📄 Recess and cross-examination preparation — Friday, June 23, 1995
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Recess and cross-examination preparation

Date: Friday, June 23, 1995 • Utterances: 49
The court took a brief recess to allow defense attorney Peter Neufeld to organize and hand over discovery materials he planned to use in cross-examining the DNA expert witness (Dr. Weir). During the jury's absence, prosecutor George Clarke reviewed the materials and flagged specific objections — particularly to slides from the National Research Council report and an unpublished letter to Science magazine — on hearsay grounds. Neufeld also argued that under California law and Witkin's treatise, he should be allowed to cross-examine an expert on any publication the expert consulted, not just those specifically relied upon.
1 THE COURT:

Mr. Neufeld.

2 MR. NEUFELD:

Yes, your Honor. Do you want to take five minute so I can handle the discovery documents?

3 THE COURT:

Sure. Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to take a brief five or ten-minute recess just to cycle into cross-examination. Please remember all my admonitions. Let me ask you to step back into the jury room.

4 (The jury exited the courtroom and the following proceedings were held in open court.)
5 THE COURT:

All right. Thank you. Be seated. The record should reflect the jury has withdrawn from the courtroom. Mr. Neufeld, what do you need?

6 MR. NEUFELD:

I want to turn over to the People copies of the items I intend to utilize to cross-examine this witness.

7 THE COURT:

All right.

8 MR. NEUFELD:

Which will take me about two or three minutes just to put together. What is the--I'm sorry, does the Court prefer to see the overheads first or shall I just--

9 THE COURT:

Why don't you show it to counsel.

10 MR. NEUFELD:

There is more.

11 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.)
12 (Discussion held off the record between Deputy District Attorney and Defense counsel.)
13 (Discussion held off the record between Defense counsel.)
14 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)
15 (Discussion held off the record between Deputy District Attorney and Defense counsel.)
16 THE COURT:

Miss Robertson, do you have Dr. Shield's CV as a Defense exhibit? What is Defense next in order? It should be 1197.

17 (Deft's 1197 for id = Dr. Shield's CV)
18 THE COURT:

All right. Mr. Clarke, are we about ready to proceed?

19 MR. CLARKE:

Yes. I'm just finishing one of the letters if I could, your Honor.

20 THE COURT:

All right.

21 (Brief pause.)
22 (Discussion held off the record between Deputy District Attorney and Defense counsel.)
23 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)
24 THE COURT:

All right. Mr. Clarke, are we ready?

25 THE CLERK:

Yes. I need to address these items individually when the Court is ready.

26 THE COURT:

All right. Let's proceed.

27 MR. CLARKE:

All right. The Defense has obviously handed us a number of different items. I will start with those which we do not have an objection to. And in terms of describing them, we have been provided what appear to be a stapled package of six charts that look similar to the charts used yesterday in court on the overhead projector, including the summing of genotype, type charts. And at this point, assuming a proper foundation is laid, we have no objection to their use.

28 THE COURT:

All right.

29 (Discussion held off the record between the Deputy District Attorneys.)
30 MR. CLARKE:

We also received what appear to be smaller versions of what I anticipate will be slides used with the witness. Two of them refer to the steering wheel and contain something of a diagram. And again assuming a proper foundation is laid, we have no objection to them. There are, however, in addition to that, what appear to be six slides with the cover of the national research council report and then various portions from that particular report. Our objection is the same as it has been previously with regard to hearsay and evidence code section 721, so I'm simply alerting to the Court that there will be an objection if there is any attempt to use that. And I don't believe the Defense should be able to either read from it or put a slide on the board until a proper foundation is laid under 721. There is a one-page table of what appears to be a frequency chart, database type frequency chart. Again assuming a proper foundation is laid, we have no objection to it.

And then there are two sets of documents, one of which is the--appears to be a copy of the unpublished letter to science magazine that was a topic of discussion in this court some weeks ago. Our objection remains the same to it. Obviously hearsay, not been published in the scientific literature, and again I just want to alert the Court if the Defense attempts to bring out contents or the nature of this report without otherwise providing a proper foundation as to its hearsay nature, then my objection probably will be rapid. And of what has been provided to us, the last item appears to be a series of three letters, four letters, I'm sorry, some from Dr. Weir and at least one to Dr. Weir.

31 MR. NEUFELD:

I'm sorry, let me interrupt. I would just ask that I think is the Court's rule on discovery that it is going to be used for cross-examination, that it not be shown to the witness while he is being cross-examined, that for this discussion I would simply ask that the witness step out of the room.

32 THE COURT:

No.

33 MR. CLARKE:

There are number of letters, and again, unless there is a proper foundation, they are obviously hearsay at this point, so I just want to alert the Court that any attempts on the Defense's part--

34 THE COURT:

If they are letters of Dr. Weir's, they could be prior inconsistent statements, et cetera.

35 MR. CLARKE:

They may be. That is what I mean. In other words, I'm assuming a proper foundation will be laid for all of this, but I want to alert the Court that my objections may be very quick and very vocal about items that this Court has already resolved.

36 THE COURT:

All right. Thank you. Anything else?

37 MR. NEUFELD:

Yes, your Honor. I would like to actually resolve one comment on the national academy of science report. Your Honor, I have looked at some of the case law in California since we addressed this issue last with Dr. Cotton, and I frankly have not found any case that says that the witness can pick and choose within a chapter within a learned treatise and say that he can be cross-examined as to a portion of a chapter which he relies on but he doesn't rely on another portion of the chapter.

38 THE COURT:

Let see what the foundation is.

39 MR. NEUFELD:

Okay. I also want to call the Court's attention to Witkin and Witkin says very specifically, your Honor, that--and I quote--

40 THE COURT:

Which edition?

41 MR. NEUFELD:

Witkin or Witkin and Epstein?

42 MR. NEUFELD:

Witkin 5, cross-examination of expert witnesses, section 1899, et seq.

43 THE COURT:

Well, if Witkin says it, it must be true.

KEY QUOTE
44 MR. NEUFELD:

And the statement in Witkin, your Honor, is, and I quote: "Similarity is important to permit an expert witness to be cross-examined concerning those publications referred to or considered by him even though not specifically relied on by him in forming his opinion. An expert's reasons for not relying on a particular publication that we referred to or considered by him on forming his opinion may reveal important information bearing upon the credibility of his testimony." I would also point out, your Honor, that this witness cites the NRC report in his report that was filed with the Court and given to counsel.

45 THE COURT:

Well, like I said, let's see what the foundation is.

KEY QUOTE
46 MR. NEUFELD:

Certainly.

47 THE COURT:

All right. Let's have the jurors.

48 (Brief pause.)
49 (The following proceedings were held in open court, in the presence of the jury:)

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (4)

Lance A. Ito
Well, if Witkin says it, it must be true.
Dry judicial humor in response to Neufeld citing the Witkin legal treatise as authority — one of Ito's characteristic wry remarks.
Peter Neufeld
I frankly have not found any case that says that the witness can pick and choose within a chapter within a learned treatise and say that he can be cross-examined as to a portion of a chapter which he relies on but he doesn't rely on another portion of the chapter.
Neufeld's core legal argument for broad cross-examination rights on the NRC report, central to the DNA evidence battle.
George Clarke
My objections may be very quick and very vocal about items that this Court has already resolved.
Clarke putting the court on notice that he will object aggressively if Neufeld tries to relitigate settled evidentiary rulings during cross.
Lance A. Ito
Let's see what the foundation is.
Ito's repeated response to both sides — declining to pre-rule and deferring to how the examination actually unfolds.

Evidence (7)

Defense 1197
Dr. Shield's CV, marked as Defense exhibit for identification
marked for identification
Informal
Six charts summarizing genotype frequency data, similar to charts used the previous day on the overhead projector
disclosed to prosecution pre-cross; no objection pending foundation
Informal
Slides depicting steering wheel diagrams (two slides)
disclosed to prosecution pre-cross; no objection pending foundation
Informal
National Research Council report — cover and excerpted portions (six slides)
disclosed; prosecution objected on hearsay and Evidence Code section 721 grounds
Informal
One-page database frequency chart
disclosed; no objection pending foundation
Informal
Unpublished letter to Science magazine (previously contested in prior proceedings)
disclosed; prosecution objected as hearsay and unpublished
+ 1 more

Notable Exchanges (3)

Peter NeufeldLance A. Ito
Neufeld argued from Witkin's treatise that an expert can be cross-examined on any publication consulted during opinion formation, not just those explicitly relied upon; Ito deflected with a dry quip and declined to pre-rule.
strategic
George ClarkeLance A. Ito
Clarke methodically walked through each document category, flagging objections in advance; Ito noted that letters from Dr. Weir could qualify as prior inconsistent statements.
procedural
Peter NeufeldLance A. Ito
Neufeld asked that the witness be removed from the courtroom during the document discussion; Ito denied the request with a single word: 'No.'
routine

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
After Neufeld cited Witkin's legal treatise as authority, Ito deadpanned: 'Well, if Witkin says it, it must be true.'

Credibility Attacks (1)

⚔ Dr. Weir
prior inconsistent statements via letters
Defense disclosed letters from/to Dr. Weir for use in cross-examination; prosecution acknowledged they might qualify as prior inconsistent statements, signaling that Neufeld intends to impeach Weir with his own written correspondence.

Objections

None recorded
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