Arnelle Simpson, OJ's eldest daughter (age 26), testified about her life at the Rockingham residence, her father's relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson, and the household routines in the year leading up to the murders. She established that the white Bronco was routinely driven by multiple family members including Nicole, described OJ as a chronic last-minute packer (a family joke), and accounted for her own whereabouts on June 12, 1994 — she went to 10am church and was out all day.
# 1 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you very kindly, your Honor. Good morning, your Honor. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
THE JURY: Good morning.
D E F E N S E
# 2 MR. COCHRAN: Your Honor, the first witness that the Defense will call is Miss Arnelle Simpson.
# 3 THE COURT: Miss Simpson, will you come forward, please.
Arnelle Simpson, called as a witness by the Defendant, was sworn and testified as follows:
# 4 THE CLERK: Please raise your right hand. You do solemnly swear that the testimony you may give in the cause now pending before this Court, shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
# 6 THE CLERK: Please have a seat on the witness stand and state and spell your first and last names for the record.
# 7 MS. SIMPSON: Arnelle Simpson, A-R-N-E-L-L-E S-I-M-P-S-O-N.
# 8 THE CLERK: Thank you.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. COCHRAN
# 9 MR. COCHRAN: Good morning, Miss Simpson.
# 10 MS. SIMPSON: Good morning.
# 11 MR. COCHRAN: Miss Simpson, are you acquainted with the gentleman at the end of counsel table there, Mr. O.J. Simpson?
# 12 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I am.
# 13 MR. COCHRAN: How are you acquainted with him?
# 14 MS. SIMPSON: I'm his daughter.
# 15 MR. COCHRAN: And do you have other brothers and sisters?
# 16 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I do.
# 17 MR. COCHRAN: And tell us about your brothers and sisters, their names and approximate ages.
# 18 MS. SIMPSON: Jason, Sydney and Justin.
# 19 MR. COCHRAN: And can you tell us approximately their ages?
# 20 MS. SIMPSON: Jason is 25, Sydney is 10 and Justin is 6.
# 21 MR. COCHRAN: And you are still young enough that I can ask this. How old are you?
# 23 MR. COCHRAN: And you are the oldest of the Simpson siblings?
# 24 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I am.
# 25 MR. COCHRAN: What was your date of birth?
# 26 MS. SIMPSON: 12/4/68.
# 27 MR. COCHRAN: Something unusual about that date?
# 28 MS. SIMPSON: I was born the same day my dad won the Heisman trophy.
KEY QUOTE # 29 MR. COCHRAN: Now, with regard to your background, have you attended college?
# 30 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 31 MR. COCHRAN: Where did you attend college?
# 32 MS. SIMPSON: I went to the University of Colorado and then transferred to Howard University in Washington D.C.
# 33 MR. COCHRAN: And at some point did you finish Howard University?
# 34 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 35 MR. COCHRAN: When was that, approximately?
# 36 MS. SIMPSON: In `92.
# 37 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, after you finished college--and Howard University is in Washington D.C.?
# 38 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, it is.
# 39 MR. COCHRAN: Did you then have occasion to return back to Southern California?
# 40 MS. SIMPSON: Yeah, periodically through the holidays.
# 41 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And prior to that--and after that did you have occasion to relocate here to Southern California, move back here and live here?
# 42 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 43 MR. COCHRAN: When was that, approximately?
# 44 MS. SIMPSON: In September of `92.
# 45 MR. COCHRAN: And that was after finishing; is that correct?
# 46 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, it was.
# 47 MR. COCHRAN: Did there come a time thereafter that you have had occasion to move back to the Rockingham residence that we have heard about in Brentwood?
# 48 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 49 MR. COCHRAN: Now, had you lived at Rockingham at some time earlier in your life?
# 50 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 51 MR. COCHRAN: Do you recall when that was, approximately?
# 52 MS. SIMPSON: Off and on my whole life.
# 53 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Well, when you were a young lady was your father married to your mother?
# 55 MR. COCHRAN: And what is your mother's name?
# 56 MS. SIMPSON: Marguerite Thomas.
# 57 MR. COCHRAN: Is she present in Court today?
# 58 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, she is.
# 59 MR. COCHRAN: Is she the lady with the flower on with the yellow?
# 60 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, she is.
# 61 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And when did you first move into Rockingham, if you recall?
# 62 (No audible response.) # 63 MR. COCHRAN: As a youngster?
# 64 MS. SIMPSON: I was I believe 7 when I first moved in with my mother and father.
# 65 MR. COCHRAN: And can you move a little closer to the microphone.
# 67 THE COURT: Why don't you just pull it closer. Thank you.
# 68 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you, your Honor.
# 69 MR. COCHRAN: I'm sorry, I missed that last answer. You were approximately 7 years of age?
# 70 MS. SIMPSON: Yeah, I believe so, uh-huh.
# 71 MR. COCHRAN: And at that time was that the family home?
# 72 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, it was.
# 73 MR. COCHRAN: And who lived at that house at that time?
# 74 MS. SIMPSON: My mother, my father, myself and my brother and my sister Erin and she passed.
# 75 MR. COCHRAN: You had a sister Erin who ultimately passed?
# 77 MR. COCHRAN: So this was a family home purchased at that time; is that correct?
# 78 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, it was.
# 79 MR. COCHRAN: How long did you live at Rockingham after you moved in at about 7 years of age?
# 80 MS. SIMPSON: I lived there until `87 when I graduated from high school.
# 81 MR. COCHRAN: All right. From high school?
# 82 MS. SIMPSON: Uh-huh.
# 83 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You've got to say yes.
# 85 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, then after--from `87--after `87 you lived other places; is that correct?
# 86 MS. SIMPSON: Pardon me?
# 87 MR. COCHRAN: You didn't live at Rockingham after `87 for awhile?
# 88 MS. SIMPSON: I went off to college.
# 89 MR. COCHRAN: Then after now you had finished college, did there come a time in 1993 that you moved back into Rockingham?
# 90 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 91 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Will you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury when that was that you moved back into Rockingham.
# 92 MS. SIMPSON: It was approximately probably early March of `93.
# 93 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And what were the circumstances surrounding your moving back? Did you have a conversation with your dad?
# 95 MS. CLARK: Objection, your Honor.
# 96 MS. SIMPSON: I asked if I could move in.
# 97 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 98 MR. COCHRAN: Yes would be appropriate, it seems to me, your Honor.
# 100 MR. COCHRAN: You had a conversation with your dad; is that correct?
# 102 MR. COCHRAN: And in that conversation did the two of you discuss your moving back into Rockingham?
# 103 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, we did.
# 104 MR. COCHRAN: Yes or no. Was anyone else present during that conversation that you had with him?
# 106 MR. COCHRAN: Who was that?
# 107 MS. SIMPSON: Paula Barbieri.
# 108 MR. COCHRAN: Who was Paula Barbieri?
# 109 MS. SIMPSON: My father's girlfriend.
# 110 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And where did this conversation take place?
# 111 MS. SIMPSON: In our TV room at the house.
# 112 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And which house you are talking about? Rockingham?
# 113 MS. SIMPSON: 360, yeah.
# 114 MR. COCHRAN: You can tell us why was it that you decided you wanted to move back at home at that point, just generally?
# 115 MS. CLARK: Objection, relevance.
# 116 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 117 MS. SIMPSON: At the time I was living with my mother and she had a duplex and wanted to rent out the--the place I was staying in, and I had asked my dad if I could move in and he said yes.
# 118 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. He indicated yes?
# 120 MR. COCHRAN: We won't go into the conversation. So the reason was you wanted to move from your mother's residence and you wanted to move back home; is that right?
# 122 MR. COCHRAN: Now, when you lived at Rockingham when you were a youngster, did you have your own room?
# 123 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 124 MR. COCHRAN: And your brother Jason had his own room?
# 125 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 126 MR. COCHRAN: At some point after you moved out did your father remarry?
# 127 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 128 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And the room that you had had, who occupied the rooms that you originally had when you were a young person? Did your younger brothers and sisters take over those rooms?
# 129 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, they did.
# 130 MR. COCHRAN: That is Sydney and Justin?
# 132 MR. COCHRAN: So when you moved back or when you wanted to move back, where were you going to move at that point? Which room were you going to move in, if you know?
# 133 MS. SIMPSON: Because Justin and Sydney were occupying our room, dad built two additional rooms in the back for us so that we would have a place to stay.
# 134 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So he built two additional rooms--may I approach, your Honor? There is a diagram that has been previously marked and I would like to--it is a People's exhibit.
# 135 MR. DOUGLAS: People's 66, your Honor.
# 136 THE COURT: All right. People's 66 which is the diagram of the Rockingham residence.
# 137 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you, your Honor.
# 138 MR. COCHRAN: As I understand it, this particular exhibit is now in evidence; is that correct?
# 140 MR. COCHRAN: Miss Simpson, with regard to People's 66 which purports to be a diagram of the ground at 360 north Rockingham Avenue, you have seen this diagram before, have you?
# 141 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I have.
# 142 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And you were just describing for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury and the Court that your dad had built some additional rooms after his new family had moved into Rockingham; is that correct?
# 144 MR. COCHRAN: And can you show us, if the Court allow you to step down briefly and show us where the rooms were that your dad had built for you and your brother, basically, Jason?
# 145 MS. SIMPSON: (Indicating).
# 146 MR. COCHRAN: For the record, your Honor, Miss Simpson has indicated two areas on People's 66 marked "Arnelle's room" and she indicated both of those rooms, if the Court pleases.
# 148 MR. COCHRAN: And those are the two rooms that you and your brother Jason could occupy; is that correct?
# 149 MS. SIMPSON: Uh-huh, yes.
# 150 MR. COCHRAN: So after this conversation with your dad and Paula Barbieri, did you have occasion to move back into Rockingham?
# 151 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 152 MR. COCHRAN: And in the course of the conversation that you had with your dad, did Paula Barbieri also participate in that conversation?
# 153 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, she did.
# 154 MR. COCHRAN: Now, when you moved back into Rockingham, I think you told us that was perhaps around March or so much 1993?
# 156 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have any special arrangements whereby you were going to pay rent or whatever?
# 157 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I did.
# 158 MR. COCHRAN: And what was that?
# 159 MS. SIMPSON: That I would move in and give my father 50 or a hundred dollars a month so that when it was time for me to get ready to leave I would have money for a down payment for a first and last rent.
# 160 MR. COCHRAN: Did you get the money back?
# 162 MR. COCHRAN: Did you get the money back from your dad if you moved?
# 163 MS. SIMPSON: If I were to move, yes.
# 164 MR. COCHRAN: Did you always pay the 50 or the $100.00?
# 165 MS. SIMPSON: In the beginning I did and then it kind of slacked off.
# 166 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You didn't--you weren't put out, at any rate, were you?
# 168 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, so starting then in March of 1993 you moved back into the residence; is that correct?
# 169 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, yes, I did.
# 170 MR. COCHRAN: Now, I want to ask you a question about the family dogs. Did you have a dog back in the early part of 1993, or dogs, at the Rockingham residence?
# 172 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Tell us the name of those dogs.
# 173 MS. SIMPSON: Chachi and Chubbs.
# 174 MR. COCHRAN: Now, Chachi we have heard about and is that the black chow that you have that we have heard about?
# 176 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know how long you had Chachi, approximately?
# 177 MS. SIMPSON: Oh, goodness, it has been about nine years.
# 178 MR. COCHRAN: So he's a nine-year old dog or something like that?
# 179 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, uh-huh.
# 180 MR. COCHRAN: He is the black dog that we have heard about; is that correct?
# 182 MR. COCHRAN: You mentioned a new name, Chubbs. Who is Chubbs?
# 183 MS. SIMPSON: Our other dog that we had.
# 184 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And what kind of dog was Chubbs?
# 185 MS. SIMPSON: A chow, a brown chow.
# 186 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And do you know how long you had had Chubbs prior to 1993?
# 187 MS. SIMPSON: About eleven, twelve years.
# 188 MR. COCHRAN: Was Chubbs older than Chachi?
# 190 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did something unusual happen to Chubbs?
# 191 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he died.
# 192 MR. COCHRAN: And were you in and around the Rockingham residence when that happened?
# 193 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, I was.
# 194 MR. COCHRAN: And after that did something unusual happen after Chubbs had died?
# 196 MR. COCHRAN: What was that?
# 197 MS. SIMPSON: We buried him.
# 198 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, with regard to this--this dog, you were attached to this dog?
# 200 MR. COCHRAN: What about the younger children?
# 202 MR. COCHRAN: And at that time when did he die exactly?
# 203 MS. SIMPSON: He died either February--end of February, maybe beginning of March of `93.
# 204 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Was Miss Nicole Brown Simpson--do you know where she was living at that point?
# 206 MR. COCHRAN: Where was she living?
# 207 MS. SIMPSON: Gretna Green.
# 208 MR. COCHRAN: Were you acquainted with that residence?
# 210 MR. COCHRAN: Would you occasionally go over to that residence?
# 212 MR. COCHRAN: How often would go over to that residence when she lived at Gretna Green?
# 213 MS. SIMPSON: It was very close so I would stop by periodically to say hello and see the kids, sometimes do errands with her.
# 214 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And did you make Miss Nicole Brown Simpson aware of the fact that this dog Chubbs had died?
# 216 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did something happen thereafter?
# 217 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, she came over.
# 218 MS. CLARK: Objection, irrelevant.
# 219 MR. COCHRAN: I will link it up.
# 220 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 221 MR. COCHRAN: You may answer.
# 223 MR. COCHRAN: And what happened?
# 224 MS. SIMPSON: At that point my father, Nicole and I proceeded to figure out what we were going to do with Chubbs and we decided to bury him in the front yard.
# 225 MR. COCHRAN: He is buried in the front yard of Rockingham?
# 226 MS. SIMPSON: Of the Rockingham house.
# 227 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Was this a procedure that took place on the day you found him?
# 229 MR. COCHRAN: Where did you find this dog?
# 230 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, he was in the pool.
# 231 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, with regard to this--this procedure that you had where the dog was buried, was he buried in the front yard of Rockingham?
# 233 MR. COCHRAN: How did that take place?
# 234 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, we didn't want to give him to anybody because we had had the dog for so long, so Nicole had actually made the decision to bury the dog in the front yard and she dug a hole in the front yard.
# 235 MR. COCHRAN: He was buried in the front yard?
# 237 MR. COCHRAN: Did your father try to dig that hole?
# 238 MS. SIMPSON: He attempted to.
# 239 MR. COCHRAN: And what did you see him do, if anything?
# 240 MS. SIMPSON: He couldn't do it.
# 241 MS. CLARK: Objection, irrelevant.
# 242 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 243 MR. COCHRAN: I would like to make an offer with regard to that.
# 244 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 245 THE COURT: All right. `93.
# 246 MR. COCHRAN: Very well, your Honor.
# 247 MR. COCHRAN: So Miss Nicole Brown Simpson dug this hole; is that correct?
# 249 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Were the younger children also present at that time?
# 250 MS. SIMPSON: No, they were not.
# 251 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Just who was present at the time the dog was buried?
# 252 MS. SIMPSON: My father, Nicole and myself.
# 253 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, after that dog--after Chubbs had passed on, did your father have occasion to buy another dog?
# 254 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 255 MR. COCHRAN: What was that dog's name?
# 257 MR. COCHRAN: When was Kato bought in relationship to the time that Chubbs died?
# 258 MS. SIMPSON: Maybe two to three weeks later.
# 259 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And your dad bought that dog?
# 261 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Where--at that point and thereafter where would Kato live?
# 262 MS. SIMPSON: At my dad's house.
# 263 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. At Rockingham?
# 265 MR. COCHRAN: So how many dogs did you have again at this point?
# 267 MR. COCHRAN: So that you had both Kato and Chachi living at Rockingham; is that correct?
# 269 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Would there ever be occasions when Kato would be over or taken over to Miss Nicole Brown Simpson's residence?
# 271 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And at some point did she move from the location at Gretna Green to some other location?
# 273 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know when that was, approximately?
# 274 MS. SIMPSON: I believe it was the end of `93.
# 275 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And did you--did you in any way--were you aware about the time that she moved? Did you participate in that move at all?
# 276 MS. SIMPSON: No, I did not.
# 277 MR. COCHRAN: You knew when she moved; is that right?
# 279 MR. COCHRAN: That is when she moved to Bundy, is it?
# 281 MR. COCHRAN: Then Kato you have described for us was living at the Rockingham residence primarily; is that right?
# 283 MR. COCHRAN: Along with Chachi; is that right?
# 285 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Would there ever be times when Nicole Brown Simpson would come by and get either one of the dogs, Kato or Chachi?
# 287 MR. COCHRAN: Describe that for us.
# 288 MS. SIMPSON: She would come by in the mornings and either take the dog over to see the kids or she would run with the dog.
# 289 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Which dog would she run with primarily, if you recall?
# 291 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And would she ever run with Chachi?
# 293 MR. COCHRAN: And why was that, if you knew?
# 294 MS. SIMPSON: Chachi has really bad arthritis.
# 295 MR. COCHRAN: He has arthritis?
# 297 MR. COCHRAN: But Kato is a younger dog?
# 299 MR. COCHRAN: She would run with Kato?
# 301 MR. COCHRAN: Would she take Kato with her?
# 303 MR. COCHRAN: Would there be times when Kato would stay overnight over at the Bundy residence?
# 305 MR. COCHRAN: Now, your dad has several cars; is that correct?
# 307 MR. COCHRAN: And when you moved back in in 1993, how many cars did he have at that point, in and around the Rockingham residence?
# 308 MS. SIMPSON: Three.
# 309 MR. COCHRAN: And we have heard about a black Bentley?
# 311 MR. COCHRAN: That is one of the cars?
# 312 MS. SIMPSON: Uh-huh.
# 313 MR. COCHRAN: And did he have a white Bronco?
# 315 MR. COCHRAN: And he had another car?
# 317 MR. COCHRAN: And where is that car?
# 318 MS. SIMPSON: In the garage.
# 319 MR. COCHRAN: All right. That is a third car; is that correct?
# 321 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, with regard to the Bronco, what family members, if any, would drive this Bronco vehicle that your dad had?
# 322 MS. SIMPSON: Everybody.
# 323 MR. COCHRAN: And by "Everybody" who do you mean?
# 324 MS. SIMPSON: Myself, my brother, A.C., Nicole, my father.
KEY QUOTE # 325 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So we get some names, some new names here, when you say "A.C.," who do you have reference to?
# 326 MS. SIMPSON: Allan Cowlings.
# 327 MR. COCHRAN: Is that Cowlings, c-o-w-l-I-n-g-s?
# 329 MR. COCHRAN: Allan Cowlings?
# 331 MR. COCHRAN: Is that a friend of your dad's and the family?
# 333 MR. COCHRAN: And you told us that Nicole would drive the Bronco?
# 335 MR. COCHRAN: You would drive the Bronco?
# 337 MR. COCHRAN: And when you say your brother, I presume you mean your older brother Jason?
# 339 MR. COCHRAN: By the way, I may have neglected, is this your older brother Jason sitting next to your mother?
# 341 MR. COCHRAN: To the right of your mother. Now, do you have a recollection of seeing Miss Nicole Brown Simpson drive that Bronco from the time that you moved back in over the course of the last number of years?
# 343 MR. COCHRAN: Do you recall under what circumstances she would tend to drive the Bronco?
# 344 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, either to take the dogs. At one point her car was in the shop, or to use the car with Justin and Sydney if they had other kids with them, friends of Justin and Sydney's.
# 345 MR. COCHRAN: To go out like on outings or whatever?
# 346 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, yes.
# 347 MR. COCHRAN: Have you ever seen times when she had one or both of the dogs inside the Bronco when she took it?
# 349 MS. CLARK: Objection. Vague as to the time, your Honor.
# 350 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 351 MR. COCHRAN: Have you seen times when she has had one or both the dogs in the car?
# 353 MR. COCHRAN: Would there be one dog taken in the car more often than another?
# 355 MR. COCHRAN: Which dog would she indicate most often?
# 357 MR. COCHRAN: And the children would also be in the car on occasion?
# 359 MR. COCHRAN: Now, after you moved in in March of--thereabouts of 1993, would you have occasion to see Miss Nicole Brown Simpson or the children over at Rockingham on times after you moved in in March of 1993?
# 361 MR. COCHRAN: Would you describe for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury the circumstances by which you would see her over at the Rockingham residence.
# 362 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, she would come over in the mornings, sometimes to let the kids swim, or she would drop them off while she went running and I would watch Justin and Sydney and she would come over sometimes to pick up her mail.
# 363 MR. COCHRAN: All right. She had mail that would still come to that residence?
# 365 MR. COCHRAN: If you are aware, you had been over to the Bundy residence, had you not?
# 367 MR. COCHRAN: Did she have a pool at Bundy?
# 369 MR. COCHRAN: So the kids liked to swim?
# 371 MR. COCHRAN: And there is in fact, looking at People's 66, a pool area that we have all seen on our jury view at Rockingham; is that correct?
# 373 MR. COCHRAN: Now, would you know the time she was coming over there--
# 375 MR. COCHRAN: --to bring the kids? All right. So how would you determine she was there or find out she was there.
# 376 MS. SIMPSON: I would wake up in the morning and sometimes I would walk outside and she would be out laying--laying out and the kids would be in the pool, or I would come inside the house and she would be in the kitchen or we would be going and passing.
# 377 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And during this time frame she and your father were somewhat separated; is that correct?
# 379 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And would I be correct in assuming that when you first moved back in his girlfriend at that time was Paula Barbieri?
# 381 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, the times that you would see Miss Nicole Brown Simpson over at the Rockingham residence, did that couldn't on for a period of time after you got back in March of 1993?
# 383 MR. COCHRAN: Now, with regard to your relationship with Miss Nicole Brown Simpson, would you have occasion to ever go over to the Bundy residence?
# 385 MR. COCHRAN: Under what circumstances would you go over to Bundy, ma'am?
# 386 MS. SIMPSON: To stop by, to say hello, to talk to the kids. On occasion she would call me to baby-sit the kids in the morning so she could jog or to take them to school.
# 387 MR. COCHRAN: Were there occasions that after you moved back into Rockingham that you would baby-sit the children at Bundy?
# 389 MR. COCHRAN: Now, with regard to your dad, Mr. O.J. Simpson, if you know, were there times when he would spend the nights, which is after you came back in March of 1993, over at the Bundy location?
# 391 MS. CLARK: Objection, hearsay, speculation.
# 392 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 393 MR. COCHRAN: I'm asking if she knows.
# 394 MR. COCHRAN: How do you know that he would spend the night over there? Would you explain that for the Court and the jury.
# 395 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, he would call me to see if anybody was at the house, sometimes call me if they wanted something from the Rockingham house for me to bring over to Nicole's house.
# 396 MR. COCHRAN: And would there be occasions where you would bring things from the Rockingham house over to Bundy and he would be there?
# 398 MR. COCHRAN: And what kind of things would you bring over there?
# 399 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, like Justin's Nintendo game or a video.
# 400 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did the children have games like Nintendo and other kind of videos at Rockingham?
# 402 MR. COCHRAN: Did they also have some Nintendo and games also at Bundy?
# 404 MR. COCHRAN: Did you ever have occasion to bring any clothes over for your dad from the Rockingham residence over to Bundy?
# 406 MS. CLARK: Objection, vague as to time.
# 407 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 408 MR. COCHRAN: And we are talking, so that we are clear for the time, we are talking about primarily after you had moved back in; is that correct?
# 410 MR. COCHRAN: And do you recall specifically when the times were that you have had occasion to bring clothes over to your dad, the times he was over at Bundy, if you recall?
# 412 MR. COCHRAN: Tell us about that, please, ma'am.
# 413 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, it was during--between `93 and `94 around--during the summertime.
# 414 MR. COCHRAN: The summer of `93?
# 416 MR. COCHRAN: Did there come a time when you started to see Nicole Brown Simpson and your dad, Mr. O.J. Simpson, start to go out together again?
# 418 MR. COCHRAN: And when was that, approximately?
# 419 MS. SIMPSON: It was probably around the months of March or April of `93.
# 420 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Was this about the time when you would see her out by the swimming pool and things like that?
# 422 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. And then after he started to see Miss Nicole Brown Simpson again, if you know, did he stop seeing Paula Barbieri?
# 424 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So--
# 425 MS. CLARK: Objection, speculation, motion to strike.
# 426 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 427 MR. COCHRAN: So then once he started seeing Nicole Brown Simpson again he wasn't then seeing Paula Barbieri; is that correct?
# 429 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And with regard to the time that Miss Nicole Brown Simpson moved to the Bundy location, did you think that was near the end of `93 or the first of `94? Do you know when that was?
# 430 MS. SIMPSON: I believe it was end of `93.
# 431 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So somewhere around that range; is that correct?
# 433 MR. COCHRAN: So this time frame where you described that you would take clothes over to the Bundy location would have been in the summer of `93 and that was a time when your dad was again going out with or dating Miss Nicole Brown Simpson; is that right?
# 435 MR. COCHRAN: Now, during this time that they were seeing each other, she never moved back permanently to Rockingham, did she?
# 437 MR. COCHRAN: She never moved in the house, did she?
# 439 MR. COCHRAN: Would there be times when she would come over and spend some time at the house?
# 441 MR. COCHRAN: And describe that. Did that couldn't to happen over a period of time?
# 443 MR. COCHRAN: And did they continue to date, if you will, from the time you've talked to us about in April or May throughout `93 into `94?
# 445 MR. COCHRAN: And would you see her fairly frequently during that time frame?
# 447 MS. CLARK: Objection, leading.
# 448 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 449 MR. COCHRAN: Will you describe for us how often you would see her during this time frame after they started dating.
# 450 MS. SIMPSON: Almost everyday.
# 451 MR. COCHRAN: And just describe for us a general day if you can picture for us--we are now talking about after the time they got back together.
# 452 MS. SIMPSON: Can you rephrase that?
# 453 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Certainly I will. The question I was asking was whether or not they tended to see each other at both locations, both Rockingham and Bundy, and I was going to ask you to describe a day when you might see Miss Nicole Brown Simpson at Rockingham, first of all.
# 454 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, she would come over during the summer. At one point we had all gone to a movie, the whole family. Umm, they had thrown a couples party and she would be over to the house. Umm, or he would be over at Nicole's house and I would go over there, like I said before, and drop off clothes.
# 455 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So with regard to this time frame, are you sure of the exact dates of the time that Miss Nicole Brown Simpson moved from Gretna Green to Bundy?
# 456 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, I'm assuming end of `93, but no, I don't know the exact date.
# 457 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You know that at some point she lived at Gretna Green?
# 458 MS. SIMPSON: And then moved.
# 459 MR. COCHRAN: And at some point she moved to Bundy?
# 461 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, with regard to the late summer, in the month of August or thereabouts of each year, were you aware of how your dad was employed at that time?
# 462 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, he would start his football season.
# 463 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Was a sportscaster of some kind?
# 465 MR. COCHRAN: All right. When he started his sportscasting did something unusual happen or did he have to move on locations in August of--strike that. Would he have occasion to move his residence in the month of August or in the late summer?
# 466 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he would.
# 467 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And where would he go during this time frame, if you know, ma'am?
# 468 MS. SIMPSON: He would move to New York and then travel out of New York.
# 469 MR. COCHRAN: All right. To the best of your recollection again what month that would normally be he would move to New York?
# 470 MS. SIMPSON: It would usually be the months of August until January.
# 471 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You said he would move to New York. Did he have a residence in New York?
# 472 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, he did.
# 473 MR. COCHRAN: And what kind of place did he have in New York?
# 474 MS. SIMPSON: He had an apartment.
# 475 MR. COCHRAN: And you have been to that apartment, of course?
# 477 MR. COCHRAN: Now, you described for us that you were attending Howard University in Washington D.C.; is that correct?
# 479 MR. COCHRAN: And so would you have occasion to see your dad or visit your dad when you were in D.C. And he is up in New York--
# 481 MR. COCHRAN: --when you were back there? Would you ever go to the New York apartment?
# 482 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, often.
# 483 MR. COCHRAN: Now, during that time frame, after Miss Nicole Brown Simpson and your dad started dating again, do you recall whether or not you ever had occasion to see them together in New York at any time?
# 485 MR. COCHRAN: Can you describe that for us?
# 486 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, it was no different than the normal. It would usually be on some of the holidays, sometimes the weekend. It would be easier for me to go to New York as opposed to flying all the way to L.A. from Washington D.C., so--
# 487 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So there would be times that you would see the family there?
# 489 MR. COCHRAN: Would that include the two minor children also?
# 490 MS. SIMPSON: Justin and Sydney, yes.
# 491 MR. COCHRAN: And yourself?
# 493 MR. COCHRAN: Now, when you moved back into the house that you described for us in March of 1993, were you given any particular instructions about your role around the house there?
# 495 MR. COCHRAN: What was that?
# 496 MS. SIMPSON: That basically I had become the woman of the house and while he was gone for me just to make sure that everything was running in the household and to just watch it.
KEY QUOTE # 497 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So now as you became the woman of the house, do you recall whether or not in the month of August of 1993 did your dad go and do sportscasting or broadcasting and have occasion to go to New York during this time frame?
# 499 MR. COCHRAN: So there would be periods of time when he wasn't even here in California?
# 501 MR. COCHRAN: And were you the woman of the house?
# 502 MS. SIMPSON: Yes. That is the reason why he made me the woman of the house.
# 503 MR. COCHRAN: As the woman of the house, what kind of things would you do?
# 504 MS. SIMPSON: Just make sure everything was running, umm, as far as the gardener and people coming into the house, regulating it, watching, you know, the cars, just household things.
# 505 MR. COCHRAN: All right. There was a housekeeper?
# 506 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, there was.
# 507 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And would the housekeeper be there on weekends?
# 509 MR. COCHRAN: So on weekends you would really have to be the woman of the house then; is that right?
# 511 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you did in `93 after you moved in; is that correct?
# 513 MR. COCHRAN: And primarily he was traveling and doing his sportscasting work from August on?
# 515 MR. COCHRAN: And that would last how long?
# 516 (No audible response.) # 517 MR. COCHRAN: Say until January?
# 518 MS. SIMPSON: Oh, yeah, August until January.
# 519 MR. COCHRAN: Is there some big football game that occurs toward the end of January called the Superbowl?
# 521 MR. COCHRAN: Does that end the football season?
# 523 MR. COCHRAN: After that would he stay in New York or where would he go, if you recall?
# 524 MS. SIMPSON: He was in L.A. but he would travel quite a bit, too.
# 525 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, he would travel a lot?
# 527 MR. COCHRAN: And you were living--and so--I'm not sure we made it clear for the jury, but after he moved back in, you described for us that Mr. Simpson had built rooms for you and Jason and you described Arnelle's room back here, (Indicating)?
# 528 MS. SIMPSON: Uh-huh.
# 529 MR. COCHRAN: And I don't think I asked which room you moved into. When you moved back in, where did you move, if you recall? May she step down, your Honor.
# 531 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you.
# 532 MS. SIMPSON: (Witness complies.) I was living here, (Indicating).
# 533 MR. COCHRAN: All right. The room marked "Arnelle's room," your Honor. That is next to Kato--strike that. Next to the room marked "Kaelin's room."
# 534 THE COURT: Yes, to the right of that.
# 535 MR. COCHRAN: To the right of that. Thank you, your Honor.
# 536 MR. COCHRAN: So that is the room you moved into? So this is the room from which you would be the woman of the house; is that right?
# 538 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Now, you were describing for us that your dad would travel a lot even when there was no football season; is that correct?
# 540 MR. COCHRAN: And would you talk to him about his travel? Did he tell you when he was leaving?
# 541 MS. SIMPSON: Sometimes.
# 542 MR. COCHRAN: And do you know why he was traveling, what he was doing during this period of time?
# 543 MS. CLARK: Objection, hearsay.
# 544 THE COURT: That is vague, counsel.
# 545 MR. COCHRAN: Counsel is correct. You are correct. Let me rephrase that.
# 546 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know what kind of trips he was taking during this period of time after, say, January of 1994?
# 548 MR. COCHRAN: And what kind of trips were they? Business trips?
# 549 MS. SIMPSON: Some were business and some were pleasure.
# 550 MR. COCHRAN: All right. He would go various places?
# 552 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And he would do this on a regular basis?
# 554 MR. COCHRAN: Let's talk a little bit about your dad's traveling habits, as you knew them, and we are talking now the period after January of 1994. Let's say between the period of January and June of 1994. Have you ever been around when your dad was getting ready to leave for a trip?
# 556 MR. COCHRAN: Can you describe for us any particular things about his getting ready, his packing habits and those sorts of things?
# 557 MS. CLARK: Objection, vague, the time.
# 558 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 559 MS. SIMPSON: He would usually do everything last minute.
KEY QUOTE # 560 MR. COCHRAN: You have seen this yourself?
# 562 MR. COCHRAN: Describe that, doing things last minute.
# 563 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, well, there has always been an ongoing joke within the family that we would always say, dad, you would have to get ready and he would always say, I would be get ready before you would be. And I would always prepare an hour before and he will get dressed in the last fifteen minutes before we would have to leave. He has done this for years.
# 564 MR. COCHRAN: That is something that you have seen as you were growing up?
# 566 MR. COCHRAN: There was always going to be a race to see who was ready first, but he would start much behind you?
# 568 MR. COCHRAN: You have seen that happen over a long period of time, have you?
# 570 MR. COCHRAN: Now, I would like to shift our attention now. You described for us that when you first came back or talked to your dad about coming back you had met a lady by the name of Paula Barbieri and she was present during this conversation; is that correct?
# 572 MR. COCHRAN: Had you known her before the time you came over and talked to your dad before you moved back in?
# 574 MR. COCHRAN: And do you recall approximately when it was that you first met Miss Paula Barbieri?
# 575 MS. SIMPSON: It was in `92.
# 576 MR. COCHRAN: And under what circumstances, if you recall, did you have occasion to meet her?
# 577 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, when we would have phone conversations when I was at school and he told me he had met somebody.
# 578 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Then so you had a conversation and you came west. Did you have occasion to attend any particular event where you had occasion to formally meet Miss Barbieri?
# 580 MR. COCHRAN: And what was that occasion?
# 581 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, Paula had thrown my father a birthday party on July 9th, which was yesterday, but in `94.
# 582 MR. COCHRAN: That is his birthday, July 9th?
# 584 MR. COCHRAN: And this party was in 1992?
# 586 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And is that when you--
# 588 MR. COCHRAN: Did you meet her at that time?
# 590 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And where did this birthday party take place?
# 591 MS. SIMPSON: At our house.
# 592 MR. COCHRAN: The house? You mean the Rockingham residence?
# 594 MR. COCHRAN: That is always the house, right?
# 595 MS. SIMPSON: Yes, sorry.
# 596 MR. COCHRAN: There was a birthday party on July 9th, 1992, his birthday, when you first met her?
# 598 MR. COCHRAN: Now, did you have occasion to discuss with your dad his relationship with Paula Barbieri? And you can answer that yes or no.
# 600 MR. COCHRAN: And you talked about those kind of things?
# 602 MR. COCHRAN: And during the time since you were an adult during this time and after the time you moved back into the house, would you have occasion to discuss with your dad various subjects, serious subjects such as relationships?
# 604 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have occasion to discuss with him his relationship with Paula Barbieri?
# 606 MR. COCHRAN: At any time did you have occasion to discuss with him his relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson?
# 608 MR. COCHRAN: Now, I want to direct your attention now to the week of June 6, 1994. On that particular week do you recall whether or not your father was home the entire week or was he away during part of the time or what was the circumstances?
# 609 MS. SIMPSON: What year was this?
# 610 MR. COCHRAN: The week of June 6, 1994. Do you recall whether your father went out of town at all that week?
# 611 MS. SIMPSON: He had been coming and going, yes.
# 612 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Again, was that like a regular week for him?
# 614 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you became aware that sometime during that week he left and went out of town; is that correct?
# 616 MR. COCHRAN: Okay. Now, prior to that time, the time we are now talking about, June 6th or thereabouts, did there come a time when your dad and Nicole Brown Simpson stopped seeing each other again, if you recall?
# 618 MR. COCHRAN: Was that sometime after mother's day of 1994?
# 620 MR. COCHRAN: Around that time?
# 621 MS. SIMPSON: It was around, yeah, mother's day.
# 622 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Now, during the time--you have told us that during the time that Mr. Simpson was seeing Nicole Brown Simpson he was not seeing Paula Barbieri; is that correct?
# 624 MR. COCHRAN: And after this time when Mr. Simpson, your father, was no longer seeing Miss Nicole Brown Simpson, did you have occasion to again see Paula Barbieri?
# 626 MR. COCHRAN: Was that after they--he had broken up with Nicole Brown Simpson?
# 628 MR. COCHRAN: And again, would that be after mother's day or so in May of 1994 that you saw Paula again?
# 630 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have occasion to discuss the various things that were taking place in your father's life at that time with him at all?
# 632 MR. COCHRAN: You were somebody he would come and talk with?
# 634 MR. COCHRAN: Prior to--strike that. Back to this particular week that we were talking about, the week of June 6, 1994, you had describe for us that you became aware that your dad went out of town that particular week. Do you recall that?
# 635 MS. SIMPSON: Pardon me?
# 636 MR. COCHRAN: You described for us that your dad went out of town during the week of June 6th, 1994?
# 638 MR. COCHRAN: Prior to that, before the June 6th week, do you recall a time that after your dad and Miss Nicole Brown Simpson were no longer dating that she became sick with pneumonia?
# 640 MR. COCHRAN: Do you recall that?
# 642 MR. COCHRAN: Was that in the month of May, after they had broken up?
# 643 MS. CLARK: Your Honor, objection. It is all leading.
# 644 MR. COCHRAN: I am asking.
# 645 THE COURT: Sustained. Rephrase the question.
# 646 MR. COCHRAN: Certainly, your Honor.
# 647 MR. COCHRAN: When was that when she came down with pneumonia, if you recall, your best recollection?
# 648 MS. SIMPSON: Sometime in the month of May.
# 649 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Tell us what you observed with regard to that. Did you ever see her at the house, the Rockingham residence, during this time frame?
# 651 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Were you aware of her being at the Bundy location?
# 653 MR. COCHRAN: Were you aware of whether or not your father did anything in taking care of her?
# 654 MS. CLARK: Objection, hearsay, no foundation.
# 655 THE COURT: Overruled. Foundation sustained.
# 656 MR. COCHRAN: With regard to whether or not your father cared for Miss Nicole Brown Simpson when she had pneumonia, how do you know that? What were the circumstances?
# 657 MS. CLARK: Objection, your Honor, leading.
# 658 THE COURT: Sustained. Rephrase the question.
# 659 MR. COCHRAN: Certainly.
# 660 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have occasion to see Miss Nicole Brown Simpson during this time of time when she was sick?
# 662 MR. COCHRAN: Would you describe that for us and tell us where you saw her.
# 663 MS. SIMPSON: I saw her once at Justin's graduation and then I went over to her house one day.
# 664 MR. COCHRAN: All right. When you say went over to her house, you went to the Bundy location?
# 666 MR. COCHRAN: You became aware that she was sick?
# 668 MR. COCHRAN: What was her ailment at this time?
# 669 MS. SIMPSON: She had pneumonia.
# 670 MR. COCHRAN: And with regard to that, were you aware of whether or not your father did anything or visited her during this particular period of time?
# 672 MR. COCHRAN: Tell us what you observed in that regard?
# 673 MS. SIMPSON: He went over to her house one day to help--
# 674 MS. CLARK: Objection, no foundation.
# 675 THE COURT: Overruled.
# 676 MS. SIMPSON: He went over to the house to help her one day with the kids and to bring her some soup and medicine to see if she was okay.
# 677 MR. COCHRAN: All right. This was during the time after they had broken up while she was sick; is that correct?
# 679 MR. COCHRAN: Now, back again to this week of June 6th, on this particular week did you become aware, toward the end of the week, specifically I guess around Friday, June 10th, did you become aware of your father coming back to California?
# 681 MR. COCHRAN: Do you recall when you saw him in and around that period of time, June 10, June 11, if at all?
# 682 MS. SIMPSON: I don't believe that I saw him on that day.
# 683 MR. COCHRAN: All right.
# 684 MS. SIMPSON: Not in person.
# 685 MR. COCHRAN: All right. You were aware he was back in town, however?
# 687 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Do you recall whether or not you saw him at all on the Saturday which I think would be the 11th of June?
# 689 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And on Sunday, June 12, 1994, did you spend the previous night, the Saturday night, in your residence in your room there on People's 66 as indicated?
# 691 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And did you have occasion on that morning to get up and go someplace?
# 693 MR. COCHRAN: Where did you go at that time?
# 694 MS. SIMPSON: I went to church.
# 695 MR. COCHRAN: What church do you go to?
# 696 MS. SIMPSON: St. Martin's.
# 697 MR. COCHRAN: That is a church out near--in Brentwood there?
# 699 MR. COCHRAN: All right. After you went to church--what time did you go to church?
# 700 MS. SIMPSON: I went to church at 10:00.
# 701 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have occasion to return home after that?
# 703 MR. COCHRAN: Did you see your father at all that morning?
# 705 MR. COCHRAN: Were you able to ascertain--do you know where he was at that point?
# 707 MR. COCHRAN: Did you know he was back in town?
# 709 MR. COCHRAN: All right. How did you know that?
# 710 MS. SIMPSON: Because Gigi had told me, the housekeeper, that dad was coming in town on Friday and that he would be leaving at the end of the week.
# 711 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you had a conversation with the housekeeper?
# 713 MR. COCHRAN: Her name is Gigi?
# 715 MR. COCHRAN: Her last name is Guarin?
# 717 MR. COCHRAN: Is that Guarin, Gigi Guarin?
# 718 MS. SIMPSON: I believe so.
# 719 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So you went to church and you came back home, and after you went to church did you have occasion to go out?
# 721 MR. COCHRAN: And were you out pretty much the whole day?
# 723 MR. COCHRAN: And now, you--do you have a car?
# 725 MR. COCHRAN: A vehicle? And what kind of vehicle did you have?
# 726 MS. SIMPSON: A Saab.
# 727 MR. COCHRAN: What color is that?
# 728 MS. SIMPSON: Black.
# 729 MR. COCHRAN: What year is that?
# 731 MR. COCHRAN: When did you get that car?
# 732 MS. SIMPSON: In `93.
# 733 MR. COCHRAN: Did you have that car when you came back to the Rockingham residence or did you get it after you got there or when did you get it, if you recall?
# 734 MS. SIMPSON: Can you repeat that?
# 735 MR. COCHRAN: Certainly. Did you have that car when you moved back in with your dad in March of 1993?
# 737 MR. COCHRAN: Had that car been a graduation present for you?
# 739 MR. COCHRAN: So where was that car? Where did you traditionally park that car when you were home at the residence? Can you show us that?
# 741 MR. COCHRAN: Again with the Court's permission?
# 743 MR. COCHRAN: She is looking again at People's 66, your Honor?
# 744 MS. SIMPSON: Where this red dot is, (Indicating).
# 745 MR. COCHRAN: She is pointing toward a red dot on People's 66 and it is above the words "Driveway" on the diagram.
# 747 MR. COCHRAN: You parked your car traditionally there?
# 749 MR. COCHRAN: Can you tell us is there a place on the diagram where the Bentley was normally parked, and that is the black Bentley you talked about earlier?
# 750 MS. SIMPSON: Right here, (Indicating).
# 751 MR. COCHRAN: She has pointed to an above the word "Drive" on People's 66.
# 752 THE COURT: Yes, to the left of the red dot.
# 753 MR. COCHRAN: Is that where you parked your car, usually where the Bentley was parked?
# 754 MS. SIMPSON: Yes. We both parked our cars here, (Indicating).
# 755 MR. COCHRAN: In that kind of little inset area?
# 757 MR. COCHRAN: Both of you tried to park your cars in that location?
# 759 MR. COCHRAN: The Bentley, as I understand your testimony, would be in front; is that correct?
# 761 MR. COCHRAN: All right. So when you left the house on Sunday, June 12th, after you had come back from church, how did you leave? Did you leave in your car? How did you leave?
# 762 MS. SIMPSON: I left in my car.
# 763 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And you did not return until what time?
# 764 MS. SIMPSON: Approximately around between 12:30 and 1:00.
# 765 MR. COCHRAN: Is that A.M.?
# 767 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Had you been to a movie or something like that?
# 769 MR. COCHRAN: All right. And you returned home about 12:30 or 1:00; is that correct?
# 771 MR. COCHRAN: When you returned home, you didn't see your dad, did you?
# 773 MS. CLARK: Objection, leading.
# 774 THE COURT: It will stand.
# 775 MR. COCHRAN: Did you see your dad?
# 777 MR. COCHRAN: And were you aware of whether or not he was going to go out of town again?
# 779 MR. COCHRAN: And if you can just tell us how did you know that?
# 780 MS. SIMPSON: Prior to Gigi telling me--
# 781 MS. CLARK: Objection, hearsay.
# 782 THE COURT: Sustained.
# 783 MR. COCHRAN: All right.
# 784 THE COURT: The answer is stricken. The jury is to disregard that.
# 785 MR. COCHRAN: So you knew it only from talking to someone else, but you didn't know yourself?
# 787 MS. CLARK: Same objection.
# 788 MR. COCHRAN: I'm asking, your Honor.
# 789 THE COURT: Sustained. I mean overruled. Proceed.
# 790 MR. COCHRAN: Thank you.
# 791 MR. COCHRAN: So you returned home and was anyone at home when you returned home after 12:30 on now June 13, 1994?
# 793 MR. COCHRAN: And who was home?
# 795 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Anybody else that you are aware was there?
# 797 THE COURT: I think we know who she is talking about, but since we have two Katos here--
# 798 MS. SIMPSON: I'm sorry, Kato Kaelin.
# 799 MR. COCHRAN: Kato the human being?
# 801 MR. COCHRAN: Kato Kaelin. All right. When you returned home, where did you go at that point, if you recall?
# 802 MS. SIMPSON: To my room.
# 803 MR. COCHRAN: All right. That is Arnelle's room; is that correct?
# 805 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Then do you know about--did you at some point go to sleep?
# 807 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know what time approximately you went to bed, went to sleep?
# 808 MS. SIMPSON: It had to have been around one o'clock. Between 1:00 and 1:30.
# 809 MR. COCHRAN: When you returned home did you notice anything unusual at all about the residence?
# 811 MR. COCHRAN: Now, if you went to bed and went to sleep about 1:00, 1:30 or thereabouts, did there come a time that you were awakened on the morning hours of June 13, 1994?
# 813 MR. COCHRAN: Describe for the Court and jury the circumstances that you were awakened, ma'am, if you recall.
# 814 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, I was awakened around between 5:00 and 5:30 by two gentlemen knocking at my door.
# 815 MR. COCHRAN: And these gentlemen knocking at your door, what did they say, if you recall?
# 816 MS. SIMPSON: They just--they were knocking on my door and they said that they had been outside ringing the bell and that they needed to speak with somebody who lived at the house.
# 817 MR. COCHRAN: All right. I presume, having been in bed, you were attired in your pajamas or whatever?
# 819 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Did you get up at that point?
# 821 MR. COCHRAN: And then tell us what happened at that point.
# 822 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, they had told me that they needed to get in touch with my father and if I knew where he was.
# 823 MR. COCHRAN: All right. What did you say in response to that?
# 824 MS. SIMPSON: I said that, umm, he wasn't home but I didn't know where he was but I knew how to get in touch with him.
# 825 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Then what happened after that?
# 826 MS. SIMPSON: Umm, we left out of my room and I went to--to go to get my phone book to get in touch with somebody who would know where my dad was.
# 827 MR. COCHRAN: When you say you went to get your phone book, I presume you didn't have your phone book with you at that point?
# 828 MS. SIMPSON: No, it wasn't.
# 829 MR. COCHRAN: With the Court's permission, did you go to some location to get your phone book?
# 831 MR. COCHRAN: You were talking to two men, were you?
# 833 MR. COCHRAN: These two people, were they Los Angeles Police Department detectives?
# 835 MR. COCHRAN: Do you know their names now?
# 836 MS. SIMPSON: I believe Phillips and Lange.
# 837 MR. COCHRAN: All right. Can you describe the person you think is Lange for us?
# 838 MS. SIMPSON: Lange would be the salt and pepper, he has more hair on him, and I think Phillips is the one with the mustache and the bald head.
# 839 MR. COCHRAN: You may have them reversed. There was one with a bald head?
# 841 MR. COCHRAN: Let's call him Lange.
# 843 MR. COCHRAN: Phillips, describe him again.
# 844 MS. SIMPSON: Salt and pepper hair, older, bigger build.
# 845 MR. COCHRAN: Let's for the time being call him Phillips?