📄 Return to record: scheduling — Monday, July 31, 1995
📅 Jul 31 — Day 125
⚖️ Lance A. Ito🛡️ Peter Neufeld
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Return to record: scheduling

Date: Monday, July 31, 1995 • Utterances: 20
Judge Ito briefly addresses the status of a juror who had fallen ill, confirming after a recess meeting with counsel that the juror is fit to continue. The remainder of the proceeding is scheduling discussion, with Neufeld flagging complications around the sequencing of Michelle Kestler's testimony relative to the Peratis tape and the Savage/Kestler hearing.
1 (Pages 39238 through 39241 volume 197a transcribed and sealed under separate cover.)
2 THE COURT:

Back on the record in the Simpson matter. All parties are again present. The record should reflect that over the recess the Court had the opportunity to meet with the juror who fell ill last week, in the presence of counsel for both sides, and both the Court and counsel, I believe, have assured ourselves that that juror is able and willing to proceed with jury service, continue jury service on this matter, and with just minor adjustment with ongoing medical treatment for that condition, so the Court is satisfied with that inquiry. All right. Mr. Neufeld, you indicated there was something preliminary you wanted to bring up before we start with Mr. MacDonell?

3 MR. NEUFELD:

Yes. Good morning, your Honor.

4 THE COURT:

Good morning, sir.

5 MR. NEUFELD:

Actually, before I bring up the preliminary matter, just a quick scheduling issue. It was suggested that perhaps we would hear from Michelle Kestler at 4:00 P.M. tomorrow afternoon.

6 THE COURT:

Correct.

7 MR. NEUFELD:

Just so we are clear, it was the Defense intention that after we finish with Professor MacDonell that we would play the tape of Peratis and that only takes about ten or fifteen minutes, that we would hope to resolve the Savage/kestler hearing testimony in advance of hearing Kestler's trial testimony, but Kestler is going to be the next trial witness after Tracie Savage, in front of the jury, that is. This just throws, you know, a little bit of a monkey wrench into the works.

8 THE COURT:

Well, here is the problem. Despite what Miss Lewis might think, I don't consider this to be a no brainer issue. There are very sophisticated issues, sub-issues, and it involves reviewing very carefully the record regarding materiality. This is not a decision that I'm going to make sitting here without any thought, contemplation and going over the issues.

9 MR. DARDEN:

I'm sorry, your Honor, if I could indicate this. Miss Lewis was referring to the Gretchen Stockdale issue; not the Michelle Kestler issue.

10 THE COURT:

That is not the way I understood her comment.

11 MR. NEUFELD:

All I ask--

12 THE COURT:

And she is entitled to her opinion. If she thinks it is a no brainer, like I said, she is much brighter than I am. Go ahead.

13 MR. NEUFELD:

All I ask then, since we are proceeding internally, that premise--

14 THE COURT:

The problem is, counsel, what I'm saying is I don't want to be pushed into making a decision on this faster than I have to.

15 MR. NEUFELD:

I think what you are saying makes perfect sense. All I'm saying is we would like to get back sometime this afternoon. If we have some small gap, maybe we can move Kestler up to the early part of tomorrow afternoon, and if need be, or something. I'm just saying this we may have a little difficulty in filling that void with other witnesses who are prepared at this moment. That is all I'm saying. And I can report back to the Court this afternoon with that information.

16 THE COURT:

I understand that. And if we have to have a gap here and there, that is something that we will have to deal with. I understand Miss Kestler--my clerk gave me a note that Miss Kestler apparently has a personal funeral obligation tomorrow afternoon, so that may be a problem as well. I don't know.

17 MR. NEUFELD:

Maybe we could take her earlier then so we wouldn't interfere with that obligation, if the Court so desires.

18 THE COURT:

If time permits we will.

19 MR. NEUFELD:

Okay.

20 THE COURT:

Why don't we finish Professor MacDonell first.

Temperature

procedural

Key Quotes (3)

Lance A. Ito
Despite what Miss Lewis might think, I don't consider this to be a no brainer issue. There are very sophisticated issues, sub-issues, and it involves reviewing very carefully the record regarding materiality.
Ito pushes back on what he perceived as a dismissive characterization of the Kestler/Savage issue, asserting that he will not be rushed into a ruling.
Lance A. Ito
If she thinks it is a no brainer, like I said, she is much brighter than I am.
Dry, mildly sarcastic rebuke of Lewis's framing — one of the few moments of personality from the bench in an otherwise routine scheduling colloquy.
Christopher Darden
Miss Lewis was referring to the Gretchen Stockdale issue; not the Michelle Kestler issue.
Clarifies a miscommunication between Lewis and the judge, distinguishing two separate pending evidentiary matters.

Evidence (1)

Informal
Peratis tape — deposition or recorded statement from Thano Peratis, described as taking roughly ten to fifteen minutes to play
discussed (scheduling)

Notable Exchanges (2)

Lance A. ItoPeter Neufeld
Neufeld tries to pin down a timeline for Kestler's testimony and maneuver around scheduling gaps; Ito resists being pushed to decide faster than necessary and reminds counsel he will not be rushed.
strategic
Lance A. ItoChristopher Darden
Darden corrects the judge's misattribution — Ito had applied Lewis's 'no brainer' comment to the Kestler issue when she actually said it about the Gretchen Stockdale issue.
clarifying

Light Moments (1)

Lance A. Ito
Ito quips that if Lewis thinks the issue is a no-brainer, 'she is much brighter than I am' — a dry, self-deprecating barb.

Objections

None recorded
Proceeding 7079 • 20 utterances
Criminal Trial
Department 103
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