALSO.

# 385 Q:

ALL RIGHT.

# 386 A:

WHERE I WAS.

# 387 Q:

ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU SAY "FRONT AREA," WELL, WHERE WAS HE IN RELATION TO WHERE YOU WERE, SIR?

# 388 A:

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FARTHER BACK INTO THE HOUSE. JUST FROM -- FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THERE'S A WALL.

# 389 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S ASSUME, IF I CAN GET A WORD PICTURE FROM YOU, IF YOU WERE TWO TO THREE FEET INSIDE THE DOOR THERE, MR. SIMPSON WOULD BE TOWARD THE FOREGROUND OF THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 390 A:

YES.

# 391 Q:

IN OTHER WORDS, HE WOULD BE CLOSER TO WHERE THAT PLANT IS; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 392 A:

YES.

# 393 Q:

DO YOU RECALL AT ANY POINT SEEING HIM GO IN SOME OTHER ROOM DOWNSTAIRS IN THE HOUSE WHILE YOU WERE IN THERE?

# 394 A:

UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT. I WASN'T IN THERE VERY LONG. I REMEMBER TURNING AROUND AND WALKING OUT.

# 395 Q:

DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU CAME IN AT THAT POINT AT ALL?

# 396 A:

UH, ACTUALLY, NO.

# 397 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS -- AT THAT POINT, THAT WASN'T TERRIBLY IMPORTANT TO YOU, WAS IT?

# 398 A:

NO.

# 399 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DID AND YOU HAVE A RECOLLECTION OF IT; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 400 A:

YES.

# 401 Q:

ALL RIGHT. THEN YOU WENT BACK OUTSIDE; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 402 A:

YES.

# 403 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND NOW, YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR THE COURT AND JURY THAT AT SOME POINT, MR. SIMPSON OVERHEARD A CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU AND KATO KAELIN REGARDING THIS EARTHQUAKE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 404 A:

YES.

# 405 Q:

AND THEN MR. SIMPSON ASKED IN KIND OF QUIZZICAL TONES, "OH, DID WE HAVE AN EARTHQUAKE," IS THAT -- WORDS TO THAT EFFECT?

# 406 A:

YES.

# 407 Q:

AND DID YOU -- WAS MR. SIMPSON OUTSIDE THERE WHEN KATO KAELIN ASKED YOU IF YOU HAD A LARGER FLASHLIGHT?

# 408 A:

I'M NOT POSITIVE, NO.

# 409 Q:

DID YOU EVER HEAR MR. SIMPSON MAKE REFERENCE TO A FLASHLIGHT OR POSSIBLY HAVING A FLASHLIGHT INSIDE THE HOUSE AT ALL?

# 410 A:

NO.

# 411 Q:

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE EVER WENT INSIDE LOOKING FOR A FLASHLIGHT?

# 412 A:

UH, SIMPSON OR KATO?

# 413 Q:

MR. SIMPSON.

# 414 A:

NO. NOT THAT I REMEMBER, NO.

# 415 Q:

OR MR. KATO?

# 416 A:

NO.

# 417 Q:

DID YOU EVER HEAR MR. SIMPSON MAKE REFERENCE TO LOOKING FOR HIS PHONE BOOK OR HAVING HIS PHONE BOOK?

# 418 A:

NO.

# 419 Q:

DID YOU EVER SEE A PORTABLE PHONE IN MR. SIMPSON'S HANDS AT ANY TIME THAT NIGHT?

# 420 A:

NOT THAT I REMEMBER.

# 421 Q:

SO AT ANY RATE, AFTER THIS TWO OR THREE TIMES THAT MR. SIMPSON CAME INSIDE THE RESIDENCE, AT SOME POINT, HE WENT BACK OUTSIDE IN THE DRIVEWAY AREA; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 422 A:

YES. Q: ALL RIGHT. BY THE WAY, IN THE DRIVEWAY AREA, DID YOU SEE ANY SPOTS OR ANYTHING ON THE DRIVEWAY THAT PARTICULAR --

# 423 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 424 Q:

DID YOU SEE ANY SPOTS IN THE HOUSE AT ALL?

# 425 A:

NO, I DIDN'T.

# 426 Q:

YOU DIDN'T NOTICE ANY SPOTS ANYWHERE, DID YOU?

# 427 A:

NO.

# 428 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AS YOU DROVE YOUR CAR IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND OUT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE, YOU WEREN'T MINDFUL OR COGNIZANT OF ANY SPOTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THERE?

# 429 A:

NO.

# 430 Q:

HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE LIMOUSINE, THE STRETCH LIMOUSINE WAS PARKED RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR OF THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE BEFORE YOU HAD OCCASION TO MOVE IT?

# 431 A:

HOW LONG WAS IT PARKED IN HIS DRIVEWAY?

# 432 Q:

YES. IN HIS DRIVEWAY BEFORE YOU LEFT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT.

# 433 A:

10, 15 MINUTES IF THAT.

# 434 Q:

AT MOST. SO WHAT TIME WOULD YOU PLACE YOURSELF AS GETTING IN THERE AND PULLING INTO THE DRIVEWAY? WHAT TIME WOULD THAT BE?

# 435 A:

THAT WOULD BE AT ABOUT 10:56, 10:57.

# 436 Q:

ABOUT 10:56, 10:57?

# 437 A:

SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, YES.

# 438 Q:

AND YOU HAD SEEN THIS FIGURE THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED IN DARK CLOTHING WHILE YOU ARE ON THE PHONE WITH DALE ST. JOHN; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 439 A:

YES.

# 440 Q:

AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AFTER 10:52.17; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 441 A:

YES.

# 442 Q:

AND IT WAS PRIOR TO THE END OF YOUR CONVERSATION WITH DALE ST. JOHN, WHICH WAS AT 10:55 AND 12 SECONDS; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 443 A:

YES.

# 444 Q:

DID YOU TELL US THAT YOU CONTINUED TO TALK TO ST. JOHN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AFTER YOU SAW THIS FIGURE?

# 445 A:

UH, YES, JUST FOR VERY BRIEFLY, A FEW SECONDS.

# 446 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD YOUR ESTIMATE BE THAT YOU SAW THIS FIGURE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10:54 AND 10:55?

# 447 A:

YES.

# 448 Q:

AND YOU THEN CONCLUDED YOUR CONVERSATION WITH ST. JOHN; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 449 A:

YES.

# 450 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU THEN SHORTLY THEREAFTER GAINED ENTRANCE TO THE ROCKINGHAM ESTATE THERE; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 451 A:

YES.

# 452 Q:

BECAUSE OF KATO KAELIN. AND YOU HAD PLACED THAT WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES THAT YOU GOT INSIDE?

# 453 A:

YES.

# 454 Q:

AND THEN YOU WERE THEN IN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 MINUTES; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 455 A:

YES.

# 456 Q:

AND YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU LEFT THE ROCKINGHAM RESIDENCE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 11:05 AND 11:15 IS YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 457 A:

YES. I -- I KNOW IT WAS AFTER 11:05.

# 458 Q:

AFTER 11:05?

# 459 A:

YEAH.

# 460 Q:

AND MAYBE BEFORE 11:15?

# 461 A:

YES.

# 462 Q:

ALL RIGHT.

# 463 A:

IT WASN'T -- IT WASN'T AFTER 11:15. IT WASN'T BEFORE 11:05.

# 464 Q:

SO IT WAS AFTER 11:05 AND BEFORE 11:15 PROBABLY?

# 465 A:

YES.

# 466 Q:

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

# 467 A:

YES.

# 468 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT YOU GOT -- ALL OF THESE BAGS WERE ASSEMBLED. IN FACT, YOU PUT SOME BAGS INTO THE VEHICLE YOURSELF; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 469 A:

YES.

# 470 Q:

DID YOU PUT THE TWO -- WHICH BAGS DID YOU PUT INSIDE THE VEHICLE?

# 471 A:

I PUT IN THE DESIGNER BAG INTO THE TRUNK.

# 472 Q:

OKAY.

# 473 A:

AND THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS THAT WERE ON THE PORCH, I ASKED HIM WHERE HE WOULD LIKE THOSE.

# 474 Q:

HE ANSWERED?

# 475 A:

AND HE SAID HE WANTED THOSE INSIDE THE CAR.

# 476 Q:

AND YOU DESCRIBED I BELIEVE IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF MISS CLARK'S QUESTIONS THAT THE -- ONE OF THESE BLACK DUFFLE BAGS WAS UNZIPPED; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 477 A:

YES.

# 478 Q:

AND -- BUT DID YOU LOOK INSIDE AND SEE THE CONTENTS?

# 479 A:

NO. WASN'T --

# 480 Q:

WOULD BE IN BAD FORM, RIGHT?

# 481 A:

YES.

# 482 Q:

TO PEEK INSIDE SOMEBODY'S LUGGAGE?

# 483 A:

YES.

# 484 Q:

SO YOU DIDN'T DO THAT, DID YOU?

# 485 A:

NO.

# 486 Q:

AT ANY RATE, YOU PUT THOSE TWO BAGS INSIDE THE CAR?

# 487 A:

YES, I DID.

# 488 Q:

DID YOU PARTICIPATE IN PUTTING ANY OTHER BAGS INSIDE THAT CAR?

# 489 A:

NOT THAT I REMEMBER. I MIGHT HAVE READJUSTED THE GOLF BAGS WITH KATO OR SOMETHING.

# 490 Q:

AND KATO PUT THE -- AFTER BEING HANDED THE GOLF BAG, IT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION -- STRIKE THAT. YOUR RECOLLECTION IS THAT KATO KAELIN ACTUALLY PUT THIS GOLF BAG INTO THE LIMOUSINE AT SOME POINT; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 491 A:

YES.

# 492 Q:

AND HE RECEIVED IT -- YOUR RECOLLECTION IS, HE RECEIVED IT FROM MR. SIMPSON?

# 493 A:

YES.

# 494 Q:

RIGHT? AND WHERE DID HE PUT THE GOLF BAG?

# 495 A:

INTO THE TRUNK.

# 496 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH REGARD TO THE BAG, THE SMALLER BAG WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MARKED AT "B" THERE ON THE DIAGRAM THAT'S NOW UP AGAIN, PLAINTIFF'S 66-E, YOU DON'T RECALL WHETHER THAT BAG WAS PLACED INSIDE OR -- INSIDE THE VEHICLE OR IN THE TRUNK OF THE VEHICLE, DO YOU?

# 497 A:

CORRECT.

# 498 Q:

YOU DON'T KNOW?

# 499 A:

NO.

# 500 Q:

ALL RIGHT. NOW, SO ON SOME POINT, YOU -- ALL THE BAGS ARE IN THE CAR AND YOU'RE ABOUT READY TO LEAVE AT THAT POINT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 501 A:

YES.

# 502 Q:

CAN YOU TELL US WHERE WAS KATO KAELIN AT THE POINT WHEN YOU WERE JUST ABOUT TO LEAVE THE RESIDENCE?

# 503 A:

HE WAS -- HE WAS JUST ABOUT WHERE THE "K" IS. HE WAS -- HE WAS IN THAT AREA.

# 504 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO -- THIS IS -- THIS IS ABOUT THE LOCATION HE IS (INDICATING)? AND FOR THE RECORD, YOUR HONOR, THERE ARE TWO K'S. SO WHICH "K" ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE BLUE "K" OR THE RED "K"?

# 505 A:

YES. DOWN BY THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE. THE BLUE "K".

# 506 Q:

THE BLUE "K" DOWN BY THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE?

# 507 A:

YES.

# 508 Q:

AND THAT WAS AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HEARD WHEREIN MR. SIMPSON WAS GOING TO GO ONE WAY AND HE WAS GOING TO GO THE OTHER WAY TO LOOK FOR THIS SOUND OR THIS NOISE; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 509 A:

YES.

# 510 Q:

AND THEN MR. SIMPSON NOTICED WHAT TIME IT WAS AND HE SAID, "WE GOT TO GO"; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 511 A:

CORRECT.

# 512 Q:

AND YOU ENDORSED THAT, AGREED WITH THAT; DID YOU NOT?

# 513 A:

YES. I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT A WHILE AGO.

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# 514 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU WERE ALREADY KIND OF LATE AS FAR AS YOU WERE CONCERNED?

# 515 A:

YES.

# 516 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS WAS FAIRLY UNFAMILIAR TERRITORY FOR YOU I PRESUME. YOU HAD NOT EVER GONE TO LAX FROM THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 517 A:

CORRECT.

# 518 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU LEFT KATO AT POINT "K", BLUE "K", YOUR HONOR, ON 66-E, AND THEN DID YOU THEN PREPARE TO LEAVE THE RESIDENCE?

# 519 A:

YES.

# 520 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS THAT I'VE ASKED YOU EARLIER FROM THE GRAND JURY AND THE PRELIMINARY HEARING TESTIMONY, YOU THEN PROCEEDED OUT THE ROCKINGHAM GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 521 A:

CORRECT.

# 522 Q:

AND DOES THAT GATE OPEN AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU DRIVE UP TO IT?

# 523 A:

UH, I THINK KATO HAD TO OPEN IT.

# 524 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU THINK THAT KATO CAME AND OPENED IT?

# 525 A:

YEAH. HE WALKED BACK OVER.

# 526 Q:

ALL RIGHT. SO THEN HE THEN LEFT POINT "K", BLUE "K" AND WALKED OVER TO THE FRONT THERE ON ROCKINGHAM?

# 527 A:

CORRECT.

# 528 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU THEN PULLED OUT ONTO ROCKINGHAM AND YOU TURNED LEFT; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 529 A:

CORRECT.

# 530 Q:

TO GO BACK. WERE YOU GOING TOWARDS SUNSET?

# 531 A:

YES.

# 532 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY THEN, NOW YOU AND MR. SIMPSON ARE OF COURSE ALONE IN THE CAR, RIGHT?

# 533 A:

YES.

# 534 Q:

AND HE GIVES YOU SOME DIRECTIONS ABOUT HOW TO GET TO LAX, DOES HE?

# 535 A:

UH, NOT AT THAT POINT, NO. JUST --

# 536 Q:

AT SOME POINT DURING THE RIDE?

# 537 A:

YES.

# 538 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW HOW TO GET BACK TO SUNSET, RIGHT?

# 539 A:

YES.

# 540 Q:

ALL RIGHT. BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO SUNSET AND THE 405, YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT TO GO UP BY THAT KIND OF CIRCULAR HOTEL THERE?

# 541 A:

YES. BECAUSE I'VE -- IN PREVIOUS JOBS, I USED TO DELIVER SOME EQUIPMENT TO UCLA. SO I USED TO COME BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND THEN GO AROUND THAT WAY. SO I -- I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY BACK ON THE FREEWAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH HE TOLD ME.

# 542 Q:

MR. SIMPSON TOLD YOU ABOUT?

# 543 A:

YES.

# 544 Q:

THE WAY YOU COULD GO TO THE RIGHT OR SOUTH; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 545 A:

EXACTLY.

# 546 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU MISSED THAT, YOU MISSED THE FIRST ON RAMP GOING SOUTH ON THE 405; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 547 A:

YES.

# 548 Q:

BUT YOU WERE TOLD THAT IF YOU CONTINUED GOING SOUTHBOUND ON THE SURFACE STREETS, YOU WOULD RUN INTO ANOTHER ON RAMP?

# 549 A:

YES.

# 550 Q:

AND YOU DID THAT; DID YOU NOT?

# 551 A:

YES.

# 552 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AT SOME POINT, HE ALSO GAVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE WITH REGARD TO GETTING OFF AT SEPULVEDA TO SAVE SOME TIME.

# 553 A:

YES.

# 554 Q:

IS THAT CORRECT? NOW, YOU DESCRIBED IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF MISS CLARK'S QUESTIONS THAT IT WAS A JUNE NIGHT, THAT I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS SOMEWHERE PERHAPS 68 TO 70 DEGREES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

# 555 A:

SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

# 556 Q:

ALL RIGHT. IT WAS JUNE. AND MR. SIMPSON SAID TO YOU ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, MAYBE TWO, POSSIBLY THREE OCCASIONS IN A ROW THAT, "I'M HOT," WORDS TO THAT EFFECT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 557 A:

YES.

# 558 Q:

AND YOU TOLD HIM OR SHOWED HIM WHERE THE AIR CONDITIONING WAS; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 559 A:

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOWED HIM. I TOLD HIM THAT HE COULD USE THE AIR CONDITIONER.

# 560 Q:

AND YOU COULD HEAR THE AIR CONDITIONER COMING ON?

# 561 A:

YES. Q: ALL RIGHT. AND IN MOST LIMOUSINES, THERE'S A PARTITION BETWEEN THE -- WHERE THE CLIENT SITS AND WHERE THE LIMOUSINE DRIVER SITS. AND WAS THAT PARTITION DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF YOUR RIDE?

# 562 A:

YES.

# 563 Q:

SO THE TWO OF YOU COULD TALK BACK AND FORTH; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 564 A:

YES.

# 565 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND AS YOU DROVE UP, DID YOU DRIVE FAIRLY RAPIDLY?

# 566 A:

YES.

# 567 Q:

BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO MAKE THIS FLIGHT AGAIN; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 568 A:

CORRECT.

# 569 Q:

SO YOU GOT ON THE 405 AND WERE MOVING OUT, RIGHT?

# 570 A:

YES.

# 571 Q:

OKAY. YOU DESCRIBED THAT AT SOME POINT, DID MR. SIMPSON ASK YOU WHERE THE LIGHT WAS BACK THERE, THE REAR COMPARTMENT?

# 572 A:

YEAH. HE WAS -- HE ASKED ME WHERE A LIGHT WAS.

# 573 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID TO MISS CLARK WAS, THE LIGHT WAS ONLY ON BRIEFLY, FOR PERHAPS 20 TO 30 SECONDS AT MOST; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 574 A:

YES.

# 575 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND MR. SIMPSON SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, "I WAS RUSHING AROUND TRYING TO GET PACKED, I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING," OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 576 A:

YES. EVERYBODY SAYS THAT.

# 577 Q:

AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM OUT OF THE ORDINARY TO YOU, DID IT?

# 578 A:

NO.

# 579 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU HAD IN FACT SEEN HIM RUSHING AROUND; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 580 A:

YES.

# 581 Q:

AND HE HAD ALSO TOLD YOU HE HAD TAKEN A SHOWER; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?

# 582 A:

YES.

# 583 Q:

SO YOU DIDN'T THINK IT UNUSUAL THAT HE WAS SWEATING OCCASIONALLY, DID YOU? HAVING RUSHED AROUND AND TAKEN A SHOWER, IT WASN'T UNUSUAL THAT HE MIGHT BE SWEATING, WAS IT?

# 584 A:

NO.

# 585 Q:

AND SO YOU JUST CONTINUED TO DRIVE AT THIS POINT AS YOU HAD SOME CONVERSATION; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 586 A:

YES.

# 587 Q:

NOW, AS -- YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION IS THAT MR. SIMPSON HAD THE TWO DUFFLE BAGS IN THE BACK WITH HIM; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 588 A:

YES.

# 589 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU DON'T RECALL ANY OTHER BAGS AT THAT POINT, DO YOU?

# 590 A:

BACK THERE WITH HIM?

# 591 Q:

YES. BACK THERE --

# 592 A:

NO.

# 593 Q:

OKAY. AND DID THAT LIMOUSINE HAVE A PHONE IN THE BACK OF IT?

# 594 A:

YES, IT DID.

# 595 Q:

HE DIDN'T USE THE PHONE AT THAT POINT EITHER, DID HE?

# 596 A:

NO.

# 597 Q:

SO THE TWO OF YOU WERE JUST INTENT ON GETTING TO THE AIRPORT; IS THAT RIGHT?

# 598 A:

CORRECT.

# 599 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU GOT TO THE AIRPORT BY 11:35?

# 600 A:

YES.

# 601 Q:

IS THAT CORRECT?

# 602 A:

YES.

# 603 Q:

ALL RIGHT. AND HOW LONG WAS THE DRIVE ALTOGETHER, YOUR BEST RECOLLECTION?

# 604 A:

IT WAS -- IT WAS PRETTY FAST. IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN NOT MUCH MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.

# 605 Q:

YOU GOT THERE PRETTY FAST?

# 606 A:

YEAH. 10, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

# 607 Q:

HOW FAST WERE YOU DRIVING?

# 608 A:

I -- 75 AND 80 SOME PARTS.

# 609 Q:

ALL RIGHT. YOU WERE GOING PRETTY FAST?

# 610 A:

YES.

# 611 Q:

OKAY. AND SO YOU GOT THERE AND THEN YOU WENT AROUND TO AMERICAN AIRLINES, WHICH IS -- YOU WENT AROUND TO TERMINAL FOUR, AMERICAN AIRLINES?

# 612 A:

CORRECT.

# 613 Q:

AND YOU PULLED UP TO THE CURB, DID YOU?

# 614 A:

NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE CURB, NO. I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANOTHER CAR.

# 615 Q:

YOU GOT AS CLOSE AS YOU COULD?

# 616 A:

YES.

# 617 Q:

AND MR. SIMPSON ASKED YOU TO HELP BY GETTING A SKYCAP?

# 618 A:

YES.

# 619 Q:

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET A SKYCAP. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU GOT ONE OF THOSE CARTS AND BROUGHT IT OVER.

# 620 A:

YES.

# 621 Q:

IS THAT CORRECT? AND YOU LET MR. SIMPSON OUT OF THE VEHICLE; IS THAT CORRECT?

# 622 A:

YES.

# 623 Q:

NOW, WITH REGARD TO THAT, IT'S YOUR RECOLLECTION THAT AT SOME TIME, AFTER MR. SIMPSON GOT OUT AND ALTHOUGH HIS PLANE WAS LEAVING IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES, SOMEBODY APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED FOR AN AUTOGRAPH?

# 624 A:

YES.

# 625 Q:

AND DID YOU SEE HIM ACCOMMODATE THAT INDIVIDUAL?

# 626 A:

YES, HE DID.

# 627 Q:

AND DID HE SIGN THE AUTOGRAPH?

# 628 A:

YEAH. YES.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (5)

Johnnie Cochran

IN FACT, IN NONE OF THE STATEMENTS OR IN ANY -- NONE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU'VE TESTIFIED HAVE YOU EVER TESTIFIED ABOUT HAVING YOUR VIEW OBSTRUCTED AT ALL TO THE RIGHT, HAVE YOU, BEFORE TODAY?

Core impeachment: Park's claim about an obstructed view of the Rockingham side (where the Bronco would have been parked) was a new claim introduced only at trial.

Allan Park

TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THAT; IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

Park concedes the obstructed-view claim was not in any prior statement, undercutting the prosecution's narrative that Park couldn't have seen the Bronco.

Lance A. Ito

DON'T LOOK AT ME.

Judge Ito's deadpan quip when Cochran asked the courtroom whether anyone could tell the difference between Gucci and Louis Vuitton — a rare moment of levity.

Allan Park

I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT A WHILE AGO.

Park's candid admission about his anxiety over the late departure reinforces the chaotic, rushed atmosphere at Rockingham that night.

Allan Park

NO, I DIDN'T.

In response to repeated questions about spots on the driveway or inside the house — Park saw nothing unusual, undermining any suggestion of visible blood evidence.

Evidence (5)

People's 66-E

Diagram/photograph of the Rockingham driveway area, annotated with letters marking bag locations and Kato's position

Discussed; Park uses it to locate the duffle bags, the mystery bag at 'B', and Kato's position at the blue 'K'

People's 112

Photograph of the foyer/entrance area inside the Simpson Rockingham residence

Introduced during cross; used to establish where Park, Kato, and Simpson were standing inside the house

Informal

Preliminary hearing transcript (testimony given under oath to Marcia Clark, pages 356+)

Read into the record by Cochran to establish Park said he did not look at parked cars on the right when exiting

Informal

Grand jury transcript (June 17, 1994, pages 270–272, testimony to Marcia Clark)

Read into the record; Park acknowledged there 'were no cars' to the right and that he may not have looked carefully

Informal

Police interview statements to Officers Tippin and Carr (June 15, 1994, 9:40 a.m. and telephonic reinterview)

Referenced; Park confirmed he told officers he did not recall seeing a car parked in front of the residence when near the Rockingham gate

Notable Exchanges (4)

Johnnie Cochran•Allan Park

Cochran walks Park through three layers of prior testimony — preliminary hearing, grand jury, and police interviews — to establish that the 'obstructed view' claim about the right side of Rockingham was never mentioned until trial testimony that day.

strategic

Johnnie Cochran•Allan Park

Cochran asks whether Park saw any spots on the driveway, inside the house, or anywhere else. Park says no to each question, delivered flatly.

strategic

Johnnie Cochran•Marcia Clark•Lance A. Ito

Clark objects that Cochran inserted 'that's to the right side' into the grand jury reading; Cochran strikes it and claims he was just clarifying for the witness. Ito allows it.

procedural

Johnnie Cochran•Allan Park

Cochran establishes Park was not wearing his glasses, only saw the dark-clothed figure for a matter of seconds, and could not rule out that the figure wore a robe — softening the significance of the sighting.

strategic

Light Moments (2)

Lance A. Ito / Johnnie Cochran

Cochran asks Park if he knows the difference between Gucci and Louis Vuitton, then turns to the courtroom asking if anyone can tell. Judge Ito deadpans 'DON'T LOOK AT ME.' Cochran responds: 'SOMEBODY HERE HAS ONE, BUT I -- TOMORROW, TOMORROW.'

Johnnie Cochran

Cochran tells Clark he'll read the extended transcript passage himself 'IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION.' Ito replies 'THANK YOU.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Allan Park

prior inconsistent statement / omission

Cochran systematically demonstrates through the preliminary hearing transcript, grand jury transcript, and police interview statements that Park never previously mentioned his view to the right side of the Rockingham driveway being obstructed by a parked vehicle — a claim Park appeared to make for the first time on direct examination. Park concedes each point and confirms today was the first time the jury heard it.

Witness Demeanor

Cooperative and non-defensive throughout; answers are consistently short and measured

Admits without resistance that the obstructed-view claim was new as of trial

Candid about his anxiety over the late departure ('I thought we should have left a while ago')

Acknowledges multiple memory gaps ('I can't remember that,' 'Not that I remember, no')

Objections

3 objections (0 sustained, 1 overruled)

Proceeding 5445 • 628 utterances • Prosecution witness

Criminal Trial

Department 103