📄 Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 7) — Tuesday, June 6, 1995
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Direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran (part 7)

Witness: Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Examiner: Brian Kelberg
Called by: Prosecution • Date: Tuesday, June 6, 1995 • Utterances: 276
Dr. Lakshmanan, the LA County Chief Medical Examiner, continues his direct examination covering his comprehensive review of Dr. Golden's autopsy work on Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. He presents newly created wound charts, discusses the limitations of one-to-one photographic analysis, and delivers key opinions: both victims died from multiple sharp force injuries inflicted by a single single-edged knife with a blade at least six inches long. He also candidly acknowledges that Dr. Golden made upwards of 30 mistakes in the original autopsy reports, while maintaining that none of those mistakes affected his conclusions on cause of death, manner of death, or weapon characteristics.
1 THE COURT:

All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please be seated. Let the record reflect we've been rejoined by all the members of our jury panel. And, Mr. Kelberg, you may continue with your direct examination of Dr. Lakshmanan.

2 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, your Honor. I believe we have a stipulation with counsel regarding 11--actually 12 boards that have on the back of each board a designation starting with 0-B as in boy through 11-B as in boy. Will counsel stipulate that these 11 boards and their contents are true and accurate copies blown up of the materials which have previously been marked as exhibits 344-A through 348?

3 MR. SHAPIRO:

So stipulated.

4 MR. KELBERG:

And, your Honor, may they collectively be marked as simply exhibit 349 because they can be identified by the number on the back of each of the boards.

5 THE COURT:

So marked.

6 (Peo's 349 for id = 12 boards)
7 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, I think you mentioned something earlier this afternoon about "One-to-one photographs." Did you use that term?

8 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

9 MR. KELBERG:

What does that refer to?

10 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is an enlargement of the photograph to depict the best reflection of anatomical region, a life size type photograph. And the way we do it in our office, with the assistance of the LAPD lab, as I told you earlier, we have a Coroner's blue card which is placed in any area which is being photographed in the Coroner's office, and the card is always incorporated in the field of photography. So what the process involves is taking a real size card and enlarging the negative to correspond to the size. I'm not a photographic expert, but basically what the end result is, you get a life size image off the region photograph and it's a best reflection of the anatomic region as Dr. Golden would have seen it on June 14th and as I saw it on June 13th.

11 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, have you reviewed life-size photographs of nearly all of the Coroner's photographs that were taken of Nicole Brown Simpson?

12 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

13 MR. KELBERG:

Are there some photographs that were not blown up to life-size proportion?

14 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

15 MR. KELBERG:

Why is that?

16 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because you--you have full-length views of the body, you'll need a six foot--pardon me--five feet, five inch length of paper to accommodate such a photograph.

17 MR. KELBERG:

But in the photographic process you identified earlier, part of the process is to give up-close photographs of matters that are deemed of significance in the course of the autopsy and even before the autopsy?

18 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

19 MR. KELBERG:

And as to those photographs, have they been blown up to life size to give as accurate as possible a true reflection of the size and appearance of any such wound or injury or finding of significance?

20 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

A two-dimensional view.

21 MR. KELBERG:

Is there a limitation created from reviewing--even with life-size photographs, is there a limitation to that process in allowing you to with precision measure, for example, the injuries that were in fact on the body of Nicole Brown Simpson at the time of the autopsies?

22 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

There are several limitations. One, as I mentioned, photographs are two-dimensional views. It's not a three-dimensional examination. And--number 1. No. 2, you really cannot approximate wounds. If the wounds have been photographed in the gaping state, you have them in the gaping state. You don't have the ability to approximate and measure them. The third issue is, if the wound is on a curvature of the body, on a curvature of the body and a photograph is not taken at right angles to the curvature, there's distortion involved. Fourthly, if the card is not next to the injury you're examining, your--that factor to be kept in mind because the measurement you do may not necessarily reflect the exact measurement. So there are limitations to the process, but it is the best reflection of the injuries of--in the anatomical area possible in this type of examination.

23 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, short of exhuming a body, are you aware of any better process than the use of life-size photographs to evaluate the wounds as they appeared at the time of an autopsy?

24 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

25 MR. KELBERG:

Are there in fact limitations that would make exhumation of the body less of a reliable basis than the use of life-size photographs?

26 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It will be less reliable because if you exhume a body, you're going to have changes of decomposition and distortion of the wounds anyway.

27 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, I have an envelope that appears to be quite full with material. Is this basically the size of the type of photograph that you've looked at that would be described as one-to-one photographs?

28 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

29 THE COURT:

All right. And, Mr. Kelberg, you want to estimate that for the record?

30 MR. KELBERG:

By weight or number of photographs?

31 THE COURT:

How about size of the photographs and the approximate number.

32 MR. KELBERG:

The size of the envelope and the extension of the photograph would appear to make length 20 inches, make width of photograph 12 inches.

33 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, are you able to tell us the number of photographs of the body of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman which collectively were taken?

34 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I think there were about 62 photographs of Ronald Goldman and I think about 32. I have the exact numbers in the file but--

35 MR. KELBERG:

Some of those photographs however depict clothing in each case; is that correct?

36 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I'm--the photographic number I referred to is basically the initial photographs. There have been numerous photographs taken of the evidence, the tissues, the clothing which I'm not taking into the count.

37 MR. KELBERG:

And those are the photographs that would be contained in your one-to-one set you reviewed?

38 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The autopsy photograph, the initial photographs which was taken by the Coroner's office.

39 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, is that an adequate description for the Court?

40 THE COURT:

Yes.

41 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, we're going to be looking at some photographs shortly. In looking at the photographs that we will be seeing, have some of those photographs been cropped, that is cut in compliance with an order from Judge Ito?

42 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

43 MR. KELBERG:

As you looked at the photographs both in the size that they were originally before cropping--you did do that; is that correct?

44 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

45 MR. KELBERG:

And in looking at the one-to-one's, have you looked at the whole photograph?

46 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

47 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, I have a series of documents that has the heading "Outline of injuries to Nicole Brown Simpson, 94-05136." May this be marked as exhibit 349?

48 THE COURT:

I think it's 350.

49 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry?

50 THE COURT:

350.

51 MR. KELBERG:

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see where Mr. Lynch had marked the collective boards. Then 350.

52 (Peo's 350 for id = injuries to NSB)
53 MR. KELBERG:

And as 351, a similar appearing set of documents, thicker in number I believe, entitled "Outline of injuries to Ronald Goldman 94-05135" as 351.

54 THE COURT:

So marked.

55 (Peo's 351 for id = injuries to RG)
56 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, let me show you first exhibit 350, the series of documents on Nicole Brown Simpson. Are you familiar in general terms with this exhibit?

57 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I am.

58 MR. KELBERG:

What is this?

59 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

This is an exhibit which I played an important part, and it was prepared principally to present my findings after reviewing the one is to one photographs, and I did it and also look at the autopsy description in the original protocol, also correlate these injury descriptions with diagrams in the original autopsy protocol. In addition, we also correlated the injuries in the addendum description; and following this, we also have a comment section and also an opinion from me whether it's a single edge or a double edge--single edge or--whether it's a single edge or double edge that you can not say. That comment section is also included in this chart. It's important that this chart was done to identify any--because when the original addendum was done, the measurement of the injuries was not done with one is to one photographs, the injuries that were not described earlier. And that is why the one is to one photographs were useful. And basically the chart has these headings, and once the chart is shown to you all, you'll understand the format as I just presented.

60 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, would it be accurate to say that this document is to reflect your identification of every wound or injury that you found in looking at all of the autopsy photographs of Nicole Brown Simpson?

61 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

62 MR. KELBERG:

Is it intended to identify areas within Dr. Golden's original autopsy report where any such wounds were described?

63 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

64 MR. KELBERG:

Is it intended to identify any of those diagrams, those form number forms that we looked at earlier where any such injury or wound was marked on the form by Dr. Golden at the time of the autopsy?

65 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

66 MR. KELBERG:

Is it intended to identify areas of injury that Dr. Golden did not address, that is, did not include any reference to in his original protocol?

67 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

68 MR. KELBERG:

Or did not diagram in one or more of the forms used by Dr. Golden in the course of his autopsy?

69 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

70 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, in this case, did Dr. Golden prepare something called an addendum report?

71 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

72 MR. KELBERG:

How did that come about?

73 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

He prepared the addendum because he felt that he had not addressed some of the injuries in the photographs which he had seen, but he had failed to describe in the original report. I also brought to his attention following my examination of the tissues on June 22nd that he had failed to describe a contusion of the brain which was in the hold jar which was not addressed in the original report. And based on these factors, Dr. Golden issued an addendum report under my direction.

74 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, did you talk with Dr. Golden before any final addendum report was completed?

75 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

76 MR. KELBERG:

At that time, did you discuss with him a draft addendum that he may have prepared?

77 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

78 MR. KELBERG:

Let me pull out one of these boards for just a moment. It has the number 7-B on the back from our exhibit of 349, your Honor.

79 MR. KELBERG:

And, Mr. Fairtlough, is this set up in the appropriate location, this particular easel?

80 (Brief pause.)
81 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, Mr. Fairtlough.

82 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, in looking at that blow-up that is right next to you, are you familiar with that document?

83 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

84 MR. KELBERG:

What is that document?

85 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is an addendum report on brown-Simpson, Nicole.

86 MR. KELBERG:

Now, let me show you--if you'd take a seat again just momentarily--a document that is two pages and see if you're familiar with that addendum report.

87 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

88 MR. KELBERG:

What is that?

89 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is an addendum report with my instructions to him on how the addendum should be done because the original report had already been filed and we have a certain format which we follow in our office when we issue addendum report so that the corrections, additions and deletions should be done in a particular format so the person reading the addendum will understand where the additions, deletions and corrections apply.

90 MR. KELBERG:

And I think if I could have that document back, I'm going to ask Mr. Fairtlough if he could put this, which is our exhibit 335-A, put that on the elmo.

91 (Brief pause.)
92 MR. KELBERG:

I'm not sure if you can focus that a little better perhaps by coming in a little bit.

93 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, in this document, we are seeing both typewritten information and what appears to be handwritten information; is that correct?

94 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

95 MR. KELBERG:

Did you review this document in the form that we see it here?

96 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

97 MR. KELBERG:

And when you reviewed it initially, did it have any handwriting on it?

98 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

99 MR. KELBERG:

If Mr. Fairtlough can scan down now on the document. And I'm not sure how much further you can go and keep the top part of "Addendum report" still visible. Doctor, there appear to be--for example, under "Addendum opinion," there's a line running horizontally through those words, there's material with a wavy line and so forth. Can you give us some idea of how all this information came to be on this particular page?

100 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Some of the handwriting is mine and some of them may be Golden's. But my handwriting is where if you see, "Page 6, item 5," I have written saying that, "Line 1 amended as originally"--I can't read the handwriting on this computer screen here. If you can give me the original document, I will be able to read it.

101 MR. KELBERG:

All right. I'm not sure that we need to at this particular moment.

102 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

So basically I was involved in instructing him how that addendum should be filed because it has to follow the format of our addendums so that people understand what the addendum is in correcting the original report.

103 MR. KELBERG:

When you discussed this report with him, did you also discuss a draft report for Ronald Goldman?

104 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

105 MR. KELBERG:

And when you say, "You instructed him," did you instruct him with respect to the actual content or the form or both? Tell us.

106 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It was mainly--it was mainly the format, but I did bring up the point about the cerebral contusion which he had failed to address in the original report which was obviously present in the hold jar. So that information was discussed with him, which is not format, but rather content. And I did also discuss my opinion on the directions of the appearance of the wounds and Ron Goldman on the left and right side of the neck, and he seemed to--he also agreed with me at that point on the directions of the wounds on the neck.

107 MR. KELBERG:

Let me put up now another one of the blow-ups, this is 8-B, and ask, doctor, is this the final product if you will following your discussion with Dr. Golden regarding the draft addendum for Nicole Brown Simpson?

108 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Can I--yes.

109 MR. KELBERG:

What is the date that that was issued, doctor?

110 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It was issued on July 1st, 1994.

111 MR. KELBERG:

Can you approximate when you talked with Dr. Golden about the draft itself?

112 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

If I recall, it was I think on June 30th.

113 MR. KELBERG:

On the second page of the blow-up, you see at the bottom under Dr. Golden's name the letter "T" and a date 6-30-94. Does that have any significance to you in identifying the date you discussed the draft with Dr. Golden?

114 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

115 MR. KELBERG:

What is that?

116 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is the day the report was transcribed.

117 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, I want to flip the page one more time on this same blow-up with the form 14, microscopic description. Are you familiar with the circumstances under which this document came to be produced?

118 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. As I told you, when the omission of the description of the cerebral contusion was discussed, the hold jar was retrieved. This is after Dr. Baden and I examined on June 22nd, we examined the hold jar and Dr. Golden looked at the contusion and he had submitted it for storage; and we submitted a microscopic section, and this is the microscopic examination report of the contusion of the brain which is not addressed in the original autopsy report, but addressed in the addendum.

119 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, are these addendum reports both with respect to Nicole Brown Simpson and with respect to Ronald Goldman reports that are generated in the ordinary course of business for the Coroner's office?

120 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. We issue addendums. As I mentioned earlier, we try hard not to make mistakes. When mistakes are made, they are reviewed, corrected and an addendum is issued, those original reports stay and you also have that addendum report. There's nothing to hide. We made a mistake and we corrected it.

121 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, in your two wound summary charts, exhibits 350 and 351, have you attempted to identify where in any addendum for Nicole Brown Simpson on 350 and where on any addendum for Ronald Goldman on the wound chart 351, there was any reference in an addendum to any injury you observed in any of the autopsy photographs? You're staring at me like boy, that question makes no sense whatsoever. Let me try again.

122 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Please.

123 MR. KELBERG:

Basically, did you try and put on your wound charts an entry or reference where in each of the addendums, you could find a reference by Dr. Golden to some injury or wound or finding that you saw in a corresponding photograph?

124 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did. On these charts which we just discussed, yes.

125 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, let me take this down and let me give you back all of the protocols and forms. Doctor, have you examined every report by Dr. Golden generated in the course of the Nicole Brown Simpson case?

126 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

127 MR. KELBERG:

Have you examined all of the tissue that has been preserved as a result of the autopsy performed by Dr. Golden?

128 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have, gross examination and microscopic exam.

129 MR. KELBERG:

Have you examined all toxicology reports that have been generated as a result of the autopsy of Nicole Brown Simpson?

130 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

131 MR. KELBERG:

Have you examined all consultation reports, which we'll get into in detail later, but for our present purposes, Dr. Vale's odontology report?

132 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

133 MR. KELBERG:

Dr. Boger's radiology report?

134 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

135 MR. KELBERG:

Mr. Dowell's, Steve Dowell's report of an examination?

136 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

137 MR. KELBERG:

Have you examined all evidence available to you from the autopsy records for the purposes of independently, if you can, forming an opinion as to the cause of death of Nicole Brown Simpson?

138 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

139 MR. KELBERG:

And independently forming an opinion similarly with respect to the same materials, obviously different content, but same general nature of materials, for Ronald Goldman?

140 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

141 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, what is your opinion to a reasonable medical certainty as to the cause of Nicole Brown Simpson's death?

142 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

She died of multiple sharp force injuries.

143 MR. KELBERG:

As a result of multiple sharp force injuries, what happened to her body to cause death?

144 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

She had injury to major vascular structures which caused bleeding, and she died as a result of the hemorrhage and the effects of the hemorrhage from these injuries.

145 MR. KELBERG:

As a lay term, she bled to death, would that be accurate?

146 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That would be an accurate statement.

147 MR. KELBERG:

With respect to Ronald Goldman, did you form an opinion as to the cause of death which you hold to a reasonable medical certainty?

148 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

149 MR. KELBERG:

What is that opinion?

150 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

He also died of multiple sharp force injuries.

151 MR. KELBERG:

Did you form an opinion from your review of all of these materials as to whether a single single-edged knife could have caused all of the sharp force injuries received by Nicole Brown Simpson?

152 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

153 MR. KELBERG:

What is your opinion?

154 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

My opinion is that a single-edged knife could have caused all the injuries in Miss Nicole Brown Simpson.

155 MR. KELBERG:

And is that a single, that is one single-edged knife?

156 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

157 MR. KELBERG:

Can you approximate the dimensions of any such knife that could have caused all of the sharp force injuries received by Nicole Brown Simpson?

158 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

It will be difficult to exactly pinpoint the exact measurements of a weapon. But you could have a--because you won't know the full diameter of the weapon from the base to the tip.

159 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry.

160 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Because you can not gauge the total measurement of the weapon from the base to the tip.

161 MR. KELBERG:

Do you have an opinion as to the approximate minimum dimensions of any single single-edged knife which could have caused all of the sharp force injuries to Nicole Brown Simpson?

162 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I made an opinion for both the cases together.

163 MR. KELBERG:

All right. Let me save that question until I ask you about Mr. Goldman's case. Did you form an opinion as to whether or not a single single-edged knife could have caused all of the sharp force injuries received by Ronald Goldman?

164 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

165 MR. KELBERG:

What is your opinion?

166 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

A single-edged knife could have caused all the injuries of Ron Goldman.

167 MR. KELBERG:

Did you form an opinion as to whether the same single-edged knife which caused--could have caused all of the sharp force injuries to Nicole Brown Simpson could also have caused all of the sharp force injuries to Ronald Goldman?

168 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I have.

169 MR. KELBERG:

What is your opinion in that regard?

170 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The same single-edged knife could have caused the injuries on both the decedents.

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171 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, now let me revisit that question I asked you a moment ago. Do you have an opinion as to the approximate minimum dimensions that any such knife would have?

172 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I can only give an approximate estimation because, as I told you, because of the variabilities of different class characteristics of weapons and injury patterns. My estimate, if somebody was looking for a knife, would be a six-inch long blade, single-edged cutting blade with a blunt edge up to one-eighth inch in width and about three-fourth inch wide. This is just a approximate estimation because of all the variabilities I discussed this afternoon. You--in knife wounds, it's best to get a weapon and then see whether the weapon matches all the wounds in the body or could have caused all the wounds in the body. And I've already given you my descriptions on it. So this is my rough estimate of wound damages as I just opined.

173 MR. KELBERG:

Again, just for class characteristics, doctor, exhibit 333, and talking about the minimum length of the blade, in your opinion, approximately at least six inches in length?

174 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

175 MR. KELBERG:

And you talked about the thickness of the blade a minimum of an eighth of an inch?

176 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No. I said up to an eighth of an inch.

177 MR. KELBERG:

Up to an eighth of an inch?

178 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

179 MR. KELBERG:

And the thickness of the blade at its thickest part, approximately how thick?

180 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

You mean the width of the blade.

181 MR. KELBERG:

Width. Excuse me.

182 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Three-quarters of an inch. And again, this is an approximate estimation. We normally like to have a weapon to compare to the wounds.

183 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, are you able to say that in fact, only one knife caused all of the sharp force injuries to Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman?

184 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

185 MR. KELBERG:

What can you say on that issue?

186 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Basically that a single-edged knife is capable of causing all the wounds in both the victims, but I can not exclude double-edged knife being used in some of the wounds. But a single-edged knife could have caused all the wounds.

187 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, from that--let me just briefly go back to one of the exhibits. And Mr. Lynch is going to have to help me with the number. I'm not sure if it's 340. I think it is.

188 MR. LYNCH:

340.

189 MR. KELBERG:

Thank you, Mr. Lynch.

190 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, what you just said with respect to some of the wound appearances, is it accurate to say that from the appearance of the wound alone in some of these instances on these two cases, you could not distinguish whether it was inflicted by a single-edged knife blade or a double-edged knife blade?

191 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

192 MR. KELBERG:

Is it accurate that some of the wounds that you observed could only have been inflicted by a single-edged knife?

193 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

194 MR. KELBERG:

And all of the wounds could have been inflicted with a single-edged knife?

195 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

196 MR. KELBERG:

Did you see any wound that could not have been inflicted by a single-edged knife when you looked at the two cases together?

197 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

198 MR. KELBERG:

Did you see any wound that told you there must in fact have been at least a second knife?

199 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

200 MR. KELBERG:

And is it all based upon the kinds of things you talked about with respect to this chart, 340?

201 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

202 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, in the course of this review that you made, you've already identified a number of mistakes that in your opinion were made by Dr. Golden; is that correct?

203 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

204 MR. KELBERG:

And in the course of your complete review, did you find that Dr. Golden made a lot of mistakes?

205 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I'd say he made mistakes. I don't want to use the word "A lot of mistakes."

206 MR. KELBERG:

Did you find--well, let me ask you in general terms, what kind of mistakes, if you can characterize them, did you find that Dr. Golden made?

207 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

The mistakes were, as I told you, he missed a brain contusion on Miss Nicole--he failed to recall the brain contusion on Nicole Brown Simpson on--he also failed to describe the injury to the right thyroid cornu when he described the laryngeal structures of Nicole Brown Simpson. He made some dictating mistakes when he dictated the measurement of the wound from the diagram when he dictated the original description. These were some of the mistakes on Nicole. We are going to go into detail on the charts I've discussed. Ron Goldman, the mistakes were errors where he failed to describe some wounds which were addressed in the addendum after looking at the photographs. He also had some injuries which were diagrammed, two of them which we could not see in the photograph. So basically there were some injuries in both the victims which were not addressed in the original protocol which were addressed in the addendum, and in my detail review in the last few weeks, I found some other injuries which--which needed to be addressed which were not addressed in either the original protocol or the addendum. Taking in total--taking all the facts together, I would say there was several mistakes in both cases, but I won't say a lot of mistakes, but there are mistakes.

208 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, it took you a long time to give that answer. Doesn't that indicate to you that he made a lot of mistakes?

209 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

If you want to phrase it that way, yes.

210 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, in fact, have you attempted to identify every mistake with respect to the most minor to the most serious?

211 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct. And as I said earlier to this jury and everybody who is watching this trial, I'm here to tell the truth as it is and present the Coroner's findings and discuss the cause and manner of death and the--and interpretation of the injuries.

212 MR. KELBERG:

So, doctor, if we use as an example a failure of Dr. Golden to identify an injury in the protocol, if we call that a mistake, and we say that his failure to diagram it on a form that is available, that's also a mistake, and if in fact he didn't address it in the addendum report that you've identified and we consider that a mistake, out of that one injury, we would have three mistakes; is that correct?

213 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

214 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, using that type of criteria, did you in fact find that Dr. Golden made upwards of 30 or more mistakes?

215 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I didn't count them. That would be a fair statement.

KEY QUOTE
216 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, Dr. Golden is a friend and colleague of yours; is that correct?

217 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

218 MR. KELBERG:

Have you pulled any punches in trying to identify mistakes?

219 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

220 MR. KELBERG:

Have you evaluated to the best of your expertise the significance if any of each mistake as it causes you to evaluate the issue of cause of death?

221 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

222 MR. KELBERG:

Manner of death?

223 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

224 MR. KELBERG:

Whether one knife caused all of these sharp force injuries?

225 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

226 MR. KELBERG:

Whether one person murdered these two human beings?

227 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

228 MR. KELBERG:

On the amount of time these two people lived from the times the first injuries were inflicted on each?

229 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

230 MR. KELBERG:

On the issue of how much blood flowed from any particular wound?

231 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

232 MR. KELBERG:

On the issue of the time of death, trying to estimate a specific or a range for time of death?

233 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

234 MR. KELBERG:

On the source or sources for any blunt force trauma injury that was identified from your photographic review?

235 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I have.

236 MR. KELBERG:

Did you find in your opinion that any of these mistakes had any significance to you in being able to form opinions on each of those issues?

237 MR. SHAPIRO:

Objection. No foundation.

238 THE COURT:

Overruled.

239 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

None.

240 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, when we go through bit by bit and photograph by photograph, I'll ask you to spell it out why it is you feel that, taking into account all of these mistakes, not one of them in your opinion was significant?

241 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct, for the issues we discussed.

242 MR. KELBERG:

By the way--by the way, doctor, how about collectively? Setting aside just any one, let's take them all together, significant to you on any of the issues I identified?

243 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

No.

244 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, at this time, I have some photographs to be marked for identification, a single board to start with. I'm going to ask if I could to have Mr. Lynch help me with some of the oversized boards that we'll be using, and I think Mr. Fairtlough is going to handle the wound chart for Nicole Brown Simpson on the elmo.

245 (Brief pause.)
246 THE COURT:

And, Mr. Kelberg, would you show briefly to Mr. Shapiro the photo charts that you're going to use first?

247 MR. KELBERG:

I'd be delighted, your Honor.

248 THE COURT:

All right. Why don't you hold--let me ask Mr. Shapiro to come over there.

249 (Brief pause.)
250 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, I would ask that this board of photographs be marked as I believe it's 352.

251 THE COURT:

Interesting number. Never mind.

252 MR. KELBERG:

I'm sorry, your Honor?

253 THE COURT:

Never mind. Just a--

254 MR. KELBERG:

I know there's--

255 (Peo's 352 for id = board of photos)
256 MR. KELBERG:

Your Honor, I want to be certain that with my clumsiness, I don't inadvertently display them. If I could ask Mr. Lynch when he's done to help me put this board on the easel. Let me get on the other side.

257 (Brief pause.)
258 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, I'm going to ask you, if you would, please, to step down, bring a pointer with you, if you would bring your wound charts on Nicole Brown Simpson. Did I take it back from you, doctor?

259 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

I think one of them is yours.

260 (The witness complies.)
261 MR. KELBERG:

And, doctor, I'm going to ask that you keep your voice up, please, as we go through the testimony regarding these particular photographs. Doctor, first of all, do each of these photographs on this exhibit 352 fairly and accurately depict the condition of Nicole Brown Simpson at the time of the autopsy on June 14th, 1994?

262 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

263 MR. KELBERG:

Keep your voice up, please.

264 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, yes, yes.

265 MR. KELBERG:

Are all of these photographs which were in fact taken in the manner that you described earlier today in your testimony on June 14th, 1994?

266 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes.

267 MR. KELBERG:

Now, doctor, there is a description that has been written in in ink--not description, but a number, a B and some number that is underneath. It's kind of faint, but it will be used as a reference to which photographs we're looking at. Is that your understanding?

268 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

That is correct.

269 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, I want to begin with a photograph that's in the middle of the bottom row, photograph b-13. Is this one of the photographs you reviewed?

270 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes, I did.

271 MR. KELBERG:

Is there anything of significance that you see in this particular photograph?

272 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. Before I discuss each photograph, I will discuss what is in the photograph, but I'd like to refer to the chart I prepared with reference to the exact measurements.

273 MR. KELBERG:

If you would, please. And, doctor, do your best if you could. There's a microphone I believe that's been placed just about where you're standing. So if you'll keep your voice up, please.

274 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

B-13 is a photograph of the facial region of Miss Simpson, and it depicts the fatal large stab/incise wound to the front of the neck. It starts from the left side of the neck and goes upwards to the right side extending to just below the ear, but you can't see it in this frontal view photograph. You can also see a portion of one of the stab wounds of the left side of the neck.

275 MR. KELBERG:

Doctor, did you, using a one-to-one photograph, measure the nature of the wound that we see, this stab/incise wound you've described in photograph b-13?

276 DR. LAKSHMANAN:

Yes. The--as I told you earlier, this photograph only shows portions of the major stab/incise wound. In the one is to one photograph, the portion seen measured three and a half inches by one and a quarter inches, and this wound, as you can see, transects the thyroid hyoid area, which is the area between the voice box, which is the larynx. And above the voice box, there is a bone called the hyoid bone. It is a u-shaped bone which is situated above the voice box or the larynx, and that is called the thyroid hyoid area, between the hyoid bone and the voice box. And this wound transected that thyroid hyoid area. It also transected an area of the voice box call the epiglottis, which is like a protruding piece of tissue which closes off the air passage when you swallow fluid.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (5)

Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
The same single-edged knife could have caused the injuries on both the decedents.
Core prosecution opinion linking both murders to a single weapon — directly supports a single-killer theory.
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
There's nothing to hide. We made a mistake and we corrected it.
Preemptive credibility defense of the Coroner's office regarding addendum reports, framing errors as routine and transparent rather than concealed.
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
I didn't count them. That would be a fair statement.
Reluctant concession that Dr. Golden made upwards of 30 mistakes — significant impeachment material for the defense, elicited by the prosecution itself to control the narrative.
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
My estimate, if somebody was looking for a knife, would be a six-inch long blade, single-edged cutting blade with a blunt edge up to one-eighth inch in width and about three-fourth inch wide.
Specific knife dimensions offered as opinion — a foundation for tying any recovered weapon to the murders.
Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
I'm here to tell the truth as it is and present the Coroner's findings and discuss the cause and manner of death and the interpretation of the injuries.
Unprompted credibility statement directed at the jury, reinforcing his role as an objective reviewer rather than an advocate.

Evidence (9)

People's 349
12 boards containing life-size (one-to-one) blow-up photographs of autopsy materials, labeled 0-B through 11-B on the back, copies of exhibits 344-A through 348
stipulated and marked
People's 350
Outline of injuries to Nicole Brown Simpson (94-05136) — wound summary chart prepared by Dr. Lakshmanan
introduced and discussed
People's 351
Outline of injuries to Ronald Goldman (94-05135) — wound summary chart prepared by Dr. Lakshmanan
introduced
People's 352
Board of autopsy photographs of Nicole Brown Simpson
introduced; witness steps down to describe photograph b-13 showing fatal neck wound
People's 335-A
Draft addendum report for Nicole Brown Simpson with typewritten and handwritten annotations from Dr. Lakshmanan and Dr. Golden
displayed on Elmo and discussed
People's 340
Wound characteristic chart used to explain single- vs. double-edged knife analysis
referenced
+ 3 more

Notable Exchanges (3)

Brian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Kelberg presses Lakshmanan to quantify Dr. Golden's errors, eventually asking if he found 'upwards of 30 or more mistakes.' Lakshmanan resists the framing ('I don't want to use the word a lot of mistakes') but ultimately concedes the number is fair. Kelberg even notes aloud that Lakshmanan's long answer itself suggests many mistakes — drawing a reluctant 'If you want to phrase it that way, yes.'
strategic
Brian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
After a convoluted question about whether wound charts cross-referenced addendum entries, Kelberg himself admits 'boy, that question makes no sense whatsoever' and asks to try again. Lakshmanan simply says 'Please.' The exchange defuses tension with dry humor.
light
Brian KelbergDr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
Kelberg walks Lakshmanan through a rapid-fire series of conclusory questions — one knife? one person? time of death? blood flow? — each answered 'I have,' building a methodical capstone to establish the scope of the expert's review before diving into photographs.
strategic

Light Moments (3)

Brian Kelberg
Judge Ito asks Kelberg to describe the envelope of photographs 'for the record.' Kelberg deadpans: 'By weight or number of photographs?' Ito asks for size and approximate count instead.
Lance A. Ito
When exhibit 352 is marked, Ito says 'Interesting number. Never mind.' — an unexplained aside that Kelberg acknowledges but does not pursue ('I know there's--').
Brian Kelberg / Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran
After a hopelessly tangled question, Kelberg says 'You're staring at me like boy, that question makes no sense whatsoever. Let me try again.' Lakshmanan responds simply: 'Please.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Dr. Irwin Golden
prior errors / omissions in official report
Kelberg, through his own witness, systematically catalogs Golden's mistakes: missed brain contusion, failure to describe thyroid cornu injury, dictation errors on wound measurements, wounds unaddressed in original protocol or addendum. The prosecution elicits this preemptively — framing it as transparency — but the cumulative picture of 30+ errors is significant impeachment of the original autopsy.

Witness Demeanor

Professional and methodical throughout; volunteers caveats and qualifications rather than overstating opinions
Visibly reluctant to use the phrase 'a lot of mistakes' about colleague Dr. Golden, repeatedly softening language
Steps down from the stand and uses a pointer to walk the jury through photographs
Occasionally corrects Kelberg's terminology mid-answer (e.g., 'width' vs. 'thickness' of blade, 'up to' vs. 'minimum')

Objections

1 objections (0 sustained, 1 overruled)
Proceeding 6288 • 276 utterances • Prosecution witness
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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