BY MR. COCHRAN: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS IF I MIGHT, SIR. HOW LONG HAD YOU WORKED FOR MR. DALE ST. JOHN PRIOR TO JUNE 12TH OF 1994?
IT WAS AROUND TWO AND A HALF, THREE MONTHS. Q: AND HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN A LIMOUSINE DRIVER AS OF JUNE 12TH, 1994?
AND DID YOU FIND OUT ON JUNE 12TH OF 1994 THAT YOU WOULD BE TAKING OR PICKING UP MR. SIMPSON AND TAKING HIM TO THE AIRPORT?
AND MR. ST. JOHN GAVE YOU SOME INSTRUCTIONS DID YOU ABOUT -- DID HE ABOUT PICKING UP MR. SIMPSON?
HE TOLD YOU TO BE THERE, THAT YOU SHOULD PICK HIM UP SOMEWHERE AROUND 10:45 P.M.; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND I THINK YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WERE AWARE THAT MR. SIMPSON WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING ON A FLIGHT AT OR AROUND 11:45 P.M. ON JUNE 12TH; IS THAT CORRECT?
NOW, DID HE GIVE YOU ANY OTHER SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT MR. SIMPSON AND DEALING WITH MR. SIMPSON AT ALL WHEN YOU FIRST TALKED WITH HIM?
ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU KNEW THIS WAS -- IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE BUSINESS AND IMPORTANT TO MR. -- MR. ST. JOHN TO DO A GOOD JOB THAT NIGHT; IS THAT CORRECT?
IN THIS INSTANCE, HOWEVER, THIS WOULD BE -- THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU HAD EVER PICKED UP MR. SIMPSON?
ALL RIGHT. AND AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED, COMING FROM THE SOUTH BAY, YOU DID NOT KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO GET TO THE ROCKINGHAM LOCATION, DID YOU?
ALL RIGHT. HAD MR. ST. JOHN TOLD YOU THAT ON OCCASION, MR. SIMPSON RUNS LATE AND HE'S RUNNING AROUND LATE ON THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT?
HE TOLD YOU THAT BEFORE YOU GOT THERE AND HE TOLD YOU THAT IN THAT PHONE CONVERSATION ALSO; IS THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, PRIOR TO YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, YOU'VE HAD OCCASION, HAVE YOU NOT, TO MEET WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS IN THIS CASE?
AND ON HOW MANY OCCASIONS WOULD YOU -- WELL, STRIKE THAT. TELL US WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET MISS MARCIA CLARK, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT THE FAR END OF THE TABLE?
AND IT WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY YOU TALKED TO HER PRIOR TO YOUR TESTIMONY AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND IT WOULD BE A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY YOU TALKED AND GAVE A STATEMENT TO POLICE OFFICERS TIPPIN AND CARR ON OR ABOUT JUNE 15TH, 1994; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND THEN YOU HAD A SECOND INTERVIEW WITH TIPPIN AND CARR ALSO ON JUNE 15TH, 1994 BY TELEPHONE; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND PRIOR TO YOUR TESTIFYING HERE TODAY, YOU'VE HAD OCCASION IN THE RECENT PAST TO TALK TO MISS MARCIA CLARK, HAVE YOU?
UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. WE WERE HERE A LITTLE LONGER, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISTRACTIONS IN-BETWEEN. SO --
ALL RIGHT. AND AFTER THAT INTERVIEW WITH MISS CLARK ON FRIDAY AT ABOUT 11:00 O'CLOCK, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO TALK TO HER ALSO THIS MORNING BRIEFLY?
ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING IN PREPARATION FOR YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, ANY OF THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM ANY OF THE EARLIER HEARINGS?
ALL RIGHT. SO YOU READ EVERYTHING THAT -- YOU READ YOUR TESTIMONY AT THE GRAND JURY; IS THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND YOU READ YOUR TWO STATEMENTS TO OFFICERS TIPPIN AND CARR BACK ON JUNE 15TH; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND AS WITH ALL OF US, I PRESUME THAT YOUR MEMORY WAS BETTER BACK IN JUNE OF 1994 FOR EVENTS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE ON JUNE 12TH THAN IT IS NOW. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?
ALL RIGHT. AND SO IN THE COURSE OF READING AND REVIEWING YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU TRIED AS BEST YOU COULD TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE EVENING OF JUNE 12TH, 1994, THAT WAS A SUNDAY EVENING; WAS IT NOT?
AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU ARRIVED AT THE SIMPSON RESIDENCE FAIRLY EARLY. YOU GOT THERE SOMEWHERE EARLIER THAN 10:45; IS THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND YOUR IDEA IN GETTING THERE EARLY WAS TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE ON TIME AND THAT YOU GOT HIM TO THE AIRPORT ON TIME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND ONE OF THE REASONS YOU WERE GOING TO LEAVE AT 10:45 OR WANTED TO LEAVE AT 10:45 WAS BECAUSE YOU KNEW YOU HAD AN 11:45 FLIGHT TO CATCH; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD THOUGHT ABOUT LEAVING AT 10:45, YOU ACTUALLY DIDN'T LEAVE UNTIL SOME TIME AFTER 11:00 O'CLOCK; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR TESTIMONY AGAIN, YOU LEFT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 11:05 AND 11:15 OUT OF THE ROCKINGHAM GATE; IS THAT CORRECT?
BY MR. COCHRAN: NOW, THAT NIGHT, YOU WERE -- YOU SAW MR. SIMPSON FOR AT LEAST THE PERIOD 10:55 OR THEREABOUTS UNTIL YOU DROPPED HIM OFF AT THE OR LEFT HIM AT THE AIRPORT THERE AT ABOUT 11:35; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU LEFT HIM WITH THE SKYCAP OR LEFT HIM CHECKING HIS LUGGAGE AND THEN YOU WENT ON AND WENT BACK HOME; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, YOU HAD OCCASION, DID YOU NOT, TO SEE MR. SIMPSON'S HANDS, DIDN'T YOU?
IN FACT, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT AT ONE POINT, YOU SHOOK HIS HAND, HIS RIGHT HAND; IS THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND YOU SAW HIM, I THINK YOU'VE DESCRIBED FOR US, COMING DOWN THE STAIRS CARRYING SOME BAGS WITH HIS HANDS; ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
AND DID YOU EVER SEE ANY BAND AIDS ON HIS LEFT HAND, ON HIS LEFT KNUCKLE, MIDDLE FINGER HERE (INDICATING)?
NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE EVENTS OF THAT EVENING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT YOU WOULD PUSH THIS BELL ON THE OUTSIDE. AND DID YOU FIND THAT IF YOU PUSHED THE BELL JUST ONCE, THAT IT CONTINUED TO RING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? COULD YOU HEAR IT RINGING?
NOW, DID YOU EVER ON THAT DAY OR ANY TIME THAT EVENING HAVE ANY INSTRUCTIONS FROM MR. DALE ST. JOHN WITH REGARD TO HOW HE WOULD COME AND PICK UP MR. SIMPSON AND WHETHER OR NOT MR. SIMPSON WOULD OPEN THE GATE FOR HIM? DID YOU EVER TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT?
IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU WERE AWARE THAT MR. ST. JOHN HAD PICKED UP MR. SIMPSON ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS BEFORE JUNE 12TH?
ALL RIGHT. NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN YOU FIRST DROVE UP, YOU AT SOME POINT ENDED UP PARKING ACROSS FROM THE ASHFORD GATE AND GOT OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE; IS THAT CORRECT?
AND THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT ON SUNDAY EVENING AFTER 10:30, BETWEEN 10:30 AND 11:00 O'CLOCK, WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WAS FAIRLY QUIET OUT THERE ON THAT STREET THAT NIGHT?
AND YOU COULD HEAR NOISES ATTENDANT TO THE STREET THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT FROM YOUR LOCATION; COULD YOU NOT?
AND I THINK YOU DESCRIBED FOR US THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU PARKED THE CAR THERE ON ASHFORD AND YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR CAR AND I THINK YOU HAD A CIGARETTE; IS THAT CORRECT?
ALL RIGHT. AND AT ANY TIME WHILE YOU WERE OUT THERE THAT NIGHT, DID YOU EVER HAPPEN TO HEAR A CAR DRIVE UP OR HEAR THE SOUND OF A CAR DRIVE UP AND STOP ANYWHERE AROUND THERE?
NO. THERE -- I HEARD CARS. I HEARD CARS GO BY, BUT I NEVER HEARD A CAR PULL UP AND STOP, NO.
KEY QUOTEYOU DIDN'T SEE ANY LIGHTS ON THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN CAME TO A STOP AND WERE TURNED OFF THAT PARTICULAR EVENING, DID YOU?
AND WOULD I BE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT WHAT YOU WERE MOST CONCERNED WITH THAT PARTICULAR EVENING WAS FINDING OUT IF MR. SIMPSON WAS AT HOME, GETTING HIM SO YOU COULD GET TO THE AIRPORT? WAS THAT YOUR CONCERN?
AT THAT TIME, IT WASN'T SO IMPORTANT TO YOU I PRESUME AS TO WHAT CARS WERE PARKED WHERE ON THE STREET. THAT WASN'T IMPORTANT TO YOU, WAS IT?
IN FACT, YOU RECALL TESTIFYING AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING WITH REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD LOOKED FOR ANY PARKED CARS, DON'T YOU? REMEMBER SO TESTIFYING AND BEING ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKED CARS ON THE STREET AT OR NEAR ROCKINGHAM THAT DAY?
OF THE PRELIMINARY HEARING TRANSCRIPT. AND I'M LOOKING AT -- BEGINNING AT LINE 15. COUNSEL HAS IT NOW, YOUR HONOR.
BY MR. COCHRAN: DO YOU RECALL BEING ASKED THESE QUESTIONS AND GIVING THESE RESPONSES BACK AT THE PRELIMINARY HEARING IN THIS MATTER?
NO. THERE -- I HEARD CARS. I HEARD CARS GO BY, BUT I NEVER HEARD A CAR PULL UP AND STOP, NO.
NO.
IT WAS VERY QUIET.
THAT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY, YES.