ALL RIGHT. THE JURY HAS WITHDRAWN FROM THE COURTROOM. BACK ON THE RECORD. MR. COCHRAN, YOU HAD A COMMENT YOU WANTED TO MAKE?
YES. YES, YOUR HONOR, I DO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD, YOUR HONOR, THAT TODAY, MISS CLARK --
YES. JUST IN PASSING IN THE NATURE OF THE LAST COMMENT FOR THE DAY, YOUR HONOR. MISS CLARK IS WEARING A -- SOME JEWELRY TODAY WHICH LOOKS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE JEWELRY WORN BY OR THE PIN WORN BY MISS DENISE BROWN. SHE HAD TWO OF THEM ON THE OTHER DAY. AND I THINK THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR COUNSEL TO BE WEARING THE SAME THING AS THE WITNESSES. I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE AND I CALL IT TO YOUR HONOR'S ATTENTION. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A RECORD. I THINK IT IS INAPPROPRIATE GIVEN THE FACT -- CERTAINLY MISS BROWN CAN WEAR WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO WEAR. BUT FOR COUNSEL TO COME INTO THE COURTROOM WEARING IT, I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE AND WOULD SO INDICATE.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU MADE YOUR OBJECTION WHEN WE WERE AT A SIDEBAR CONFERENCE THIS AFTERNOON WITHOUT THE COURT REPORTER, CORRECT?
SHE TAKE IT OFF AND NOT WEAR IT ANYMORE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK YOU SAID -- YOU MADE IT CLEAR NOT TO WEAR ANY BADGES OR BUTTONS OR ANYTHING OF ANY SUPPORT. HOW WOULD IT LOOK IF I CAME TO COURT AND I WORE A BIG NO. 32 AND WALKED AROUND HERE IN FRONT OF THIS JURY? I WOULDN'T DO THAT. IT'S JUST LIKE THAT. SHE'S WEARING THIS THE DAY AFTER MISS DENISE BROWN GETS ON THE STAND. AND THEY MADE SOME MOTION ABOUT SOME EARRING, THIS ANGEL, AND SHE HAD TWO ANGELS ON HER SHOULDER. I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT.
YES, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU. IT'S ABOUT MAYBE THREE-QUARTERS OF AN INCH BIG. IT'S A VERY SMALL LITTLE ANGEL.
ANGEL WITH WINGS WITH ARMS OUTSTRETCHED, TOO SMALL FOR ANY DETAIL TO BE SEEN BY THE JURY CERTAINLY. I AM REALLY SHOCKED AT COUNSEL'S DENUNCIATION OF NOTHING MORE THAN HUMAN EMOTION AND SYMPATHY. IF SYMPATHY IS SO SHOCKING TO COUNSEL, THEN I WONDER WHY HE GOES OUT AND SPEAKS OF SYMPATHY IN SUCH GLORIOUS TONES WHEN HE'S INTERVIEWED BY THE PRESS EVERY DAY ON THE STEPS OF THE COURTHOUSE. IF MR. -- OBVIOUSLY WHAT MR. COCHRAN'S THINKING IS THAT WHAT'S SAUCE FOR THE GOOSE ISN'T SAUCE FOR THE GANDER. THIS IS VERY SMALL. MR. COCHRAN WEARS PINS EVERY DAY THAT ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE TO THE JURY. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WITH ALL THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF PUBLICITY THAT HE ENGAGES IN SYMPATHETIC TO HIS CLIENT, SYMPATHETIC TO HIS WITNESSES, DENOUNCING THE PEOPLE'S CASE AND THE PEOPLE'S WITNESSES AND THE VICTIMS IN THIS INSIDIOUS WAY, I THINK IT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR HIM OF ALL PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD TO THIS COURT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING AS MINOR AS SHOWING SUPPORT FOR THE VICTIMS IN A SYMBOL-LIKE WAY THAT IS NOT PROCLAIMING LIKE WEARING THE NO. 32. IT'S A VERY SMALL SHOW OF SUPPORT THAT IS VERY TASTEFUL, VERY UNDERSTATED AND NOTHING CLEARLY AS PREJUDICIAL AS THE REMARKS HE MAKES CONSTANTLY TO THE PRESS AND THE PRESS CONFERENCES HE TRIES TO HOLD IN COURT AS WELL AS OUTSIDE OF THE COURT. I THINK THAT IF ANYONE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND MAKE THIS ARGUMENT, IT SHOULD BE ONE WITH CLEAN HANDS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON THAT SIDE OF COUNSEL TABLE. SO I WOULD STRONGLY URGE THE COURT TO DENY THIS RIDICULOUS MOTION AND REQUEST TO SUPPRESS ANY SYMPATHY OR HUMAN EMOTION THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN TO THE SIDE OF THE VICTIMS WHO AFTER ALL, ARE TWO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WERE BRUTALLY MURDERED.
ABSOLUTELY, YOUR HONOR. AND I JOIN IN SYMPATHY FOR THE VICTIMS. BUT YOUR HONOR SAID WE WERE NOT TO WEAR BUTTONS, BADGES OR WHATEVER. NEXT DAY, SHE SHOWS UP WITH IT. NOW, OUR JURY IS SEQUESTERED. ANY STATEMENTS WE ARE MAKING WHEN WE LEAVE THIS COURTROOM OUR JURORS NEVER SEE. BUT PARADING, WALKING BACK AND FORTH SHOWING CLOTHES 200 TIMES TODAY WITH THAT ANGEL --
MR. COCHRAN, THOSE KINDS OF ARGUMENTS ABOUT, "HE DID THIS AND SHE DID THAT," AND POINTING FINGERS BACK AND FORTH AND ALL THE OTHER TRANSGRESSIONS, REAL OR IMAGINARY, DON'T REALLY PERSUADE ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE ISSUE IS, THE LAPEL PIN THAT MISS CLARK HAS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IDENTIFIABLE WITH ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
MS. CLARK CONCEDES IT IS SHE SAYS AN EXPRESSION OF SUPPORT. SO ISN'T REALLY THE ISSUE THAT PIN AND NOT ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS?
YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. AS THE COURT SAID, IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY AND I APPRECIATE THE COURT'S FOCUS BACK ON THIS ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS YOUR ORDER TO ALL OF US TO COMPLY WITH, AND SHE IS VIOLATING THAT ORDER. SHE CAN ENGAGE IN ALL THE SELF-SERVING RHETORIC SHE WANTS TO. THE ISSUE IS, YOU ORDERED US NOT TO DO THAT. AND SHE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE AND I WANT HER TO BE SUPPORTIVE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE. SHE REPRESENTS ALL OF US. SO THAT'S FINE. SHE CAN DO HER JOB. SHE'S A FINE LAWYER. BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO WEAR THIS PIN BECAUSE IT'S INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU TOLD US NOT TO DO IT. THAT'S THE ISSUE PURE AND SIMPLE. SO I ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SYMPATHY TOWARDS THE VICTIMS. IT'S YOUR ORDER AND IT WAS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATELY MADE. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COURTROOM IS VERY APPROPRIATE. NOT OUTSIDE. OUR JURY CAN SEE THIS AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE SEQUESTERED.
YOUR HONOR, IF THIS WAS A BADGE OR BUTTON WITH THE PICTURES OF THE VICTIMS ON IT, I COULD UNDERSTAND COUNSEL'S CONCERN. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING BUT A SYMBOL. I'M SURE THAT THE JURORS DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT MEANS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS KNOWN WITHIN THE FAMILIES. IT MAY BE INDEED KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC NOW. BUT AS MR. COCHRAN SAID, THE JURY IS SEQUESTERED. IT IS A SYMBOLIC GESTURE, BUT NOT BEYOND BEING PALATABLE TO THE JURY. IT'S VERY SMALL. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE JURY CAN TELL IT'S AN ANGEL FROM THE DISTANCE THEY ARE AT FROM ME. AND I THINK THE COURT CAN REST ASSURED THAT THERE IS NO PREJUDICE THAT'S INURING TO THE DEFENDANT AS A RESULT OF THIS. AND I EVEN FIND COUNSEL'S CONCERN IN THIS REGARD REMARKABLE, SOME LITTLE PIN THAT THE JURY CAN BARELY SEE ME WEAR HAS GOT HIM ALL EXCITED TODAY. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, ESPECIALLY IN VIEW OF THE CONDUCT OF COUNSEL. IF THERE'S BEEN ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE CONDUCT OF COUNSEL BEFORE THIS JURY AND THE KIND OF SPEAKING OBJECTIONS WE ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING AND PRESS CONFERENCES COUNSEL IS ALWAYS TRYING TO HOLD WHEREVER HE GOES. SO I REALLY -- EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR.
AND AS MY LEARNED COCOUNSEL POINTS OUT ACCURATELY, MR. COCHRAN IS ALWAYS COMING TO COURT WEARING A CROSS, YOU KNOW. I MEAN THESE ARE ALL SYMBOLS AND GESTURES. HIS IS EVEN MORE EXPLICIT. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF PINS, LET'S ALL TAKE OFF PINS.
MY PINS ARE NOT IDENTIFIED WITH O.J. SIMPSON, YOUR HONOR. AND AGAIN, YOUR HONOR, I WOULD POINT OUT AS AN OFFICER OF THE COURT, SHE'S DOING WHAT YOU TOLD US NOT TO DO, AND WHAT SHE FAILS TO UNDERSTAND IS, SHE'S WEARING THIS IN COURT WHERE THE JURORS CAN SEE IT. AND IF YOU RECALL, SHE TRIED TO ELICIT TESTIMONY FROM MISS DENISE BROWN ABOUT THE EARRING, WEARING THE ONE EARRING WHERE WE STOPPED THAT. SHE TRIED TO ELICIT TESTIMONY WHY SHE WAS WEARING THIS JEWELRY. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO OUR CLIENT TO BRING THIS UP AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT ANY FURTHER. AND SHE MAKES THESE LONG SPEECHES, BUT THE FACT REMAINS, SHE HAS IT ON AND SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE IT ON AND WE ASK YOU TO ASK HER TO REMOVE IT.
LET ME EXPLAIN ONE THING TO THE COURT. COUNSEL IS MAKING A MISREPRESENTATION TO THE COURT. WE WERE ASKING MISS BROWN TO TESTIFY TO THE FACT THAT NICOLE WORE MIX-MATCHED EARRINGS, ONE DANGLING ONE, ONE STUD, NOT AN ANGEL AT ALL. COUNSEL GETS ALL EXCITED AND GETS WORRIED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE FACT OF THAT JEWELRY. COUNSEL STILL HAS IT WRONG. ALL WE WANTED FROM DENISE WAS TO TESTIFY THAT SHE WORE MIX-MATCHED EARRINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY FOUND, ONE DANGLING, ONE STUD, ON NICOLE. THAT'S ALL. AND COUNSEL WAS SO WORRIED ABOUT THIS JEWELRY COMING OUT BEFORE THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION MIGHT BE. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE WERE NOT GOING TO ELICIT ANY TESTIMONY ABOUT AN ANGEL, REST ASSURED OF THAT. WE WERE GOING TO ELICIT ONLY THE TESTIMONY I'VE INDICATED. AND IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO GIVEN COUNSEL'S INSISTENCE ON TRYING TO PORTRAY THIS AS A ROBBERY OR BURGLARY MURDER, AND THAT'S ALL WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
TO MY RECOLLECTION, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE MEMBER OF THE BROWN FAMILY TESTIFY THUS FAR, CORRECT?
I SEE YOU HAVE A SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH NOT IDENTICAL PIECE OF JEWELRY THAT DENISE BROWN HAD.
I DON'T RECALL IF THE GOLDMAN FAMILY WEARS THE SAME JEWELRY. I DID NOT NOTICE ANYTHING ON KIMBERLY GOLDMAN.
ALTHOUGH, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, JEWELRY IS NOT MY FORTE AS SOMEBODY WHO WEARS PLASTIC WATCHES. I MEAN THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I PAY ATTENTION TO. MISS CLARK, MY CONCERN THOUGH IS YOUR CONCESSION THAT IT IS A SHOW OF SUPPORT. AND IF EITHER FAMILY IS WEARING THESE AS SOME SYMBOL, THEN -- AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE JURY TO IDENTIFY IT AS SUCH, THEN IT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE. AND IF THE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE GOING TO FURTHER TESTIFY AND WEAR THESE THINGS IN COURT -- I AGREE WITH YOU, THEY ARE VERY SUBTLE, VERY SMALL. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR COUNSEL TO WEAR ONE OF THESE. ALL RIGHT.
THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S WEARING IT ANYMORE, YOUR HONOR. IF WE COULD ASK THE COURT TO DEFER ITS RULING UNTIL WE SEE WHAT THE FAMILY LOOKS LIKE IN THE MORNING.
COUNSEL, I'VE TOLD YOU I FEEL IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. I PLAN ON DOING ANOTHER LEXIS SEARCH ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT I THINK IN THE MORNING, I'M GOING TO REAFFIRM THE RULING.
EACH OF YOU ARE ORDERED TO RETURN TO THIS COURTHOUSE TOMORROW MORNING, 8:30 A.M. REPORT TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. DO YOU EACH UNDERSTAND THAT ORDER?
ALL NODDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. MISS BOZTEPE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET ME SEE COUNSEL WITHOUT THE REPORTER.
EVERYTHING YOU DO IS FOR THE PUBLIC, MY BROTHER.
HOW WOULD IT LOOK IF I CAME TO COURT AND I WORE A BIG NO. 32 AND WALKED AROUND HERE IN FRONT OF THIS JURY? I WOULDN'T DO THAT. IT'S JUST LIKE THAT.
IF ANYONE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND MAKE THIS ARGUMENT, IT SHOULD BE ONE WITH CLEAN HANDS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON THAT SIDE OF COUNSEL TABLE.
JEWELRY IS NOT MY FORTE AS SOMEBODY WHO WEARS PLASTIC WATCHES. I MEAN THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I PAY ATTENTION TO.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR COUNSEL TO WEAR ONE OF THESE.