📄 Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 6) — Wednesday, June 7, 1995
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Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 6)

Witness: Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Examiner: Brian Kelberg
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Wednesday, June 7, 1995 • Utterances: 544
Kelberg continues his direct examination of Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Lakshmanan, walking through autopsy photographs of Nicole Brown Simpson's hands and scalp to catalog her defensive wounds. The testimony methodically documents Dr. Golden's errors in the original autopsy protocol while repeatedly establishing that those mistakes carry no significance to the cause of death or other 'big picture' questions. A key forensic finding is that the paucity of defensive wounds indicates Nicole was rapidly incapacitated.
1 (The following proceedings were held in open court, in the presence of the jury:)
2 THE COURT:

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated. Doctor. All right. Let the record reflect we've been rejoined by all the members of our jury panel. Dr. Lakshmanan is again on the witness stand. Mr. Kelberg, you may continue.

3 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor. And, your Honor, I have another board of photographs that I will ask to be marked as exhibit I think we're at 355?

4 THE COURT:

People's 355.

5 (Peo's 355 for id = board of photos)
6 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, again, with the Court's permission--and I think we're going to start with these photos.

7 (Brief pause.)
8 THE COURT:

Mr. Kelberg.

9 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor.

10 MR. KELBERG:

Dr. Lakshmanan, I want to begin the testimony of these photographs on exhibit 355 by looking initially at the photographs B-30 and B-29 that are in the lower series of photographs. Let's start with B-30. What is shown in that photograph, doctor?

11 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

B-30 shows the left hand of Miss Nicole Brown Simpson. You can identify all Coroner's photographs by the blue card. It has the case number there. And it shows the palmar aspect of the ventral aspect of the left hand and also the portion of the forearm, and there are no injuries seen in the areas which has been photographed.

12 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, what kind of injuries if any in particular would you as a forensic pathologist be looking for on the palmar surface or in the palmar area of the hand and fingers as shown in this photograph in a case involving sharp force injuries?

13 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You would expect to see Defense wounds like cuts and puncture wounds, and that's what you look for, and that is why this photograph is taken, to show there's no injuries seen to the palmar aspect of the left hand.

14 MR. KELBERG:

How are defensive wounds created?

15 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

They are created when the victim uses the hand or palm of the hand to ward off any inflicting injury.

16 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, are there common ways that forensic pathologists find victims of impending sharp force injury attack try to ward off such attack by use of the hands?

17 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You will usually see the cuts in the palms of the hands, you can see the wrists and forearms sometimes and the back of the hands.

18 MR. KELBERG:

With respect to the palms of the hands, how can those injuries be created?

19 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

One, the victim could try to hold the knife, and you would get injuries which would be consistent with it, or sometimes when a thrust is attempted on the victim, the victim could hold up the hand to prevent the thrust hitting the vital area. So the hand could get a puncture type stab wound. So it could be a variety of types of injuries you could see on the hand depending what the victim tried to do, if the injury pattern allows a forensic pathologist to interpret.

20 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, and on this left hand of Nicole Brown Simpson, the palmar side, did you find any evidence whatsoever of defensive wounds?

21 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

22 MR. KELBERG:

Was the absence of defensive wounds of any significance to you as a forensic pathologist?

23 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

We only looked at the left hand.

24 MR. KELBERG:

Yes. And I want to ask you with respect to the absence of defensive wounds that you say are not present, that is the absence of them, what significance if any does that have to you as a forensic pathologist?

25 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The absence of injuries to the left palmar hand shows that she did not receive any such injuries to that part of the body. So most likely, she was either incapacitated or rapidly incapacitated and did not use the left upper extremity in that Defense.

26 MR. KELBERG:

And if incapacitated, not just didn't use, but incapable of using that area of the hand to ward off an attack?

27 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

28 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, does Dr. Golden in his report protocol address the absence of defensive wounds to the palmar surface of the left hand?

29 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

30 MR. KELBERG:

And does he diagram in any fashion on any of the available diagrams the absence of such wounds?

31 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The diagrams are blank. There's no injury described on the diagram.

32 MR. KELBERG:

Would you expect him to have a separate entry to reflect no defensive wounds noted?

33 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

He has done that.

34 MR. KELBERG:

And we'll see that on whichever is the appropriate diagram?

35 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

36 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, looking now on B-29, what does that show?

37 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That shows several findings. There is a linear--

38 MR. KELBERG:

We'll get the pointer. Mr. Lynch can--

39 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

There's a 3/8 inch linear cut type abrasion to the back of the left hand, it appears the left ring finger. There is a small punctate abrasion which measures 1/16 of an inch in the base of the left ring finger. There is another 1/16 inch abrasion to the middle of the middle finger and there's also another small abrasion here (Indicating) to the base of the left middle finger. So the main injuries are three small abrasions and the small cut abrasion to the back of the left hand.

40 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, in your wound chart for Nicole Brown Simpson, which I believe is exhibit 350, do you identify each of these injuries that you just pointed out on this photograph, B-29?

41 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

42 MR. KELBERG:

And do you do so under the description for photograph B-29?

43 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

44 MR. KELBERG:

Have you arbitrarily identified these injuries by sequential numbering?

45 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

46 MR. KELBERG:

And did you number them sequentially in the fashion in which you just pointed them out?

47 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

48 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, starting with what you described as the cut abrasion which, in looking at the photograph, appears to be about perhaps a half an inch or so below the blue horizontally oriented measuring card; is that correct?

49 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

50 MR. KELBERG:

What is a cut abrasion?

51 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Basically the--

52 MR. KELBERG:

And keep your voice up, please, doctor.

53 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It is caused by a knife, but it could have been from the knife being drawn on the skin wherein you have some scraping of the skin, but doesn't cause a clear-cut deep incision wound there.

54 MR. KELBERG:

And is that something that can be caused by a single-edged knife such as you've previously described?

55 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

56 MR. KELBERG:

And is that caused by the sharpened--the edged--sharp-edged side of the blade or the blunt-end side of blade or what?

57 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I would favor it being caused by a blunt-edged tip of the blade.

58 MR. KELBERG:

Why?

59 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because it's not caused a significant deep cut. It's just a superficial linear cut type abrasion.

60 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, would you describe that cut abrasion as a defensive wound?

61 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

62 MR. KELBERG:

Why?

63 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because that part of the hand was trying to ward off a particular injury to the body, but only a portion of the knife struck the skin surface. So it was not--so it didn't leave a deeper cut.

64 MR. KELBERG:

Can you, using myself as one participant and yourself as the other, indicate in some fashion how that type of injury could come to be inflicted if you use my left hand to represent that of Nicole Brown Simpson and you play the role of the perpetrator holding a knife, how that can occur?

65 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

If I'm trying to stab you in the neck and you try to ward your hand, your hand may not have come at the same time when I--when I was trying to inflict the injury on the neck (Demonstrating). So only a portion of the blunt part could have struck the hand is one way, and this cut abrasion could also be caused by other mechanisms.

66 MR. KELBERG:

What other mechanisms?

67 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Well--

68 THE COURT:

And, Mr. Kelberg, let me ask that you repeat that in reverse--

69 MR. KELBERG:

Oh, okay.

70 THE COURT:

--because I think the jurors on that end of the box were not able to see your demonstration.

71 MR. KELBERG:

And I didn't try to describe it for the record because I don't think I could do that very easily, but we'll try maybe better with this.

72 THE COURT:

All right. Doctor, I think you're going to have to take a step that way since you're being shielded out by the diagram. Go ahead.

73 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

One mechanism would be, when the thrust is being attempted, the hand could be raised and block the stabbing of the vital area of the body by the victim and--but the knife did not strike the entire portion of the hand, only the tip of it grazing the surface of the skin (Demonstrating). And that would be a mechanism by which this cut abrasion could have taken place.

74 MR. KELBERG:

And basically, your Honor, for the record, I raised my left hand so the back of the hand is facing Dr. Lakshmanan who is facing me. Dr. Lakshmanan raised his right hand and made a thrusting motion in the direction of my left hand as if to have a knife being thrust towards me.

75 THE COURT:

In an overhand motion. Yes.

76 MR. KELBERG:

In an overhand motion.

77 THE COURT:

Yes.

78 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's one mechanism as I said. But the other--there are many other possibilities. When the knife is being wielded against this particular victim, the hand could have been injured in a similar fashion, but not necessarily when the thrust to a particular area of the body took place.

79 MR. KELBERG:

Can you explain it in some fashion?

80 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

When the hand is--when the victim is trying to protect herself from this assault and the knife is being wielded, you could have a similar cut, but the knife did not cause a deep cut, but just a superficial cut. So it could be two--one--

81 MR. KELBERG:

Talk to this side.

82 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

One way could be that when the hand was right in front, but did not get the full cut. The other way is that the hand just got a portion of the knife injury causing a superficial cut.

83 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, from the depiction of that cut abrasion in the photograph B-29, is there any way that you as a trained forensic pathologist can provide more--a more definitive answer as to the actual positions of the perpetrator and Nicole Brown Simpson at the time that cut abrasion was inflicted?

84 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

85 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, can you determine from your review of the photograph whether that cut abrasion was in fact inflicted while Nicole Brown Simpson was alive?

86 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

87 MR. KELBERG:

How can you do so?

88 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because of appearance and the coloration and the description given in the report.

89 MR. KELBERG:

Can you form an opinion as to how long from the infliction of that cut abrasion at a minimum Nicole Brown Simpson must have had a beating heart and blood pressure?

90 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This happened when she was alive, and you can get this injury as early as one minute before death.

91 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, starting with that cut abrasion, did Dr. Golden address that cut abrasion in his original protocol?

92 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he did.

93 MR. KELBERG:

Did he diagram it anywhere?

94 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

95 MR. KELBERG:

And was it addressed at all in his addendum?

96 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. No. It was not addressed in his addendum.

97 MR. KELBERG:

Was there any need in your opinion for it to be addressed in his addendum?

98 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

99 MR. KELBERG:

Why not?

100 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because he had addressed it properly in the original report.

101 MR. KELBERG:

Now, the second wound that you identified or injury, I believe you referred to as a "Punctate abrasion"?

102 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

103 MR. KELBERG:

And we had that term on our chart yesterday. But would you refresh our recollections regarding what is a "Punctate abrasion"?

104 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

"Punctate abrasion" is a very small localized area of the scraping injury.

105 MR. KELBERG:

And what if any causes would be possible for this particular punctate abrasion that you have identified in photograph B-29?

106 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's a very non-specific injury.

107 MR. KELBERG:

Can you generalize as to the type of mechanisms that can lead to such a punctate abrasion?

108 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The--it's a blunt force trauma against a rough surface. But also, as I recall, she was wearing a ring on the finger, the crime scene photograph, if you can go back to the--

109 MR. KELBERG:

You're going to have to keep your voice up and we'll get the crime scene photograph out. Doctor, if you'll slide the board that's closest--I have a feeling that people that run that machine don't like to hear the sound of metal against that machine. Thank you. Let me put back up 354 and ask if you see something. We invite your attention to--

110 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

111 MR. KELBERG:

--the photograph cS-39.

112 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

There's a ring in that same area and the abrasion--

113 MR. KELBERG:

Keep your voice up, please.

114 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

--the abrasion is the same region. So during the altercation of the hand that hit any particular rough surface, you could get an abrasion in relationship to that area.

115 MR. KELBERG:

Would you describe these stairs that you visited at the Bundy location as a rough surface?

116 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

117 MR. KELBERG:

Or the walkway that is shown in a number of these photographs as a rough surface?

118 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

119 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, are you able to determine whether or not that punctate abrasion was inflicted while Nicole Brown Simpson was alive?

120 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

121 MR. KELBERG:

What's your opinion on that?

122 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

She was alive.

123 MR. KELBERG:

Why?

124 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because of appearance of abrasion.

125 MR. KELBERG:

And is it safe to say that neither the cut abrasion nor this punctate abrasion have any significance whatsoever on the cause of death for Nicole Brown Simpson?

126 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

127 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden describe in his protocol the punctate abrasion that you have pointed out on photograph B-29?

128 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

129 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden diagram that punctate abrasion?

130 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

131 MR. KELBERG:

And did he address it at all in his addendum?

132 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It was not addressed in his addendum because there was no necessity to.

133 MR. KELBERG:

No necessity to?

134 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

135 MR. KELBERG:

All right, doctor. And we're not marking on the photograph where these injuries are, but the punctate abrasion is on the left ring finger; is that correct?

136 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

137 MR. KELBERG:

And it's closer to the hand than it is to the nail of that finger; is that correct?

138 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

139 MR. KELBERG:

Now, the third injury--would you point that one out again for us, where it is, please, doctor?

140 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Back of the middle pharynx or the middle of the middle finger.

141 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, would it be accurate to say that that injury can be seen, it's in about the middle if you look side to side of that finger and it's a little bit closer to the nail than it is to the hand?

142 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

143 MR. KELBERG:

What kind of injury is injury no. 3?

144 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Again, it's a non-specific blunt force injury. It's a scraping against a rough surface or contact with a--blunt force injury on a rough surface.

145 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden address this in the protocol?

146 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

147 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden diagram this in any of the diagrams?

148 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No. No.

149 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden address this in any of the--in the addendum?

150 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

151 MR. KELBERG:

In your opinion, doctor, is his failure to do each of those three things a mistake?

152 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

153 MR. KELBERG:

Is there any significance on any of these big ticket questions for his mistakes either singularly or all three together?

154 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

None.

155 MR. KELBERG:

Why not?

156 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because it's a non-specific abrasion and it doesn't affect the big picture as I already alluded to earlier in my other injury descriptions.

157 MR. KELBERG:

Are you able to tell from looking at this particular blunt force trauma, the specific positions or the rela--even the relative positions. Let me ask you that--the relative positions of Nicole Brown Simpson and the perpetrator at the time that injury was received?

158 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

159 MR. KELBERG:

And if not the relative, then may we safely assume that you can not identify the specific positions that the two of them had at the time that injury was received?

160 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

161 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, there was a fourth injury I believe you described?

162 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The approximate portion of the--

163 MR. KELBERG:

Keep your voice up, please.

164 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

--base of the right middle--excuse me--left middle finger, and I found a small abrasion there.

165 MR. KELBERG:

And for the record, that appears to be very close to where the finger joins the hand; is that correct?

166 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

167 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor--I'm sorry. That is an abrasion?

168 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

169 MR. KELBERG:

And again, are you able to identify the type of source or sources responsible for that?

170 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's a non-specific blunt force trauma.

171 MR. KELBERG:

Received prior to death?

172 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

173 MR. KELBERG:

Of any significance in any of the big picture questions?

174 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

175 MR. KELBERG:

Was it addressed in the protocol?

176 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

177 MR. KELBERG:

Was it diagrammed anywhere?

178 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

179 MR. KELBERG:

Was it addressed in any of the addendum?

180 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

181 MR. KELBERG:

All mistakes?

182 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

183 MR. KELBERG:

Any significance to the mistakes?

184 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

185 MR. KELBERG:

For all the same reasons?

186 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

187 MR. KELBERG:

So we have two that are addressed and two that are not; is that accurate?

188 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

189 MR. KELBERG:

Let's take a quick look at the two that are addressed.

190 (Brief pause.)
191 THE COURT:

All right. Mr. Kelberg, we'll need to move that one for--

192 MR. KELBERG:

Which one, your Honor?

193 THE COURT:

The tall board.

194 MR. KELBERG:

The tall one?

195 THE COURT:

Yes.

196 MR. KELBERG:

Can we just put it back and--

197 THE COURT:

Yes.

198 MR. KELBERG:

Fortunately, I think that's the only place that--

199 (Brief pause.)
200 MR. KELBERG:

That's going to be 0-B and 4-B.

201 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, on the protocol, where do we find a description of injury no. 1? The protocol, doctor, not the diagram.

202 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's on page 7.

203 MR. KELBERG:

And where on this page is that?

204 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's on the sixth paragraph. You see the cut.

205 MR. KELBERG:

This right here, doctor (Indicating)?

206 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

207 MR. KELBERG:

With a blue marker, your Honor, I'm circling that.

208 MR. KELBERG:

And that is photograph B-29 I believe it was.

209 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

210 MR. KELBERG:

Okay. And I'll write B-29 for that. And while we're here, what about injury no. 2?

211 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's on paragraph no. 5.

212 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Incidentally, I think I'll write no. 1 under the B-29 that I just outlined. And--I'm sorry. Which paragraph, doctor?

213 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The paragraph above that.

214 MR. KELBERG:

Under "Left hand"?

215 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

216 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll outline that in blue also, and I'll put a line for B-29 connecting to both of the paragraphs, but I'll put out no. 2 for the top of the two paragraphs and a line connecting no. 1 to the lower paragraph. Doctor, with respect to a diagram, is the diagram that is reflective of those injuries this form 23?

217 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

218 MR. KELBERG:

Would you show us, please, where there is any entry regarding those two injuries?

219 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Here and here (Indicating).

220 MR. KELBERG:

You have to keep your voice up, please, doctor.

221 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's here in the back of the left hand and the back of the base of the left ring finger here (Indicating).

222 MR. KELBERG:

What has Dr. Golden written with respect--if anything, with respect to the first injury that you described?

223 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's half an inch incised cut here for injury no. 1 and he has described it as a punctate abrasion (Indicating).

224 MR. KELBERG:

Is that what he has written in shorthand fashion on form 23?

225 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. You can see Punc A-B-R, and this is the abrasion here, the reddish brown, and this shows the superficial incised wound (Indicating).

226 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, where Dr. Lakshmanan has been indicating, I'll circle in the blue area.

227 MR. KELBERG:

And is this injury no. 1 then, doctor?

228 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

229 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll write the same thing, B-29, no. 1. And this other area?

230 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Actually, this also belongs to the same injury because this is diagram oriented.

231 MR. KELBERG:

So if I circle this as well--

232 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

233 MR. KELBERG:

And this is also B-29?

234 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

235 MR. KELBERG:

No. 1?

236 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

237 MR. KELBERG:

And is this area here the area that reflects injury no. 2 of photo B-29 (Indicating)?

238 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

239 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll circle that in blue, write B-29 no. 2. I'm sorry. Doctor, there appears to be two words written in the center of the top of this form. What are those words?

240 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

"Defense wounds."

241 MR. KELBERG:

And is that commonly the procedure followed by the medical examiner who is looking in a sharp force injury case for these kinds of injuries?

242 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

243 MR. KELBERG:

Did you want to add something?

244 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yeah. The left hand palm shows no injury.

245 MR. KELBERG:

And the left hand palm is in outline form the lower left quadrant of this diagram 23?

246 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. When we saw the photograph in--

247 MR. KELBERG:

That's B-30 I believe.

248 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

249 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll write B-30, "No injuries" on the form 23. Anything further on those?

250 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

251 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor--I'm sorry. There was nothing addressed in the addendum, two of them, because they were properly addressed, two of them, simply not addressed at all when they should have been?

252 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's correct.

253 MR. KELBERG:

While we're up in this position, I think we may not have identified all of the sharp force injuries to the scalp or skull area of Nicole Brown Simpson that appear in diagrams; is that correct, doctor?

254 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's correct.

255 MR. KELBERG:

But we've seen them in the photographs now, have we?

256 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

We saw the photograph, but we didn't discuss it.

257 MR. KELBERG:

Didn't discuss them with respect to the diagrams and so forth?

258 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

259 MR. KELBERG:

Let's complete that if we could. And we're back to 5-B, board 5-B. And I don't think we touched upon it also in the protocol, did we, doctor?

260 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

We touched upon the description of the injuries of B-24 and B-23, but there's one more additional scalp wound which we did not discuss.

261 MR. KELBERG:

But we have seen in the photograph?

262 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

We didn't discuss the photograph either.

263 MR. KELBERG:

You're absolutely correct. Let me cover that while we're here with this board.

264 THE COURT:

And, Mr. Kelberg, this is--

265 MR. KELBERG:

This is going to be 352, your Honor.

266 THE COURT:

Counsel, while we are in this configuration, counsel have permission to cross the well when traipsing over here.

267 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, is that our photograph B-26?

268 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

269 MR. KELBERG:

Let's cover that now then. First of all--and we--unfortunately at the break, we still didn't put a correction to B-23 reflecting that it's not the left, but the right, and we will do that at the end of today. What is shown in this photograph B-26?

270 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Shows the left side of the back of the top of the head. And what you see here is a sharp force injury. It's an incised wound. And when I measured it using a one is to one photograph, it measured at one and a quarter inches in length. Would be--this is the front part of the wound corresponding to the front of the body and this is the back part of the wound corresponding to the back part of the body. The back part of the wound is curved. So it's a incised wound (Indicating).

271 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, can you indicate using your own head where approximately this particular sharp force injury was?

272 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's in the--my back, this part here (Indicating). And I'm going to turn, your Honor.

273 MR. KELBERG:

I'll tell you what. Why don't you use me and it's probably easier.

274 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's somewhere here in this region (Indicating).

275 MR. KELBERG:

And I can't see--I can feel, but I can't see. So if you could--

276 MR. KELBERG:

Maybe the Court--and I'll turn just briefly so the Court can identify the area for the record.

277 THE COURT:

Looks like the left rear back of the head towards the top.

278 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor.

279 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, in the configuration of the incised wound that you see, do you see a sharp end?

280 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yeah. Both the ends are sharp, and this part a scrape wound.

281 MR. KELBERG:

Does that have any significance to you in your ability or lack of ability to identify the class of knife responsible?

282 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is an incised wound. It could be either a single-edged or double-edged knife.

283 MR. KELBERG:

So again, is this consistent with that same single-edged knife being responsible for all of the sharp force injuries?

284 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

285 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, is this sharp force injury one which you can tell from the photographic review was received before death?

286 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

287 MR. KELBERG:

And from its appearance, can you give us an opinion as to the minimum amount of time from its infliction until death that must have occurred for the injury to appear as it does.

288 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It could have occurred as early as or as short as one minute before death or much longer.

289 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, is this a nonfatal incised wound?

290 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

291 MR. KELBERG:

And in the big picture of cause of death and so forth, is there any significance to it?

292 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

293 MR. KELBERG:

Did Dr. Golden address this sharp force injury in his protocol?

294 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he did.

295 MR. KELBERG:

Did he diagram it in one or more of the available diagrams?

296 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he did.

297 MR. KELBERG:

And was it addressed at all in any addendum?

298 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he did.

299 MR. KELBERG:

In general, what is the difference from the addendum or what is added in the addendum from how the wound was initially described in the protocol?

300 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The initial wound was discovered as being rounded ends. The measurement was different. Actually the whole description has changed and we could look at it.

301 MR. KELBERG:

You want to look at it from the description?

302 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

303 MR. KELBERG:

But as a bottom line--

304 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The bottom line was, he described it as rounded ends and then in the addendum, he described it as tapered ends, which is consistent with what is seen in the photograph.

305 MR. KELBERG:

Would it be accurate to say that from his description in the protocol, it is completely inaccurate?

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306 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's correct.

307 MR. KELBERG:

And did he diagram it in a fashion that was consistent with his inaccurate description in the protocol?

308 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

His diagram was also inaccurate.

309 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, obviously then, would these be mistakes on the part of Dr. Golden?

310 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, it was.

311 MR. KELBERG:

Any significance in the big picture of any of the issues from those mistakes?

312 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

313 MR. KELBERG:

For all the same reasons?

314 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

315 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Why don't we move then, if we could. Put this back down and move--we've got the protocol. I believe we have the proper forms. Let's start with the protocol. Where in the protocol does Dr. Golden address this particular wound in B-26?

316 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Page 6, no. 5.

317 MR. KELBERG:

And so that's going to be this paragraph that has the no. 5?

318 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

319 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Why don't we outline that also in red. And that's going to be B-26 which I'll write on the left margin.

320 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

321 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Doctor, let's get to the diagram so we can see if there's any comparison or difference where on--or which diagram shall we select?

322 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

We have 20-F, 20-G and 20-H to--

323 MR. KELBERG:

So we have three diagrams?

324 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

325 MR. KELBERG:

All right. And we have 20-F already up.

326 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. We'll start with that one.

327 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Why don't you go, if you would please, to that one and show us where there's an indication.

328 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is the injury that's being described, and he has measured it as one and a half inches here, but the protocol says half an inch in length. He has said that--he said both ends up here are rounded, and that's what his diagram and this diagram including the--

329 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Just a second. Let's circle this. On 20-F, this is B-26, and I've written that in as well. What's the next diagram, doctor?

330 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

20-G and 20-H. Go to 20-G. That's fine.

331 MR. KELBERG:

Incidentally, just the general location where Dr. Golden drew that injury, is that an accurate depiction of the area that's actually seen in the photograph?

332 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

333 MR. KELBERG:

Now, 20-G, why don't you show us, if you would, please.

334 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is the same injury as diagrammed here and has got the same measurement as one and a half inches there (Indicating).

335 MR. KELBERG:

Same measurement as he had given in the earlier form?

336 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Earlier diagram, yes.

337 MR. KELBERG:

Okay. The 20-F?

338 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

339 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor--well, let me circle this. Is the--and I'll write--I'm sorry--B-26. Is the diagrammed form of the wound accurate? That is, is the appearance as hand-drawn accurate to how the wound actually appears in the photograph?

340 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

341 MR. KELBERG:

In what fashion--perhaps you can use the pointer. In what fashion is there a difference? We don't have the photograph up.

342 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The wound doesn't have this forking and actually tapers off like a superficial incised wound here. So the wound diagramming is not accurate (Indicating).

343 MR. KELBERG:

Let me just briefly put this up so the ladies and gentlemen of the jury can have a comparison.

344 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You look here, there's no forking and then it tapers off on both sides (Indicating).

345 MR. KELBERG:

Now, you said 20-H, doctor?

346 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

347 MR. KELBERG:

And if Mr. Lynch can--is this the 20-H?

348 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

349 MR. KELBERG:

And this, your Honor, is the 20-H that appears to have outlines of the human skull.

350 THE COURT:

Yes.

351 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

There is evidence of hemorrhage underneath this incised wound one and a half inches by one and a half inches. And I just said the right upper quadrant, 20-H.

352 MR. KELBERG:

And on that upper right quadrant outline, I'll write B-26. Incidentally, while we have this here, doctor, in the lower left quadrant of this same form, is there some outline that reflects on one of the earlier injuries that you've identified?

353 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. That reflects the hemorrhage on any of the bruise we've discussed in the right side of the head.

354 MR. KELBERG:

Is that our B-20 photograph with the contusion to the scalp?

355 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I think--

356 MR. KELBERG:

You want to bend over a second here and take a peek at the--

357 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. B-20.

358 MR. KELBERG:

And is this writing--

359 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

360 MR. KELBERG:

--to reflect what is being diagrammed here?

361 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

362 MR. KELBERG:

Can you identify what is said in that writing, doctor?

363 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's a superficial temporal and this is SGH, with subgaleal hemorrhage, two inches by one and a quarter inches.

364 MR. KELBERG:

And is that consistent with what you see in the form of the contusion on--under the scalp in the photograph B-20?

365 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. But you can't see this because this is a diagram of the hemorrhage after the scalp was reflected. So this is the diagram the doctor uses to show the hemorrhage after you reflect the skin. What you saw in the other diagram was the diagram of the injury on the surface. I don't know whether you saw that diagram or not. And that was diagram--

366 MR. KELBERG:

I'm going to write B-20 while you're finding that particular diagram.

367 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The diagram was 22 and 20-H.

368 MR. KELBERG:

Okay.

369 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

20-H, that is the head cover. That is the inner--that is the doctrination of the hemorrhage underneath the scalp.

370 MR. KELBERG:

Incidentally, doctor, while we've got this up, there's some other writing here. Can you--that's between the two outlines above and the two outlines below.

371 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. What he's trying to say here is that it's deep scalp hemorrhage under the same--there's also blood to the same injury and he says "No abrasion or laceration."

372 MR. KELBERG:

So does all of this writing that is between this upper and lower half go to the B-20?

373 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

374 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll circle that as well and connect up to the lower diagram that was circled.

375 MR. KELBERG:

Mr. Lynch, I believe we need your help.

376 (Brief pause.)
377 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, Mr. Fairtlough. It's good to see it takes three people from our office to get an easel to stand straight.

378 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, the other diagram is 22; is that correct?

379 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

380 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let's get that up. We can take 20-H down.

381 (Brief pause.)
382 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, where on this particular form is there a reflection of that B-20 contusion?

383 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right there (Indicating).

384 MR. KELBERG:

And--

385 THE COURT:

Maybe we ought to use the word "Mention" since "Reflection" has a specific meaning within this context.

386 MR. KELBERG:

Okay. First of all, when you say the skin is "Reflected," why don't you tell us what that means.

387 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

As--one moment. As I discussed the autopsy process, I said when the head is opened for examination of the brain, the first process is opening up the scalp, which is the reflection of a scalp skin. So when we discover injury on the skin surface, is what we see on the skin surface. Once you reflect the scalp skin away from the skull--

388 MR. KELBERG:

Again, doctor, you are using the same term we're asking you to define. "Reflect" means what? Pull away?

389 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Pull away. Pull away. And the scalp has got five layers. The letters themself reflect the different layers of skin. The c stands for carotid tissue. And underneath the scalp, part of the scalp is a muscle called the occipital frontalis muscle.

390 THE COURT:

Excuse me. Mr. Kelberg, I was just getting you to try to use a different word than reflect as to the board, that it mentions it in the report. That's all we need to do at this point.

391 MR. KELBERG:

Okay. That's fine.

392 THE COURT:

All right.

393 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, why don't you point out where there is any entry on form 22.

394 MR. KELBERG:

Is that satisfactory, your Honor?

395 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It just shows the hemorrhage on the scalp surface. It doesn't show the hemorrhage on the deep tissues as we saw it on the skull diagram.

396 MR. KELBERG:

Is there any handwritten notation to go along with that particular outline that's on this form 22?

397 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The handwritten notation is on the 20-H we already saw, and the combined effects of this description is seen on page 7, no. 8.

398 MR. KELBERG:

All right. We'll get to page 7, no. 8, but let me just circle this area on our form 22, and this goes to B-20; is that correct, doctor?

399 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

400 MR. KELBERG:

And I've done that in blue marker. All right. Now, which page, doctor? I'm sorry.

401 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Page 7, no. 8.

402 MR. KELBERG:

Mr. Lynch, could we move to--

403 MR. KELBERG:

Of the protocol; is that correct?

404 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. Now, I will explain both the diagrams so it's easy to understand. 22 shows four inches above the right ear canal is a bruise, and you can see here on the right side of the scalp, four inches above the right ear canal is a scalp bruise. Now, if you go to the other diagram, 20-H, you can see the rest of the information which is there. It's been dictated to--transcribed as no. 8 on page 7.

405 MR. KELBERG:

Is this the diagram you need, doctor?

406 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. He says that this bruise was red violet in color, scalp bruise, one inch by one inch. You can see the red violet, purple color, one inch by one inch, deep scalp--with deep scalp hemorrhage which he has diagrammed here. No abrasion or laceration. He has put skin is smooth, nonabrated, nonlacerated. Subsequent autopsy shows deep scalp hemorrhage, which is this one which is diagrammed (Indicated), and it measures two inches by one and a quarter inches, I showed that, two inches by one and a quarter inches, and it says that it's a subgaleal, it's a subgaleal hemorrhage here, and is again shown that the wound is four inches above the right ear canal. So between the diagrams--you see, this is what medical examiner is doing. That's why you need a pathologist to interpret the notations. We take notes on different parts of the diagram and then when you dictate, you synthesize the data to give a composite report.

407 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor--

408 THE COURT:

And, your Honor, for the record, on item 8 on page 7 that the doctor was just referring to of the protocol, on that in red and mark B-20, and I'll also indicate 20 form, 20-H and 22.

409 MR. KELBERG:

Those are the two forms, doctor?

410 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

411 MR. KELBERG:

Anything further--well, are you able to determine--going back just for a second to B-26, are you able to determine the relative positions of Miss Brown Simpson and the perpetrator at the time that injury was received?

412 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

413 MR. KELBERG:

For all the same reasons you've given before?

414 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

415 MR. KELBERG:

Is there anything further you wish to discuss regarding this contusion either in the diagrams, in the protocol or in the photograph?

416 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

417 MR. KELBERG:

I think we're done with this, and we'll move back to examination of the hand photographs.

418 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The addendum--

419 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry. The addendum on the last sharp force injury; is that correct?

420 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

421 MR. KELBERG:

All right. We'll take down the protocol and we'll put up form 8-B from exhibit 349, your Honor.

422 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Doctor, where in the addendum is there a reference to this particular sharp force injury that's seen in photograph B-26?

423 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Roman numeral ii, item 1, entire paragraph, line 1 through 5 of that description as amended to read, as that paragraph states, that the wound to the scalp is one and a quarter inches in length, diagonally oriented, superiorly is tapered and inferiorly it is also tapered and then continue as a superficial incised wound. So basically the entire description was changed in that addendum--

424 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor--I'm sorry.

425 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

--based on the photograph.

426 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, from your review of the photograph, including the life-size photograph of that particular sharp force injury, in your opinion, does the addendum accurately describe the wound that is seen?

427 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

428 MR. KELBERG:

And, your Honor, I'll, in the blue marker, outline this area on page 1 of the addendum and write B-26 along the side.

429 THE COURT:

Thank you.

430 MR. KELBERG:

Anything further, doctor, regarding this sharp force injury? All right. I think we are now ready to move back to the photograph of the hand.

431 (Brief pause.)
432 THE COURT:

Proceed.

433 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor.

434 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, let me invite your attention now to photograph B-31 in the lower right corner of this array of photographs. What is shown--

435 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

436 MR. KELBERG:

What is shown in this photograph?

437 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

B-31 shows the palmar aspect of the right hand, and you can see an area of injury to the right ring finger. It's a superficial cut. The photograph is a little dark here, but there's a cut here (Indicating).

438 MR. KELBERG:

There's--

439 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You can see it better in the other photograph.

440 MR. KELBERG:

Which photograph is it better seen in, doctor, if it's one of these that's on the board?

441 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. It's seen better in B-12. You can see the cut here better. Yes, you can see it better here in this (Indicating)--

442 MR. KELBERG:

Keep your voice up, doctor.

443 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You can see it better in B-12. If you use a magnifying glass, you can see it very well.

444 MR. KELBERG:

All right. And which finger is it again?

445 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Right ring finger, palmar aspect.

446 MR. KELBERG:

Okay. And is this in your opinion what you would call a defensive wound?

447 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

448 MR. KELBERG:

And are you able to tell in any generalized fashion the manner in which that was received?

449 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It was a defensive wound which happened when Miss Simpson tried to defend herself when she was being stabbed.

450 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, is there more than that one defensive wound on the palmar surface of the right hand?

451 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

452 MR. KELBERG:

What if any significance is there for you that there is one and only one defensive wound to the palmar surface of the right hand?

453 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This would indicate to me that she was probably rapidly incapacitated and was not able to offer much resistance.

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454 MR. KELBERG:

On what do you base that?

455 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because there's very few Defense wounds in her upper extremities. Because whenever you see Defense wound in the upper extremities, that is the hands and forearms, that means the person was conscious and was able to defend themselves. But when you see a paucity of defensive wounds, it would signify as a forensic pathologist that the person was rapidly incapacitated and was incapable of offering much resistance.

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456 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, did Dr. Golden address in his original protocol this particular defensive wound to the palmar surface of the ring finger of the right hand?

457 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, he did. But in the anatomic summary, he described it properly, but in the protocol itself, he described it in the report as the index finger, but in the diagram, he diagrammed it correctly.

458 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let's break this down. There is a reference to this defensive wound in the protocol; is that correct?

459 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

460 MR. KELBERG:

And there is an entry on a diagram that reflects this defensive wound; is that correct?

461 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

462 MR. KELBERG:

But there is a difference between what the diagram shows and what the protocol says; is that correct?

463 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

464 MR. KELBERG:

Is either one of them accurate based upon what these two photographs, B-12 and B-31, show?

465 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The diagram is accurate. The description of the wound in the protocol is wrong because it was said as index finger, but the anatomic summary reflects the injury correctly. The anatomic summary says "Right ring finger."

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466 MR. KELBERG:

When you say "The anatomic summary," what is that?

467 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's the front page of the autopsy report where all the injuries are summarized.

468 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Is this defensive wound one which in your opinion was received before death?

469 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

470 MR. KELBERG:

And with respect to the minimum amount of time before death, would your answers be the same as they've been to the last series of wounds?

471 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

472 MR. KELBERG:

Also, that this is not a fatal wound?

473 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

474 MR. KELBERG:

And in the big picture of things, does this have any significance beyond its significance on the issue of a defensive wound and the absence of other defensive wounds?

475 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

476 MR. KELBERG:

Anything further that we need to photograph for either B-31 or B-12 for the purposes of identifying that injury?

477 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

478 MR. KELBERG:

Then perhaps we can--

479 MR. KELBERG:

I believe we have until 3:30, your Honor? If we could just finish with--why don't we let counsel go through and then the doctor.

480 (Brief pause.)
481 MR. KELBERG:

By the way, doctor, is the addendum--does the addendum reflect--I'm sorry--include any reference to the difference between the diagram and the protocol description?

482 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

483 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry. Keep your voice up.

484 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

485 MR. KELBERG:

Would you expect the addendum to include--I'll have to get that word out of my vocabulary--to include something to show that there was in fact this difference and to show which is the accurate identification?

486 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It should have included it.

487 MR. KELBERG:

Keep your voice up, doctor.

488 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Should have included it.

489 MR. KELBERG:

And again, would that be a mistake by Dr. Golden?

490 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

491 MR. KELBERG:

Significant on any of the big ticket questions?

492 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

493 MR. KELBERG:

For all the same reasons?

494 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

495 MR. KELBERG:

All right. If Mr. Lynch can put up--this is 0-B. Where is there an entry on this summary that you described that accurately reflects the right ring finger defensive wound in photograph B-31 and B-12?

496 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Page 1 of the autopsy report, roman numeral iii.

497 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll outline that. And this I'll mark B-31, B-12, and I'll write the word "Correct" in the margin. Now, doctor, in this same protocol, there is an inaccurate description provided?

498 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

499 MR. KELBERG:

Where is that?

500 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Page 7.

501 MR. KELBERG:

Where on this page, doctor, is that?

502 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Paragraph no. 2, right hand. It says there's a 5/8 inch incised wound on the volar surface of the right index finger.

503 MR. KELBERG:

And is "Volar" another term to indicate the back--I'm sorry--the palm of the right hand?

504 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Palm and inner surface of the right hand.

505 MR. KELBERG:

So these are somewhat interchangeable terms?

506 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That's correct.

507 MR. KELBERG:

But this is the description that we're talking about (Indicating)?

508 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

509 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll write again--I've circled it in red--B-31 B-12. And it's this particular indication of "Right index finger" that is inaccurate?

510 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

511 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll write "Inaccurate" after circling the right index finger area and "SB" should be ring. Would that be accurate, doctor?

512 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

513 MR. KELBERG:

Ring finger. All right. And you said there was a diagram that had an entry to indicate the identification of that defensive wound?

514 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. 23. Palm print 23.

515 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll ask Mr. Lynch to put that up. And show us, please, doctor, where there is that indication.

516 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It's on the right lower quadrant of the diagram here (Indicating).

517 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, is there an entry, that is a written description of any type?

518 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

519 MR. KELBERG:

What is written in there?

520 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It says 5/8 inch tangential cut skin avulsed and given a diagram of the injury here, and actually he has described that there is some forking to the ulnar aspect, that is this aspect of the wound (Indicating).

521 MR. KELBERG:

The ulnar aspect being toward the little finger side of the hand?

522 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. This side of the hand. And you have to add that paragraph also in the description here.

523 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let me just cover--. This whole area that I'm circling here, doctor--

524 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

525 MR. KELBERG:

--indicates the defensive wound for B-31 and B-12?

526 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

527 MR. KELBERG:

And is this an accurate description?

528 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

529 MR. KELBERG:

And I'll write "Accurate." Incidentally, doctor, this word "Defense" and "Ante"--is that "Antemortem" that appears there?

530 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

531 MR. KELBERG:

To which of any of these things does that go?

532 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Well, if--all of these are antemortem wounds. So it could reflect for all of them.

533 MR. KELBERG:

I think you used the wrong term.

534 THE COURT:

He did.

535 MR. KELBERG:

It would have significance to all of them?

536 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

537 MR. KELBERG:

All right. The area that you talk about, the ulnar area of the hand, the palmar area is also discussed in a paragraph?

538 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yeah. The next paragraph here (Indicating).

539 MR. KELBERG:

And that area I'll outline also in red on page 7 of the protocol and draw a line to connect up also with the B-12 and the B-31 of the first paragraph that you've already identified. Is that description in that second paragraph accurate?

540 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

541 MR. KELBERG:

And corresponds to what Dr. Golden has diagrammed in the lower right quadrant for form 23?

542 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

543 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, would this be the appropriate time?

544 THE COURT:

Yes, it would. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take our recess for the afternoon. Please remember all my admonitions to you; do not discuss this case amongst yourselves, do not form any opinions in the case, do not conduct any deliberations until the matter has been submitted to you and do not allow anybody to communicate with you with regard to the case. As far as the jury is concerned, we'll stand in recess until 9:00 A.M. tomorrow morning. All right. Thank you, counsel.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
This would indicate to me that she was probably rapidly incapacitated and was not able to offer much resistance.
Core prosecution narrative: Nicole had almost no ability to fight back, suggesting a sudden, overwhelming attack
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Because there's very few Defense wounds in her upper extremities. Because whenever you see Defense wound in the upper extremities, that is the hands and forearms, that means the person was conscious and was able to defend themselves. But when you see a paucity of defensive wounds, it would signify as a forensic pathologist that the person was rapidly incapacitated and was incapable of offering much resistance.
Expert explanation of why the absence of wounds is itself evidence of the nature of the attack
Brian Kelberg
Would it be accurate to say that from his description in the protocol, it is completely inaccurate?
Kelberg establishing Dr. Golden's errors on the record while controlling the damage by framing them as inconsequential
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
The diagram is accurate. The description of the wound in the protocol is wrong because it was said as index finger, but the anatomic summary reflects the injury correctly.
Typical pattern of the testimony: Golden made errors, but other documentation was correct, so no harm to the case

Evidence (7)

People's 355
Board of autopsy photographs
introduced and discussed at length
People's 354
Board of crime scene photographs including cS-39 showing Nicole's ring
referenced to explain punctate abrasion mechanism
People's 352
Board of autopsy photographs including B-26 (scalp wound)
discussed
People's 350
Wound chart for Nicole Brown Simpson
referenced for wound numbering
People's 349
Autopsy addendum (form 8-B)
compared against original protocol to identify corrections and remaining errors
Informal
Autopsy protocol pages 6-7, autopsy diagrams forms 20-F, 20-G, 20-H, 22, 23
compared against photographs to catalog Dr. Golden's errors and corrections
+ 1 more

Notable Exchanges (3)

Brian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan SathyavagiswaranLance A. Ito
Kelberg and Dr. Lakshmanan physically demonstrated how a defensive wound could be inflicted — Kelberg raising his left hand, Dr. Lakshmanan making an overhand thrusting motion. Judge Ito intervened to have the demonstration repeated so jurors on the far end of the box could see it, and then described it for the record as 'an overhand motion.'
collaborative
Brian KelbergLance A. Ito
Judge Ito corrected Kelberg's repeated use of the word 'reflect' when referring to what appears on a diagram, noting the word has a specific anatomical meaning (peeling back scalp) already established in testimony. Kelberg had to reframe his questions.
procedural
Brian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Kelberg joked that 'it takes three people from our office to get an easel to stand straight' after court staff struggled with the display board.
light

Light Moments (1)

Brian Kelberg
Kelberg quipped 'it's good to see it takes three people from our office to get an easel to stand straight' after multiple staff members struggled with a display board

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Dr. Irwin Golden
Prior work product — errors in autopsy protocol
Kelberg systematically walked through each wound to establish that Golden's original protocol contained errors (wrong finger identified, rounded vs. tapered wound ends, missing wounds entirely), while Dr. Lakshmanan repeatedly confirmed these were mistakes but insisted none affected the 'big picture' conclusions. This pre-emptive damage control was designed to neutralize defense attacks on the autopsy.

Witness Demeanor

Repeatedly asked by Kelberg to 'keep your voice up' — Dr. Lakshmanan consistently spoke too quietly for the courtroom
Volunteered additional information beyond questions (e.g., noting the ring in the crime scene photograph, adding details about the addendum unprompted)
Comfortable with physical demonstrations, moving around the courtroom to show wound locations

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 6299 • 544 utterances • Prosecution witness
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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📂 JUN 7, 1995 📄 Direct examination of Dr. Laks
JUN 7, 1995 KRT DvH TD