ALL RIGHT. BACK ON THE RECORD IN THE SIMPSON MATTER. MR. SIMPSON IS AGAIN PRESENT WITH COUNSEL, MR. SHAPIRO, MR. COCHRAN, MR. DOUGLAS, MR. BAILEY. THE PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTED BY MISS CLARK AND MR. DARDEN. THE JURY IS NOT PRESENT. COUNSEL, ANYTHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE INVITE THE JURORS TO JOIN US?
I HADN'T SEEN IT. I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HER OPEN IT AND TAKE A LOOK. CAN WE APPROACH AND COME BACK OUT?
YOUR HONOR, THE PEOPLE HAVE -- WE HAVE TAKEN OUT THE GLASSES THAT WERE IN THE ENVELOPE THAT IS DEPICTED IN SOME OF THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WAS GIVEN TO RON GOLDMAN -- THAT WAS GIVEN TO RON GOLDMAN BY KAREN CRAWFORD ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12TH. IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU ARE UNABLE TO SEE THE GLASSES, YOU ARE UNABLE TO SEE THE HANDWRITING WHICH SHE PLACED ON THE ENVELOPE WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HER TO IDENTIFY AND THAT WILL HELP HER TO IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE ENVELOPE THAT SHE PUT THE GLASSES IN AND THAT SHE GAVE TO RON GOLDMAN THAT NIGHT AND THIS IS THE ENVELOPE THAT IS DEPICTED IN THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS. SO AS SOON AS WE GET A PLASTIC BAG IN WHICH TO ENCLOSE THESE -- THIS ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO THE WITNESS.
ALL RIGHT. MR. DARDEN, IS THERE SOMEBODY FROM YOUR LAB UPSTAIRS WHO IS BRINGING US SOME TYPE OF SEALABLE CONTAINER?
MISS CLARK, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE WE DEAL WITH THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT, ANY 352 OBJECTION TO THAT?
I DON'T -- THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT WAS RECOVERED FROM THE CRIME SCENE, YOUR HONOR, THAT WAS SAMPLED BY THE CRIMINALIST, THAT IS KEY EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF RON GOLDMAN'S DEPARTURE FROM THE RESTAURANT AND THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH HE DEPARTED. AND CLEARLY THE PURPOSE --
I UNDERSTAND THE RELEVANCE OF THE MATTER. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONDITION, SINCE IT APPEARS TO BE BLOOD-SOAKED AND DIRT-SOAKED.
IT IS INDEED, YOUR HONOR, BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE JURY TO SEE FROM THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS THE HANDWRITING OF THE WITNESS OR FOR THE WITNESS TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE ENVELOPE WITH CERTAINTY IN THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS BECAUSE THE FRONT OF IT IS NOT SHOWN IN ANY OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, NOR IS ONE ABLE TO SEE THE GLASSES ENCASED INSIDE THE ENVELOPE IN THESE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS. THERE IS SO MUCH HIDDEN BY THE CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THERE IS NO WAY THE JURY CAN GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM IT OR THAT THE WITNESS CAN ADEQUATELY IDENTIFY IT.
ALL RIGHT. WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE BAG AND ITS CONTENTS AS PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD BE PEOPLE'S 32.
THE SMALL LUNCH BAG, BROWN PAPER BAG, CONTENTS, WHICH APPEARS TO BE A WHITE ENVELOPE, BUSINESS SIZE, AND APPEARS TO BE CONTENTS OF -- CONTAINING A PAIR OF EYEGLASSES.
YES, YOUR HONOR. I WANTED TO JUST FOR THE RECORD INDICATE WE HAVE SOME CONCERN, SOME 352 CONCERNS, AS THE COURT HAS EXPRESSED, WHERE THE PROBATIVE VALUE IS OUTWEIGHED BY THE PREJUDICIAL EFFECT OF THE ITEM. IT SEEMS TO ME, HAVING DISCUSSED IT AT SIDE BAR, WHAT COUNSEL WANTS TO SHOW, THAT IF THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS IN WHICH I IMAGINE THERE ARE, OF THIS OBJECT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DEAL WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAN THE OBJECT. IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO BE HANDLED AT ANY POINT. COUNSEL HAS ON GLOVES. WE DON'T HAVE GLOVES ON. THE JURORS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE GLOVES AT SOME POINT. AND IT PRESENTS A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS, BUT QUITE SPECIFICALLY STATED, IT IS A 352 PROBLEM WHERE THE PREJUDICIAL EFFECT WILL BE OUTWEIGHED BY THE PROBATIVE VALUE. IF THERE ARE INITIALS OR WRITING ON IT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM TO STIPULATING WHAT THE WRITING SAYS. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHO MAY HAVE HANDLED THIS AND THE FACT THERE ARE GLASSES THEREIN. BUT IF IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO JUST INFLAME THE PASSIONS OF THE JURY, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE UNDER 352 AND THAT IS OUR CONCERN AND WE ASK THE COURT TO DO WHAT IS MOST REASONABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND IF THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AND SEE IF YOU CAN COMPARE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.
THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO SEE -- IF THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS RELATING TO THIS I WANT TO SEE THEM NOW AT THIS POINT. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
WE WILL BE DELIGHTED TO SHOW COUNSEL, BUT IT WILL BEAR OUT WHAT I HAVE INFORMED THE COURT OF, WHICH IS A VERY LIMITED VIEW, AND THE JURY IS ENTITLED TO SEE HOW THIS WITNESS CAN IDENTIFY THIS PARTICULAR CRIME SCENE ENVELOPE AS THE ONE THAT SHE PUT THE GLASSES INTO AND SHE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL SHE SEES HER HANDWRITING.
HOW ARE YOU ANTICIPATING PRESENTING THIS TO THE WITNESS? SHOWING IT TO HER IN A SEALED BAG? HOPEFULLY -- YOU ARE PLANNING ON USING THE ELMO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH IT?
THE ELMO WITH RESPECT TO CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS, YES, I WOULD USE THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO ENCASE THIS ITEM IN A SEALED PLASTIC ENVELOPE SO THAT ANY HEALTH CONCERNS OR DANGERS THAT MIGHT -- THAT COUNSEL HAS RAISED WILL BE RESOLVED WITH THAT. ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM COUNSEL I'M GOING TO MARK AS PEOPLE'S NEXT IN ORDER WITH THIS NEXT WITNESS, THE -- I JUST -- IT WAS JUST PLACED ON COUNSEL TABLE TODAY -- THE BILL SHOWING AN ITEMIZATION OF WHAT WAS ORDERED BY NICOLE AND HER PARTY ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 12, 1994.
NEITHER HAVE I. IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO ME AFTER THE LUNCH HOUR AFTER I WALKED INTO COURT.
YOUR HONOR, CAN THE COURT MAKE INQUIRY WHERE THAT HAS BEEN ALL THIS TIME AND WHERE THIS JUST CAME FROM THIS MORNING?
APPARENTLY THE RESTAURANT KEEPS A RECORD -- I DIDN'T KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT AND I DIDN'T KNOW SUCH A THING EXISTED, AND I GUESS THEY ARE WATCHING -- PERHAPS SOMEONE KNOWS THAT COUNSEL HAS BEEN ASKING WHAT EVERYBODY ATE FOR DINNER AND THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP OUT. IF COUNSEL WANTS TO KNOW, NOW COUNSEL HAS A RECORD.
I WONDER IF THOSE WERE WITNESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CALLED AND ARE WATCHING THE TELEVISION IN VIOLATION OF THE COURT'S ORDER.
KEY QUOTEWELL, ALL OF THE WITNESSES THAT ARE GOING TO TESTIFY FROM THE MEZZALUNA HAVE TESTIFIED, OR THE ONE WHO HAS NOT YET TESTIFIED WHO IS IN COURT, SO IT COULDN'T BE ANYONE IN VIOLATION OF THE COURT ORDER. THEY WERE ALL HERE.
THERE IS IN THE SENSE THAT THERE IS CRIMINALIST'S WRITING ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WILL PROBABLY -- DO YOU WANT ME TO TURN IT AROUND?
SURE. HOW ABOUT -- MAY I ASK THIS, YOUR HONOR, IF FOR TODAY I HAVE IT SEALED WITH THE WRITING SHOWING, SHOW THAT THE WITNESS CAN IDENTIFY IT, AND THAT WE TRANSFER IT INTO A COMPLETELY CLEAR BAG FOR SUBSEQUENT TESTIMONY, BECAUSE THIS CAN BE SEALED THIS WAY.
ALL RIGHT. MISS CLARK, ARE YOU TELLING US THAT THE -- THIS BILL FROM THE MEZZALUNA JUST SORT OF SHOWED UP THIS AFTERNOON?
YES. I HAD ASKED THAT THE ORIGINAL TIME CARDS BE FORWARDED TO ME SO COULD I SHOW THEM TO COUNSEL BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN USING XEROX COPIES AND I WANTED COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN THAT THE COPIES WERE ACCURATE AND TRUE COPIES OF THE ORIGINALS, AND ALONG WITH THAT CAME THE ITEM THAT I JUST INDICATED, AS WELL AS THIS WHITE RECEIPT, CREDIT CARD RECEIPT THAT IS SIGNED "NICOLE BROWN" FOR THE NIGHT OF JUNE THE 12TH. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THESE ITEMS HAD BEEN PRESERVED.
ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXAMINE THOSE ITEMS, AND MRS. ROBERTSON NOW HAS A NEW SUPPLY OF GLOVES IF YOU NEED THEM, ANY COUNSEL.
THERE IS -- THERE IS A CREDIT CARD RECEIPT HERE FROM AMERICAN EXPRESS FOR JUNE THE 12TH THAT IS SIGNED BY NICOLE BROWN. THE AMOUNT OF THE -- TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE CHECK WAS 179.95. THAT AMOUNT IS SHOWN ON THIS RECEIPT IN ADDITION TO A TIP THAT WAS ADDED FOR $34.00 WITH A TOTAL OF 213.95, SO THIS WAS PAID BY AMERICAN EXPRESS. AND I'M SURE THAT IF WE HAVE TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH THE NEXT WITNESS, WE CAN HAVE HER EXPLAIN.
WELL, DO COUNSEL WANT TO TALK TO THE WITNESS WHO BROUGHT THESE IN BEFORE WE CALL HER?
THE PROBLEM IS, YOUR HONOR, THIS SUDDENLY MATERIALIZES ON THEIR SIDE OF THE TABLE. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS. WE WANT TO TALK TO THE WITNESS.
THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH REGARD TO THE TIME CARD. IT HAS BEEN ALTERED AND WE WANT THE DOCUMENTS THE WAY THEY WERE IN AT THAT TIME SO WE HAVE NO EDITORIALIZING. WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE WITNESS IF WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNSEL IS TALKING ABOUT EDITORIALIZING. THE TIME CARD FOR RON GOLDMAN IS INTACT AS IT WAS WHEN HE SIGNED IT IN AND OUT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE MANAGER AT THE TIME SIGNED OFF AND WROTE "DECEASED."
ALL RIGHT. PUTTING THAT ASIDE, SINCE THERE IS NO DISPUTE TO THAT, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO TAKING A BRIEF RECESS, ALLOWING COUNSEL TO SPEAK WITH THE CUSTODIAN WHO JUST -- OF RECORDS WHO JUST BROUGHT THESE ITEMS IN?
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS PRESENT. I'M JUST INFORMED THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORD IS LISA JO BARNES. THERE WAS -- THESE ITEMS WERE GIVEN TO US AT 1:00 P.M. I FIRST SAW THEM AT 1:30 WHEN I WALKED INTO COURT, AND I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO HAVE COUNSEL SIT AND TALK TO HER. I WOULD LIKE TO AS WELL.
SHE IS NOT. SHE IS AT THE OFFICE. SHE CAN BE REACHED BY PHONE? SHE CAN BE REACHED BY PHONE.
LET'S TAKE TEN MINUTES. WHY DON'T YOU CALL HER BY PHONE AND CHAT WITH HER AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION AS TO THE AUTHENTICITY OR ANY OTHER FOUNDATION.
YOUR HONOR, THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT THE COPY I RECEIVED INDICATES THERE WERE NINE GUESTS, THE DATE IS JUNE 13 AND THE TIME IS 7:04 A.M.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT WAS REFERRED TO EARLIER BY THE WITNESSES, THAT THE TIME STAMP ON THESE -- ON THESE NCR RECORDS IS INCORRECT. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST HAD TESTIMONY ABOUT, IF COUNSEL WERE PAYING ATTENTION.
I THOUGHT THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A CHANGE BECAUSE OF DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME. USUALLY THAT IS ONE HOUR CALIFORNIA TIME.
COUNSEL, EXCUSE ME. LET'S NOT ARGUE ABOUT THAT. WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS. COUNSEL CAN CALL THIS WITNESS, EXAMINE THE RECORDS. IF THERE IS SOME -- I TAKE IT, MISS CLARK, YOU WANT TO OFFER THESE RECORDS WITH THE NEXT WITNESS?
I THINK I DO, YOUR HONOR, IF I COULD HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT IT. I'M SURE SHE COULD AUTHENTICATE AND EXPLAIN -- LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS, BECAUSE SHE WORKS THERE AND IS FAMILIAR WITH THE WORKINGS OF THOSE MACHINES.
I SURE WOULD. I APPRECIATE THAT. PERHAPS MR. SHAPIRO CAN TAKE THIS TIME TO REVIEW THE RECORD AND SEE WHAT THE WITNESS HAS TESTIFIED TO.
IF IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO JUST INFLAME THE PASSIONS OF THE JURY, IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE UNDER 352 AND THAT IS OUR CONCERN.
I GUESS THEY ARE WATCHING -- PERHAPS SOMEONE KNOWS THAT COUNSEL HAS BEEN ASKING WHAT EVERYBODY ATE FOR DINNER AND THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP OUT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE MANAGER AT THE TIME SIGNED OFF AND WROTE 'DECEASED.'
I WONDER IF THOSE WERE WITNESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CALLED AND ARE WATCHING THE TELEVISION IN VIOLATION OF THE COURT'S ORDER.